Being a finacial savy person, and having made so decent investments in recent years, I am now putting my money where my mouth is and offering to transfer 1000 dollars into an online accesable account if any person here can prove to me they have psychokinetic abilities. I realize most of you don't have the means or will to collect the 1million dollar prize. I therefore and offering a smaller and more easily accesable offering to the man or woman who proves to me here that they have psychokinetic abilities. Upon reasonable proof, I shall transfer the funds into whatever account, or by whatever means you are able to accomidate.

Why am I willing to put up a sum of money? Do you think it is a waste of funds? Not so. One must spend money to make money. I already have many ideas of how to turn this venture into a profitable one for me. Which is precisely why I am offering this prize. You can contact me at brokenjohnnynofix@hotmail.com

If any of you become serious in your efforts and near proof, I will be willing to disclose my telephone number, and we can discuss things further person to person.

It seems to me we have some of the most, er, "Talented" psychics in these forums, and I wish to see if there is any real substance behind these claims.

1000 dollars people. You could buy your family a nice vacation with that, or get a big TV, or a computer. You could get a used car, or buy a homless person countless hot meals. You could donate the money to cancer research, or to your favorite charity.

Let the games begin.

EDIT Canadian dollars

Good luck, Friend, you are gonna need it.

No, THEY are going to need it.

WOW - 1000 dollars could get me to Canada
*starts practicing
which type of psychokinetic ability?

Um, if they could prove that they have psychokinetic abilities, wouldn't they have already gone into business? They would be able to make alot more than 1K.

You would think so, wouldn't you?

Insight: Explain how the video would have to be done in order for you to not think that it was an illusion...

It would have to be a combination os videos. Not a single one. Obviously, I would be able to find fault with a single video. After seeing such video, I would explain the errors in it, and expect the next video to correct it. Eventually, after some lengthy discussions and various submissions, hopefully we would arrive at a video which would be very hard to contend with, and be plausible as "proof". It would be a fairly long process perhaps, but one worth the time and energy. Of course I would view each one with extreme speculation, but allow the subject to make new ones correcting what I deem to be errors. i would also subit said tape to some of my peers for review. If a tape could be produced that could not be explained other than as a "supernatural/psionic phenomena, I would constitute it as proof. Remember that I am an accomplished illusionist and would be able to recognize most, if not all techniques. I'd use my base knowledge as a source for debunking supposed video proof. But as with any video, special effects come into play, which is why i would need various different scenarios. If someone truely has a psychokinetic ability, in theory, it should be fairly easy for them to prove. Shouldn't it?

This is an excellent idea Insight Good luck!

PS. I'm tempted to do the same if someone can prove the existance of God

That I cannot prove to you my friend. I can prove it to myself, but I cannot change the hearts of men if they don't want to see the proof. if you WANT to know and seek God, that is a different story. But if you do not truely wish to seek him, you'll never see him. I wish I myself could prove to others that He exists, but I can only prove it to myself I have found.

Anyways....

I want 1000 dollars

So when you say "psychokinetic", you're only considering the kineses, is this correct? Or will you accept precog or empathy or any of those abilities as worthy of your $1000?
Also, is that Canadian or US dollars?

Don't we all.

i like this idea

I find it interesting that you can believe in god yet you can not believe in the talent in question? Do you believe in god by faith or by scientific information provided to you? Do you doubt an ability because of lack of faith or information provided to you? Does a magnet need to be pushed by a human hand to cause it to move? How can magnets attract and repell? Energy?? the magnetic field is made of moving energy, objects can be moved by their physical state and magnetic state, if you push the object with your hands you cause it to move, if you move the objects energy the object will follow. It can be prooven and is rather simple but in turn you loose the mystery if you know the truth so sometimes we choose to ignore it.

No one said anything about god...at all in this thread.
Magnets have been proven real, they are used for everything by billions of people. Is Psi used for everything by everyone? No. If it is real, then maybe it will be someday. Today, it is not proven, and i don't beleve it to be real. So, if it's not proven then it can't be used for everyday things, by everyday people. To sum this up, magnets = proven and used everyday. Psi = not proven/fake and not used everyday.

Try to keep this respectful thread on-topic, please.



Magnets are actual matter that we can study and understand. Insight's challenge is about something that has not been proved to exist. I am highly interested in this challenge and I would love to see what videos would surface.

You are fully prepared to lose that 1k, right? You never know what may happen with these guys. :)

*raises hand*, uhh, I did. Only jokingly though...didn't know people were going to take it so seriously

be very careful insight there are lots of tricksters that can bend minds(persuade)...


i am being serious...just concern for the saftey of my "friends" on here.

It's not at all a lose for me, my friend. All videos sent to me become my property. Respectfully of course. Once I have what I consider substantial proof, and give up my 1000 buckaroos, I have many various ideas of how to make it a profitable venture for me.

be very careful insight there are lots of tricksters that can bend minds(persuade)...

I am confident in my defenses for such persuation. I have a few different "plans of attack" regarding this. Personally, I would love to see any proof whatsoever, whether it be video or something else. I am an accomplished illusionist, and will be able to explain how a "trick" might have been done with an aptitude exceding those who haven't studied the art of illusion. Hopefully this will allow me and the subject to work towards a credible source of proof.

i am being serious...just concern for the saftey of my "friends" on here.

I appreciate your concern.

Well, good luck insight. I tried something similar to this about 5 months ago. I even offered to pay to have whatever was done analyzed by video experts so that the subjects wouldn't feel my skeptical opinion was tainting a scientific analysis of what was being done. I got about 20, "Hey, that's a good idea" responses and one firm commitment from a member. That member subsequently disappeared and has never posted again..
Oh well; maybe you'll have better luck..

What I am mostly looking for here is two things.

1.) The full debunking of our resident "experts" of psi, so actual psionic discussion can follow free of naive kids.

2.) Proof positive that the psionic realm is more than just a delightful figment if my imagination.

And hell, if I manage to get both, I'll be really stoked.

Well I don't really know what I can do 4 U then Insight, I mean, U wouldn't even watch if i made a vid of the psiwheel coz even I can agree that there and more that 100 ways 2 fake it so........yeah

i can show u my stuff sweetie pie, just hand me the cash 2 wks in advance (thinkin: run away with cash to parrellel universe)

I'll do this! So I can make $1,000??!!!! YA!!!!! But later.........

Careful Insight...powerful psychics on these boards could send you a hypnotic video tape telling you to send them the $1,000

I haven't heard anyone on here say that they can hypnotize people.......

How? If I did take this test I would want to know how you would profit, and if you profiting would put me at risk.

come on people, be creative... If you think just a psiwheel isnt enough, do what i'm doing. Psiwheel under a glass, and showing me set up, at an angle where you can always see my face, hands, and the wheel.

Insight,

...

So Insight, are you saying you would sell our tapes to other people after we send them to you?

Aww look, the psions here are now saying "Oh, I'll prove it to you later, I want to practice more first."

go figure

Oh come on I will send a video in, but I will practice more first!

A video tape isn't going to work because its very easy to manipulate the situation and realistically would not be something that could scientifically be taken seriously . The person in question would need to be in the same room as you in a controlled enviroment where you would absoloutely be able to say 100% no funny business happened.

that isn't what i said in any form, stellar

No, you say you can do stuff now, prove it. No need to practice indefinitly until everyone forgets about it.



Huh?

nah i'll send 1 in

nevermind. I misread the post. xDD

Then do it now. You claim you have powers, right? Prove it now.

Insight: I suggest you put a time limit on the offer.

Uhh I don't even have a camera.... I only had 2 and both caught on fire... which is pretty sad and I am too poor to buy another. The only physical thing I can do it very slight tk, I don't have instant reaction to the psi wheel but I can manage to make it spin eventually, I can mimic a magnet on some light objects(like a Live Strong band from Lance Armstrong(if you know what those are, those yellow rubber bands)i can make it roll slightly) I can make it so they rock back and forth with no wind effects but from a close distance... Most of my tk I truely believe works like a magnet, I believe alot of this has to do with energy that mimics magnetic field, when you use tk, it works as a magnet, psi balls you get a magnetic feeling.. If you are willing to spend some of your 1k to drive down to New Jersey in the US ill gladly show you my pethetic 'abilities'...hey ive only been doing this for a short period of time, cut me some slack. I doubt its worth the drive though... I always understood where skeptics are came from, I know because im sometimes skeptical, but there is also always a open-minded part to me, which led me to attempt these kenetic feats. When I achieved the slightest results it swayed me to one side and my believe only became stronger. I know your kind(that sounds racist) your one who would need historical proof to acknowledge the existance of God and other people. We all know things can be fake, things can be mimiced, and lied about. Being open minded is the true key, if you don't believe something right now why try to prove it exist? I don't go running around wasting my time trying to prove the earth is square. I think as time goes on the things you waste your money on will be explained eventually, since its being so focused on. All explainations start and end similarly, a idea, a theory, experiment, reasonable conclusion that links back to reality. Right now people claim they achieved these feats. The majority has agreed on some theories based on the effects. Take the fake ghost experiment for example, people tried to prove that a ghost could be made if you believed it exist, in short if you have not read this or seen it(It was aired on tv years ago) scientist gathered a dozen people (average americans) and told them to make a life line of someone who is now dead, that also never existed. They were required to make a name, job, title, events, race, etc. Eventually they successfully made a fake ghost, the main point was they never got a response to a question that was not in his written life line, or that any of the people that made him did not know themselves(he responded with knocks or physical movement of objects) this experiment was done several times I believe, and was aired on tv(in front of 50 people)... There was a thread about it, and I further researched it.

*laughs* There is no one on this board who would be able to penetrate my mind with any sort of hypnotic intrusion. And if they can, they deserve the money. *laughs*


So Insight, are you saying you would sell our tapes to other people after we send them to you?

What I do with the tapes is my business. If I do infact send you the money for the proof, all tapes you have sent to me will become my property. Don't worry, I am a respectable man, and will not abuse them in any way. If this discourages anyone from entering this contest, then they are not a real psionic and are looking for an easy excuse to get out of responsibility for claiming they have these abilities. Really, no one has any excuse not to "prove" their abilities to me.

EDIT: I like Stellars idea of putting a time limiter on the prize. However, I'm going ot wait until more people come out of the woodwork before I decide whether or not to do this.

Keeping the thread alive

to be honest , what lottie here said pretty much sums it up . If your really willing to just accept a video file ... I really couldnt make one any more convincing then the files already readily available on the net ( use google ) . There are ways to fake anything . Its almost as easy to fake it as it is to do it for real .

The only way this could work is if we actually met in person . You might be able to get someone here willing to do that , but its doubtfull .

I already explained my progressive criteria for a video in either this thread, or another one. I don't expect any single video to constitute as proof. I plan to work towards it with a string of videos, each one gaining more credibility as we discuss the ways in which it could have been false.

Interesting idea. If you do get any tapes, Insight, more than likely they will be worth their weight in gold for sheer entertainment value.

* New thought: Since you have that sort of money to toss around, what if I sent a really persuasive tape of why I deserve $1,000 for never making a false claim of abilities? Just an idea...

WHoah! 2 cameras set on fire!? You're cursed! Seriously though that's strange, anyway back to topic, I don't have a webcam like I've said many times

Well actually the fires were my fault, they broke, I opened them up and in both cases I fixed them for a split second by reconnecting the wiring and some circuts by a metal screw driver, but 3 seconds after it would smoke like crazy because I would slip touching multiple pieces then poof little chip goes on fire....

Well there you go, that's another mystery solved

How is that going to work? In my eyes it really doesn't matter how many 'strings' video tapes are made available. Without the person actually being in the same room as you there is no definitive proof and no credibility. Every tape no matter how 'real' it may look is going to be debunked automatically because of the numerous realistic possibilities that will crop up.

I'd be hard pressed to find a way to make profit from that one Jenn. *chuckles* However, I think you do deserve something for your efforts. What is it though, I am not sure of. *laughs*

*laughs* I guess if anyone is deadly serious in their attempt, and I myself believe that they will be able to achieve it, I might be willing to fly out somewhere for an afternoon or something. As long as it's not to far, and not rediculously expensive.