I put this on this board because of the myth of not cristianing a ship

I was recently reading a article on the Titanic that said she was never cristian before she sailed i know the myth if the bottle doesn't break the first time when it hits the ship its bad luck for the ship. So does this mean the Titanic Sink because she was never cristian at all? What are you thoughts?

Nah, I think it was because the pilot was stupid by not realizing he was sailing through ice feilds.

I also think the inventor of the Titanic's walls, because he said they were flood proof, yet he didn't test this method in any way he could think of.

No, the Titanic sank because her Captain was a moron.

no...they just hit an iceberg....i think that alot of people tend to say that because they want a scapegoat.

it's all a mentality thing...bottle does not break-so that is why it sinks...NOT TRUE

1) the titanic was carrying a rare eqyptian artifact said to be cursed when it crased. The object is yet to be recovered.

2) The titanic was one of 3 sister ships. One of them, cant remember the name, crashed in port, killing three workers aboard the ship. After being repaired it became a medical ship in WW1, and was sunk. Another, the britanic, was also sank, carrying supplys across the atlantic by a german u-boat.

I agree i think it was the inoring of ice warnings and that she was moving faster then shen made to with to small of a rudder she was to hard to turn.

Although there is one thing that did happen to the Titanic before she left port. on here way out of the harbor the wake of the titanic pulled a ship from its morings and all most hitting the titanic missing but inches. and durning construction a worker was steal inside the the hull dieing inside his body was never removed. So the Titanic claimed one life even before she was launched

So what rare Egyptian artifact isn't said to be cursed? Especially after a disaster occurs?

Regardless, there were so many factors, engineering, chemical, human, that all played a part in the tragedy, it would be pointless to try to single any one of the out. Although I would personally dismiss the curses and bottles.

The Three sisters you are Brittianic, Olympic, Titanic, and Oneanic i beleave that was the last sister name

It wasn't the Titanic that was hit by an ice berg and sank it was the Olympic, in a big insurance ploy.

It crashed because one of the people aboard, a maid i think, was a jynx. She was aboard the Titanic. She lived through this ordeal and then went onto one of the sister ships this one crashed into another boat but made it to shore where it was repaired then later on it crashed again and sunk. Yet again she lived and went to the third boat this one sunk but i'm not sure if she lived through this one though. I cannot remember her name or anything but i saw it on the historie channel.

whats the big deal with the Titantic? it just sunk. millions of ships have sunk, millions are going to sink. there were alot of strange coincidences (like the fact that at the second it hit the iceberg, they were playing a silent version of the film 'the Posiedon Adventure!) but thats all they were.......conincidences. us humans have a big view of ourselves, if we say a ship we built is 'unsinkable' its probably just our tremendous ego shining through.

There were a LOT of contributing factors to the sinking of the Titanic. This is just a partial list.

1) They were travelling too fast at night with limited visibility. The Captain wanted to slow down but the company owner was aboard and was determined to set a new speed record on the ship's maiden voyage.

2) The lookouts had no binoculars. They'd forgotten to load them when they were provisioning the ship.

3) The radio room received ice warning all day which, if they'd ever been analyzed, would have shown that the Titanic was sailing into a massive ice field. However, the radio at that time was not really a part of the ship, as in not connected to the bridge at all. Wireless existed merely as a convenience for the wealthy passengers, like the gymnasium and the hair salon. Some of the warnings were sent to the bridge, but there was no protocol for logging them and keeping track of them, and it's uncertain if they were even all read.

4) The "watertight compartments" in the hull were, in fact, not watertight at all. The walls only came partway up. The idea was that if one or two (I think even if three) of the compartments were breached, the walls would confine the water to that one little section and the bouyancy of the rest of the ship would keep it high enough in the water that the floodline would stay below the level of the walls. What they never counted on, though, was a long gash that would breach a string of compartments.

Other factors that added to the Titanic's sinking and the high death toll:

Since the gash in the hull let water pour into several compartments, it dragged the bow down in the water. The lower the bow sank, the more water came in. In addition, the heavy boilers began to tear loose and crash towards the front of the ship.

Another ship, the Californian, was easily within rescue range but just before the Titanic struck the iceberg the radio operator tried to send the Titanic an ice warning and the RO on the Titanic snapped at them for interrupting his commercial transmissions. Piqued, the RO on the Californian signed off, turned off his radio and went to bed.

A German ship which answered the Titanic's SOS and might have been close enough to help was re-buffed by the Titanic's senior RO (the same one who ticked off the RO on the Californian) because he was using a rival brand of wireless. (Yes, that RO went down with the ship.)

The Titanic only had enough lifeboats for about 2/3 of the people aboard and many of them were sent away nearly empty when the passengers refused to take the danger seriously.

The "cursed Egyptian artifact" was supposed to be a mummy, I believe of a princess. (A daughter of Amenhotep I perhaps?) I believe this is an urban legend, though, and no such artifact is listed on the bill of lading.

The Titanic's sister ships, I *believe* were the Brittainic and Oceanic. One of them eventually sank, however the one that served as a hospital ship did not and was eventually retired.

The Olympic, which was not a sister ship of the Titanic I don't think, is the one that had a worker sealed inside the hull. It's believed he was murdered by another worker and his body hidden there.

Wow! Long post! Sorry.

Long, but through and well-written. Good Job!

Sorry to be picky Olympic was Titanic's Direct Sister ship where built at the same time. Titanic, Brittanic, Oceanic and Olympic where all Olympic Class Ships. As for that worker it was the Titanic he was sealed in the hull. Sorry to be so picky its just that i did a 20 page report on her for my world history class in high school.

The Olympic was indeed the sister ship of the Titanic, however the worker in the hull was from a ship known as the Great Eastern, which had a series of bad luck events that did indeed cause many to believe she was cursed, culminating with the discovery of a welder and his young apprentice entombed in the double-hull on it's demolition.

Snopes: Hull of a way to die

There are so many urban legends connected with the Titanic...it's crazy. I don't think she was cursed. I think that the Titanic sinking was just a result of not taking precautions and driving way to fast through a maze of icebergs.

YES! The Great Eastern! That's what I was thinking of! Sorry, got my ships confused. Were there four sister ships then? I thought there were only three. Perhaps I heard there were three sisters to the Titanic and misunderstood that there were only three altogether.

Also, wasn't the Carapathia very similar? I remember reading (in A Night To Remember, maybe?) that it was traumatic for survivors of the Titanic to walk around on the Carapathia because the two ships were so alike and for that reason they were transferred to another ship for the trip on to NY, while the Carapathia stayed behind to search (unsuccessfully) for the other lifeboats and recover bodies.

Human error was to blame.

What I found interesting was a man released a novel about a ship called Titan? which hit an iceberg and sunk about 10yrs before the Titanic sailed.
That would probably be the only spooky thing to the Titanic story.

I've never heard this one before. Are you sure you're not thinking of "The Unsinkable Molly Brown"? She was a Colorado socialite who survived the sinkings of the Titanic and the Lusitania (and perhaps another one too?). She eventually died of old age.

Incidentally, the highest ranking surviving officer from the Titanic (I really had ought to know his name, but I can't for the life of me remember it!) was very young at the time -- 22 or 23? The reason he survived the sinking was because at the exact time she went down, he was working with a group of men to try to launch collapsible lifeboat D. The ship sank under them and a falling stack, which crushed some swimmers in the water, created a swell that pushed them away from the ship before the suction dragged them under. (Lightoller! His name was Bob Lightoller! I think I'm misspelling it, though. ) He took charge and kept them from sinking in the lifeboat, which was still partially collapsed, by having them stand on the gunwhales and shift their weight in unison on his commands. They were eventually taken off by another lifeboat, the only one which had someone aboard who knew about sailing.

Anyway, what I was going to tell you when I started this post was, this young officer, years later when he was retired, was one of the British civilians who took their private craft over and evacuated members of the BEF from the beaches at Dunkirk.

Here's some info in the titanic
Titanic's Sisterships

The book is called Futility, or the Wreck of the Titan by Morgan Robertson.

Wasn't the crew who were steering drinking too?

I don't believe in bad luck, I mean. there are ships that have sank even after they were christened. The Titanic would have sank even if it had been christened.

I never heard that one.

I believe Captain Smith was asleep at the time and First Officer Murdoch had the bridge. There's another of the "if onlys" from the Titanic story. I've heard modern engineers speculate that if they'd hit the iceberg head on instead of trying to swerve around it there would have been a terrible jolt to the ship and the passengers, but the damage would probably only have amounted to some popped rivets. At worst, they think, it would have floated long enough for everyone to be taken off before it went down.

As it was, the impact that ripped a gash into the side of the ship was so slight that many of the passengers didn't even notice it. Some of the ice from the 'berg fell onto the deck (the boat deck, maybe?) and some passengers there laughed about it and put it in their drinks.

you'll forgot this one.

before the voyage, the captain proclaimed "not even God can sink this ship"

the mummy was amun ra,

I'm posting the story which i received through e-mail sometime ago from my friend. I don't know how much of it to believe but an interesting read nevertheless.

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The Princess of Amen-Ra lived some 1,500 years before Christ. When she
died, she was laid in an ornate wooden coffin and buried deep in a vault at
Luxor, on the banks of the Nile.


In the late 1890s, four rich young Englishmen visiting the excavations at
Luxor were invited to buy an exquisitely fashioned mummy case containing
the remains of Princess of Amen-Ra. They drew lots. The man who won paid
several thousand pounds and had the coffin taken to his hotel. A few hours
later, he was seen walking out towards the desert. He never returned.


The next day, one of the remaining three men was shot by an Egyptian
servant accidentally. His arm was so severely wounded and had to be
amputated. The third man in the foursome found on his return home that the
bank holding his entire savings had failed. The fourth guy suffered a
severe illness, lost his job and was reduced to selling matches in the
street.


Nevertheless, the coffin reached England (causing other misfortunes along
the way); here it was bought by a London businessman. After three of his
family members had been injured in a road accident and his house damaged by
fire, the businessman donated it to the British Museum.


As the coffin was being unloaded from a truck in the museum courtyard, the
truck suddenly went into reverse and trapped a passerby. Then, as the
casket was being lifted up the stairs by two workmen, one fell and broke
his leg. The other, apparently in perfect health, died unaccountably two
days later.


Once the Princess was installed in the Egyptian Room, trouble really
started. Museum's night watchmen frequently heard frantic hammering and
sobbing from the coffin. Other exhibits in the room were also often hurled
about at night. One watchman died on duty causing the other watchmen to
quit. Cleaners refused to go near the Princess too.


When a visitor derisively flicked a dust cloth at the face painted on the
coffin, his child died of measles soon afterwards. Finally, the authorities
had the mummy carried down to the x-udment. Figuring it could not do any
harm down there. Within a week, one of the helpers was seriously ill, and
the supervisor of the move was found dead at his desk.


By now, the papers had heard of it. A journalist photographer took a
picture of the mummy case and when he developed it, the painting on the
coffin was of a horrifying, human face. The photographer was said to have
gone home then, locked his bedroom door and shot himself.


Soon afterwards, the museum sold the mummy to a private collector. After
continual misfortune (and deaths), the owner banished it to the attic. A
well known authority on the occult, Madame Helena Blavatsky, visited the
premises. Upon entry, she was seized with a shivering fit and searched the
house for the source of "an evil influence of incredible intensity."


She finally came to the attic and found the mummy case. "Can you exorcise
this evil spirit?" asked the owner. "There is no such thing as exorcism,"
she said. "Evil remains evil forever. Nothing can be done about it. I
implore you to get rid of this evil as soon as possible."


But no British museum would take the mummy; the fact that almost twenty
people had met with misfortune, disaster or death from handling the casket,
in barely ten years, was now well known.


Eventually, a hardheaded American archaeologist (who dismissed the
happenings as quirks of circumstance), paid a handsome price for the mummy
and arranged for its removal to New York. In April 1912, the new owner
escorted his treasure aboard a sparkling, new White Star liner about to
make its maiden voyage to New York.


On the night of April 14, amid scenes of unprecedented horror, the Princess
of Amen-Ra accompanied 1,500 passengers to their deaths at the bottom of
the Atlantic. The name of the ship was the Titanic.

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You really have many strange theories about the Titanic,
I really hated that movie, Yug....

I also heard that if they sailed straight ahead of the iceberg they probably would split the iceberg and sail happily through it.
probably another one of those theories, who aren't true.

Sorry, but it was obviously the Captain's fault. How can you miss a giant bloody iceberg sticking up out of the water heading straight for you?

I concur that the Titanic movie did indeed suckaroo. Would have been much cooler with vampires and leprechauns.

i think its safe to say that not christening a ship with a bottle, would be the cause of the sinking. put it this way....how many people have read stories of christening a ship in ancient times...i would be gobsmacked to learn that the people that ancient peoples threw bottles at their reed boats to make sure they could go fishing

They didn't miss it. That was the problem.

But seriously, it was pitch black, they were travelling way too fast (against the captain's wishes) and, as I said, the lookouts had no binoculars.

And the mummy story, Bone Collector, is almost certainly urban legend. I think I have heard before that it was Amon Ra, but I've also heard that it was one of the daughters of Amenhotep I. I'm also not certain it's true that the captain said, "not even God can sink this ship".

And, of course, White Star Line made sure to point out afterwards that they never said the Titanic was unsinkable. I'm not sure what the loophole was, but what they actually said was something like, "*virtually* unsinkable". It was also two or three days after the sinking before they admitted to the death toll. In the first reports sent to New York they claimed that everyone had been transferred off and in later reports they acknowledged only "minimal" loss of life.

No, I don't believe that would have been possible. The iceberg towered over the ship and, remember, ninety percent of an iceberg is below water. They would have come to a crashing, jarring halt, and undoubtedly everyone on board would have been tossed around quite a bit. The structural damage wouldn't have been as bad though.

They actually glanced off the iceberg, scraping against an underwater outcropping of ice as the tried to slow and swerve around it. It was the length of the gash, more than anything, that sealed their fate.

so since the bottle didn't break and went to the captain instead, the titanic was carrying a rare eqyptian artifact said to be cursed, and a maid was a jynx the titanic sank. just doesn't qite add up to why it sank...like i said it's a mentality thing...as you read our threads it is evident...

Ironically enough, if they had gone to full speed ahead, they would have been able to get more water past their rudder and effect a faster turn. By slowing down, and with a rudder already at the smallest effective size, they simply didn't get the power needed to turn the massive ship.

interesting...

Thanks! I knew there was something bad about them slowing down, but I couldn't remember what it was exactly. I also heard something a few years ago about modern stress tests suggesting the metal used might have become more friable in the very cold water, but I never heard if they decided whether that was so or not.

Do you ever play the "what if" game about the Titanic? I mean, "what if I found myself back on the Titanic with my current knowledge, but only the resources that were actually there? What could I do?"

I just did something on this at school, and this one book said something about it tried to turn, but something about the angle they were turning made the collision much larger.

Yes, but if the captain hadn't ordered for the doors of the engine rooms to be sealed the water wouldve evened itself out and the ship wouldv'e stayed afloat longer, instead of what really happened; The ship tips one way and breaks in half.

Where did you get that?

From the movie (I'm guessing).

The titanic is the resualt of the arrogance of man. "The unsinkable ship." Every time we get too overconfidant in our own abilities, divine intervention shows us otherwise.

Well, I won't call it divine intervention, but the Titanic was indeed the death knell for the Industrial Revolution. We cut back our advance much more after than rather humbling reality check.

In regards to the metal on the Tintanic, what was discovered about the metal is that the sulfur content of the iron was beyond anything that would be allowed by todays safety standards. Unfortunately, back then, it wasn't something to look for. The excess sulfer had the effect of making the metal much more brittle than normal.

As to what I would do if I were on board the liner on that fateful night: I would swipe the expensive clothing from one of the first class passengers, affect the most pretentious accent in my arsenal, and approach the bridge with a "I say, Captain, I can't help but notice a rather large iceberg directly ahead of us. You can't see it? Ah, well, yes I admit to being rather keen of sight, eh? Fantastic for the hunt, you know? Perhaps the forward watch should train his sight straight ahead, if he hasn't a looking glass with him?"

Good one!

But what if you didn't pop into that time frame (or whatever you want to call it) until just as they actually hit?

I've wondered if lowering something large over the side above the gash might have slowed the inrush of water long enough for the Carapathia to arrive. You know, something like the hood (or bonnet, if you prefer ) from that car down in the hold?

Of course, metal plates would have been better, if they had any available.

And how about getting a gun from one of the officers and shooting the padlock off the gate between steerage and the boat deck? It was still in place, you know, when Ballard found the wreck.

I'm not sure but i saw it on the Discovervie or History channel, I don't remember which though.

I read somewhere that the Titanic had a cursed mummycase on board when she sank. The guy who bought it was taking it to a museum in America. Apparently a lot of people who came into contact with the mummycase died very suddenly, kinda like the Valentino ring.

*dies laughing* I can really imagine you doing that, aquatus. With a monacle and a cane, too.

i watched a program about the titanic the other month, it was saying that many people believe that the titanic never sunk, but instead its sister ship the olympic sunk, its was quite interesting....

they put these claims down to many photos of the titanic actually being of the olympic as not many photos of the titanic actually exist, before it sunk...

a good chance it was!

if you insist on dragging these old topics up again, can you please atleast add something to the topic, i mean new information or something....

Your wrong and right

The Titanic was sunk by hitting a ice berg by improper navigating and such, the Olympic, one of Titanic's sister ships sailed alot of nice cruises, never sank, in WW1 it was used as a battle ship to carry troops and supplys, it never did sink, eventually it was scraped, the Britanic the last sister ship of the titanic mysteriously sank near the coast of a island, it wasnt a war ship of any way but people believe that a torpedo or a mine sank it.

The Titanic was carrying a valuable cargo - an Egyptian mummy. It was the body of a prophetess who lived during the reign of of King Tut father in law, Amenhotep IV. An ornament found with the mummy bore the spell: "Awake from the dream in which you sleep and you will never triumph over all that is done against you."

Due to its value the mummy was not to be carried in the liners hold, but in a compartment behind the bridge, on which the captain stood.

And the process to create the steel used in the Titanic left the steel incredibly brittle. The gash should never have been as big as it was, but it kept expanding.