If that is so, then why haven’t they advertised the fact? Could there be a fear that the sheeple would see what a farce the religion was?

Don’t even remember which magazine article or book that I got it from, but here is a website that I found recently: http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/dss.htm

Bully for you, you are one of the few that don’t! Most American Xians nearly worship the bible and see it as perfect. All the inconsistencies are overlooked because “It is God’s word to man”, when actually it shows itself to be no more than bronze age/iron age mythology with little bearing on life!

And you are one of the few that are that way. The reason you are met with hostility is that your compadres are always pushing your religion on us, even though it is patently ridiculous. So in essence you few that don’t push are treated the same way as the others!

Oh. Well then. Which current version? It's great because it's all subjective material to me. Those saying such and such is as you say just show them a copy of the NIV, King James, Living bible, New American Standard, etc... sure those are all different, but that just doesn't matter to me, the subjective is constant for me. If I want to understand the numerology, astrology, etc in the bible I'd want to go to the originals, but the subjective message is constant throughout all the versions. Let the sorcerers and low level earth based see it to believe it pick apart the details all they want, makes no nevermind to me... can pop a vein on the contradictions all they want. Soon as they start shoving it in my face is when there's problems... don't see this topic starting with "you're all sinners and going to hell so you best believe!"



Oh goodness. Without contradictions in 'science' we'd still be stuck on string-theory or something. It's one of the ways that science corrects itself and grows. New theories replace old theories when new data comes in conflict with current theory. Why was the black hole even theorized? Why was dark matter theorized? Data didn't match the current understanding. What other missing peices of reality don't we know about? We're learning every day, it's what science does, accumulate and categorize knowledge, sometimes that knowlege contradicts until the unifying factors are theorized or discovered. It's like scientists Never make mistakes or something... like they're just as infallible as the pope. (joke)



Like in Jr. High when they were telling me Jesus is a sissy and people who believe in Him are sissys? I'm no fire and brimstone preacher, but if I'm asked I'll say yes I believe in Jesus and I get... my @ss kicked. It goes both ways, and yep there's violent christians, stupid ones too, but I dare say there's more violent non-christians out there than christian types... definately. I don't have the same fear walking into a bar as I do a church (haven't been to church in years and years and years). I don't go to a christian prayer session (like I go anyways ) and have the same fear as at a footbal game, or bowling alley.



Problem is, just my stating my belief implies the threat I guess. My exsistance, my just sitting here implies the threat of hell I guess. Many come here stating their "the truth". I see no problem with a Wiccan sharing their truth. But let a christian type say "Hi, I believe in Jesus" and there will be a slew of "christian god is evil and christians are stupid" posts. Yep, there are a few that come in and only post 3 posts on sinners and hell and whatnot... can't say "Thanks., welcome to the forum anyway" nooooo... it goes all evolution noahs ark bible myth gilgamesh christians are dum. with a few "yeah what he said" thown in.



well... by exsisting I'm saying that I guess. Don't need to say it, ya'll know and it bugs ya. silly christians starting topics like this, they should know better than to make people uncomfortable by exsting or believeing differently.



And that's why I'm that way towards the anti-christians I guess (not non-christians, but Anti-christians). I've been physically attacked, not just verbally (as in "patently ridiculous"), and not for pushing anything, so I see things like this and feel compelled to address it. I can't just leave it at have a cookie cause anti-christians can't leave it at christians are people too, have to add in that their dumb, violent, evil, stupid, not smrt, idiots.


ANYWAY! Even though it's not your research, and even though it can barely be called research, it IS very interesting, amusing, and if used in a light hearted manner could be alot of fun. People get sooo serious when they want to hate on christians... it hurts... *rubs jaw and winces*

and yet you cant show it is wrong. that is so stereotypical for christians dismissing proof.

NIV is most popular now I think. Either way, any of the ones people have likely read arent likely to have changed all too much, since there no more need to translate to a new language.



To the ones who say it, I'll just point them to this thread.

You say that the details dont mind you... if in the original texts there were contradictions such as how many angels were present in the tomb of Jesus and such, what would you make out of it?



Im quite aware of what you mean, I'm just nitpicking at this point because the way you word it is decieving.



Yes, new theories *replace* old theories. The theories dont both stay around and people dont claim they're both right. It is not a contradiction, since the old theory is replaced.



I've never been in that situation (hell, the person who would actually say that would probably get suspended in the *catholic* school I attend) but anyway, if you were in that position, feel free to point out why you dont think biblical Jesus was a sissy.



Thats just plain wrong.



Not really. It depends on how you state your belief. We wouldnt have half as many fights on this forum if people didnt talk in absolutes. People go around saying "Oh your going to hell cuz you dont believe in JC" and "I know my religion is right." and so on... if they said "I think my religion is right", things would be different.



Nope. Actually, go to one of the threads about witchcraft and you'll see that me and a few others were there telling them that they dont *know* they're right.

Honestly though, how many of the threads which have turned into arguments have all the christians saying "Hi, I believe in Jesus Chris and I believe God is good." Go check those threads again and see if there are christians saying "Hi, I know Jesus Christ lived and I know God is good."



Oh please, dont act as if its the non christians who insult the christians always. There are plenty of christians that insult the non christians.



Nope. Doesnt bother me one what you believe. If you start posting that your belief is the truth, then yeah, it bugs me.

Stellar, I look forward to your posts, you never cease to amuse and enlighten me:)

so how about them bible contradictions eh?

Yeah... Some people were telling us that if we show them the contradictions, they would "explain them to us." Where are they?

*stepping back, scratching head* you DON'T have the same fear walking into a bar as you do walking into a church?

Well me too, all those statues and the crusafix scurr the hell out'a me!!

j/k

But as a side note, I used to live in Japan... mostly a Buddhist culture, very very few Christians (although the lies have made it to the far east;)) And frankly, they have an amazingly low crime rate. The crime that is commited most frequently is SUICIDE.

So maybe Christianity isn't always the most non-violent... just a thought!

Practically ALL the lengthy list of contradictions are entirley out of context. Im not saying there are NO contradictions but the list provided when you read the text either side of whats been quoted show most to be not contradictory at all

explain it then and people stop going off-topic. this adds more credibility that the bible is a joke. so far i havent seen any christian who tried to discuss. I started a topic about the non existence of jesus and no christian could explain it and they kept going off-topic.

Hotoke, Have you ever noticed that when confronted with contradictions the first thing an Xian yells is , "It's taken out of context" but to prove their point they nearly always (if not always) take verses totally out of context! I recently posted 19 contradictions and gave lengthy quotes of scriptures to show they weren't out of context, but only one poor deluded soul even tried to answer them!

yeah it seems like there strategy or when people start debunking the bible go offtopic that is one of their greatest strategy's

PSA 145:
A psalm of praise. Of David.
1 [a] I will exalt you, my God the King;
I will praise your name for ever and ever.

2 Every day I will praise you

and extol your name for ever and ever.



3 Great is the LORD and most worthy of praise;

his greatness no one can fathom.

4 One generation will commend your works to another;

they will tell of your mighty acts.

5 They will speak of the glorious splendor of your majesty,

and I will meditate on your wonderful works.

6 They will tell of the power of your awesome works,

and I will proclaim your great deeds.

7 They will celebrate your abundant goodness

and joyfully sing of your righteousness.



8 The LORD is gracious and compassionate,

slow to anger and rich in love.

9 The LORD is good to all;

he has compassion on all he has made.

10 All you have made will praise you, O LORD ;

your saints will extol you.

11 They will tell of the glory of your kingdom

and speak of your might,

12 so that all men may know of your mighty acts

and the glorious splendor of your kingdom.

13 Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,

and your dominion endures through all generations.



The LORD is faithful to all his promises

and loving toward all he has made. [c]

14 The LORD upholds all those who fall

and lifts up all who are bowed down.

15 The eyes of all look to you,

and you give them their food at the proper time.

16 You open your hand

and satisfy the desires of every living thing.


JER 13:
Wineskins
12 "Say to them: 'This is what the LORD , the God of Israel, says: Every wineskin should be filled with wine.' And if they say to you, 'Don't we know that every wineskin should be filled with wine?' 13 then tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: I am going to fill with drunkenness all who live in this land, including the kings who sit on David's throne, the priests, the prophets and all those living in Jerusalem. 14 I will smash them one against the other, fathers and sons alike, declares the LORD . I will allow no pity or mercy or compassion to keep me from destroying them.' "

Hmm, doesnt seem like putting it into context there changes a thing...



EXO 15:
The Song of Moses and Miriam
1 Then Moses and the Israelites sang this song to the LORD :


"I will sing to the LORD ,

for he is highly exalted.

The horse and its rider

he has hurled into the sea.

2 The LORD is my strength and my song;

he has become my salvation.

He is my God, and I will praise him,

my father's God, and I will exalt him.

3 The LORD is a warrior;

the LORD is his name.

4 Pharaoh's chariots and his army

he has hurled into the sea.

The best of Pharaoh's officers

are drowned in the Red Sea. [a]

5 The deep waters have covered them;

they sank to the depths like a stone.

ROM 15:

30I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me. 31Pray that I may be rescued from the unbelievers in Judea and that my service in Jerusalem may be acceptable to the saints there, 32so that by God's will I may come to you with joy and together with you be refreshed. 33The God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Hmm... again, changes nothing.



GEN 1:

24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."



27 So God created man in his own image,

in the image of God he created him;

male and female he created them.

GEN 2:
Adam and Eve
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.


When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- 7 the LORD God formed the man [e] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground-trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin [f] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. [g] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.

But for Adam [h] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

Again, nothing changed...



GEN 7:

The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven [a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."
5 And Noah did all that the LORD commanded him.

6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.

11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Same ole, same ole



Last one for now.

KI1 4:

Solomon's Power, Wealth and Wisdom

20(Y)Judah and Israel were as numerous as the sand that is on the seashore in abundance; they were eating and drinking and rejoicing.

21(Z)Now Solomon ruled over all the kingdoms (AA)from the [a]River to the land of the Philistines and to the border of Egypt; (AB)they brought tribute and served Solomon all the days of his life.


22Solomon's provision for one day was thirty kors of fine flour and sixty kors of meal,


23ten fat oxen, twenty pasture-fed oxen, a hundred sheep besides deer, gazelles, roebucks, and fattened fowl.


24For he had dominion over everything west of the River, from Tiphsah even to (AC)Gaza, (AD)over all the kings west of the River; and (AE)he had peace on all sides around about him.


25(AF)So Judah and Israel lived in safety, every man under his vine and his fig tree, (AG)from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.


26(AH)Solomon had [c]40,000 stalls of horses for his chariots, and 12,000 horsemen.


27Those deputies provided for King Solomon and all who came to King Solomon's table, each in his month; they left nothing lacking.


28They also brought barley and straw for the horses and (AI)swift steeds to the place where it should be, each according to his charge.


29Now (AJ)God gave Solomon wisdom and very great discernment and breadth of mind, (AK)like the sand that is on the seashore.


30Solomon's wisdom surpassed the wisdom of all (AL)the sons of the east and (AM)all the wisdom of Egypt.


31For (AN)he was wiser than all men, than (AO)Ethan the Ezrahite, Heman, (AP)Calcol and Darda, the sons of Mahol; and his fame was known in all the surrounding nations.



CH2 9:


Solomon's Wealth and Power

13(E)Now the weight of gold which came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold,

14besides that which the traders and merchants brought; and all (F)the kings of Arabia and the governors of the country brought gold and silver to Solomon.


15King Solomon made 200 large shields of beaten gold, using 600 shekels of beaten gold on each large shield.


16He made 300 shields of beaten gold, using three hundred shekels of gold on each shield, and the king put them in the house of the forest of Lebanon.


17Moreover, the king made a great throne of ivory and overlaid it with pure gold.


18There were six steps to the throne and a footstool in gold attached to the throne, and arms on each side of the seat, and two lions standing beside the arms.


19Twelve lions were standing there on the six steps on the one side and on the other; nothing like it was made for any other kingdom.


20All King Solomon's drinking vessels were of gold, and all the vessels of the house of the forest of Lebanon were of pure gold; silver was not considered valuable in the days of Solomon.


21(G)For the king had ships which went to Tarshish with the servants of Huram; once every three years the ships of Tarshish came bringing gold and silver, ivory and apes and peacocks.


22(H)So King Solomon became greater than all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom.


23And all the kings of the earth were seeking the presence of Solomon, to hear his wisdom which God had put in his heart.


24(I)They brought every man his gift, articles of silver and gold, garments, weapons, spices, horses and mules, so much year by year.


25Now Solomon had (J)4,000 stalls for horses and chariots and 12,000 horsemen, and he stationed them in the chariot cities and with the king in Jerusalem.


26(K)He was the ruler over all the kings from the Euphrates River even to the land of the Philistines, and as far as the border of Egypt.


27(L)The king made silver as common as stones in Jerusalem, and he made cedars as plentiful as sycamore trees that are in the lowland.


28(M)And they were bringing horses for Solomon from Egypt and from all countries.


29(N)Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, from first to last, (O)are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?


30(P)Solomon reigned forty years in Jerusalem over all Israel.



Shall I continue?

explain my quote? ok. some people here will simply call my stuff BS and then assume that it makes it so. they do not bother to refute what i say.

what you said is hardly proves as much as me saying that a NASA engineer found Joshua's extra day (i am just using that as an example, i dont really believe that a NASA engineer found Joshua's extra day). for all i know your "biblical scholars" could be GA Wells and your 'christian scholars' be Achyra S. it also hinges on the existance of the your original source, known elsewhere as the 'Q' document. not only do we not know when it was written or what it says, we dont even know if it exists.
it could be that the gospels are complementary, not contradictory and they could be recording events from a different persons point of view.
or it could be that in ANE culture, little details like that didnt really matter that much. it may be a shock to some of you that the bible wasnt written by people with western mindsets. Abraham Rihbany, an american immigrant from Syria, describes this indifference to details in his book The Syrian Christ.
the bible has been changed? too bad you cant get the manuscripts and people that actually study them to agree with you.
i couldnt agree more.
it is the point. i did more research in deciding what to eat for breakfast this morning than your sources did in making sure their contradictions were in fact contradictions. the only place their research would hold any water is in skeptical circles where anything anti-christian is instantly believed. and these people call christians sheep! humans have changed the bible yes but nothing that couldnt be found with some real study of the manuscripts. could the english translations of today be called infallible? no, but that makes no statement about the validity of the bible or christianity.
hate to burst your bubble, but it has been advertised. most english translations of the bible have either a disclaimer or footnote about mark 15:9-20

nothing particulary earth shattering in the article. dead sea scrolls are another group of manuscripts that will need to be considered when someone decides it time again to revise the english translations.

proof! ROFL the only thing that has been proved is that stellar's sources can read. thumbing through a bible and finding everything that on the surface appears to contradict something else and making a list out of it hardly constitutes proof of anything. no one here has shown anything remotely coming close to proof of a contradition. it you think proof has been shown, you need take a composition class and learn how to convince others of your viewpoint. you have made a hypothesis and now you need to back it up.
they dont deserve an explanation. but just to humor you (and maybe to show just how ignorant you are) ill explain a few.
one: Gen 1 vs Gen 2 creation accounts.
it would be grammatically correct in the hebrew manuscripts to make Gen 2:19 read "And out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field." the NIV and Martin Luther's translation (im pretty sure of this, unless my german grammar is off) of the OT does this. that would put the creation of animals before man.
two: Gen 22 vs James 1:13.
a quick look in a hebrew lexicon (anyone even know what a lexicon is?) reveals that the word in the KJV for tempt, nasah, could also be rendered as test. we all know that there is a difference between test and tempt. test has a more positive connotation. the NIV renders nasah as test, which would fit better in the context of Gen 22.
three: Sam 31:4-6 vs Sam 2 1:15
a simple look in a bible resolves this one. look at Sam 2 and one finds that the person being killed isnt saul at all.
its sad that your sources cant even check their contradictions to see if its is one in english. or maybe i was wrong about them being able to read.
four: EXO 15:3 vs ROM 15:33
could you local plumber not be at one time your peaceful neighborhood plumber and at a different time be a soldier?
five KI1 4:26 vs CH2 9:25
congratulations, you have found a copyist error. [sarcasm] of course it isnt important that numbers are the most common copyist error and that one could ask historians familiar with this time to find the appropriate answer, because this undermines all of christianity even though if the same principle was applied to other similar documents from antiquity we would be left with almost no knowledge of anything before the invention of the printing press.[/sarcasm]

you cant take the bible peice by piece by piece. you have to look ta it as a whole.

Personaly, I do not take the Bible or science literal. Both have too many flaws to be taken as absolutes. the difference is the Bible is a static book while science has the capability of change. To me its the message, not always the detail.

Here is something I found - "Atoms with orbiting electrons should suffer radiation death, but they are obviously stable! Originally, this inconsistency was simply postulated away by Bohr, though he well understood the contradiction. Bohr took the view that "A great truth is a truth of which the contrary is also a truth," and to remove all doubt, he argued that the two statements "There is a God" and "There is no God" are equally insightful propositions."

I dont see how that answers my question as to how both people (the one who claims 1 angel, and the other who claims 2 angels at the same time/place) can both be right...



Ahh, you're saying it hasnt been changed!? So i suppose that these exact same contradictions exist in the original too, hence improving my point!



No, it isnt the point.



Over the next few days, I'll have posted all of those passages into context. I've already put a few into context. You're still arguing that those arent contradictions at all?



You mean the places where they'll research the subject instead of thinking "Hey, its the bible! There cant be anything wrong in any book named 'The Bible!'"?




SO WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME!? LIKE I SAID, the point of this thread is NOT to attack the validity of the Bible, NOR Christianty. My point was that the bible, the one translated after many years, and the one which people have read and still call infallible, and the one which they argue translation did not change a thing, has, indeed, many contradictions.



No. More things have been proven, such as you not being able to say a thing against the bible.



No? Somehow showing contradictions in the bible doesnt prove that theres contradictions in the bible?



Maybe if you'd read the contradictions instead of ignoring them... Hell, I've grouped up the contradictions. Theres plenty.



We have backed it up with references to which verses constitute the contradictions. Now, mind telling me why they're NOT contradictions instead of just saying "They're not!" and then crying about it?



You dont deserve to be responded to, but I do it anyway out of courtesy.



Making it grammatically correct in the Hebrew manuscripts changes nothing... First of all, what you said would be "gramatically correct" is actually the way it is written. Second of all, I'm not arguing about how it would be "gramatically correct" in the Hebrew version, I'm arguing about the way it is written in the new version. You saying something isnt written the way it should be just further supports my point, that the bible has been changed.




Ahh, so you admit, there IS an error in the bible! Thats what I've been saying all along!

Edit:


Again, I want to make my point clear. I am not arguing about the validity of christianity. I am not arguing about the original version of the bible. People on this forum and abroad claim that the bible is infallible, and is 100% gods word. They say it is unedited and unchanged. Some say that even the translations are accurate. I posted a series of contradictions (Sure, a few of them here and there might not be good, Im going over all of them and putting them into context over the next few days) which show that the bible which some people call infallible and all that stuff mentioned above has contradictions.

And one final word for those of you who think the bible is infallible and also believe that the bible should be taken literally. Explain this.

Whoah, wait a minute... I know that avatar... Bob?!

have a cookie.
and no, i am not stalking you, just incase you were wondering.

Why are you still arguing with me if in the other forum you said you understand what I mean?

i guess to prevent someone from taking the position that those contradictions are proof that the bible (not a translation, but the original) is invalid, which is the position i feel like some others here are taking.
i guess it would be a good idea to express my views to prevent any other pointless arguing with anyone else.
the english translations of bible are pretty good in getting the basics of judism and christianity across, but do not represent the full original meaning of the text. things have to be changed to account for idioms in both english and the original texts and other problems dealing with translation. i do not think that any of the things changed affect any major, salvation related doctrine. some minor, non-salvation related doctrines might have been changed or made unclear, but for your average Christian, it does not make much of a difference. for those that want to know more about what the writers really ment (and those that want to critisise the bible (in the original languages) in an attempt to make it totally invalid), more knowledge of the language, culture, and some other stuff is needed. tools like concordances, lexicons, and commentaries are availiable to help in a deeper study of the bible.

Some of them might hurt the originals validity if we could read the original hebrew verson and see if the contradictions are still there. I dont think I'm willing to learn hebrew just to do that though.

no need to learn the entire language.
usually, the contradiction hinges on very few words, few enough to be looked up in a lexicon (there are some available online) for alternate meanings. a good example is the Gen & James passages concerning God not tempting people. there only one word needed to be cleared up.

No probs give me some time & Ill try to go thru that list ...

there is no reason to, but i wont object to you doing it. the skeptics here have failed miserably to do thier homework.

the onley reason we dont respond is you have no proff that jesus isent real oh and btw jesus did not write the bible i know who did

Did you talk to this person too?

naw i did not talk to this person i dont think to many people have

...?

Who was it then?

why should i tell any 1 who did you guys would not belive me any ways and if jesus wrote the book there would be no lies no flaws all truths

Because Jesus is perfect in every way and flawless in every aspect. You don't want to tell anyone because the purity of said work will be corrupted with the skepticism of the Satanic hordes that rule the Earth.

Just like Ashley... ask for names and get a run around....

Reminds me of the Sphinx from Mystery Men...

"He who questions training only trains himself in asking questions".

lol dont ya mean aliens and what satanic hordes

all wrong you have failt to explain the contradicitons. all you say is "like your wrong and it is crap what you said" you are doing a great job on showing that no christian can exlain the bible contradictions

As to the gospels, few Christians may be aware that we have hardly any historical record that Jesus ever lived! Traditional evidence, such as references to Jesus by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, called Testimonium Flavianum, have been shown to be later forgeries. Authors in the second and third centuries never mentioned these interpolated references to Jesus in his "Jewish War" writings.

We have the works of dozens of first century Roman authors who make no reference to Jesus Christ at all. The Elder Plinius, who states to have visited Palestina before the destruction of Jerusalem, does not mention anything about a Jesus or his Jerusalem community, nor do Persius, Martial, and Seneca (apart from an obvious forgery of a correspondence between Paul and Seneca).

Besides destruction of the oldest scriptures by Christians themselves, in the year 303 emperor Diocletian promulgated throughout the Roman world an edict commanding Christian churches to be overthrown and their scriptures burned. Eusebius related how he saw with his own eyes biblical scriptures being tossed on the fire in the market place.

The fact is that our Bible is mainly based on old Greek texts dating from the fourth century: the Codex Vaticanus and Sinaïticus. Moreover all documents found differ from each other, caused by mistakes, intentional alterations and additions by copyists to underpin their particular belief. In fact the Vaticanus already differs in around 3000 places from the Sinaïticus. One might consider the bible a kind of revisionist history.

The irony of it all is that we know more about the big bang, the origin of our universe some 13,7 billion years ago, than of the life of Jesus.


No images of the crucified saviour are to be found dating from the first three centuries. Constantine saw Christ as a beautiful young man. There is an abundance of beardless Apollo-like youths in Roman dress representing the good shepherd.

As to Jesus, it is also surprising that amongst the Dead Sea scrolls, discovered in 1947, no scripture refers to the person who is supposed to have made such an impact on his fellowmen.

The only person we know of who first used the name of Jesus or the term Christ was Paul.

Christianity arose out of groups that anticipated the imminent arrival of the Messiah of Aaron and Israel. He would be descended from David, and make known Jahweh's plan for eternal life. He had the power to forgive sin and resurrect the dead. Believers obtained purification by the Holy spirit. Some communities believed that the last day was at hand, and with it a final battle between light and darkness. There would be a period of tribulation for the believers ending in eternal redemption.

One of the theories is that of the existence of of a much earlier gnostic group, calling themselves "Christian", later known as Dositheans. This ancient sect was founded by Dositheus, said to be a disciple of John the Baptist. After the execution of the Baptist by Herod Antipas, Dositheus founded a group consisting of thirty disciples. Many, if not all, were said to be initiates of John and later of Jesus. The sect was founded in Samaria, where the Baptist was said to be buried

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica : 'Christians count one hundred and thirty-three contrary opinions of different authorities concerning the year the Messiah appeared on earth.'

There is much doubt whether a city of Nazareth, Jesus' hometown, existed at that time. It is not mentioned in the letters of Paul, the Old Testament, the Talmud, by Josephus or anyone else. Though there may have been a hamlet of a few houses it was certainly not a town in Galilee as mentioned in in Matthews' gospel (2:23). The name Nazoraeans, a sect that preceded Jesus, may have been misinterpreted, as some of its members became followers of Jesus and were called Christians later. In order to fulfil an Old Testament prophecy, Bethlehem, where Jesus is supposed to have been born, may have been come up with.

Of a census ordered by Herod at that time forcing people to register at their home villages nothing is known either. Anyhow, Judea was not a Roman province at the time. Herod died ten years before the birth of Jesus. There is not any record of a child slaying in Bethlehem.
Luke contradicts Matthew and says that this registration was when Quirinius was governor of Syria, whereas he did not come to hold this position until ten years later.

Most scholars do not believe that the day of birth could have been on the 25th of December. The winter season in Palestine did not permit shepherds to sleep in the field (and did those shepherds not have to register in their hometowns for the census?)
It is at least suspicious that ancient godmen Horus, Mithra, Dionysus and Krishna were also born on December 25th.,

Jesus, the messiah? In the last verses of the Old Testament: Malachi 4:5, no mention is made of the coming of a messiah, unless Elijah is meant: Behold I will send you Eliyah the prophet before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.. No mention whatsoever of the coming of the Son of God!

whats your point hotoke

your strategy wont work on me i wont go off-topic. distracting me from the truth eh?


discuss what this topic contains, I seriously believe now that christains are gullible because they are losing this discussion, none of you have anything to say at all. all you say is: no your wrong

LET US JUST CALL THIS A WARNING FOR THE SKEPTICS THAT DO NOT CARE TO DELVE IN BIBLICAL VERSES.

BLESSED ARE THE SKEPTICS FOR IN THAT DAY, THEY WILL BE MOCKERS, WHICH WAS SIMPLY, ALL PREDESTINED TO BE


Genesis 19:14

And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons-in-law, who married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for Jehovah will destroy the city. But he seemed unto his sons-in-law as one that mocked. DIDN'T WANT TO BELIEVE

Genesis 21:9

And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne unto Abraham, mocking. JEALOUSY

Numbers 22:29

And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me, I would there were a sword in my hand, for now I had killed thee. ATTEMPT TO CURSE ANOTHER

Judges 16:15

And she said unto him, How canst thou say, I love thee, when thy heart is not with me? thou hast mocked me these three times, and hast not told me wherein thy great strength lieth. DECEIVERS WILL BE MOCKED


2 Chronicles 36:16

but they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and scoffed at his prophets, until the wrath of Jehovah arose against his people, till there was no remedy. CLOSED MINDS

Job 11:31

Should thy boastings make men hold their peace? And when thou mockest, shall no man make thee ashamed? EMBARRASMENT

Job 17:2

Surely there are mockers with me, And mine eye dwelleth upon their provocation. PROVOKERS

Job 21:3

Suffer me, and I also will speak; And after that I have spoken, mock on. LACKOF UNDERSTANDING AND COMPREHENSION BY SKEPTIC

Psalm 35:16

Like the profane mockers in feasts, They gnashed upon me with their teeth. LIKE RAVENOUS WOLVES WORKING IN A PACK

Proverbs 1:26

I also will laugh in [the day of] your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; HOWEVER, I WILL NOT BECAUSE YOUR MOCKING WAS PREDESTINED

Ezekiel 22:5

Those that are near, and those that are far from thee, shall mock thee, thou infamous one [and] full of tumult. TODAY

Matthew 20:19

and shall deliver him unto the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify: and the third day he shall be raised up. AND SO, THE SKEPTICS DID

Matthew 27:29

And they platted a crown of thorns and put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand; and they kneeled down before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews! AND THE CONTINUE TO DO SO

Matthew 27:31

And when they had mocked him, they took off from him the robe, and put on him his garments, and led him away to crucify him. KILLED A MAN BECAUSE OF SKEPTICISM

Mark 10:34

and they shall mock him, and shall spit upon him, and shall scourge him, and shall kill him; and after three days he shall rise again. UNRULY SKEPTICS WITH HATRED IN THEIR HEARTS

Luke 14:29

Lest haply, when he hath laid a foundation, and is not able to finish, all that behold begin to mock him, BECAUSE THEIR SIN WAS SO GREAT THEY DID NOT WANT IT TO BE TRUE

Luke 22:63

And the men that held [Jesus] mocked him, and beat him. FOR THEIR SIN WAS ALREADY GREAT AS WELL

Luke 23:36

And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, offering him vinegar, REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIR SOUR THOUGHTS BECAUSE THEIR MISPLACED HATRED WAS GREAT

Hebrews 11:36

and others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: EXPECTED THEN AS TODAY

Galatians 6:7

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. HEED

2 Peter 3:3

knowing this first, that in the last days mockers shall come with mockery, walking after their own lusts, CASE IN POINT

Jude 1:18

That they said to you, In the last time there shall be mockers, walking after their own ungodly lusts. SECOND WARNING, CASE IN POINT

BASICALLY, YOUR WORDS, AND NOT ALWAYS THOSE OF THE SKEPTICS, WERE ALREADY PREDESTINED TO BE.

great condemned by a book filled with myths lies and sheeple. so if you cant counter my posts you warn me because i will go to hell. this proves it. christians cant explain why there are bible contradictions. I will be laughing when my lifespan will be extendend for a 1000 year.yup science can do that

HOTOKE


The time is at hand, the time has not yet begun for you. These are actually statements letting you off the hook since they were predestined. Sure, it is wrong to slam religion that has stood for thousands of years, but just the same, if it weren't for skeptics and their comments, prophecy would not unfold as it has - including mockers. You actually expedited the end times that you continue to make fun of. I guarantee you, that in your lifetime, you will feel great remorse for what it is you said. But, lucky for you, all is forgiven since it was predestined and you were ignorant of such things for all the many reasons you will have.

Yay, your ficticious god forgives my sins. I can finally sleep at night.

Oh good grief... you're trying to tell us that the simple fact people in this world will mock something they don't agree with, whether it's religion, science, or debate is "prophecy...". It's human nature. Did the Bible also "prophesize" that people will die? Fancy that! Now i've heard it all... how completely, utterly, and mind-numbingly ludicrous.

all i gota say you 2 are gona get it big time ive said this already jesus did not write the bible do you understand this you are not safe at all

We're going to get it eh? Right. And tell us then who did write the Bible? Why not be charitable and divulge this info, eh? I'd like to know...

No, it's because their hearts have been hardened and their light (candle) put out. At that point in your life, you are not made to or allowed to see the truth.

Yay, your ficticious god forgives my sins. I can finally sleep at night.
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YES, YOU CAN SLEEP TONIGHT, BUT NOT IN "THE NIGHT" DELIVERED BY THE LESSER LIGHT.

their strategy is working. we are going off-topic but seriously instead of rabbling how i am going to hell how about them bible contradictions? how about saying something about them > o wait you cant it is all true. research owned the bible

on a side note there is more proof for reincarnation then heaven and hell if those past life experiences are true then i am converting to buddishm