There's enough against the photo for anyone with common sense to know that it is fake. And a pleiosaur that looks like a tadpole... please.

Alright,i'll just go along and say it's fake to avoid further arguing.

Why do you keep asking the same question over and over?Can you not read?Apparently not.And once again,nomatter what you say,i do not have to listen to you.

Alright, but you shouldn't ignore reasonable explanations.

i did always love this photo....

but i have no idea if its proof of sea monsters/serpents...etc...

I'm not ignoring them,i do listen,and i do respect other opinions

Btw,me too Halo

Sure you listen to them! I proved that the so call "nessie carasses" was a BASKING SHARK! I CAN'T believe that a MARINE BIOLOGIST would throw all hard fact out of window and follow after their own fantsany! I am glad my major, Anthropology don't do a such thing. Also you hardly show any capability of doing a research!

I can't believe how bad your grammar is Anyway,keep goin,you're headin for report #5

-_- Oh God, this thing is still here? And Rott still think's it's a giant Plesiopole? Rott, IT'S A HOAX. If you're waiting for abesolute evidence, then you'll be here for quite a while. It's called CRYPTOzoology because of a LACK of said evidence. In Cryptozoology, a reasonable amount of doubt equates to pretty near absolute proof for other things.

Nah,i've given up on this 'creature'.I've been thinking about people's theories,and i think they make more sense than this 'creature'

That was insensetive of you.... Whether you agree with him or not... what the hell does his grammar have to do with anything? And why report him for that? For disagreeing with your oppinion, for stating his views, and for making a comment about his college major? Don't be so thin skinned.... Take a deep breathe and stop reporting people for disagreeing. If you think that is a report-worthy activity, then maybe you need to look at the fact that we're on a message board with many different people each possessing different oppinions.

Sorry if I seem to be going on too much about that... but I was thrown by your responce to a simple reply.

His replies from other threads have been downright rude,And the mods say to try to stop the bickering and constant arguing,so i told him to stop,he didn't,so i did what the mods said by reporting him so he will stop.

If you don't agree with him you get reported for any post. Fair huh. Some people can only believe their own theories even if they not realistic.

Meh,all that stuff is sorted out now anyway.

cool.

Does anyone also realize that these "wounds" are most likely just from the 'bending' of light on the water from the angle that the pic was taken,the ripples,and the speed that it was moving may also have distorted the look of this creature underwater.I heard that there was a video taken of this creature(vid underwater)but it didn't come out well at all,didn't help much really,so it was discarded.Does anyone know of this vid,or where it can be found?

I thought of that. Plus the water is largley in motion so that would account for the bent image.

Rott, do you realise many skeptics are joining this thread without reading it just to harp on about your beleiveing? I definatley think this thread will be closed soon.

And like i said earlier, theres no real evibdence that this image is a fake, only an experts oppinion.

True.

Rottweiler, you seem to be the leader on the subject so...

Have any other pictures of the same creature surfaced? I've searched for them through a number of engines but haven't found any other than the two in this thread.

CR... that is fake! Do you honestly think the man in that rowing boat would be smiling and pose for a picture if such creature is closeby?! Also why are there only one picture and only one color on the creature? This is the reason everyone is starting to pick on you!

lol, how can he be a leader on the subject when he's wrong in just anbout everything he posts that is cryptoid-related... hell even length related.

Richdog, if you have nothing helpful or intresting to add to the topic, why do you bother posting? I suggest that in less you have something to add to the thread you don't post in it, because all you seem interested in is knocking Canadian. I was asking someone who I respect as somewhat of an expert on the subject a question, I was not asking you to comment on the question.

It can't be found anywhere.


No real evidence? Here's evidence for you. His friends said he planned on making a lot of money off a "Sea Serpent." Alright? If you are too blind to realize there is too much against this picture, ignore the professionals, and even the testimony than you have a problem. This picture is fake. How this thread continues with people still believing it's real is beyond me!


I agree with Richdog on this one.

Walken, your just ignoring the blatantly obvious to satisfy some fantasy you have that a creature like this one could exist.

Yeah? Well no ones showed me any information to suggest otherwise yet.

And when you say you agree with richdog, are you saying that you should be able to join a topic just to knock onw of the people posting in it?

Alright, since you don't read anything I'll give you something that suggests otherwise. There are problems with the photo, and expert opinions say this is fake, I'll prove you with proof that this was fake, alright?

First read all of the links I provided.


So you're done reading? OK, now this proof you want to see that tells us is fake on what you've read. I'll bold it for you:

Well, It turned out Le Surrec was wanted by Interpol for leaving France in 1960 with a lien on his yacht and for stealing funds put up by sailing companions. He had told them he had an idea on how to make a lot of money and it had to do with a "sea serpent".

When Le Serrec finally went back to France in 1966, he got 6 months in jail. His photo was published in Paris Match magazine who misquoted Ivan T. Sanderson and another expert as saying the photograph was real. The magazine never printed a retraction, but a rival magazine exposed it as the hoax it was.

It is fake.

I already read all that; none of it proves it is fake. It points to the fact that its a likley fake, but doesnt prove it. If you'd understood my origonal response neither of us wouldv'e had to constantly repeat ourselves. I also notice you're ignoreing my response to your aggreement with richdog.

It proves it's fake because he planned on making a Sea Serpent.


I have to because you still don't realize how fake it is.

It's sad really.


(I'm not ignoring it, I didn't feel a response was necessary because I said I agree with Richdog already. There was no need to repeat it).

I agree with him because it looks as though we have to not act as nice to the both of you because of how stubborn you are. There is nothing for this photo, only against.

Wow.

Once I planned on makeing a space ship. I was ten.

I saw a space rocket on the news when I was 11.

I didn't make it.

I'm not stobbourn, just considor that theres NO CONCLUSIVE evibdence to suggest this picture is a fake. It's LIKLEY its a fake, but not certain.

Theres also nothing for the creation theory, but that doesn't stop people beleiveing it.

Open your mind.

Keep reading it. You'll get it... eventually.

"Well, It turned out Le Surrec was wanted by Interpol for leaving France in 1960 with a lien on his yacht and for stealing funds put up by sailing companions. He had told them he had an idea on how to make a lot of money and it had to do with a "sea serpent".

When Le Serrec finally went back to France in 1966, he got 6 months in jail. His photo was published in Paris Match magazine who misquoted Ivan T. Sanderson and another expert as saying the photograph was real. The magazine never printed a retraction, but a rival magazine exposed it as the hoax it was."




My eyes are open, not blindfolded!

Just keep reading the posts prior to this one.

Then maybe you'll get it.

I quote BurnSide:

I'm 14. That doesn't make my claims outrageouse. Perhaps my claims are outrageouse, but not because I'm 14. What you and Burnside are doing is disciminateing a paticular age group, useing them as a scape goat. Did we ever claim we knew best? No. If you want a 13-14 year old who IS as you describe search 'Aliens' in the Et board and look for the topic of that title. Until then your arrogance, ignorance, and blatant disrespect for fellow UM members.

I think it is you who is under the illousion that you know best. You constantly argue that the picture is fake, despite the fact that we constantly remind you that there is no evibdence to conclusivley suggest this. Now you ignore the fact and repeat yourself through fear of haveing to admit theres a possablity that this picture may not be fake.

What i have and seen and read so far doesn`t sway me into believing that it is a serpant or see creature,but that is only what i think...i could be wrong.

If this is what you believe then keep up the good fight ,you are doing a good job so far

Alright, so my friend tells me that he is going to kill [enter name] and he does. I am dragged into court, and I testify that he did tell me he told me he was going to kill [name here]. They find him guilty... This is what we have here. There is (1) too much against this photo (2) someone who printed this article made a mistake by misquoting someone by saying it is real, when they said it wasn't (3) there are witnesses who admitted that the man who took think photo was planning on making it to make money. Number (3) is your proof, alright? This photo was hoaxed by a man who planned on making money off of it.

Lets review:

-Noted cyptozoologists Ivan T. Sanderson and Bernard Heuvelmans thought the story sounded fishy (pun intended).

^ Now are you going to argue against expert opinion?

-They thought it was a little too convenient they children were taken back to shore, thus eliminating the people who would most likely tattle about it being a hoax.

^ Another point against this photograph. Although it's not proof, it's still something to think about.

-And if Robert was worried the critter would attack them from the boat, why go poke at the thing up close and personal to film it?

^ Again, although it's not proof, it's still something to think about.

-Well, It turned out Le Surrec was wanted by Interpol for leaving France in 1960 with a lien on his yacht and for stealing funds put up by sailing companions. He had told them he had an idea on how to make a lot of money and it had to do with a "sea serpent".

^ This is the proof.

-His photo was published in Paris Match magazine who misquoted Ivan T. Sanderson and another expert as saying the photograph was real. The magazine never printed a retraction, but a rival magazine exposed it as the hoax it was.

^ Mistakes which first lead people to believe it was real were later found.

-It is also extremely difficult to judge the scale of the supposed creature. The position of the tiny man in the rowboat above the monster creates the visual impression that the monster must be gigantic, but it could actually be a small prop photographed at very close range, with the rowboat off in the far distance.

^ Just think about it.

Now, please tell me what exactly keeps you believing it could be real besides the fact that "There is no proof against it." Cause you have nothing for this photograph.

There is no illusion that he knows best. The picture is a FAKE. The proof has been PUBLISHED. What MORE do you want? Stop acting like a retard. Second, learn some grammar, and learn to spell. Then perhaps your fellow "UMers" will respect you.

Cool photos. Big foot, Loch ness, Aliens. ????? I want them to be real, it would make life a little more exciting!

Wow, this is unique. We rarely get so much background on the potential origins of a really obscure picture regarding who took it. I'd say this is decent evidence against it, though not quite proof.

Walken I didn't know your age but you really do act 14 in terms of what you believe (i.e. everything)... maybe time to start wising up a little? We're not attacking you, but how do you expect us to sit there quietly while you publicly post that you believe just about all of the pictures that are proven fakes? And for the record i'm sure that not every post you ever made was directly contributing to a thread. Some things need to be said... and sometimes they don't relate directly to the topic. As you get older you will become more rational and approach things more logically, trust me.

I don't beleive all pictures are real. Likewise, me and Mr. Canadian don't always beleive. We've had disputes in eachotheres threads other pictures and will continue to do so. In fact in recent memory I've only posted two pictures here in a month, both in the same thread; Arizona Devil, and the minute they were proven fake I accepted that.



Are you seriously suggesting that nothing I've EVER posted in ANY thread is relevent? Do I Really need to find examples for you of my relevency? Come to think of it, I've only ever interacted with you in about three posts EVER, my 9/11 Thread, this one, and one just in case. Plus, you're not in the position to talk about posting a contribution to a thread, seeing as in this very thread you've posted a number of replys about members (nameley me and Canadian) and very little, if not none, about the topic.



Thanks! You'll be surprised how much I needed to hear that.

Walken are you truly that dim? Is it possible? My sentence was:

"i'm sure that not every post you ever made was contributing to a thread"

Does that in any way, shape, or form indicate that NOTHING you EVER post is contributing in a thread? Can you not read? It says I bet NOT EVERY post was contributing. Sheesh, and you want people to take you seriously? You can't even grasp basic English.

And if I and other post about you and CR ina thread and it is not directly on topic then that is because it is relevant to you and CR, namely that we think something is riciculous so we say it. You need to do some serious maturing if you want to have a serious discussion, you aren't capable as it stands.

If you were trying to say 'I'm sure not all of your posts directly contribute to the thread' then it would've been '"i'm sure not every post you ever made was not directly contributing to a thread"

Without naming names. We know that on this board there are people who will believe anything(pics, docs, etc.). We also know that some of the things that are posted on here are so far out there that they open the door that perhaps there is mental illness involved. Whatever the reason, youth, mental illness,the wanting to believe, ect., the logical ones of us have to realize that there is no talking to people in that kind of mind set. I have stated in other threads that my mother is a schizophrenic. I could no more talk her out of her dillussions, then we here can out of certain posters. Sometimes rationality cannot overcome belief. Just my opinion.

OK folks...move it along...nothing to see here...

Please do not post personal attacks on others, call other people names or otherwise act uncivil toward each other; it is possible to get your point across without resorting to such tactics.

ER2003, thank you for the professional analysis of the forum members but it is not appreciated here. All that can come from posts like that are more pointless arguing and threads that degenerate into flame wars that eventually get locked. You may not have named any names, but anyone who has been reading your posts(and continued bickering) knows who you are referring to. Enough is enough; either settle your differences via PM with that person or drop it all together. I do not care which.

Sorry I really was trying to end this thread by saying that you cannot talk a person out of their beliefs rational or not.

these photos puzzle me, and i've heard 2 explanations so far, they have been a school of fish, and a basking shark..

and theres always the third option which is that its fake....

i have no idea what to make of it, but i believe in sea serpents....

Lots of people do.

The Loch Ness Monster is one of the worlds most populer cryptids. It also has some of the least evibdence. :S

Not old yellow belly!!
It's a fake??? It cant't!!
That was my faveritist picture in the whole entire world....and it's a FAKE!!!???!!!

My whole life all based of a fake!!!

ROFL!!! No...but i did like that pic...a lot... but hey for every...um...lets say...250 fakes theres a real one out there somehwhere..ok i have no idea if thats real stats but you get the point....

I'll reveal the 'creature' that lies in water...

It's a wasted Chupacabra who drowned after a Bigfoot-party!

*LAME*