Yeah, I guess that sounded weird coming from a "pot-head", but I feel passionatley about being a good father. If its the only thing I suceed at in life I'll die a happy man.

And I'll prolly grow out of the whole pot smoking thing. Its just a fun way to relax. Its when people take it farther than that when it becomes a problem.
i'll shut up now.

I personally feel that anyone over the age of 25 has a right to smoke anything they want, as long as they are responsible about it and know the dangers to the body. but under 25? they just look stupid and childish.

bush smoked pot and now he is the world's most powerfull dude

Pac had beef with Bad Boy records they turned their back on him and tryed to get him killed. Plus some people can just relate to his songs no matter what PAC NEVER MADE A BAD SONG! Some1 can relate to every1 of his songs. By the way we need to cut down on saying nigga in this thread.

Good grief, it's quoting songs that you are condoning. It's not referencing anyone. People give this word too much power. I am not offended that the words "b*tch" and "ho" are being used.

chill out ho jk

Oh, them's fightin' words, Ho-toke.

in 20 years the word n*gga will be forgotten from everyday vocabulary. Much like pollock is not a terribly offensive word anymore. My best friend is polish and we all call him "Da Pollock" . He doesn't take offense. He's proud of being polish.
Getting angry at the use of these words give credibility to people who use them maliciously. Don't give em the satisfaction.
Dave Chappelle said in an interview that saying the word n*gga liberates him. It says he is unashamed about who he is.

Anyway, its just the man keeping us down. prolly in canada. canuks.

Jackson Pollock was a great artist by the way.

Most rappers might write terrible songs and have the only rythm coming from a crappy keyboardist while they talk their lyrics and swear about being a gangster and being able to beat you up. Thats not good in the first place, but the rapper has almost no part in taking it a step higher, the media does.

The media is a terrible thing, and once they've brought someone up high and a trend starts, they can do whatever they damn please and it's usually get the person more money. And since power corrupts and greed is one of the worst things about humans, as long as they're making a ridiculous amount of money, buying guns and the like and being able to rap about it, they don't particularly care about anything else...

In the end, it's the medias fault and not really the rappers fault, since I bet some rappers are just generally happy and good people, and I'm guessing 2pac was one of them.

Good point man.
That made me wonder if I was in their position would I be any different. Time for personal reflection. Ohhhmmmnnni.

let's just say this: Either you love rap or you hate it, elt's just have everyone keep their posts positive and stop arguiun I don't wanna offend anyone on here (and sorry if I have) but for some people, rap speaks to them about their life, and for others, it doesn't. I say everyone has their own opinion, so it doesn't bother me anymore. besides, I'd rather talk about music I like than fight with someone over it. So whha you guys say? I'm willing to let it go I happen to like it because I can identify with it, but not everyone can. It all depends on the circumstances. anyway, I hope everyone stops fighting.

This is for Queenof the night. I have 2 children, 5 & 12. I know whats going on with my kids, so I can censor what they listen to. I don't need the government to tell me what to listen to.I love rap but my children don't hear it. Don't snap at me before you know my situation. Do you have kids or are you a kid? Respect!(Just checked your info. no wonder at your age you made that post. You need some life experience before you judge me.)

Not fighting , making a point to the kiddies. I never said rap was not bad music, and I never said you shouldnt and can't relate to it. I don't hate rap, what I hate is these children who don't listen to the music, who don't relate to it, but acctually mimic it and live it. Like I said before, if you are mature enough to realize that it is just music, not role modles or rules of life, then you can listen to it. But kids these days fail to understand that, and the music.

to ericraen- you were the one that said- Censorship Sucks! right? What a great parent you prob. make! I have had experience with kids, and their thoughts.. because I have been there. YOU DAMN PPL WONT LISTEN TO WHAT I AM SAYING. your kids aren't going to listen to you. You listen to sh** like that, they think its o.k for them to also. you think they don't hear it at school, out with friends? stupid!

what is your opinion on metal music?

Little girl. Calm down. Like I said in my previous posts, I do not listen to it in front of them. Second, if your children love you they will listen to you. Maybe you are from a disfuctional family.

Listen to me. You may not listen to it in front of them, but they will hear it elsewhere. there is no way of avoiding it. Do you really want your kids to hear that sh**? When they are teens, unless you have unusally good kids, they will be hard-headed. You are foolish not to realize that. They won't listen to you when you say, "oh kids, don't listen to that rap music! even though I do, its not good for you" . They may love you, but they are not going to listen. believe me. You want your kids to be listening to killing, smoking, sex, and drugs.. then go ahead. But don't stay on this theard, claiming your the perfact god damn parent. All you are is hard-headed and naive. Just sit back and watch when they are 14,15,16,17 and your daughter ends up pregnate and your son a drug dealer or somthing.

by the way, this thread really refers to any music with such content. Rap is just one of the types of music with the most exploit content

You seem like an angry person. Maybe you need to talk to someone to get this rage out. No I don't think I am a perfect parent, but I do think spending time with your kids and loving them makes a difference in how they grow up.

aside from killing, drugs, sex, and rock and roll are what shaped todays generation. You can't keep your kid in a bubble and say "No rap, sex, drugs or your grounded."
Start off from day one teaching them to make educated decisions and you won't have to worry about your kid killing someone. Unless they really make you mad.
I understand that rap has a negative message sometimes. I try to think of it as a story. Its like watching t.v., kinda. You prolly watch people die all the time on t.v.. Do you kill people? I know I do.

My brother listens to nothing but rap, and did so through his teens. He may use colorful language sometimes (as do I, and I dont really like rap) but he is a fine member of the community, apart from the usual growing up boy stupid stuff he has done. He is now doing a computer and business degree....

I listened to marilyn manson through my late teens, yet I did not worship the devil....

Kids who are given knowledge and understanding will always see things for what they are, those who are protected become weak.

Thank you.

The point that I had been trying to make is that kids who are influenced by this music often don't have strong parental role models. They have parents who often don't care, are abusive, neglectful, etc, etc, etc. So these kids turn elsewhere to find someone to look up to. And when some kids turn to the kind of rap music that has all that foul language, it usually doesn't have a good effect on them.

You are not seeing my point! It is fine that your brother listens to rap. I AM SAYING... that people who are not mature enough ( usually pre-teen, teens ) should not listen to stuff like that. If you are mature enough and don't act or live by music like that, then more power to you! I could care less! but for the kids who are not mature enough, they should not listen to it. DOES EVERYONE GET THIS? I am not saying no one shouldnt listen to rap, I am not saying its bad music, all I am saying is that immuture kids shouldnt hear it!

Again this SHOULD be being done by the parents, just like everything else that the immature kids wouldn't be ready for....

As was said in "parenthood".... You need a licence for a dog, to drive a car or have a gun.... but they let any fool become a father.....

Subby, I agree that ALL parents should take an interest in their children's lives. But unfortunately this isn't the case.

I think it's time for the media to take a little responsibility.

unfortunately, most parents don't do their job. And like you said before, these kids turn to other things for role models and what not. If we cut down on all the sh** that most of rap these days contain, maybe there wouldn't be so many thugs and sh** out there. They should have much sticker limits on who listens to what.

Once again, Queen you are to angry. Parents play a huge role in how a child's morals develop. This is proven easily in children in one parent homes-higher % going to jail, commiting crimes, etc. I grew up in a one parent household and got in alot more trouble(dui,etc) then my friends that had 2 participating parents.
Our govt. has enough trouble policing itself much less our children. Censorship helps no one but the religious finatics.

I should actually correct myself. Its not just rap doing this. I should say Media instead... agree with dis.

I know parents play a big role! IF you have bad parents, which most of us do.. then these kids are going to turn to media. and are going to be taught that sex, drugs and what not are whats "cool" and that lifestyle is the only way of life for them. Media needs to cut down on stuff like that, or put major restrictions on it.

Some censorship does help ericraven2003. You might not agree b/c you might play a role in your childs life, but there are kids out there whose parents could care less what they listen to and could care less what happens to them. If you are over 18 and mature enough to listen, then I believe you have the right to listen to whatever you want.. but for the kids under 18 who don't have that parent to guild them.. do need censorship.

I do appreciate your opinion Queen. We just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the more calm posts.

No one is talking about censorships though.

Technically we're talking about law. If one man said some of the things that are in rap lyrics to a woman it's considered verbal abuse. And in a song it can be considered discrimination against women.

But even if you don't want to even try to look at that side of it, I can also argue that the media shouldn't be glorifying these negative images. The media does have a moral obligation to restrict itself on what goes mainstream, considering the amount of influence it has on the younger generations.

Thats the pesky amendment, freedom of speech. One the most important parts of the constitution. We have to take the good with the bad. Otherwise anyone's speech could be taken away.

But the constitution was put in place so that we can stand up for ourselves and express what we believe in. It wasn't made to defend derogatory and degrading remarks against women.

Ok,Dis,you say rap is so offensive and all,then why pay attention to it?Why not just ignore it?It's just music,it's not like a life or death thing that everyone should be worried about.Lots of parents don't care what their kids do,so there's no point in getting mad and saying they should,cause it won't change.Just gotta kinda "go with the flow" and pay no attention to the things you dislike

It's almost impossible to ignore when it's all over the TV, the radio, my music stores and my shopping centres. It has a massive influence that has spread everywhere and makes "ignoring it" rather difficult.

I know what you mean by it being everywhere,and some things just get so annoying that you can't stand,i know how it is.But even though,there isn't much that can be done.

I find alot of modern music very offensive; it's all built around sex and violence, shapeing tomorrows generation. Thankfully no one likes me in my generation, so I'm safe.

But thats how I deal with it; i just don't pay attention.

Now one thing that has been clear to me, every generation says that the next generation of music is about Sex and violence..... Nowdays its just more obvious.

Yes it is definitely more obvious. That's also the problem. You'd have to be blind deaf and mute not to notice it these days.

Notice what?

You are really being ignorent. I hate pop music & rock. I simply ignore it. Look heres how you can solve your problem.


1)problem- rap is on the tv
solution- change channel!

2)Problem- Rap is on the radio
soution- chnge the station most likely it's a rap station anyways.

3)problem- you see rap in a music store
solution- NONE it's a music store get over it!

4) problem- you hate rap
solution- DEAL WITH IT & IGNORE IT


The fact is we all got our own taste in music. We have to just ignore what we don't like. So grow up and just ignore the music.

Its not just the music my fellow humans...

I'm sure some kids have seen a rated R movie . Guess how many kids watch TV and end up clicking to a channel with a sexually explicit program currently airing?

I think TV's and Movies and other visual experiences are more dangerous than rap. Maybe your kid in school snuck up printed porno images from a friend and you didn't know, or your kid actually cusses words or smokes pot, but he/she hides it and you have no idea.

Well, rap is completely in the same category.

You're comparing music(rap) to kids smokin pot???There is a big difference there

Well,this the big question,what are you gonna do about it?It won't change,so really when you think about it,what can be done?

Btw,2PAC4LIFE,that's a good statement

2PAC wannabe, like I said, it's everywhere. It's on the street corner, outside my apartment building, heck, it's even in the forum, it's EVERYWHERE, these thugged-out gangsta wannabe kids trying their damn best to be like their idols.

If it was ONLY about the music I wouldn't give 2 shits about it, but unfortunately it's just breeding a whole generation of trash where I live.

like the hippy trash the 60's and 70's bred?

Good point Mary Jane. Each genreration has music that they think will destroy the youth.
50's--Elvis was considered the devil by many in his effect on youth
60's--Hippies drugs would destroy the youth
70's-disco once again asscosiated with drugs
80's-heavy metal casuing suicide

We survied those decades. Our kids will surive this. Also, as far as drugs, when your young alot of people experiement. I did , just about everything. When I got older I set it aside.

Okay, but Elvis (as far as I know!) wasn't the Devil, there was nothing bad about his songs or his lyrics.

The hippies had drugs, but people still have drugs today. The 60's revolved around peace and love, women burned their bras. It made a lot of positive changes in society.

Disco is about the bad dancing. Really though, drugs can be associated with any decade.

I don't know about the heavy metal causing suicide. I know when Kurt Cobain died there was something like 160 kids who killed themselves soon afterwards in the same manner as Cobain. But these are already kids with psychological issues, and that's a discussion for another day.

I probably led on that I hate all rap, and I'll clarify now that I, in fact, do not. When I was in my pre-teens I listened mostly to rap/hip hop/r&b/dance. Right up until about the time that Coolio song became really famous. And guess what? It was about gangsters.

I STILL to this day don't hate ALL rap. I don't doubt for a second that there's some good credible rappers/hip hop artists out there at all. My beef is with this recent trend in the "gangsta rap" that's having a noticable effect on teenagers today. It's NOT a positive message. I honestly don't think any good can come from Eminem writing songs about killing his wife and dumping her body, and calling the song a "joke".

THAT is my problem with this type of music. The kids with no parental role models who are looking to these artists because they need someone to look up to. And there's an awful lot of these types of kids.

Anyway, I'm starting to sound like a broken record. There really isn't much more I can say on the subject, so I'm out.

Peace.