She thought I was suicidal because I listened to Nirvana.

Parents sometimes.

Really.... My parents are glad that I'd rather listen to 80s then the crap that's on now

Well,it's something that is gonna happen whether adults approve of it or not i guess I can listen to whatever i want,eminem,new rock,metallica etc.

^ don't forget KMFDM

Drop them off in the Jane/Finch Corridor, St Jamestown, or Regent Park in Toronto. Cheaper than busing them all the way to the US from Ottawa.

Well, just because most people like it doesn't mean it's good.

Now, I don't listen to rap, and I don't mind others listening to it. Everyone has their own opinion, likes and dislikes, and therefore everyone is different, which is good, blah blah blah, this is Barney's job.

Now, no offense to anyone (personally, I don't think people should get so worked up about what others think of their opinions), but I don't think some people, not all, actually get the whole picture.

Now teens and kids need someone to look up to. Some rappers may not have had that, which is sad. This doesn't mean they have to go singing about it for teens like others as well as myself. When they are walking around, using cool clothes and having women, kids are going to want to be more like them. Then when they sing about the hardships that they may or may not have gone through, people might get the wrong idea and take this in as a way to be more like these people.

Anyway, that was my short rant about how everyone should listen to rock. (Just a joke, no one has to listen to me)

Good statement

Ok haha some of yall are making me laugh. First I seen a girl say nigger...nah that's what people call blacks to make a race issue. Rappers call each other nigga not niggers. Also why is it ok or girls to all girls b*****s but a man to rap about it it's so bad??? There are many great females out ther, but there are also gold diggers out there. Females who are out for money! I also seen someone say EAZY E!! He was a great rapper, but he was not loyal. He tryed to screw over NWA. Taking money from Dre & DOC. You all have to understand it's not the music it's the artist. Rap is meant to help people relate to things they go throgh. But some rap is made only to make money. Remember it's not the music it's the artist.

Oh well..eazy e had good songs tho..well I think so

Has anyone ever told you that you're not Tupac?

Get over yourself.

Eazy E was repulsive. I remember hearing his complete sh** when I was in high school. There was NO redeeming "how to keep folks from repeating my mistakes" ideology behind it. It was just a degrading, sexually/drug abuse explicit steaming pile of crap.



Do you mean Nirvana? They were 90's. Love 'em myself, but they were part of the grunge movement of the early 90's. And all the decent music put out now is buried under pointless, sound-looped, lip-synched junk.

Did I ever say I was Tupac? No......He is like a role Model from me I want to be a rap artist on day. I love his music I respect him I never said I was him so TALK WHAT YOU KNOW.

Yeah, not all rap has a message. there's a lot of it that's pointless, degrading crap. Not all rap is like this though, but there are some songs like that unfortuneatly. But it's like tupac4Life said, it's the artist, not the genre. there is good rap out there, Like Outkast, their songs are funny and cool, and they're not degrading to anyone

Some LITTLE girl I'm not saying any names said I need to get over myself. I never was giving myself props about anything sayin I'm all that. SOrry is that to slang/GANGSTA for you? And I never said I was Tupac NOBODY can be Tupac! haha Girl That was the stupidest comment I ever heard.

Erm, i am a teen, and i can't stand simple plan


My mom thought that too. I tend to listen to really depressing music at random.


"nigga" is a slur of the word 'nigger'. It's the same thing. No difference in meaning.

Why can a Black Man call a Black man a nigger, but if anyone else does it's racism?

Just don't say nigga or nigger and you aint got nothing to worry about does that answer your question Janiel?

Not to throw anything at you but didn't you say you are 16, QueenoftheNight? And you wanted all ur sister to know what mistakes to make and not to make. So this RAP music wouldn't have anything to do with ur past would it? cause not all rap is bad. (mind you i can't even believe i'm writing that since i am not a huge fan of rap) And how "mature" do you need to be to listen to rap? Rap varies from artist to artist. Compare ICP to Usher - not really the same.

I don't anyway

and no it doesn't answer my question.

Actually there is a difference. I nigga is more of a street homie, kinda like a gang buddy. A nigger is a black guy that's into something illegal, and someone you don't know.

Nigga -
Nigger -


There is a difference, yes. But it isn't a very big one.

The word 'Nigga' is offensive to me even though i'm not black, because 'Only black people can call each other Nigga'...it creates another type of people, and that can be related to racism.

Its like calling white people Kracker, and I think thats offensive to....

I'd like this world without names of a persons skin color that only each other can call each other .

Little girl? Please.

I know how tough you think you are. Just like all the other kids who dream of being gangsta rappers.

Yeah that's my dream got of problem of it? TO bad if you do I don't care! Actually I know im not tought, but i can handle my own. Half the people here can probabaly kick my a$$ but I dont back down so I don't care. ou just need to mind ya own business .

for the record I didnt mean there was any good message to it all, but odly I still find it catchy.

I actually don't hate all rap music.

VANILLA ICE r0x0rZ WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

I wish this had been brought up earlier.

Since this is a hard battle to fight, what I'm going to say goes against all the equality standards I follow.


Rap is terrible, and all the new rap, well, sucks. It used to be about going fast, and making cool sounds with your mouth as well as on the keyboard and whatnot, now its about being a thug. It really destroyed society and reminds of that song where they say" Video killed the radio star" except "Rap killed the general public." If you don't have talent and your only purpose is to flaunt your money, I would rather support an organized assassination of you than listen to what you've got to say. I'm not one that should make the rules, but I think a civil society has no place for the scum that some of our teen idols are. This goes for you too Ashlee Simpson.

Sounds like u hate everyone but yaself!

BE COOL STAY IN SCHOOL!!!!

KRIS KROSS IS THE BEST!!!!

I really need to keep my cool so I don't get kicked off the forum! haha Can't let some wannab get me kicked!

Not being rude, but from what I've read, it looks like you just admitted to wanting to follow in the 'rappers' footsteps.

Well take my comments how you want.... & no your not being rude we all got different opinons. But I want to be a rapper and I would like to do some things like 2PAC yes. I wanna give back to my community write songs and change peoples lives. Tupac changed many lives just 'cause you may not like him that don't mean some other kid or person don't like him ya see.

your right, tupac did change lifes. yeh, he has some good songs here and there... but most of it is what I said before. Guns, Killing, and The Thug Life. I grew up in the ghetto also, and had it more rough then most people. I got caught up in all that sh** and started smoking, drinking, having sex and what not. Then one fine day someone made me realize that all that was bull sh**! and just because I have it bad don't mean I have to make it worse and live a thug life like 2pac points out. Rap is only bad to the people like you, and many others who are not mature enough to listen and know that its just music. If you can listen without being affected and change your lifestyle because of it, then more power to you

Nirvana and 80s Audioslave Beatles. Those are my top fav music

But people like you will never understand he made bad sonfs for peple who live that life can actually relate to it! Also he made songs for people who don't like him like if you mess with me Ima get you. So basicallly his songs are saying mess with me Ima mess with you. Or there songs people can relate to. Basically Tupac knew some people would hate him so I aint even gonna say nothing. He even said many hate me many love me.

I listen to music for entertainment. To get away from real life for a bit. Rap does that for me. Sorry, I don't need some significant meaning in my music. I get that from other places. Just for the record, 50cent is excellent.

is " if you mess with me, I'll mess with you " the right attitude for little boys and girls such as yourself? That basically says, that if a kid accidentally bumps into you, then you have the right to kick his ass? I hate people like that. What ever happened to I dunno, forgiviness? Instead of starting sh** like tupac implies, we should teach our children that violence is wrong, and you should walk away from it

Either you just don't understand or your being ignorent. Look you most likely have a good life don't grow up in poverty or a hood or you know. Basically what TUpac says is look if you mess with me ima mess with you. NOT BUMP INTO ME IMA KICK YA ASS NO! Tupac has respect for the rap gAME OK. Some arist such as EMinem I don't like sayin ima kill my mom shi* like that. And tupac did try to teach violence i wrong duh! He went to a poor meighborhood(one you probabaly never had to live in) and said if we lower the crime rate im gonna bring good rappers free concerts and parties for you all HE SAID THAT TO A POOR NEIGHBORHOOD!
I'm just tryin to say tupac was great he meant well on everything. AND U PROBABALY NEVER HEARD A TUPAC SONG u probabaly one of those laies who just assmue things !

I listened to many of Tupac's songs and I don't hear to much bad things like what I hear from Gangsta Rap. When I watch some of Tupacs music videos, they're like 'Keep Ya Head Up' is my favorite one, and the title explains itself. It tells you to not let life mess with you and go no where but forward.

Tupac didn't say all bad stuff. Most of his songs were about life and all the difficulties and hard times in it, living in 3rd class streets. I think he shows a lot of recognition to those who are living in poverty among the Ghettos.

I listen to Rap and Hip-Hop music a lot and I like to listen to it. Its what they tell me and how they tell me that keeps my head nod with the beat. I don't try to 'Live Gangsta' or 'Live like a thug in the Ghetto', but Rap music is a music genre and I just enjoy the music and give it recognition to what the morale's and theme's are in the songs...

I agree on some level that some of the content in the current rap music is a bit too hardcore for young kids to hear, but at the same time parents should monitor what their children listen to. I have young kids myself and I forbid them from watching some music videos for all the sexuality portrayed in it. I don't think that a 7 year old should be exposed to these sort of things.
True, you can't watch a child 24-7, but it is a parent's responsiblity to know what their child is involved in for most of that time. Anything less than that is a cop out and they are looking for excuses and a scapegoat for a child's misbehaviour.
But on the other hand, I like to listen to some of the music of rap...partly because it is my job. I am a music producer and it is my goal to target the majority of prospective buyers...which are, of course, the teenagers...but I keep it a main priority not to throw smut and violence exclusively. I think most kids have enough of that to deal with as it is, but if there is a positive message involved in the song-" yeah, I used to be a criminal, drug dealer, whatever-but I changed.Look at the positve things I'm doing in my life now,.."then I think it is ok. As long as more positive comes out than negative...

This is not just about Tupac. I like his music, but some of the things he says like "I can only live a thug life" and some of the things he implies are what I am complianing about. Tupac is one of the better artist, but he still implies wrong things in some of his songs. And, just so you know.. I did grow up in the ghetto, and know whats its like to not eat. Dont assume things.. that is beside the point anyway. I used to listen to him all the time, know the lyrics to 90% of his songs. Yeh, he sings good songs, but he also sings bad ones to. All I said was to not make it that he is totally right in everything he says. He has done bad sh**, and said bad sh**, and raped bad sh**... like most rap artist of this generation do. Not everything he does is bad, but its still there.. and still affecting youngsters like yourself and many others

I do not listen to Rap music.

Cutting down on the freedom to describe a hardship or story in a song is a very good debate. If unsavory language or descriptions is at the core of this debate...certainly its worth a look-over.

But you must consider that songs with strong emotions have been in our history long before Rap was discovered.

Was Rap present when Bonnie and Clyde robbed banks and shot and killed police?

Did it have a impact on Jesse James's murderous train robbing sprees?

As long as violence permeates our culture there will always be somebody who will record it in a story or a song.

the reason why pac had some "bad" songs is because he had heat with some east coast "niggaz" he was rapping about them and how much he hated them that is as simple as one can explain it

Yeh, but by writing them bad lyrics, he affected the minds of young teens and foolish kids. Rap artist need to thing before they write that sh** down. I am also not saying that rap is the main reason for violence, it just plays a big part in our youths generation.

It's not the rap artists that are too blame, it's the record labels, music stations, and marketing people that are too blame, and should decide what gets put in the spotlight and what doesn't. I am still against alot forms of censorship

you are right in some ways, and in another not. Most rap artist do write their own stuff, so its their fault also. But your right. There are many rap artist out there that are completely positive, society just hides them from us.

For one thing, if you don't like it don't listen to it. If you have kids, you should have control over what they hear(at least with you) and teach them what you believe. Censorship sucks!

Censorship sucks for the children like you ericraven, and for most of the pot-head, violent, bad little kiddies out there.

Arrrrggggghhhhhhh. 1984. arrrrgggghhhhhh. The more you ban bad things the more people want them. If you ban rap kids will just try harder to get it and then have to hide it.
Try turning off the t.v. and talking to your kids. Even if they don't want to listen I guarantee they are. Parenting is like the #1 most important job in the world and if u teach your kids good moral they will be able to make informed decisions in everything they do. Even if you work two jobs, you gotta make sure you know whats going on in your kids lives. Being a parent is more than just putting food on the table, or rims on your suv. Step up. Hate me if you want, but YOU are your kids biggest influence. Use it.
sorry about the rant. i've seen to many slacker parents putting emphasis on material things instead of values. sux

Parents are a big influence, I am not doubting that. Your right, their are many slack-ass parents. I am just saying everyone... that when you are 13,14,and what not.. your to hard-headed to listen to your parents ( most kids anyway ) so, they end up listening to these rappers, and end up following the wrong morals

I also think it's just a fad(or phase) too, all the "gangster" kids/teens out there, once they get older they have to get a job, a girlfriend, a car, a house, and start having to act grown up, and realize how silly they were acting before. Unless they have rich parents that buy them everything, but thats another problem.