hello,

i think that if there was no religion in the world then there would be no wars for example,

ireland- fighting because of prosedent and catholic family frueds, they are not able to walk the streets to school without abuse being hurled at them now i don't mean 15 year olds i mean 4,5,6 and even younger being exposed to this because of religion.

world war 2- many jews died well not many billions died because of their religion poor souls, now imagin if there was no religion these poor souls wouldn't of had to go through the torture they had to enjore

i would like to read your opinions on this case

thanks for taking the time to read this it is appreciated....

Absolutely. Religion is one of the worlds primary causes of suffering, all throughout history.

I agree, but there are other causes. Prejudice and discrimination also exist. If there were no Jews in WWII, and no religion, people would still be killed and tortured. Hitler's goal was world domination as well. We are so ignorant that we would find something else to fight over...peace is a long ways away.

Absolutely no doubt. I very much doubt that every war ever fought was about religion. What about the US Civil War? That wasn't religious was it.

That's true. I think if there was no religion there wuold be a lot less wars, but not neccesarily no wars, as i'm sure some weirs people in the world would find some other reason to fight.

i agree... there would be less wars without religion. there will always be something to fight about...aparthides (spelling??) freedom...invasion

No, not another thread blaming religion for all the wars. War is about many things. Hatred, power, money, greed, territory, persecution and even liberation. I don't ever see the Christians fighting the muslims. I see the Americans fighting the Iraqis. I see nation against nation. One nation attacks another because they want their land. Hitler tried to wipe out the Jews because of their religion? No. There was a different motive behind his madness. He tried to wipe out inferior RACES to create the superior race. Being a Jew isn't a race, it's a religion. Hitler attacked the French, Polish, British, etc...etc...etc... He hated everyone. I don't see the country United States of Christianity or the Republic of Musliminity. Nowhere is there a two million man Mormon army ready to seek and destroy all Christians because their book is better than the bible.

Religion has never been blamed, the simple fact of asking for opinions and beliefs was all that the has been asked.

No religion is attacking a religion at the moment, but religions are the fuel for all the fires. Suicide bombers kill themselves not just to hurt Americans, and the Iraqis fighting for freedom, but because it is the honorable, corruption version of Islam thing to do. A war always has to start somewhere, and religion is usually the fuel. That is all, causing no need to jump to conclusions and start your own religious battle.

Where the hell have you been? There's at least four different topics on this board talking about religion being to blame for war. Even this topic had to do with blaming religion. In my opinion, the suicide bombers are killing because they want complete control of the land and they are angry that America came in and with ease took over. Do think America would not have invaded if they weren't muslims over there? No, this war is good vs. evil. We went in to liberate a nation.

religion isn't the cause of war. it is used to cover ther real reason for wars. I see people who use religion to rally people to fight an enemy is doing it for there own personal profit.

I mean i personnaly don't belive there is a god, nor have i ever stepped into a church. But i see religion as a harmless belif. Until some crazy person uses it to gain for themselves.

Maybe if you lived in the Sudan you would see this. True, it is not happening in America, but America is not the only country at war as of now.

I agree with Saucy here actually.

The Korean war was not about religion.
The Vietnam war wasn't about religion either.
The Falkland war - again, no religion involved.
The wars between muslims and arabs here in the middle east - same religion and the same ethnicity, yet still they fight each other.
In all the above wars millions died.

As for WW2 - Hitler didn't kill us Jews because of our religion. Indeed his anti-Semitism like many others stemmed from a long tradition of religious anti-Semitism, that shouldn't be forgotten.
But Hitler killed Jews for being genetically infereor, according to his ideas.
He also killed Christians of Jewish descent, cause they had Jewish blood.
If you had Jewish blood three generations back, you'll be sent to the death camps.
This was un-religious, racist, hatred.

Communism too, being extremely anti-religious, killed in the last 80 years more than 100 million people.


Religion was only one reason out of many for wars, killing and destruction that our race have done.
Also, remember that religion is a creation of the human mind.
Blaming religion for our wars instead of our selves is stupid.
We created those religions. Humans stood at their tops.

Wars will continue as long as the human race will continue to be barbaric and destructive.

I really don't understand how you people can blame wars on a God you don't even believe exists.

We don't blame God, only the people who actually think he is real, and starts war for it.

but you blame all Christians as a whole. Is that wrong? It would be like me blaming all athiests for the start of every war. There is no such thing as a religious war. Nobody starts a war because of their faith.

The Irish war isn't about religion, its a war between Ulster Unionists and Irish Republicans. The media only portrays it as a religious war to obscure the real issues, I doubt if many of the Republicans are devout Catholics.

"Only atheism can pacify the world today."
André Gide
Journal 1889-1939

Although religeouse grounds and beleifs may cause wars, destroying religeon wouldn't bring total peace. Wars happen for reasons besides religeon you know. Territory, resources, pride, ego's, to name but a few.

yes...yes..and yes


religion is most often than not just an excuse to make the war okay....

there is always another reasons like all the others here said before me.

And convince the agressor that what he is doing is right.

But still, there are wars that are due to religion.

Religion is most certainly a cause for war. But if some people here think that to remove that subject would stop wars then you are completely deluded.

Wars would still be fought if not over religion then for Money or Power or both. These aspects are imbued in the basic fundamentals of human nature.

Ancient History is littered with wars like these such as in the time of troy and Alexander the great.

Absolutely not. People cause war, not religion. The wars with religion involved were caused by people's ignorance.

All right, this is my first post and very fitting. Because this is something I believe strongly about. I think that if there was no religion that there would still be wars. Humans just dont get along and thats how it is. We would fight for land, fight for food, or any numorous other things that we think important. I also believe that religion was created to make people believe in something so strongly that they would fight and die for it.
I think some ancient government realised that people fought harder and more fierce when they fought for something that they believed in. So they created events that people would remember, would talk about, and pass on. They also created places and objects to further back the roumors up later on when people started to try and prove these things. They knew that this would take a long time to do, maybe hundreads of years, but in the long run...save them. So that is how and why I think religion was created. I'm not saying that's how it is, just that's WHAT I THINK. I know it may not be what you think, may even be against everything that you believe in. If it is, then you believe what you want, and I will believe what I want. Beliefs are thoughs. Something we think to be true. People often think that beliefs are truths and try to impose their beliefs on others and that is not what I am trying to do so dont do it to me. I am only saying this is what I believe. What I think.

religion is a main reason for wars, but not all wars...different beliefs stir up hate, crime, and excessive use of bad language (evident in reading posts on here). wars have been fought for power and glory. example: ghengis khan (power), george bush jr (terrorists), and california gangs (money and power).

and hey just for laughs...TROY: Helen of TROY (love).


but there is an unmistakable fact; no one can seriously deny it. there are people that follow there religion so blindly with fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one.

Yes, but that doesnt mean its the main cause of war. People can follow a PS2 blindly and want to kill someone because of it; but thats for a differnt thread and ITV news, not this forum.

like Steller and The Portal, religion is used to make the war "right", like the islamics (trying not to be racist) who want to kill / suicide bomb us, if there wernt religion, who would ther "Allah" be?

WWI: Assholes made pathetic treaties and wanted to go to war to get some land, so they mobilized. Something happened: they jumped the shark.

WWII: Facist dick wants to take over the world.

Nobody can say any war in modern times could have been caused by religion. In ancient times, it was because religion was also government, and people could corrupt it to do what they will.

All war is evil. It's the motives behind it we have to look at.


And, most "modern" wars fought over religion have merely used religion as a cloak to gain power. There aren't any crusades nowadays...

Raistlin Majere:

you said:

"Nobody can say any war in modern times could have been caused by religion."

i write:

what about the middle east right now??? it's a war...maybe not by name yet but it's still a war...and irishmen blow each other up in "his" name...

When you have people that think they are going to go to paradise when they blow themselves up, you have serious problems I think. Like in that interview I posted.

When religous believers get hold of the big weapons. They are not scared of death because they think they are going to heaven.

I wish religion never existed!

You didn't read the part about the "cloak". It's all corruption over there, it's no pure religious war.

Of course there'd be wars without religion.

prove it

ww 2 started because hitler invaded polen. why?? because of the treaty of versailles. no religion involved. the war against terrorism. what started it? what america did to the arabs look it up.and the iraqi war was not started because of religion. the arabs just uses that to get the dumb people behind him. like bush did during the election. they know how to play the people. most wars TODAY did not start because of religion. vietnam war, korea war etc

even tough it looks like it religion is not the cause of todays wars but 100 years ago it was different then religions did cause wars.

People, as I said earlier, the human race is barbaric and that's the only reason why there are wars .
Religion is only one excuse, and it proves that even something that man created for himself to have hope in this world has been used as another excuse for us to kill each other.
But, the problem is, that this barbatic behaviour also make us competitive and enables us to create all that technology.
So, this is something about us humans that will need to be balanaced.
Without it, there might be a lot more humans around (or not, cause technology to enable humans to live behind the age of 40 wouldn't have existed ), but we would all live in caves.

If you would read the posts by other people actually trying to prove this in this thread. Instead of just reading the last post and responding, this post you put wouldn't have existed.

There is no such thing as a religious war. Nobody starts a war because of their faith.

Please. Does "Holy War" ring a bell in your head?

Also, I agree with what Erikl said. Humans are what creates religion. Humans are responsible for war. You can't blame a book. You can blame the people who translate their book to fit their own needs.

For example you can take any sentence of the bible and ask one christian to tell you what it means, they'll tell you something that agrees with themselves. Ask another Christian and odds are it will be a different explanation. It's like my friend Giovanni who says god doesn't hate homosexuals, he just hates their homosexuality. Another christian would say different.

I find that its not as much the holy book that is cause for religious based war as it is the leadership organisation. Higher ups start thinking that god speaks through them and such or they even start thinking god actually talks to them. This is the dangerous situation.

i have read all your opinions and yes i have to agree with you that there is other things that can start a war but if you think about it many of them were started off by religion..

i am sorry if i have caused anyone any offence

but hey everyone has their own opinions ....