why is it that people are so willing to beleive in god but have a hard time beleivin in our big friend the sasquatch?
if u think about it almost every culture has its religion and almost every culture has its version of sasquatch (yeti, big foot, skunk ape, yowie and the northern abominable snowman...and there are others) the diference between the 2 is that in every culture religious beleifs change...but the sasquatch story remains the same...


ps. i beleive the abominable snowman is a sasquatch as well.

No, what's hard to believe is that people will believe in evolution but not in big foot. I mean, big foot would be an evolutionary "missing link" right? I personally believe in God and big foot but it trips me ot that those who believe in evolution but not in big foot. It would seem logical, but I guess not.

ya...im not saying people shouldnt beleive in god...im just saying its crazy that more people are willing to beleive in god than are willing to beleive in sasquatches...and yeah, evolutionists who dont beleive in sasquatch are crazy as well...crazy world we live in

God requires an element of faith, it is religion. Noone requires you to believe in God based on science. Evolution is based on scientific evidence, there are enough fossil evidence to proof that Evolution is a sound SCientific theory. Bigfoot requires ppl to believe in it based on Scientific evidence, no Scientific evidence supports bigfoot. Do you really want to believe in Bigfoot based on faith?

The "war" between science and religion will never end.It's inevitable.I go by science,cause i like to know facts,and science interests me.I don't like religion,because everything is unsure with maybe's and if's.I just prefer science

i beleive in bigfoot because of sightings, and facts...i beleive in evolution because of facts...

That's right,cryptozoology and the paranormal is based on proving it is real,with facts.It's cool to see that we have the same outlook on this

Who knows bigfoot could have been made up or possibly real, but god could have been made up too, all things have to start somehow, there has to be a beginning, just somethings end up being real because of evolution, i also would take the scientific way instead of the religious gossip...

But the problem is that the sightings are not proven to be real! I would like to believe in the Bigfoot but i've got to say there isn't really good evidence. Tooo many fakers .

Yeah,there is a lot of fakes,but i am STRONGLY interested in cryptozoology,therefor,i like wondering about these creatures.Also,another big question...What if the bible was made up?Maybe by a good author.Where is proof that this actually happened?There isn't any.At least with cryptos,there may be evidence of their existence from some pics that are still unclassified...

people have new bibles coming out every day, yet they claim that they came from some old scripture or newly found scroll, but these bibles are written just like a series of books they only differ in a few ways and there is no way to prove that any of this happened like you said, but there is evidence that there are possible that alot of the cryptos exist, probably not all of them because some people take a sighting of one and make a fake for something they didn't even see, you'd be more likely to see a crypto than god...

Agreed

i find the bible hard to beleive because it is a book and there is no proof...for all we know the bible could have been writtin as a story, its like if civilization as we know it was wiped out and in the future races found something like the lord of the rings they would probably either think WE beleived in it (we as in primitive races) or they woul think it was scriptures of a god... cryptozoology has proof behind it and i like that...even though there isnt alot of proof...

Very true...

The Bible is made up! Its written by many ppl that is why certain parts of the New Testament contradicts itselves. Btw there the Bible as we know it was compiled by the council of Nicene by the Catholic chuch from different letters and Gospels. They chose the parts they like. I can't be 100% sure about my info but that was the main gist of it. WEll the problem is there is less Scientific evidence for God than Bigfoot but for Chrissake its a Religion!!! Its nonscientific!

Hmmm im thinking Divine miracles doesn't indicate the Christian God. Maybe its Krishna! Or Allah! Just like if we encountered a hairy beast in the middle of nowhere we can't really call her Bigfoot, could really be the Yowie.

Yeah,basically,there is much more proof of cryptos rather than religion stuff like god.Scientific stuff is just so much clearer,makes more sense,and is enjoyable

Personally, I believe in God. It's just a matter of how I interpret things that have happened in my life. But that doesn't necessarily mean that I believe everything in the Bible is literally true or that any one organized religion is absolutely right in their interpretation. I think you have to sift through it for wisdom and remember that it was written by human beings and humans are fallable. It's always amazed me how often throughout history people have used the Bible as a justification for killing people when the one part of the Bible that is supposed to have been actually written *by* God is the Ten Commandments, and one of them says explicity, "thou shalt not kill"! It doesn't say, "thou shalt not kill unless . . ."

Sorry. Off my soap box. <g>

I don't know about Bigfoot. I'll be glad to believe in him as long as he stays well away and leaves me alone.

That's also a common view to believe in god,and not much else,and questioning the bible.I think the bible is just a story made up by a good author,even though i have never read the bible,as it seems to boring...

I completely agree! I've tried reading the Bible, just so I'd know what my friends are jabbering about when we get into a religion conversation. I stopped after the first few pages. Too many Thy's, and from what I saw, too much inbreeding.

And about the evolution vs. religion thing, I don't know what to believe. Right now, I'm more of an evolutionist who believes that every God and Goddess might exist. But I'm still researching, still changing my mind, still developing my opinion on all of this.

Not me, I beleive in Bigfoot but have a hard time beleiving in gods




Not necessarily, most experts beleive that its a member of the Gigantopithicas line, and so a closer relation to Orangotauns rather than humans. We wont know what ape line he's a part of until we find one.

I agree mostly with this statement, which is nicely put. Science is a newer more western thought, and is based on assumptions. I mean, science is based on testing theories, and by doing such tests, you try and produce a statistically satifactory conclusion. The problem is them with everything in scinece, nothing is a proven fact, it's all just based on statistics. There is still a remote chance that every expirement ever done is wrong. The chances are insanely small, but they are still there. So in the end, science is based on assuming that staticaly significant occurances are abosultely true, when in fact they have never been proven to be 100% true. Not to bash scinec or anything, I'm just pointing out that science has it's flaws like people's interpretations of religion do. Like Elfstone810 said, people kill in the name of religion and do a lot of other things in religion's name, yet the actual religious teachings are against what they are doing. Religion has become way too divided, cuase basically all religions are saying the same thing. Diffirent people are saying the same thing in different ways. Not to bash anyone's religious preference, I'm just saying that people of different religions have a lot more in common than most people would think. So as for me, I belive in God because I have faith in my beliefs, and I beieve a lot of things in science based on my faith in it. Religion is based on faith in things not seen, science is based on faith in statistics. No matter how you look at it, you need faith believe in both.

That assuming is almost impossible to debunk. It is as good as 100% real. And if it isn't we try again and get another step closer. Thus working out some minor flaws.



But religion has so much more flaws. Science is much clearer, with facts and proof.



Then why does every war involve religion?

the whole 'war' between science and religion is ridiculous. neither should be opposed to the other. the only times science and religion clash is when some person is trying to accept one, but not the other. it seems to me that you cant do well with science if you dont have religion and you cant do well with religion without science. its like having only half a pair of glasses; you need both halves to see clearly. thats how it seems to me.

That is because most religious people are to stubborn to accept science (evolution theory).

And People who believe in the evolution theory are wandering ''why religion'' because how can you know which religion is good and which isn't.

I even once was send out of class because our teacher said that I couldn't be happy because I didn't believe in God.

Then I said ''There are more then 100 religions, how can you know that you have the right one''.
And I was send out of class.

But the best (also saddest part) was that his wife died of cancer, I then thought ''really and who is now happy''. But nevertheless I still condolated him.

Religious people don't belive the evolution theory because when we look at it, we see the faults in it, much like when people who believe in evolution look at religion and see the faults in it. Religious people have faith in their religion, and non-believers think that religious people are crazy because they don't see how religion answers anything. The only reason why they don't see how religion answers anything is because they don't have faith in any religion. God only makes Himself evident to those who believe in Him. I believe in Him because He has made Himself evident in my life. See the cycle there? belief=evidence=belief.

The vast majority of religious people that I have met and know believe in evolution. I have met more creationists on this site than in any other place I have ever been too. The only thing that bothers non-believers about creationists is when they claim that belief and physical evidence are the same thing. Evidence is a scientific thing, not religious. If you claim that it is evidence, then it must meet the requirements of evidence, and very little of creationist's data does that. Evidence does not rely on faith, or on one's desire to believe. Evidence is imperical and objective, and it can be seen and understood, although not necessarily agreed with, by any person, regardless of faith, bias, or convictions.

In regards to Sasquatch, I do not believe in him simply because every culture has pretty much the same type of legend about a hairy humanoid creature, and to date only one has been confirmed to be real. To me, this indicates more a certain universal aspect of the single human psyche, as opposed to hundreds of convergent evolutionary threads actively existing and yet defying all attempts at categorization, or even, for that matter, discovery. But then, Zoology is one of the fields with the highest requirements for evidence; nothing short of a living specimen will be enough for the zoological community.

There is no scientific evidence to offer that either of the two exist. Though there is the nature of thought which leads us to ask us "why are we here"? This is where the thought of god came into play, to answer that greatest of question. Now, the nature of thought leads us to ask "was that dark anomolie I saw last night some sort of bipedaling primate that holds true as the missing link"?

LOL! Now I have the mental image of Bigfoot on a bicycle!

Religion doesn't make cures for all the diseases of this world, it does not save lives, it merely attempts to take your mind off of reality, the true nature of the world, it corrupts people with its words of wisdom making people think that they are too good for anything but the best. When in fact it just makes them commit the greatest sins of the bible. Science and evolution are the key things in life that keep us going, helping us too create the life-saving cures to the most deadliest of diseases, these are the things that will eventually rid us of diseases such as aids and cancer, which we have been batteling for years, if we believed in god instead, where would we be...Waiting for it to come save us? Wondering if it would really come, or if it really heard our prayers, is all it does is take lives not save them.

I don't think it's as simple as religion and science being two separate things. I don't have this entirely clear in my own mind, so forgive me if it's a bit foggy when I explain it, but this is something I've been thinking about.

There was an experiment in Canada (I believe) many years ago where a group of researchers "created" a ghost named Philip. They all got together and made up a history for him, and a personality, and then they set out to contact him. During the course of their experiment they got unexplained rappings and ouija board messages and even apparitions of Philip, even though they made him up. There are also stories of people in Tibet or somewhere creating "thought forms" called Tulpas by concentrating on them for a long time and the apartment building where author Lamont Cranston wrote the Dark Shadow stories was said to be haunted by a figure that bore a striking resemblance to this fictional character.

These examples are usually used as an arguement against the reality of ghosts, but think about it. If a few people could create things like these by believing, how could the belief of millions fail to produce *something*. Maybe we really do make our own luck, or whatever you want to call it.

I believe in scientific inquiry, but I think reality is so much more complex than we can even begin to envision that empirical science barely scratches the surface.

do you have a source or proof for this so called experiment to create a ghost?

Yes, but the thing is that that experiment did not create an actual ghost named Phillip, but rather the illusion of a ghost named Phillip. It was all in the minds of the creators. Similarly, selling a perfectly new house with a completely fictional ghost story will inevitably conclude in new ghosts stories being generated by the inhabitants. This is a universal aspect of the mind; the creation of explanations for perfectly normal scenarios.

In other words, it is far more likely that these two seperate groups, the ghost people and the Tibetans, visualize and justify these creations in their minds, which is a psychological phenomena that is viewed and studied daily by hundreds of psychologist throughout the world, than to conclude that they are creating some sort of paranormal personality out of their desire, a phenomena that has never been recorded, nor that coincides with any property of any energy yet discovered in the world of physics.

One is something that happens daily. The other is something that has never be precedented. Science would choose the first.

Yes, but there have been instances where people other than those who created them saw/experienced the products of these experiments. And in the case of the Dark Shadow, it was seen by people who had no connection with the book at all.

It's only a theory, but I've noticed that if you expect bad things to happen they do and if you expect good things to happen they do. Maybe we really do make our own luck. Or maybe all these things are real, in some sense, and our attitude dictates what we call to us.

Or something.

And, Devilwolf, it's a pretty well-known story if you read a lot about parapsychology. I'll Google and see if I can find a link.

Philip Link

Here's one. If you Google "Philip Ghost Experiment" there are lots more.

you all make some good points... but something thats still bugging me is people who KNOW the bible contradicts itself but still stand by it like their lives depend on it.... beleive me they dont...

I have a lot of respect for people who live their lives according to their faith. What worries me is people who try to live *other* people's lives according to their faith.

Actually, there may not be that big of a war against religion and what we call science... Depending on how you interpret the Bible, sightings like the "chariots of fire" very well may have been beings from another world.. IF you ever watched Mission to Mars, (i think that's the movie) where they are put in a white room and then shown how Martians left that nasty, baked rock... the thought of us being an alien species isn't so far fetched... especially with the technology we have today... Unfortunately, we are to the Earth what zebra mussels are to the Great Lakes... a nuisance species... The Earth is what, 3.5 billion years old? To all, I say "Look at the big picture..." Our world is huge to an ant.. this same world was small to a dinosaur.. I don't know if I'm getting my point across... I'm gonna go clean my fish tank now and drink... Happy New Year!!! Did you ever wonder how many civilizations may have lived on this planet beyond what we can find in our soil? Remnants that have already been turned into molten rock from being pushed down into the Earth? Possibly from the weight of the dinosaurs? Why aren't the dinos in the Bible? That pissed me off in Bible study.. no one could answer my questions...

Not necessarily, no.

Bigfoot might not even be native to Earth for all we know ....

Personally I believe Elohim(god) created bigfoot to help them monitor the Earths atmosphere ...

Bigfoot may enter our dimension collect the data and then leave as quietly as it came ....

We must remember that no bones or lairs have ever been discovered ... What are the chances of no evidence ever being collected ?

Zero .. Considering the number of sighting probably number in the hundred of thousands ...

Maybe because the authors of the bible did not know dinosaurs existed and those who inspired the writing of the bible felt it unnecessary to fill them in on it ?

Of course, some thumpers claim they are mentioned in Genesis ...

Creationism pisses me off as well even though I am a Christian .

People have spotted big foot,yeti etc and still people out there nock it.

Cant remember the last time any one spotted god

Is this a serious question? The chances are actually very good that something's still out there, regardless of what has or hasn't been collected...allow me to outline the facts to you.

- There has, to date, never been an extended, properly funded expidition to find bigfoot. Enthusiasts have managed to to scrape together the money to head out with some equipment for a few days, sometimes even a week or two, but there has never been an investigation undertaken in the spirit of a genuine search for a new animal by the scientific community. Bigfoot has yet to be found, because it's yet to be properly looked for.

- 99% of the time, people who are traveling in forests will be traveling along game trails. These trails will be along such a tiny fraction of the forest that encounters between man and bigfoot will be incrediby rare. For that matter, bigfoot, being a primate (and thus very intelligent), may in fact know to avoid these trails.

- Hair samples, and stool samples, have actually been found...let alone the vast number of footprints.

Bigfoot isn't a ghost, people It's left a great deal of evidence of itself behind...in fact, we have more evidence for the existance of bigfoot than we do for some animals that are actually accepted as being out there. There's more evidence for bigfoot's existance than any other crypid by far.

You address me as if I do not believe in bigfoot?

You speak only of your self centered World my friend ... Man has been around longer than the bigfoot enthusiast, as you put you ....

NEVER has a bone or lair been stumbled upon by any man ...And as for footprints or tracks, face the real fact, they disappear ... NEVER leading anywhere.

You have absolutely no proof bigfoot is a primate,, yet you call this a fact?

Now I ask you, are you serious?

Show me the proof of what you speak .....

When you stop and calculate the true facts you will come to the conclusion that bigfoot is not of this World, he merely passes through....

You don't believe in bigfoot...you believe in some kind of mythological, dimension hopping, phantom.



True...and the natives of north america have had legends about bigfoot, or sasquatch, for thousands upon thousands of years. What's your point?



True, bones or lairs have never been discovered...but why is that such a surprise? As I've already pointed out to you, most expeditions into any given forest occur on game trails...do you expect bigfoot to just wander onto one and die, just so we can find it?

It's actually very rare indeed to find remains of anything in an environment like the one in which bigfoot lives. Even if you don't take the iscolation into consideration (as you obviously havn't), then between the humidity and various scavangers and insects, the body would be gone in a few hours...and one set of cracked and bare bones look much the same as anything else lying in the foliage.

As for the tracks, it's also quite rare to be able to follow the tracks of an animal directly to its lair. The animal moves off the beaten trail, or simply moves so deep into the forest it is either too dark, or to dense for a person to follow. This is quite normal...studies of other primates in the world have met this same sticking point over and over - Jane Goodall frequently voiced her frustration about it in her books. These animals belong in the forest, we do not



Based on every peice of evidence we have, it is very likely indeed bigfoot is a primate...in fact, if bigfoot exists, it most certainly IS a primate. The footprints indicate that, every sighting indicates that. If it's not a primate, then I don't honestly know what you think it is



Not only am I serious, I think I know more about bigfoot than you do



You know, I've been that these forums for a long time now...and I've read some things that have made me have to try really, really, reeeeeeeeaaally hard not to laugh...but oh my god...

You want me to show you the proof for what I'M saying!?

Guys, remember... only recently, a whole new species of ape was found in Africa...

Yes...the gorilla, also, was told to white men for about forty years before anyone saw one. The local natives knew about it (just as they knew about sasquatch), but they weren't believed.... In fact, I'm not sure it wasn't a good deal longer

many people beleive in this as well...a few people i know including my cousin who is native, beleive that sasquatch is a world/demension hopping being... im more partial to the ape theory though. but it is acceptable to beleive your explanation just as it is exceptable to believe in god... but just because u beleive...doesnt make it true

I also beleive in god and bigfoot and many other cryptids....

oh yah and hey... lots of facts in the bible have been proven to be true and if you really compare biblical stuff to scientifical(if thats a word) Stuff they coenside alot...like the order of how things were created... if you go and look at that it could actually let you beleive in many of the science stuff maybe no the thing that we were made from monkey and yet possibly...like evolutionary stuff goes in the same order as creation....prettymuch not as detailed but its there i feel so nerdy now..oh well everyone hates me so who cares

i dont hate you...and your opinion on here is just as important as n e one elses. and i also know what you are talking about how some of the bible has been proven to be true but the bible stretches the truth.



are you referring to god as a cryptid?

i too believe in things based on facts and sightings. I have heard of us not believing in gorrilas, but after they were discovered we did not believe that the silver backs existed for a long time, in this i think our belief/non belief in bigfoot lies, in the case of the gorrila we were told it existed but claimed it as untrue, same goes with sasquatchs, people report sightings everyday. i ask one question.... if the Gigantopithecus blacki exested in asia but 300,000 years ago why could it not have evolved into todays bigfoot, much like we have continued to exist?