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Hotoke
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 06:51 PM)
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Oh good grief... you're trying to tell us that the simple fact people in this world will mock something they don't agree with, whether it's religion, science, or debate is "prophecy...".





No, it's because their hearts have been hardened and their light (candle) put out. At that point in your life, you are not made to or allowed to see the truth.
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o please. science is as simple as 1+1=2. what cant you understand about that. Facts ar facts
Hotoke
[quote=squweekie,Dec 22 2004, 06:54 PM]
Yay, your ficticious god forgives my sins. I can finally sleep at night.
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YES, YOU CAN SLEEP TONIGHT, BUT NOT IN "THE NIGHT" DELIVERED BY THE LESSER LIGHT.
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WITHOUT LIGHT THERE IS NO DARKNESS. light is electromagnetic radiation. how is that going to save you?
Stellar
Now, moving on from possible mistranslations, what do you make of stories from 1 person being different than stories from another person? Such as what is question about Angels, and the Genesis accounts and such?

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the skeptics here have failed miserably to do thier homework.


Prove it. You take a few and try to debunk them and then say "Well, because a few of them are just mistranslations, all of them are."

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BASICALLY, YOUR WORDS, AND NOT ALWAYS THOSE OF THE SKEPTICS, WERE ALREADY PREDESTINED TO BE.


Yes cuz we all know that its insanely hard to predict whether people will believe a religion or not. :rolleyes;

Hey guys, I've got a purple elephant on my lawn! God tells me most of you wont believe me!

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You actually expedited the end times that you continue to make fun of.


But we dont believe the end times is going to happen!

Oh btw, in the Koran, the end times are supposed to happen when everyone is muslim. Hmm, people are becoming muslim at a great pace, Islam is going to overrun christianity as it continues. OOOH, That there is proof that Islam is Right! rolleyes.gif

squweekie
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Dec 22 2004, 09:01 AM)


WITHOUT LIGHT THERE IS NO DARKNESS. light is electromagnetic radiation. how is that going to save you?
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Hotoke, The "Lesser Light" is the metaphor in the Bible that depicts the moon. Now, what do think could possibly be sitting on the moon right now preparing for something as we speak. I'll give you a clue. Gargoyles sitting atop the churches of old protecting them. Open up your mind a little further. Could you possibly, for the moment, believe that some of us might know somethings?
squweekie
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Dec 22 2004, 08:58 AM)
their strategy is working. we are going off-topic but seriously instead of rabbling how i am going to hell how about them bible contradictions? how about saying something about them > o wait you cant it is all true. research owned the bible

on a side note there is more proof for reincarnation then heaven and hell if  those past life experiences are true then i am converting to buddishm
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NOT HARDLY OFF TOPIC. SKEPTICISM IN UFO'S AND RELIGION GO HAND IN HAND IN TIMES SUCH AS THESE. READ A BIBLE A LITTLE CLOSER.
Mad Manfred
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all i gota say you 2 are gona get it big time ive said this already jesus did not write the bible do you understand this you are not safe at all


So...why is he taking his sweet time? Waiting for the right moment?
blazer2004
i dont have to tell no 1 who wrote it it is not my problem if you end up in hell
squweekie
[quote=Stellar,Dec 22 2004, 09:05 AM]


But we dont believe the end times is going to happen!

AND YOU NEVER WILL UNTIL THAT TIME HAS COME. YOUR LIGHT (CANDLE) WAS PUT OUT BECAUSE OF THE MOCKING, NOT THE SKEPTICISM.

AT THAT POINT, ONLY THE FOLLOWING PERTAINS.

At that point in your life, you are not made to or allowed to see the truth.
Hotoke
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 07:27 PM)
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Dec 22 2004, 08:58 AM)
their strategy is working. we are going off-topic but seriously instead of rabbling how i am going to hell how about them bible contradictions? how about saying something about them > o wait you cant it is all true. research owned the bible

on a side note there is more proof for reincarnation then heaven and hell if  those past life experiences are true then i am converting to buddishm
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NOT HARDLY OFF TOPIC. SKEPTICISM IN UFO'S AND RELIGION GO HAND IN HAND IN TIMES SUCH AS THESE. READ A BIBLE A LITTLE CLOSER.
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i know what you are talking about. nephilim or whatever nonsens you mean. all because of sitchin's theory. let me ask you something does planet x ring a bell if it does i know what that means

blazer2004
planet x is real i hate to say sorry stellar i just had to say that more i read the more i want to belive
Richdog
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 06:26 PM)
Hotoke,  The "Lesser Light" is the metaphor in the Bible that depicts the moon.  Now, what do think could possibly be sitting on the moon right now preparing for something as we speak.  I'll give you a clue.  Gargoyles sitting atop the churches of old protecting them.  Open up your mind a little further.  Could you possibly, for the moment, believe that some of us might know somethings?
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Well if you know something why don't you just share it and help us understand what you're talking about? Is it some big secret that only a certain few are allowed to know, and you happen to be one of the chosen?
Hotoke
QUOTE(blazer2004 @ Dec 22 2004, 07:35 PM)
planet x is real i hate to say sorry stellar i just had to say that more i read the more i want to belive
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aaaaaaaaaah i was waiting for that

http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/Planet-X.htm


visit that. planet x is fake is fake is fake


probably useless because sheeple do not listen to facts they listen to other people
Hotoke
QUOTE(Richdog @ Dec 22 2004, 07:35 PM)
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 06:26 PM)
Hotoke,  The "Lesser Light" is the metaphor in the Bible that depicts the moon.  Now, what do think could possibly be sitting on the moon right now preparing for something as we speak.  I'll give you a clue.  Gargoyles sitting atop the churches of old protecting them.   Open up your mind a little further.  Could you possibly, for the moment, believe that some of us might know somethings?
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Well if you know something why don't you just share it and help us understand what you're talking about? Is it some big secret that only a certain few are allowed to know, and you happen to be one of the chosen?
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the moon is full of demon's neil armstrong was eaten by one of them and replaced with a clone
Stellar
So let me see... Major contradictions, not something minor such as test/tempt mistranslations, and not something as minor as the difference between 40000 stables and 4000 stables.

1. Genesis accounts.
Genesis 1 places Mankinds creation after the animals. In Genesis 2, god clearly states "It is not good that the man should be alone" and he then created animals. Someone mind showing me how its such a huge mistralsation there and the original Hebrew version doesnt have that error? And then would you mind explaining to me... if there is an error, why has it not been corrected in all these new versions of the bible?

2. Your god is a god of war and peace?

3. If you want, we can deal about the several/pair difference in the flood tales, but Ill understand if you dont.

4. Explain to me why once god wants to kill children for the sins of the father, and then comes back and says that no one will be killed for the sins of the father.

5. 3 different accounts of Jesus' last words.

6. Can god be seen, or cant he?

7. Judas, how did he die, exactly?

8. Did anyone ascend to heaven?

9. How many men and angels were at the tomb of Jesus?

10. Why are you still waiting, so many years later, for all the prophecies to be confirmed and the end times to arrive? Jesus said that it would happen within the lifetime of his generation...

11. What did they give him to drink?

12. How many women went to Jesus' tomb?

Meh, theres more but I dont feel like continuing. Now, its funny... the people translating the bible, it seems, sure should learn Hebrew first! All of these contradictions MUST be mistranslations right? And even after people have found them to be mistranslations, they continue to write the bible the wrong way? rolleyes.gif

Oh, wait, one more, my fav one:

12. What shape is the Earth?
Stellar
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Hotoke, The "Lesser Light" is the metaphor in the Bible that depicts the moon.


The moon is not a light, its more like a mirror.

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i dont have to tell no 1 who wrote it it is not my problem if you end up in hell


So shut up with the one liners then! We dont WANT to hear you.

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AND YOU NEVER WILL UNTIL THAT TIME HAS COME.


And that time will never come.

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At that point in your life, you are not made to or allowed to see the truth.


Well gee, god must have made another mistake, because I do believe I am seeing the truth!

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planet x is real i hate to say sorry stellar i just had to say that ore i read the more i want to belive


Wanting to believe it doesnt make it true. Theres not one bit of evidence of a planet x existing.




NOW, how did we get to planet X and about me and others going to hell... This is supposed to be about Biblical contradictions...

squweekie
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Dec 22 2004, 09:31 AM)


So...why is he taking his sweet time? Waiting for the right moment?
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Preparation. Patience and enduring are the two words we live by as we were taught to do so because they already knew back then that we would recognize the times when they were getting ready to start and we were expected to get anxious in those times because of the timeframe of preparation.

I know you next statement will be something that sounds like " yeah, just like many times before when they said it was the end times". Save it. These times are technological, which was a requirement for the delivery of said.
Mad Manfred
QUOTE(blazer2004 @ Dec 23 2004, 04:32 AM)
i dont have to tell no 1 who wrote it it is not my problem if you end up in hell
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Whats the saying? Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven? thumbsup.gif

I'd rather suffer eternal pain and damnation than be assimilated into an egotistical, mass murdering, childish deity.
Richdog
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 06:44 PM)
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Dec 22 2004, 09:31 AM)


So...why is he taking his sweet time? Waiting for the right moment?
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Preparation. Patience and enduring are the two words we live by as we were taught to do so because they already knew back then that we would recognize the times when they were getting ready to start and we were expected to get anxious in those times because of the timeframe of preparation.

I know you next statement will be something that sounds like " yeah, just like many times before when they said it was the end times". Save it. These times are technological, which was a requirement for the delivery of said.
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Again I ask... tell us more of what you know, specifics...
squweekie
[quote=Hotoke,Dec 22 2004, 09:34 AM]


[QUOTE]i know what you are talking about. nephilim or whatever nonsens you mean. all because of sitchin's theory. let me ask you something does planet x ring a bell if it does i know what that means[/QUOTE]

Nope Hotoke, close but no cigar.
Hotoke
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Dec 22 2004, 09:31 AM)


So...why is he taking his sweet time? Waiting for the right moment?
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Preparation. Patience and enduring are the two words we live by as we were taught to do so because they already knew back then that we would recognize the times when they were getting ready to start and we were expected to get anxious in those times because of the timeframe of preparation.

I know you next statement will be something that sounds like " yeah, just like many times before when they said it was the end times". Save it. These times are technological, which was a requirement for the delivery of said.
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amazing just amazing. the bible is false fake not real. enough proof given for that.
besides the hindu civilisation and the egyptians had airplanes and nukes whistling2.gif
Stellar
Aww christ, I'm not editing my posts no more. I edit my post so I dont double post... and then 1/2 a page passes me by!

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Preparation. Patience and enduring are the two words we live by as we were taught to do so because they already knew back then that we would recognize the times when they were getting ready to start and we were expected to get anxious in those times because of the timeframe of preparation.


yes, well, the generation which Jesus said would experience those times is already long dead...

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These times are technological, which was a requirement for the delivery of said.


Why so? Because you want to believe that the end times are near?



NOW PEOPLE GET BACK TO THE CONTRADICTIONS
squweekie
[quote=Hotoke,Dec 22 2004, 09:40 AM]


[QUOTE]Well if you know something why don't you just share it and help us understand what you're talking about? Is it some big secret that only a certain few are allowed to know, and you happen to be one of the chosen?[/QUOTE]

Actually Hotoke, the verse goes, many will be called but few are chosen.
Hotoke
[quote=squweekie,Dec 22 2004, 07:48 PM]
[quote=Hotoke,Dec 22 2004, 09:40 AM]


[QUOTE]Well if you know something why don't you just share it and help us understand what you're talking about? Is it some big secret that only a certain few are allowed to know, and you happen to be one of the chosen?[/QUOTE]

Actually Hotoke, the verse goes, many will be called but few are chosen.
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all of that is based on a book that has been debunked here. none of you christians has discussed the bible contradictions. none of you can or can you?
Richdog
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 06:48 PM)
Well if you know something why don't you just share it and help us understand what you're talking about?  Is it some big secret that only a certain few are allowed to know, and you happen to be one of the chosen?

Actually Hotoke, the verse goes, many will be called but few are chosen.

No, that was me who asked that. Now my next question, why would you be chosen over anyone else?
Mad Manfred
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NOW PEOPLE [b]GET BACK TO THE CONTRADICTIONS


Good idea. Amazing how they can change the subject so suddenly...
Hotoke
QUOTE(Stellar @ Dec 19 2004, 05:50 PM)
Well, I decided to make a thread devoted to biblical contradictions...


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PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.


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EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.


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GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


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GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.


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KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.


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ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


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ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.


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LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.


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PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.


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ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;




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Genesis 1:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Genesis 2:
Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)


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#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days".
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)


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#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple.


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Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."


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Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


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II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;


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II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah.
I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Israel.


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Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)
God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)


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"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (Ps. 145:9)
"God is love." (1 John 4:16)


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"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (Gen 22:1)
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (James 1:13)


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How did Judas die?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (Matt. 27:5)
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (Acts 1:18)


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"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)
"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (John 3:13)


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Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denail:
Before the c*** crow - Matthew 26:34
Before the c*** crow twice - Mark 14:30


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SA1 31:4 Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.
SA1 31:5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise upon his sword, and died with him.
SA1 31:6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all his men, that same day together.
SA2 1:15 And David called one of the young men, and said, Go near, and fall upon him. And he smote him that he died.


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MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.



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GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.


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KI2 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.


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ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.


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MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
(default is against)
MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
(default is for)

LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
(default is for)


Hmm... He that is not with me is against me... where have I heard something like that before? Could it be from some people who dont like what Bush said about other countries' involvement in the war on terror? Damn, I'll have to point this out next time laugh.gif

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MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.



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MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

1 thessalonians 4:15-18


So, erm, when is the second comming?

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What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
scarlet - Matthew 27:28
purple John 19:2


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When did Baasha die?
26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chron 16:1



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How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chron 22:2


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What did they give him to drink?
vinegar - Matthew 27:34
wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23


http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim...tml#good_to_all

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ON THE POWER OF GOD
"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19


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ON DEALING WITH PERSONAL INJURY
"...thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. " -- Exodus 21:23-25

"...ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." -- Matthew 5:39 


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ON INCEST
"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god's reaction to Abraham, who married his sister -- his father's daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife...I bless her, and give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16


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ON TRUSTING GOD
"A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD..." -- Proverbs 12:2

Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: "Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause." -- Job 2:3 



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ON FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS
"Honor thy father and thy mother..."-- Exodus 20:12

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. " -- Luke 14:26


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ON RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD
"...he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. " -- Job 7:9

"...the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth...." -- John 5:28-29 


http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html

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1. How many women went to Jesus' tomb?

One - John 20:1-18         
Two - Mt 28:1-8
Three - Mk 16:1-8
Many - Lu 23:55-24:10


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Did Mary Magdalene tell any men about the tomb?
Yes:
Mt 28:8; Lu 24:9-10
No:
John 20:2 Mk 16:8


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Did she go back to the tomb with any of them?
Yes:
John 20:2-11 Mt 28:1-10,16
No:
Mk 16:8-14; Lu 24:9-12


Aww jeez theres another few hundred of these, I'll end it here for now.
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now people discuss
laveticus666
hey just like to say good job stellar u have alot in there.
squweekie
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Dec 22 2004, 09:53 AM)
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NOW PEOPLE [b]GET BACK TO THE CONTRADICTIONS


Good idea. Amazing how they can change the subject so suddenly...
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We do not have to research contradictions in the Bible. The Bible defends itself. Furthermore, we are doing what you do when you come in with your religous skepticism. We are being skeptics of your work, that's all. And Richdog or whatever you are called, damned if I know and somebody else can have it if they want.
FreyKade

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Genesis 1:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Genesis 2:
Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)


they cant get the beginning right. they have 2 versions of creation...how can they expect to explain this.....simple...they cant.
Richdog
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 07:09 PM)
We do not have to research contradictions in the Bible.  The Bible defends itself.


Oh my oh my that just sums it all up, truly atonishing... wacko.gif
Stellar
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We do not have to research contradictions in the Bible. The Bible defends itself.


How? Plus, if you're not going to "explain" the contradictions like others on this forum have said they would, why dont you just stop bringing us off topic?

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Furthermore, we are doing what you do when you come in with your religous skepticism. We are being skeptics of your work, that's all. And Richdog or whatever you are called, damned if I know and somebody else can have it if they want.


Youre being skeptics? You're not anything of the sort. You're here bringing us off topic. Please, stay on topic.
Richdog
Ladies and gents I think it is safe to say that squweekie and the rest of the religious nuts haven't got an argument against these contradictions and will never have one. That is the nature of faith, you don't need proof, simply because you believe. Therefore it is useless to continue the debate with him a we are not dealing with a rational person. Blind faith is not rational or logical by nature, and we're just working ourselves up over nothing. He does not want to look at the contradicitons as it conflicts with his entire belief system, the foundations by which his life is run. To question that would be to question himself and his entire life. He can't provide the goods... lets just leave him/them to it.
Stellar
Im still waiting for Insight to "explain" them to me.
Hotoke
they should sticky this topic
Mad Manfred
QUOTE(Richdog @ Dec 23 2004, 05:22 AM)
Ladies and gents I think it is safe to say that squweekie and the rest of the religious nuts haven't got an argument against these contradictions and will never have one.  That is the nature of faith, you don't need proof, simply because you believe.  Therefore it is useless to continue the debate with him a we are not dealing with a rational person.  Blind faith is not rational or logical by nature, and we're just working ourselves up over nothing.  He does not want to look at the contradicitons as it conflicts with his entire belief system, the foundations by which his life is run.  To question that would be to question himself and his entire life.  He can't provide the goods... lets just leave him/them to it.
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Nicely said thumbsup.gif couldn't agree more.
Richdog
QUOTE(Stellar @ Dec 22 2004, 07:23 PM)
Im still waiting for Insight to "explain" them to me.
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I truly believe Insight is delusional and extremely paranoid.
Stellar
QUOTE(Richdog @ Dec 22 2004, 06:31 PM)
QUOTE(Stellar @ Dec 22 2004, 07:23 PM)
Im still waiting for Insight to "explain" them to me.
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I truly believe Insight is delusional and extremely paranoid.
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Well, he did say he would explain the contradictions presented to him, so I'm waiting.
JennRose
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 01:26 PM)
Hotoke,  The "Lesser Light" is the metaphor in the Bible that depicts the moon.  Now, what do think could possibly be sitting on the moon right now preparing for something as we speak.  I'll give you a clue.  Gargoyles sitting atop the churches of old protecting them.  Open up your mind a little further.  Could you possibly, for the moment, believe that some of us might know somethings?
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I'm sorry, what about gargoyles and things on the moon? huh.gif Please clarify that as I have no clue what you mean.
FreyKade
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QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 22 2004, 01:26 PM)
Hotoke,  The "Lesser Light" is the metaphor in the Bible that depicts the moon.  Now, what do think could possibly be sitting on the moon right now preparing for something as we speak.  I'll give you a clue.  Gargoyles sitting atop the churches of old protecting them.  Open up your mind a little further.  Could you possibly, for the moment, believe that some of us might know somethings?






does this explain ANy of the contradictions of the bible????
Richdog
QUOTE(Richdog @ Dec 22 2004, 07:22 PM)
Ladies and gents I think it is safe to say that squweekie and the rest of the religious nuts haven't got an argument against these contradictions and will never have one.  That is the nature of faith, you don't need proof, simply because you believe.  Therefore it is useless to continue the debate with him a we are not dealing with a rational person.  Blind faith is not rational or logical by nature, and we're just working ourselves up over nothing.  He does not want to look at the contradicitons as it conflicts with his entire belief system, the foundations by which his life is run.  To question that would be to question himself and his entire life.  He can't provide the goods... lets just leave him/them to it.
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Re-read this for a clearer explanation of the contradictions in the bible... original.gif
Something Like Laughter
im working on some of the contradictions, now. give me a few minutes.
Celumnaz
thanks mr. spock

I still don't see the 'gotcha' some seem so smug about, and whoever this is supposed to be arguing with doesn't seem to be responding...

none of these 'contradictions' mean a thing to me or my belief, sure doesn't threaten me, not the 'data' at least... the attitude maybe, but not this alleged 'research'... but then I suppose I'm not a 'typical' christian either.

not my fault things get transposed, or people interpret things to make themselves feel better... doesn't affect my beliefs one bit.

I know a lady that thinks it's blasphemous to put anything on top of the bible, a peice of paper even. See, I can take that a few ways...
In her case, it's religion. She was told that was the case, and so she holds the bible as an idol... it's almost more important than God to her.
Now, in another case for someone else, it could be out of respect. Someone probably truely respected the message and didn't put things on the book out of respect for the message. That gets misinterpreted as "thou shalt not put a pencil on the good book"
It's quite obvious, just looking at the different wording in the different versions of the current bible that not every letter and every mark remains unchanged...

We talking about the originals? Who's read em? Is this a hypothetical then? The "originals" are copies too. But! The message, wether oral or written remains the same message... unless someone's ego gets involved like Koresh or Jim Jones... their fault for making that choice, not mine or anyone elses.

But if this was to draw out a particular member defending the infalliblity of humans copying text... just PM em. Started responding quote by quote yesterday and people kept interrupting me here at work, was frustrating cause then people think they actually made a point, and congratulate themselves and each other when really... I'm laughing at the responses just as hard as I'm guessing they're lauging at mine. Wish I could win the lottery and spend more time on these cause man this forum is fun, so many opinions it's sweeeeet... There is no spoon.
Stellar
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I still don't see the 'gotcha' some seem so smug about, and whoever this is supposed to be arguing with doesn't seem to be responding...


Some people said that the bible has no contradictions in it. Some went as far as saying (in the past) that theres no errors in it, even after the numerous translations. I posted them, hence the 'gotcha'

I even went on to show which of them I have a hard time believing is even due to translation error and such.

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not my fault things get transposed, or people interpret things to make themselves feel better... doesn't affect my beliefs one bit.


If there are errors in the original, that doesnt make you think "Well, this doesnt seem like the word of god, this seems to be more like the word of man?"

I know that if I read a history book which claimed that the US captured hitler in WW2 and took him to court for war crimes, I'd begin to question what else could be wrong in the book...
Something Like Laughter
quick and dirty, but it works.
1. Genesis accounts
it would be grammatically correct in the hebrew manuscripts to make Gen 2:19 read "And out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field." the NIV and Martin Luther's translation (im pretty sure of this, unless my german grammar is off) of the OT does this. that would put the creation of animals before man.
2. Your god is a god of war and peace?
a man can be at one time a man of war, and later a man of peace or vice versa.
3. If you want, we can deal about the several/pair difference in the flood tales, but Ill understand if you dont.
'by sevens' and 'by twos' refers to how many of each animal to takes. 'two by two' refers to how they entered the ark, in pairs.
4. Explain to me why once god wants to kill children for the sins of the father, and then comes back and says that no one will be killed for the sins of the father.
The isaiah reference is a song of vengence that in context was predicted to be sung by the Isrealites upon the overthrow of the babylonian empire by the persians. it does not express doctrine.
the dueteronomy reference is there to prevent laws saying something like, 'you killed my servant, your son must die' that were very common in the ANE.
5. 3 different accounts of Jesus' last words.
Complementry not contradictory. Same story from different points of view. one may have been right next to jesus and could hear every word. another may have been in the back of the crowd and could only hear things that were shouted.
6. Can god be seen, or cant he?
God's face cannot been seen in its full glory. God can be seen in a lesser form like Jesus or some other theophany.
7. Judas, how did he die, exactly?
Simplest answer, he hung himself near passover and no one took him down. he hung there decomposing for a few days until the branch or rope broke and he fell, hit the ground, and exploded.
8. Did anyone ascend to heaven?
OT hebrew word for heaven refers only to the sky. The NT word can refer to both the sky and the realm of God.
9. How many men and angels were at the tomb of Jesus?
This could fall under Rihbany's ma besay-il, it does not matter. but lets assume it does.
The women could have gone to the tomb in two groups. The first saw one angel, the second saw two angels.
10. Why are you still waiting, so many years later, for all the prophecies to be confirmed and the end times to arrive? Jesus said that it would happen within the lifetime of his generation...
the generation refered to is not the deciples generation, but rather the generation that sees these signs beginning.
ill finish later
Bizeebutt
I kinda think of the bible as a sort of Soap Opera... what people read for entertainment before TV... but its like a series where the writers got fired and new ones hired mid season, and they neglected to read the manuscripts of previous writers to make sure their stuff didn't conflict... its a FABulous Drama, played out with THOUSANDS of characters, and GREAT stories are told, but thats all it is... an incredible Drama. Like I said before... I'll take Starwars... or Lord of the rings... or Harry potter any day:)
JennRose
I appreciate Somethinglikelaughter's honest answering of the proposed contradictions. Thank you. original.gif It's one of the few direct answers from Bible advocates I've gotten on these boards.

Richdog
QUOTE(JennRose @ Dec 22 2004, 10:17 PM)
I appreciate Somethinglikelaughter's honest answering of the proposed contradictions.  Thank you. original.gif It's one of the few direct answers from Bible advocates I've gotten on these boards.
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I agree, kudos for that, it's something I respect. thumbsup.gif
Stellar
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1. Genesis accounts
it would be grammatically correct in the hebrew manuscripts to make Gen 2:19 read "And out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field." the NIV and Martin Luther's translation (im pretty sure of this, unless my german grammar is off) of the OT does this. that would put the creation of animals before man.


That doesnt answer the contradiction. Not only is that the way its written in the version quoted, but it doesnt change a thing. Gen 2:18 states: The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

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2. Your god is a god of war and peace?
a man can be at one time a man of war, and later a man of peace or vice versa.


Then your god is inconsistent. He is not a god of war nor of peace, he is simply a god who utilises war and peace. Plus, it just shows that your god is not all loving and peaceful, since he utilises war.

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3. If you want, we can deal about the several/pair difference in the flood tales, but Ill understand if you dont.
'by sevens' and 'by twos' refers to how many of each animal to takes. 'two by two' refers to how they entered the ark, in pairs.


Ok. It can be taken that way.

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4. Explain to me why once god wants to kill children for the sins of the father, and then comes back and says that no one will be killed for the sins of the father.
The isaiah reference is a song of vengence that in context was predicted to be sung by the Isrealites upon the overthrow of the babylonian empire by the persians. it does not express doctrine.
the dueteronomy reference is there to prevent laws saying something like, 'you killed my servant, your son must die' that were very common in the ANE.


Where does it say that the Isaiah's reference is a song? Nevertheless, people argue that the bible is gods word, and the song justifies the deaths of the children.

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5. 3 different accounts of Jesus' last words.
Complementry not contradictory. Same story from different points of view. one may have been right next to jesus and could hear every word. another may have been in the back of the crowd and could only hear things that were shouted.


They cant all be his last words unless at least 2 of them were heard wrong. Notice that he died right after those words. Are you saying that 2 of them at least (maybe all of them) were heard wrong?

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6. Can god be seen, or cant he?
God's face cannot been seen in its full glory. God can be seen in a lesser form like Jesus or some other theophany.


No no no, you're not gonna make excuses. It says god can not be seen. It also says god has not been seen in John 1:18, yet Moses claims to have seen god.

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7. Judas, how did he die, exactly?
Simplest answer, he hung himself near passover and no one took him down. he hung there decomposing for a few days until the branch or rope broke and he fell, hit the ground, and exploded.


Lmfao. Such are the lengths one needs to go to in order to explain the contradictions, huh? Please.

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8. Did anyone ascend to heaven?
OT hebrew word for heaven refers only to the sky. The NT word can refer to both the sky and the realm of God.


So what would be the point of saying "And he ascended to the sky" and why is the term not corrected in the new versions of the bible?

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9. How many men and angels were at the tomb of Jesus?
This could fall under Rihbany's ma besay-il, it does not matter. but lets assume it does.
The women could have gone to the tomb in two groups. The first saw one angel, the second saw two angels.


So your only explenation is that they went there multiple times? So, they went there multiple times, at dawn, and on the same day? Yet, they still managed to be suprised each time that the body wasnt there, and the women still got shocked twice?

At this point, you're thinking of "out there" excuses which really dont make any sense.

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10. Why are you still waiting, so many years later, for all the prophecies to be confirmed and the end times to arrive? Jesus said that it would happen within the lifetime of his generation...
the generation refered to is not the deciples generation, but rather the generation that sees these signs beginning.


No, I dont think so... it is clearly stating "this" and "this generation will not pass before"...
FreyKade
good job Something Like Laughter, for trying to explain these contradictions. its funny and also a shame that, those who seemed like hardcore bible fans (insight, ashley) they didnt even try.

Insight
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