I'm somewhat of a newcomer here. I had come across another thread called "x-ray vision" during a search and it sparked my interest (while "x-ray vision" sounds like a childish term, the concept itself probably relates to remote viewing, astral projection, the third eye, etc.). However, the entire thread was more or less devoted to disproving the user who claimed in a post that he or she had "x-ray vision". I was looking for theories about the actual phenomena, not theories about the validity to the user in question.

Now, to get to the point. Often times what happens to me at night, in the dark, is that I can see vague, shadowy outlines of the things around me. The best way I can describe it is as "seeing through my eyelids". When it first began to happen, I would become confused, blink my eyes, and panic when I realized that it wouldn't stop when I closed them again. I thought that I may have been dreaming, or that my eyes actually were open and I didn't realize it, or maybe that I was hallucinating. But considering that I've undergone extensive psychiatric examinations and such that have shown that I was fine, I'm fairly sure that I can rule out hallucinations as the cause. Also, it happens too often now for it to be dreams or actually having my eyes open without realizing it.

I'd like to get some (positive) feedback - ideas on explanations and theories. I've read that similar phenomena occurs to some people upon astral projection, and it also seems similar to remote viewing. Your comments are welcome, but please, don't flame or insult me.

Thankyou very much for your time
-Mera

I'm somewhat of a newcomer here. I had come across another thread called "x-ray vision" during a search and it sparked my interest (while "x-ray vision" sounds like a childish term, the concept itself probably relates to remote viewing, astral projection, the third eye, etc.).

Of course, the only known wavelength that can penetrate objects is the x-radiation wavelength, at it is very harmful to those exposed to it. Yet, this child uses the term anyways, and she does with many other childish terms.


However, the entire thread was more or less devoted to disproving the user who claimed in a post that he or she had "x-ray vision".

Yep.


Now, to get to the point. Often times what happens to me at night, in the dark, is that I can see vague, shadowy outlines of the things around me.

That's called night vision. Everyone can see in the dark to some degree or another. Taking alot of vitamin A can improve your night vision.


The best way I can describe it is as "seeing through my eyelids".

Eye lids, being the thinnest layer of skin in the entire body, would be quite easy to see through to a certain degree.

When it first began to happen, I would become confused, blink my eyes, and panic when I realized that it wouldn't stop when I closed them again.

This is a common argument for everyone claiming these abilities. they somehow seem to think it validates them more so, when in fact, it is quite the opposite. people seem to think it sounds like more of a natural reaction if they display a sentence of fear or aprehention. I cans ee through this quitre easily however.


I thought that I may have been dreaming, or that my eyes actually were open and I didn't realize it, or maybe that I was hallucinating.

In regards to what, exactly. You haven't made it clear at all.

But considering that I've undergone extensive psychiatric examinations and such that have shown that I was fine,

No you haven't.

I'm fairly sure that I can rule out hallucinations as the cause.

This sentence further proves my point.

Also, it happens too often now for it to be dreams or actually having my eyes open without realizing it.

You still haven't explained exactly what phenomena you are experiencing here. How old are you by the way?

I'd like to get some (positive) feedback - ideas on explanations and theories. I've read that similar phenomena occurs to some people upon astral projection,

You've read wrong. Astral projection involves the spitit leaving the body. It doesn't involve staying in your body and seeing through objects.

and it also seems similar to remote viewing.

No it doesn't. Remote viewing involves a telepathic message being sent from person to person over a great distance, or a person being able to get a mental image, MENTAL image, of something far away.

Your comments are welcome, but please, don't flame or insult me.

Please don't take my comments as flaming or insulting. I am merely giving you perpective on reality. Remember, it is dangerous to listen to only what you want to hear.

You do that insight... now it's my turn.

I also rule out astral projection, the spirit didn't leave the body, I've had two experiences with astral projection, that doesn't sound like it...

It could be short distance remote viewing, btw insight, remote viewing doesn't have to be from person to person, in a book of astral projection I checked out, the guy talks about making a "watcher" of astral substance, as he called it, then it comes back and gives it's experience...

My best guest is short distance remote viewing, next time that happens, see if you can look around and see if you can see into an area with light...

Im sorry Insight, but this is getting a bit annoying. A new member comes here for help and you jump on them without any proof that they are fake. If you have the ability to help them, answer....if not please just refrain from typing anything until you HAVE really good reason to believe they are lying. Her posting seemed okay.

Perhaps she is lying, perhaps not. Give her a chance at least.....


as for this....



and it is a also a common thing that happens to anyone who devellops psychic abilities prematurely. It may be genuine, maybe not....







if there is absolutly no light...I dont think so....if it is at night....it is unlikly unless there is some sort of lightsource..but perhaps she could still do some testing if there is any light where she had these experiences

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You still haven't explained exactly what phenomena you are experiencing here. How old are you by the way?

why do you always bring up the age thing???? yes I agree that young people are subject to sometimes get too excited about these things, and most things are out of imagination. But I would not rule out all of them. I have seen many wise kids and some that did indeed experienced genuine phenomena.

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how do you know once again...she may be lying maybe not.... geeez give people a break will you




not really

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I agree with you on that Insight...but she never said that she was seeing trough object...she said she was seeing a shadow outline of objects. Seeing trought only came up as an attempt to explain the feeling....she quotes...

The best way I can describe it is as "seeing through my eyelids".


I have made astral traveling before, and all the times I did not see with my eyes open. They where always closed and if it was night, I would also see things the way she described. Perhaps she did astral travel but did not felt that she was out of her body... Or perhaps she was just starting to leave. That happened to me a few times where I would see my surroundings but was not totally out of body yet.




agreed, but then again as Zudo said...it could be a form of close remote viewing too.




I think it could be hard not to take your comment flaming....you did not just point out a possibilty, you accused her of lying.

You could of phrased it better.

Plz Insight, it is obvious to me to you have extensive knowledge on the paranormal and much wisdom...but you clearly lack in diplomacy

At least ask questions too see if they are lying...dont be so quick to judge

I rather like what insight does, he is a smart skeptic, and therefore trys to put up an argument for that side, and then when we present our views, you learn more, being opposed is a good thing, you learn more about the issue...

Do you rearrange the furniture in your room often?
Your mind maybe so used to all of your surrounding that when you panic and start thinking that you are seeing through your eyelids you really arent.
Its just that your mind is programed to know where everything is that it creates them on your mental screen thus you start seeing them.
An example of this is just shut your eyes and wave your hands in front of your face.
Your mind is so used to what your hand looks like that you start seeing it waving around.
Just a thought but maybe you should try moving your bedroom around....

I agree Zudo, Insight is a very intelligent guy and has a lot of good knowledge to share.

I just think a little bit more of diplomacy would help him get is idea through more people. Many times he seems just as closed up as a fanatic Christian. People will always get on their defensive and will not listen to what he has to say

All of this is unfortunate because he does have good points.

sry if I am off topic

Im sorry Insight, but this is getting a bit annoying. A new member comes here for help and you jump on them without any proof that they are fake.

I never said she was a "fake", and I am fairly sure she didn't even make a claim that I would be able to say was fake. I am helping her with the best knowledge I can, and trying to give her tools to avoid being sucked into dellusions.


If you have the ability to help them, answer.


Help: To give assistance to; aid.

I gave her assistance and aid.

...if not please just refrain from typing anything until you HAVE really good reason to believe they are lying. Her posting seemed okay.

Yes, to you it seemed okay. I have learned many techniques to see through words. Anyone can learn them. I have learned the natures of innocent deceptions. It's when a person doesn't mean harm in telling what is considered a very small fib, or a coloring of truth.

Here is the sentence I saw through:

But considering that I've undergone extensive psychiatric examinations and such that have shown that I was fine,

What is classified as extensive psychiatric examinations will only be done if something is visibly wrong with the patient. First of all, psychiatric examinations are very expensive to obtain privately. She would have had to decide to pay for a psychiatrist in order to ask him if she was going crazy by thinking these things. He would have dismissed them easily and quickly, hardly resulting in an intense examination.

Or perhaps she was admitted to a hospital in hyterics, in which a fmaily member decided intense psychiatric examination would be best.

Now, unless this girl had something vididly psychologically amiss with her, any psychological examination would be very quick and concise. She would have to have deep running problems with her life for an "extensive" psychological examination to take place.

My words can only say so much. But if you had a better understanding of the medical community, you'd see that her statement showed very little knowledge of medical preceedings.

And the fact that she said "extensive" speciffically really brings the whole thing into question. That words makes serves as a strong validator for her previous statements, and makes said stament also seem stronger to the casual observer. However, it was her fundamental flaw.

If a person had actually gone through a psichiatric evalutation, they wouldn't have used the word "extensive".

They would have said something such as:

"I talked to a counselor about what I experienced, but he said I was fine and normal."

"I talked to my doctor about it, and he said I was fine and healthy."

"I consulted a psichiatrist, and he told me not to worry about it."



"extensive" psychiatric examinations are never nessesary for a patient who asks a question about certain visual phenomenas. There has to be something seriously seriously wrong, such as if these experiences we causing her to harm herself, were preventing her from getting sleep, making her sick, causing strong social degridationcausing strong family problems, unnatural emotional peaks, and so on.

You see, there is more depth to a person's words than most people realize. Infact, some of the largest and heaviest books I have ever read were on meathods and techniques used by police and lawyers to determine of a person is telling the truth, or a partial truth. It is a very deep science. If a person knows how to lie on a professional level, one cannot see through his words unless they are heavily devoted to an ongoing study of the art of deception. Lawyers handling million dollar cases MUST have said skills and knowledge, otherwise they are not effective as lawyers.

This is not a million dollar case however. This is a case where I see 99% honesty in the person's words until the sentence about extensive psychiatric examination. That honestly really threw the whole thing into question.

Hello again Mera,

now you do have a few things you can test...I would try to rule out anything not related to the paranormal before thinking it could be.
What Fatal Fury bring is a good point. Try and test that.
If not try to see if you could have any kind of source of light that would enable you to see.

If any of these are not the case then you could try this,

If it is indeed remote viewing, test yourself. Try to remote view other places, preferably places that you have not seen before. This is a test that needs to be done with someone so that they can verify what you see.

Many mixed up remote viewing and astral traveling. But if your not going out of your body, it is not astral traveling, it is projection or psychic, remote viewing. If you are, then it is not remote viewing it is plain astral traveling.

To see if perhaps you may be astral travelling. Note down all the other physical reaction you have when it happens and compare it with others who have astral travel too. Or better, try to move around and go to other places.

Try all of these, then come back with your findings. With more details we will be in a better position to help you further.



Insight, in regards to your last post. I agree 100%. I thought too that it was a bit pushing saying that she went through extensive psychiatric care.

No need to convince me on that. And I agree to that she could of said it only to make her story more genuine.

But, we cannot rule out the possibility that perhaps she did. Perhaps she has a family member or a close friend that is a psychologist or psychiatric and help her out. Or something else. The point is, we don’t know until we ask her. Until then she may be lying or not. We cant jump on conclusion just because it seems unlikely.

And even if she did say a little fib there, this does not say that her experiences was fake. She will learn that fibbing will likely close many good doors for her. I think that if she did...she know gets the point

I am sure you did study all those technique to see when someone is truthful or not. What I wish only to say is that this ability, your knowledge of paranormal, psychology etc... and a touch of diplomacy would give you excellent tools to really help people and guide them to an understanding of their experiences. I personally don’t think that intimidating is the best way to go around, more so with a teenager or young adult. I understand the need of it after extensive debate with one of them and that they are stubborn in there ignorance. But you cant make that claim that quick with a newcomer.

Just to give you something to think about


ThePortal

I believe that many people who are psychic can see through their eyelids. I have been practicing 'x ray vision' for a while now, and I think that I do not release x rays from my body. Instead, I believe my psi energy allows me to see through objects. It is probably a special form of remote viewing, but is a bit different from it.
Your psi energy probably allows you to see through your eyelids. I remember when this happened to me, I kept thinking that my eyes weren't closed, but they really were.
Remote viewing is when you send some of your psi energy somewhere and it allows you to see someplace else, becuase people always have a deep connection with their psi energy.
Astral projection is when your spirit actually comes out of your body, not just your psi. Your psi is what allows you to jump out of your body, though. It is probably psi that keeps your body and spirit connected, so you are somewhat aware of your body while you are astral projecting, also sometimes called 'spirit traveling.'
I hope all this helps!!!

Actually, Insight, my "extensive psychiatric examinations" haven't been fabricated. I was recently placed in a mental hospital after attempting to kill myself, and was evaluated for any other possible psychiatric disorders (of which I had none). Also, for the past two weeks or so, I have undergone extremely in-depth and extensive neuro-psychological testing (averaging about 3,000 dollars - yes, it was extremely expensive) due to unexplained memory loss. I've been seeing a psychologist, a psychiatrist, and a neurologist for nearly four years now, and diagnosed only with depression and bipolar disorder. While it is true that bipolar disorder sometimes causes audio and visual hallucinations, my case was never diagnosed as being that severe. Anyway...I think it's most important for me to explain that your comments truly hurt me, and I hope that you never experience the desperation of trying to take your own life, Insight.

MiraiMera,
You should try to live your life to the fullest! Don't try to take your own life again, I mean you have alot to live for.

My brother's bipolar, he's a likeable fellow.... He has interesting ideas... Jolly Good!

It could be a hallucination, I remember my brother told me that he use to have a hallucination where there were little people inside him... or somthing like that, I'm not sure.

I say hallucination or short distance remote viewing, do you eat alot of carrots? that's supposed to help your night vision, do a test, don't eat carrots one week, and see how it looks, and then eat alot of carrots another week and see what happens.