If there is one thing I have learned, it is that those who "claim" the bible contradicts itself, 1. Have not read the entire bible and thus have no clue as to how to read the so called contradiction "in context". 2. Have no desire to understand the true context of the bible and only want to show the bible is wrong.
Pointing out how the contradictions are not contradictions is an excercise in futility. They are simply not interested in knowing the answers.

One would think, given the importance of such an event, that the primary witnesses would at least have been able to agree on the last words of their rabbi.

But what do I know. I'm sure that there is an intelligent, rational answer to the fact that there is such a set of diverse 'last words'.

chill out I said with respect! There is no need to get upset.

They are verses from his disciples that were following him. Their job so to speak was to tell about his life and what he did was it not?

Then that was just a personal opinion. That is what this forum is for correct?

I'm not upset dude.



It was (although Luke was an historian, not a disciple). I've responded to this more directly in the next post down, k.



Correct

Let's see here. Luke was an historian. He wasn't at the event. He received his information from first hand sources....

John states specifically what is said.......

Matthew makes mention of a loud cry - which does not negate the possibility that this loud cry involved actual words. Matthew just doesn't elaborate.....

Mark takes a similar stance to Matthew.......

See where I'm headed with this? I hope so.....

All the best,

What is it you are trying to prove here?

LOL
Very good...


LBD

Then it is possible that what Luke says happened did not happen the way he said it did.

OK then. Is there any thing else that Luke said happened that might have happened different or not at all? (Sarcasm not intended)

(Trying to be nice )
How many other times at an important time have they not elaborated on what they saw?

I do have a question for you...Was any or all of his disciples at the crucifixion?

Of course it's possible. We have the other gospel accounts to verify the matter though.



Is there a fundamentally different point your making here to the first one?



Seriously, step back a little and look at this statement objectively.

Have you done that? Good. Now, whether Jesus said "it is done", or said "I want some pea soup" is irrelevant. I mean, his final words, as interesting as they may be, are just not that important.



All we have are the accounts in the gospels. I'm too tired to look up specifics, but I do not believe it mentions such. Suffice it to say, it does not say "and the disciples were definitely not there"

Until next time,

I really do tire of repeating myself... I told you I answered these for myself. A few I looked at for reference for terminology and scriptural help to lead to an explanation that could be understood.

No, you just don't understand my answers.

Um... no.

Twisting words? No. Its called "reading words," and "understanding words".


Come back when you have reading comprehension skills.




Hmm....did you NOT see me say "putting mythology aside?" Guess not....

I have laughed enough at your posts already.


Please, tell me you are kidding here.

If you ask me a question about GOD or the BIBLE, then what else am I suppose to use?

Come on, use your head.


These are my BELIEFS. These things are what I THINK. I NEVER said I could prove it.


You must have read nothing......


How many times must I tell you these were MY answers? Kind of funny, I post a better explaination of the answer and all you do is complain more. The answers to these questions are much like math problems, they all will have the same answer by several people. Sure, some of my answers were not the same as others, but they were mine indeed.

So don't tell me I didnt give you a "true answer". What a weak cop out by saying "give me true answers without reading into things". Give me a break. The answer is right there, you have to read it. If you don't read it then you won't know it. You obviously never liked my answers (regardless of what they were) so I gave you someone else's, with a different approach, a different explaination, and STILL you come up with these remarks.

The problem with you is that NO answer would ever be good enough.

It's really sad that this is your main argument on "biblical contradictions". You must have brought this up over twenty times now. I have given you an answer (and others as well) and you still beat this horse to death. Again, I say, no answer would ever be good enough for you.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Then perhaps, just perhaps, his other attributed statements elsewhere were either misquoted, irrevelent, or unimportant.


If the rabbis final words couldn't be accurately repeated by his closest followers, how do we know anything else he said was?

But in this case there is a minor difference on what Jesus's last words were.

Not really, But it kind of makes me stop and think what else he might have thought of as trivial but you or I might have found as important.

Why don't you think his last words were important? He was hanging on the Cross and you feel his words were nothing?
Alas poor Yorick.

They fled when Jesus was arrested and I think did not see him till three days later.

Seriously, Matthew and Mark aside, who do not see a need for specifics, "It is finished" (John), and "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit" (Luke), mean basically the same thing.

In modern terms he could have just as easily said "Aaargh, I'm dying". WOW! Big surprise there. Someone dying? On a crucifx? Who'd have thought that!

All the best,

See my last post for details.



True, but with four gospel accounts we get the big picture of Jesus.



Perhaps if he said something important....... Again, see my previous post.



We hear of Peter following Jesus and then denying him. The next we hear of the disciples is three days later, but that does not mean that they were not at the crucifixion.

With respect


From this one can get the impression that you feel his last words on the cross was not important.

At the same time it does not mean they were there for his crucifixion. With such an major event like this is it would seem that there would have been mention that they were.

if he was a jew, and a real person, he would have said the "shema", something jews have been saying for thousands of years. the writers of the n.t. didn't know that any more than they knew what matzah was. they were writing for a pagan audience 300 years later.