makes me wonder why people say healing is a work of demons...and some people being told by god/gods to write these religious books...

could they not also be classed as works of a demon?

Satan and his demons do whatever they can to make the existance of God seem impossible or fake. Demons are fallen angels; supernatural. If they can appear as ghosts, then wouldn't that mean that people don't go to heaven or hell after death? If they can make aliens a "reality" then it's proof that life evolved elsewhere and it could've happened here so God doesn't exist. They do whatever possible.

You need to be able to test spirits in order to know their oriantation. You also need to be able to test spiritual "messages" and spiritual gifts.

I don't think that demons always get the credit when anything paranormal happens. Lots of things out there contribute to these events whether spiritual or mental, physical or not...but you don't really associate God with doing certain things like appearing in rooms to frighten you or throwing objects around the middle of an empty room...I would hope that people would know that he would use his powers for far more important things than trickery...

That is true. Most people think it's 'the devil' when someone sees something that in any way connects to God (or even when it doesn't). And that's usually from those who believe such a thing exists in the first place.

I think the role of 'the devil' is misunderstood (not, though to say that taht in any way detracts from the evil he causes), and if you saw a demon, you'd know about it.

Demons are offspring of the fallen angels, not the fallen themselves. The fallen are punished just like everyone else, and though they probably can cause havoc, the term demon, is still in reference to their offspring which was said that they would be 'evil spirits upon the Earth', and can take on many forms, being now in spirit form.

The most divine angels
are those who were demons
from lewder Bacchanalias;
as demons they died within the lures of love
and by singing the song of songs they dawn as angels..!

Ah that explains everything, Loge...

Since when are demons a bad thing...?
According to Dictionary.com...
An inferior deity, such as a deified hero.
An attendant spirit; a genius.
Does not sound so bad to me.

Wasn't the original meaning and purpose of the devil the critic and tester of humanity...?
Demons only appear to be evil in most Asian mythologies and some modernized religions...

In Native American mythology, demons/tricksters are supposed to teach humanity what not to do and what is wrong to do... by doing it.

I'm going to be yelled at for this...

I think that when everything is labeled demonic, its very wrong indeed. I think that God wants you to heal and use other power for goodness to help humanity and nature, not label and judge it all, fearing that the devil is at work. If the devil is the source of healing and good power, than it seems all of Christianity has been worshipping the evil deity for quite some time.

It seems as though the Vatican has spread it's terrible teachings elsewhere and the battle for total control has heated up. Just because something unexplained happens, in it no way means that it is demonic. If something aids you by only using the power of something holy or good, than how is that in any way tied to something demonic?

In Native American mythology, demons/tricksters are supposed to teach humanity what not to do and what is wrong to do... by doing it.

EXACTLY. And if I remember correctly, this isn't going to be in perfect detail, but raven was one of the most manevolent but helpful creatures. If people do not follow native american or other beliefs, and still can't stop calling everything demons, then how are they themselves not impure and demonic for destroying and corrupting all of "God's" creations? I think they've got a lot of apologizing to do.

Anson_Kail wrote:


Although Intellectual People seem to be very respectable and serious, the truth is that they have disgraced our entire world with the silliness and stupidities of their subjective science and religious fanaticism... all of that is the outcome of the abnormality of their psyche, this is why they just do abnormal things.

Obviously, the intellectual bipeds of the planet Earth do not have a perfect relationship with the human beings of other inhabited worlds.

Undoubtedly, there are other planetary humanities that (as a fact) are very interested in studying these abnormalities.

Every once in a while, the extraterrestrials "steal" somebody; they take them in a cosmic spaceship, of course; and please forgive our extraterrestrial brothers when they take somebody. They always bring him back, but they take people for two reasons: first, to cross them with people of other planets, because a New Root Race is being created; second, in order to study the abnormality of the terrestrial psyche.

They (the extraterrestrials) profoundly study the abnormal humanoids of the earth in the laboratory of their cosmic spaceship. Since the earthlings behave in a very weird way, they catch the attention of the entire cosmos: earthlings do not have harmony, do not have control of their words, of their vocabulary; they discuss any silliness, fight when there is no reason and so on.

Earthlings are so unusual that they produce astonishment in all the cosmos, so extraterrestrials have "stolen" many of them, and they will keep doing so to study them in their laboratories. They take them as “laboratory rabbits;" they take the terrestrials to study them with lenses, etc. Well, they are observed in order to see, to understand and I would say, to know all those psychic-physiological processes, the abnormalities. Later, they are taken back and left where they had been taken from.

But one cannot see these abnormal states when one thinks is wise within oneself.

You can be here reading these statements. Yes, I know that you are reading, but I am absolutely sure that you are not cognizant of what I am stating, and even though you are reading, you believe within yourselves that it is just another stupid statement from Loge!

There, in the depths of your psyche you think you are normal and I cannot condemn or criticize you for that.

So, only by knowing other humanities in the cosmos is how this pigmy-like humanity will realize its overwhelming ignorance!

Q1: Are Daemons and Lucifer really as evil as the bible makes out??

Lucifer was banished from heaven and imprisoned in hell because his views opposed the view of god. This was because God and his angels were more powerful.

History is written by the victorious and it is not necessarily the truth...

I have read the "Devil's Apocrypha - There are 2 sides of every story" and that has an interesting outlook, that contradicts the teachings of the bible.

If God created man... then why?...could it be that man is needed for God's very survival?

Does faith empower god?

Do we really have free will? If we don’t choose a "godly life" then we go to hell. Is that really free will???!!

yes, we have the will to freely choose what we want to believe

Do japanese demons count as bad? In folklore there, they're only powerful beings, not associated with hell or the devil like we think here.

Are punishment, trouble, mischief, and deception bad...?
There are some good Japanese demons though...

looks like we have a supporter of the devil in this thread

Who's the supporter? If you're saying me, I was just asking a question because I like Japanese folklore and culture and I'm Christian.

no not you

Are you a healer yourself or do you attribute the healing to whomever you are praying? (this is just an honest question, I have no problem with either scenario)

I think don't think there's really an agreed upon definition for demons. Some think of demons as fallen angles, some evil ghosts, the Bible itself categorized many illnesses as demonic. I think it all depends upon what you consider a demon.

Don't believe in demons or evil spirits, so I just have to say it's all superstition.

And I also really don't see how believing in aliens or ghosts leads one away from God. It's simply not logical.

demons are fallen angels

It just seems to come naturaly to humans to call things we don't understand 'evil'.

Just curious...how would one go about 'testing the spirits'? I look for 100% truth and anything else is just enough truth to lead one straight into a lie.

God gives us methods and information about how to test if a messenger is truely from him. It's all in his word, and it never steers you wrong, regardless of what you believe. A Spirit from god will never frighten you, scare you, lie to you, give a false message, or give a prophecy that isn't 100 true and accurate. If there is ever any further speculation, one must Pray to God to reveal his truth. He will.

It's not the things being thrown around a room I'm talking about, but more along the lines of healings and messages to forewarn a person of something.

Knowledge of the future changes the future. This is the essense of any warning, be it spiritual or not spiritual. God doesn't waste time giving us cryptic information, or information that we do not need. He is concise, and to the point. IF we do not understand something he is telling us, we are to pray, and wait on him for the answer. SOmetimes we might get a warning we were not meant to have, and change our actions accordingly, preventing us from some benevolent future event. Example: I recieve a message saying to stay off a certain freeway, or I will be involved in a terrible car accident. Well, what if I was meant to be in the car accident. What if I wasn't going to be injured in it. What if the other person involved was going to be severely inhured in it. What if I was the only person there capable to giving them resuscitation? What if the resuscitation suceeded, and I saved the persons life?

Think about it for awhile.

Now, think about this contrast: What if the person you saved would become a serial killer and slaughter innocent families?

Of couse, that's a little harsh, but you see the point I am making. One must be extremely EXTREMELY careful when recieving any spiritual message. Evil wears many masks, but none os dangerous as the mask or virtue.

Or take for instance those that have the ability to lucid dream at will or astral projection. This is also linked to the 'dark side' by many.

I have at least one lucid dream per night. It isn't something I have control over. However, astral projection is something a person has too seek fairly hard to achieve. I have never heard of any one who astral projects sontaineously. Lucid dreaming appears to be nothing more than a dream: a figment of our imagination. Astral; projection appears to be something alot more real. People tell stories of seeing foreign entities while projecting. One person even found an entity possesing her when she came back from projecting, and was ready to enter her body. She told it to get out, and it said no. This scared the hell out of her. Somehow, she managed to force it out, and willed hersel;f back into her body.

I believe the astral plain might be the level where angels and demons function. If this is true, we are forbidden by God to go there, for scripture strictly states we are not to seek to interact with angels or seek to communicate to them.


Dowsing for water is even called evil and of demons.

This I really couldn't say for sure. However, do some reasearch into dowsing, and I think you'll find it's history is quite colorful. Examine the people who practiced it, and their other activities.

My basic theory on dowsing involves magnetism, and lines of power. But who really knows?


I just don't understand why people spend so much time looking for the 'devil' that they miss the truth of many things that slap them right in the face. It's like, "If I don't understand it, I'm gonna say it's the devil." Just too much credit given to dark enties if you ask me when there are other explainations.

I fully agree with you. People often hate what they don't uinderstand, or are scared by it. Many people say "If I don't understand it, it's the devil."

But alot of other people say, "If I don't understand it, it isn't real".

This is the base reason many people give for not believing in God. It's also the base reason many people cannot progress in knowledge, because they refuse to study certain phenomena that are most likely natural, because they think it's "evil" or something.

Q1: Are Daemons and Lucifer really as evil as the bible makes out??

Lucifer was banished from heaven and imprisoned in hell because his views opposed the view of god.

Actually, Lucifer was only cast out of the upper reaches of heaven, and he has not yet been confioned to Hell. That will only occur after judgement day.

He wasn't banished because he opposed the views of God. Lucifer was the most powerful of the angels God created. He was the one of the most beautiful and powerful beings under God as well. Lucifer was basically "second in command". He was the highest Arch Angel, and had power over all the other angels. He became conceited, and decided that he wanted to become like God, that he wanted the glory that was going to God, to go to himself. He kept this a secret long enough to decieve many lesser angels into taking his side. He did go full forward in this plan until he had deceievd many angels. 1/3 of them to be exact. God had created these angels with a free choice in the matter, and allowed them to rebel against him. When Lucifer rebelled against God, God cast him out of the upper circles of heaven. Lucifer became the prince of our world. Man began to reject the teachings of God, and every time man did so, man gave Lucifer a little more power over him. Soon, most of Mankind had rejected God, and allowed Lucifer to have the dominet power over mankind's minds.

This was because God and his angels were more powerful.

God is more powerful than all the multitudes of angels combined. The angels strength themselevs lies in their allingment with God, and their greater numbers.

History is written by the victorious and it is not necessarily the truth...

And who has been the victor in our world I ask you? It has not been God,. It has been Lucifer. His teachings are much more prvalent in our world. If history truely is written by the victor, then it only makes sense that it is a bunch of lies, concocted by the father of all lies.

I have read the "Devil's Apocrypha - There are 2 sides of every story" and that has an interesting outlook, that contradicts the teachings of the bible.

Of course it would. Lucifer hates God. He wants to grieve God in any way he can.

If God created man... then why?

God created man so he would be able to have a true fellowship with another creature. This is why he created free will. You see, the angels only had one choice. They could not be forgiven after they fell from heaven. After they were seperated from God, that was it. Humans were made to be different. We were made to be able to be forgiven. To be able to fallf rom God, but get close to him once again. He did this to prepare us for heaven, so that when we get there, we will not make the same choice the angels made, and amn ourselves for eternity. He wanted to give man more chances then he gave the Angels. He also wanted man to be a different form of fellowship.

...could it be that man is needed for God's very survival?

God is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. He has no sense of survival, because he always is, and always has been. Nothing can challenge his authority, or his holiness.

Does faith empower god?

No, faith in God empowers US.

Do we really have free will? If we don’t choose a "godly life" then we go to hell.

God never intedned for us to go tp hell at all. Hell is essentially our seperation from God, which would manifest on the etherial plain as pain and suffering. God gave us the choice to reject him. He also gave us the choice to embrace him. Free will is only something that exists inside of our world, our relam, and our personal reality. It is a function of our material world. If we didn't have free will, we would have no choice of whether or not to go to heaven. But we do have free will. We can choose whether or not to follow God, and thus we choose weather or not we want to go to heaven or hell.

Some people would say that this means we don't have free will. Well folks, nothing is holding you back from turning to God other than yourself. God didn't make a singl;e one of us without the capacity to turn to him, no matter what our beliefs are, or how set we are in them. Don't argue that God made you an Athiest, or an evolutionist, because that's a paradox, and doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Is that really free will???!!

Yes.




I don't do any 'mumbo jumbo' stuff such as rituals. I just use my hands and I concentrate upon the area that I'm asked to pray for. In this concentration/meditation I am in constand prayer to the one I call the Prime Creator.


The Prime creator has a very speciffic name, and unless you use it, you are not praying to him. His name is Jesus Christ, Yahwea, and Yeshua. If we don't pray in the name of Jesus, regardless of whether or not our prayers are answered, the act was not one of the actual prime creator.

Masons worship what they cal;l the prime creator, but their teachings completely go against the teachings of God. Also, God tells us to pray in his name, and his name alone. He also tells us what his name is.

I ask for assistance from those I feel to be true Angels of Light, Love and Goodness.

All angels are angels of light. Lucifer himself appears as an angel of light. Infact, lucifer was the most beautiful of all the angels in heaven. Evil wears many masks, but none so dangerous as the mask of virtue.


I've shut myself down so much to 'spirit' ....and a big part of me feels guilty for this. I miss doing what comes naturally for me to do.


Spirit is difference from the spirit of God. We Should seek to close ourselves off from any spiritual influence other than that of the Holy Spirit.

for the first question.......simple


ignorence is bliss....


Way easier to point fingers at a target than to find out the real answer.


I agree with you Anson_Kail, it is ridiculous....I am not angry when I am told that kind of stuff, I just feel sorry for them


And seriously, If the devil really exist...why would he waste is time with so much stupid stuff. And to think of it, perhaps this is what he would want....People to say it is all is work.

Like people who are forbidden to read, because higher autorities does not wish them to find out the truth.


I apologize if I could have repeated something..I did not take the time to read all the thread

Oh my, Insight... oh my... truly frightening...

Do you not know before light there was darkness? And Lucifer was the befallen angel who metamophosized into a demon?

Do you not know that good and evil exist in this world?

And that day and night are of 12 hours?

Even when it comes to prophets, of course there are plenty af fakes.

But do you not know that the power of truth holds the good and the evil?

Can God not control evil and the goodness?

To me what can tell a true prophet is not by the proverbs he utters,

But by the Grace and compassion which he saves the mankind without distinction of religions nor countenance, saves himself without diablerie

Demons fell?
aka Aliens crash landed?
Or did they leave their planet over political issues and come here to live long before.... and then .....the 'others' created man in 'their' own image and dumped him down here to test him out?
Yep....superior Robots are all we are.......

are you saying that if we find out there is other life in the universe (aliens) that they were created by demons to trick us?

sorry, but that just sounds way too far outta here! You are reading far too much into things!

evil = that which we do not know to many
bad = that which we do not agree with to many

good/bad/evil are all relative. Think of it this way: take the person you consider to the most evil of all time. do you think that person thought of him/herself as evil? not likely. everyone thinks they are doing good. it is only from a differing perspective that the acts are evil.

it is easier to focus on the "opposite" of what we see as ourselves because of the contrast. If we were all white light, then how would one more white light stand out? A black light on the other hand would be distinctive.

*waves to Ansoon and sends her my love...oh yeah, sprinkles around fairy dust and shows her my sparkly, purple wand

Demons and evilness get all the credit because it is something that people fear. Every emotion stems from one of two - love or fear. Fear causes pain and people tend to not like pain, hurt, 'bad' feelings (unless they are experiencing their life this way). So they focus on the pain and not wanting to feel hurt. What people should focus on is the opposite, which is love, but ultimately it is a choice. I have decided to try very hard not to focus on fear and pain. Oh, good thing I went back and read the first post


Hmm, I think that demons, etc. are an escape goat. If something unusual, out of the ordinary, 'paranormal' (an example would be a miracle healing) happens I think that it would be of a higher power and I will never give demons the credit of that. Now people who are supposedly possessed by demons, that is a whole different story. Spells and witchcraft are often thought to be that of the 'devil' (take away the d and you get evil )
I think that it is a persons intention to cause fear, harm, etc. or to cause love, healing, etc. Either you are for love or you are for fear or both because with out the dark we wouldn't understand light. Many people have forgotten that we are light beings and they are stuck in the dark (blind),,,but everyone has the chance to experience everything. *crosses fingers in the hopes that she has already experienced being possessed by a demon doesn't wish to experience that
People who are labeled 'bad', evil, etc. because they claim to be psychic are misunderstood and again what people don't experience they never truly understand. There is no difference between a true psychic and a prophet. Both have a reason for being
Now that I've given my 6 cents ( )... I'll go to sleep knowing that I have made some sort of sense.
P.S. Hope you got my e-mail, I'll send more later...
in Light and Love, Me_Again

I don't know where the ability comes from, but I damn well beleive prophets can really see things(sp?).... Reason?

My girlfriend's cousin was at church with her one day when a prophet came to the church. She told my girlfriend's cousin that soon in the future she would get pregnant and have twins, one a girl and one a boy... She wasn't even pregnant at the time.... And guess what she has now.. A set of boy and girl twins O_o....

Now, I'm pretty skepticle when it comes to these kind of things, but uhhh, this one is true.

Zero I'm confused you are skeptical about a sense we all have ( we have 6 senses not 5) and yet you have by your own posts stated countless times that you beleive in the bible on faith, what is different (everyone is intuitive has a knowing,)

Me Again , great post Namaste Sheri

Eh, I never said I didn't beleive it, just a bit skepticle. I mean, the ones that claim they can see into the future when they please or what not. O_o.. It's just.... odd.


What's the 6th sense?

I can’t agree with you on this, and I apologize if I disrespect you or your beliefs, based on what I hold as the truth. Aliens are real, and as I said previously in another area, I have many experiences of the “unexplained” and they are as real as any of us and their existence doesn’t take away credibility of God, in fact it adds credence to his power.

As to why people blame many things on demons, I agree that many things are done via free will and yet there are times when demons are at work. Some people are so possessed with their own self-proclaimed “pathetic lives” that they conjure up a mentality that welcomes negative entities.

-Bob

Intuition

Mic 5:12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no [more] soothsayers:
There is only one way to the FARTHER and that is through Jesus.Angels cant act inpendently. They are under the direction of GOD.
Gen 24:40 And he said unto me, The LORD, before whom I walk, will send his angel with thee, and prosper thy way; and thou shalt take a wife for my son of my kindred, and of my father's house:

http://www.demonbuster.com/angels.html
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,


Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.


Deu 18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.


Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,


Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.


Deu 18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.


Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,


Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.


Deu 18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.


Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

If god was real, demons existed, and what not...wouldn't he of just destroyed them, disease, poverty, harm all together? Or leave us here to suffer from mudane conditions? It doesn't add up

Demons are knowledge carriers, they can be sent/recieved like a self-destruct letter. That is all the credit they need.

I so totally agree with that!!!! Good post.....

Good point given that God has destroyed wicked people (Great Flood).
Why didn't he just destroy demons as well while he was at it?

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Good point given that God has destroyed wicked people (Great Flood).
Why didn't he just destroy demons as well while he was at it?
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Ahhhh, Knowledge????

just another ploy to shove xianity down the world's throat