Ok this scares the sh** out of me, here we have not only one, but a gang of people (youth's?) whom think they are werewolfs. Pack mentallity and desire to be accepted amongst these people will eventually lead to someone crossing that line.

Any chance a mod can send of this guys IP to the english authorities?

Werewolves are a myth, plan and simple.
My verdict: False

This is probably the saddest thing i have ever heard in my life.............There is no doubt in my mind that the lycan clan is just a weekly reunion of a pack of wannabe werewolves that gather in the woods strip themselves naked and go around hauling at the moon to make themselves feel "free" lol.....thats pretty sad i would say..........

You realize that what you just described sounds eerily like my last ex-- and it's plain insanity, not being Lycan. True Lycans, if they are real, do not behave in this way. Actually, maybe they do-- I'm still trying to figure out if this is a real disease or something people are making up on their own..

Maybe Skinwalker groups in wolf skin?

No, skinwalkers have more class and I don't think they run in groups.

In addition to an aversion to silver, do lycans have an aversion to spell check?

Clearly many young people, wanting to differentiate themselves from the norm, have adapted this lycan or vampire personality. It's dark and spooky and they are attracted to it as a counter-culture lifestyle.

I spoke to a Lakota Sioux elder a few years back and specifically asked him his opinions on shape shifting. He said that his opinion was that it was always considered a spiritual transformation, not a physical one. Through ritual, meditation, and the consumption of hallucinogenic substances, shamans have been able to astral project and become a wolf (or other creatures) for the purposes of spiritual enhancement, education, enlightenment, protection, etc. I didn't bring up the subject of skinwalkers with him, as that is commonly known as a Navajo legend, and I felt that he would not necessarily be the best source of information on the subject.

Personally I am inclined to believe these things are legend, nothing more, however I would be delighted if some alleged lycan somewhere could provide some sort of evidence of their existence.

A video game does not a werewolf make.

You and your freind the Lakota Sioux elder are absolutely correct, Unsere.

Oh, you sound so skeptical. Why do you even come here and waste your time? Sound familar.

Myabe I didn't make my point CLEAR.

*ahem*

"I spoke to a Lakota Sioux elder a few years back and specifically asked him his opinions on shape shifting. He said that his opinion was that it was always considered a spiritual transformation, not a physical one. Through ritual, meditation, and the consumption of hallucinogenic substances, shamans have been able to astral project and become a wolf (or other creatures) for the purposes of spiritual enhancement, education, enlightenment, protection, etc."


THIS is what I was referring to. I don't personally think theres anything parnormal about lycans-- it's a mental condition. Shapeshifting is a spiritual change, not a physical one, I have stated that many times before. Other than that I don't know WHAT point you're trying to make. I never said it was wrong to be skeptical, it's just outirght rude to blast someone's experience, tell them their wrong-- their crazy-- whatever.

Either case, I refuse to debate with someone who isn't likely to listen or has some sort of point to make. It would be a waste of my good energy which I'm dedicating to my new year.

You got that part right.

I actually spoke to someone today who suggested that Lycanthropy may be linked to 'past life' memories. Now again, my personal belief is we do live several times and are reincarnated. I don't see why the same isn't true for aniamls since they too are God's creatures. Perhaps, that's what it is.

Either way I'm intrigued by it, I am willing to admit that I am a bit skeptical as i don't fully understand it-- maybe in time..

what if they tend to get thrown together? meaning some people could have lived a past life as an animal do you think? as a wolf? thus resulting in them believing they are one now, possibly.

Thats pretty much what I mean, yes. Maybe in a past life someone was a wolf or dog or cat-- and now they exhibit these traits. Being Native American (Well half anyways) I have experience with spirit guides and that could be it as well, a spirit guide manifesting itself in this person's everyday life.

In which case, that could COULD explain the sudden 'furry' fandom phenomenon. I'm also willing to believe that it's a combo of any of those things-- or just a complete nut job. In any case, I'm unnerved by the fact that someone like this may be skulkung around at night in the woods, watching me or 'acting' out their animals behaviour. Recently, here in NC a man was shot robbing a hen house while in a fox costume-- he said he was a were-fox and that the nature of the beast living in him caught up to him O.o... yeah, my cousin works with mentally ill folks.

No werewolves I know of (including myself) do not run in packs... If we did it would not be as easy to hide our blessing from people who would want to strap us in labs and study us.

I think you will be studied once, but not because yur a "werewolf"

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Some of you have been saying that it's impossible for the human body to survive such a transformation, firstly since it isn't currently known by modern science how can you been sure of that? And don't simply say "because it's obvious". If it were so obvious then the question wouldn't still be getting asked. Also you say the HUMAN body couldn't survive it. Now of course IF it's done with magic then you don't need much explanation. But IF you are simply born with it then who's to say you are truely "human" If you have the ability to shift bones and what not around in your body you probably wouldn't be thought of as human...thats just my argument

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You just made a VERY valid point.... what if its NOT a human body...

There is no magic, thus impossible.

I always enjoy your posts Raven. Always honest and true.

I wish it were possible.

umm, any way you could back up that claim for us?

well there are those octopus that can do that... and then theres caterpillars who can turn into liquid, survive it, and turn into a butterfly...

someone moving bones around doesnt seem that hard to beleive when comparing it to the caterpillars...

If I keep hearing statements like that, I'm gonna start believing.....

Yes, those are insects and underwater creatures. We are humans. There will never be a shapeshifting human. Get over it. They do not exist and will not exist. "
someone moving bones around doesnt seem that hard to beleive when comparing it to the caterpillars...". You're comparing human physiological structure to caterpillars? Wow....

Wasn't the word "Lycan" invented for role-playing games and Hollywood movies.......?

No, Lycanthropy has been around for several hundred years. The description varies person to person as to what they feel, but they are very serious about it.

Caterpillars and octpous do not shapeshift. Well not really. Think about it, the human embryo is undergoing the same type transformation and at one point looks very dolphin-like. The type change you are talking about is a slow paced thing that takes months of tissue reconstruction.. we're talking about a beast that changes in mere minutes. Not possible because a HUMAN body would break..

man im glad that there arent that many asses on the internet, because if the whole world thought like you do, wed still be using sticks and stones.

Yes. The MENTAL condition. Nothing more.

No. If we thought like beleivers we would, since you don't believe in science. Thanks for the compliments.

no, i beleive in science much more than you. if all scientists had such a closed mind nothing would be invented... ever.

All scientists use proof. Come on. You know better than that. We are not close minded. We just don't use faith to prove something.

Science-- has--nothing---to---do with this. I have a Bachelors in Science. I work in the medical field and as soon as I figure out what town I want to be in, I'm going for my Masters and veterinarian school. And yet I believe... this isn't about science-- it's about belief.

I bet your teachers loved the way you thought. Throw out the facts. Lets use belief. Belief don't cut it. Thats faith. Thats a religion. Nothing more.

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with the condition that the internet and its people are in right now I'm pretty sure that there is nothing that will satisfy non-believers. Post a pictures...it's photoshop. Post a video...its a costume or special fx ect. Give fur or flesh samples then it's either forgotten or not taken seriously. The amount of money that has to go into legitimate testing is huge and no self respecting lab would actually have the "balls" to take it seriously and test it. And assuming someone did and proved the existance do you really think they would tell us? So what do you people want? This is the case for almost all creatures of this sort. No matter what believers give nothing is good enough. So why don't the non-believers live in there little world and believers live in theres. Don't make a goal of trying to change each others belief. Just leave eachother alone and live either believing or not believing. It's obvious that both sides are stubborn and niether are giving up...so why even bother? There is a difference between skeptisism and ignorrance, I'm sad to say that many don't know the difference.

p.s. I'm not refering to anyone specific on this site, just saying

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nice point.

but i think that its not that they dont beleive thats the problem. its that they have nothing better to do than try and argue against people for absolutely no self benefit but the fact that theyve pissed off other people that day. people like this are absolute no lifers that have failed at life and try to ruin someone elses to make themselves feel better. the easiest way to get rid of nuisances like this is to not bother with them. let them get banned on their own in their desperate attempts for attention.

its just really hard to believe peoples stories today. with the technology we have to edit create these things. although, yes, some people go over board and claim everythings a hoax, for no reason.
so, in the words of agent. mulder, 'trust no one'.
just come up with your own opinion.

It's a good point. However, there would be a very simple way to prove it. Lock yourself in a room and set up several web cameras. Set up a website, possibly called "livewerewolves.com." After you have done this, wait until the day of a full moon. By this time, your site should have some small following. have a loved one lock the door to your "wolf room." After you've done this, just wait until you change. Pretty soon the whole world would know about your ability, and more werewolves will come forward. And you wouldn't have to fear being taken by scientists, because your face would be plastered all over the web. You would be untouchable.

Not that I believe it is likely.

i agree

Actually my religion has very little to do with my training. Their science... and their religion and they should never be mixed. Praying feverishly over a dying victim doesnt save them always, although I do take time to pray before any major surgeries or procedures, because it is God's plan rather or not you live or die-- even animals. And yes, that IS my religion-- the very thing that people have been dying for for generations-- it has nothing to do with science.

Wolves aren't mangy!
I love the wolves, and from what I have read, they seem to be even more (mentally) like humans than primates, although they don't go around killing each other.
I don't beleive in werewolves or were-anything. It is a cool idea, but impossible. Lycan (intelligent wolves that's bite will turn a human into a werewolf) may be possible, minus the "turns a human into werewolf" part.

Wolves are already highly intelligent, and also:
Mate for life
Live in small families
Communicate helpfully with other wolf packs
Hunt together
Don't waste food (on purpose)
Have never attacked a human unless they were sick, injured, or had their personal space invaded (hey, that's MY food!)

So no, wolves aren't "mangy"
Don't be insulting. Humans push them away, so they have to go through lots of moving. Wouldn't you be a little harrassed after the 20th time of being evicted without notice?!

Ahh yes, you share my view of an animal held in such a high regard by my culture (Well half of it), and I have had the honor of working with many of them through wildlife rescue. They are magnificent animals with a society that makes humans pale in comparison..... I'm truly ashamed that my own species can't function like the wolves do.

Wow paranormalguy made a nice point until that newbie cowspwn had to screw it up, with his immaturity. He acts like he's been here awhile

"SASKATOON -- A coroner's inquest has found that Ontario student Kenton Carnegie was killed by a pack of wolves in northern Saskatchewan two years ago, making it the first documented case of fatal wolf attack in the wild in North America."


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well I'm glad that the most of you agree with me. I'd like to respond to Donmar though. Although my beliefs are very similar to yours one of your statements is not valid, I'd like to give you some statistics that I read in a book my grandfather lent me.

# Killed-------------Who----------------------------------------When------------Where


74----------------mostly prepubescent children----------1996-1997-----Uttar Pradesh, India

60----------------Children:3-11----------------------------1993-1995-----Bihar State, India

36----------------Children-----------------------------------1944-1963----Kirov Region, Russia

203---------------Various--------------------------------------1889--------European Sector of Russion Empire

624---------------Various---------------------------------------1878-------British India

161---------------Various---------------------------------------1871-------Imperial Russia

99----------------Various------------------------------------1763-1767----Gevaudan, France


These are not all of them, there were actually hundreds of cases outlined in that book. These are the ones that stood out most. 624 in 1878!!! Unbelievable! Also to the person who said that you could simply lock yourself in a room with webcams. Is there anyway that you can actually confirm that it is indeed a live feed? Couldn't you just sit in a chair for 6 hours and then take that video and add in the special effects after and post it on a website with a "live" feed then after the video runs through once just remove it? Although that would be a lot of trouble to go through. But back to the point. In this book, which was published very recently (2005ish I think) It showed case of unprovoked wolf attacks as recent as 2003! And several more going back into the nineties.

This is why people have problems believing.

ahaha. definitely agreeing with eric here.

DONT make a clan MAD THEY WILL FIND YOU AND KILL YOU