I usually have a very open mind with things, but aliens I have a hard time to believe have been there. There is one thing that does spark my curiosity with aliens though, and that is Area 51. I saw a show on it and was amazed at how secretive the government can be. Why would they build this out in the middle of no where, and so heavily guarded by people watching you and what not. Anyone got any more info on this place?

well a lot of different aircraft experiments happen around that place. 1 was the Stealth plane

http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/stealth/b-2-clouds.jpg

ISNT THAT AMAZING!. anyway, i think they hid it for around 10 years.

There is a plane that supposedly is being tested called Aurora, It travels Extremely fast. http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/aurora.htm Check it out there.

Anyway. some things are best kept seceret. I personally dont believe they have Aliens or anything. But they definitly do have some out of this world tech, I believe that.

Why is it built in the middle of the great salt flats? Because it is where they test secret aircrafts. Out there, there's no one snapping pictures and no one for the plane to fall on if something goes wrong. As for being secretive, come on. National security is hardly mysterious.

I for one happen to know a lot of these things are true. In the co. I work for we have two x military that had top secret knowledge. One is a former air traffic controller for area 51. Who told me they moved it and that yes they do have alien craft. The other Guy was just called back in in a supervisory position in Iraq. He had told me that when he first received top clearance he was told all the things about roswell and other things were fact. And that they have on going dialog with other than mankind. How ever there are many other sentient beings, they are as diverse as the population of earth.

Area 51 at groom lake was the testing site for most of our high-tech aircraft since the '40's. They have to be secretive for national security purposes.

I agree burch. That is very interesting.

I have a hard time beliving that 2 ex military with Top Secret Clearence would openly blert it out, and even 99.99% of people with Top Secret Clearence dont know the half of things going on.

If there were aliens it would be on a "need to know", and would only be told to people who the can trust to keep it a secret. And im sure if you did blurt it out, you would of dissapeared, or found dead a short time later.

Area 51 is an illogical place to have a Secret Base for holding aliens, its the logical place for an Above Top Secret Airbase, which the US government denies exsits (except once). The logical place would be in the Rockeys, because there you could be reletivly protected from Nuclear blasts, and be remote enough that most people cant make it there.

~Thanato

hmmm interesting..

area 51 is also known as groom lake and is still in a security form similar to when it was established. it was established to hide US intelligence during the cold war and is still growing, especially in the runway sections. There have satellite images released and show hangars and various facilities. Claims of wastes being burned here were dismissed and satellite images show where these burn piles may have been from darker areas. I'm just curious has anyone ever had the guts to walk up to a security guard and request to see an alien body or are there any tours available for $17.00.

Dangerous to walk up to a guard at area 51. You are warned to back off, if you still keep coming you can be shot.

u dont have to be warned, i was watching a Documentury on it were a group of 6 went up to Groom Lake and then they saw the white van and on the sign saying "Truspassers will be shot".

~Thanato

The rumored trail-

AIP

Lawrence Livermore

CMS

UnUnPentium and Bismuth 83

Stories are told by Mr. Lazar that a small reactor accident at the Nevada Test Site
occured during the remote opening of an operational Element 115 reactor.
He claims it exploded, and killed a few individual researchers who were within range.
And, that in order to cover the matter up, Lawrence Livermore,
who run Yucca Flats test area, declared the seismic register as the result
of the collapse of a test shaft due to disuse and instability.

First of all, who is that dumb, to be close enough to such a bold experiment?

According to the United States National Data Center, the last reported seismic event at NTS was on Sept. 23, 1992. It was code named Divider, it did occur
in a shaft, vs. a tunnel, it was weapons related, and it had a yield of 120 kt.
It was not reported to be a collapse of an existing tunnel.

So much for Bob Lazar's story.

Who is he? In 1989, he claimed on KLAS-TV (Las Vegas) that he had worked with alien spacecraft at Papoose Lake, south of Area 51. He claims to have been a top
USN nuclear physicist. The truth is he has no degrees from his claimed MIT or CIT attendance. He only worked for a sub-contractor and not for Los Alamos
National Labs. He attended Pierce Junior College in So. California.
At the same time he was supposedly at MIT 2500 miles away.
He finished in the bottom third of his highschool class, which would have precluded acceptance at MIT, and named a supposed physics Prof. from CIT who never taught there but did teach at Pierce.

Area 51? A six by ten mile block of land that BL was likely never close to.
Secret Area? You bet! UFOs from outer space?
Too many witnesses to conceal a story like that, but you never know...

Lights in the night-

They told you this, huh? No wonder they no longer have Top Secret Clearance.

Seriously, there are tours from Roswell to Area 51. It is a facility where Top Secret aircraft are tested, not a secret in and of itself. Nobody is denying that it exists, not since the early 1950's anyway.

Yeah, what was the point of that again? Some guy goes to the top of the mountain there, see's the base, and the government still claims that it doesnt exist? Didnt they admit its existance only as recently as 92 or something?

More red tape thing than anything else. Security clearances back then (and many today) are done in ten-year or twenty-year chunks of time. That means that if something is Top Secret, you do not talk about it until it is no longer Top Secret. Doesn't matter if it's been discovered, if it's on the front page of the New York Times, if the rear end of a flying saucer is sticking of the Capital Dome, the simple fact of the matter is that one does not talk about Top Secret things to the general public. After the ten or twenty years is up, the project comes up for security review again, and is either once again classified, re-classified, or de-classified, depending on need. Back in the fifty's when everyone and their little brother knew about Area 51, it was deemed no longer fit for Top Secret, and reclassified for only Above Secret projects. Government denial of the based ceased at that time.

Where people get confused is about the individual projects that occured there. For instance, Project Mogul, the giant weather balloon project that was announced in the early 90's and that was responsible for the UFO story. This was a seperate project in and of itself, and was begun in the early sixties in order to fully map the air currents that the Japanese had used to bomb us. Because of its importance, it was classified as Top Secret twice in row, over forty years, till it was deemed ready to declassify, mostly because every airline had a map of the air currents hanging in the pilots lounge.

The goverment has a right, a responsabilaty, to protect its secrets of national security. Though i have strong beleifs about area 51's residents, I'm sure if they wern't there it would be just as top secret.

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Some time ago I posted that my brother almost got employed at S-4 [for those who know what and where this area is] - but changed his mind when he talked to some of the Techs who worked there about how terribly oppressive and stressing the security is there - not to mention the isolation.

Government secrecy is a necessity where it concerns security of technology. We have a lot of "crazies" in this world who would like nothing better than to steal our technology and use it against us.

On the other hand - secrecy is also necessary to PROTECT the public from itself!! There are things that some people would have a hard time dealing with - where reality is concerned.

Area 51 has expanded to keep the "curious" from piling up on the land - and also to maintain integrity because of the expanded test ranges. A MAJORITY of the projects there are for testing STATE OF THE ART Aircraft and other highly classified weapons. Including scalar waves generators (which are scattered throughout). Anything BELOW certain levels [underground], on the other hand - deal with "foreign" technology and REVERSE ENGINEERING.

EG&G [ http://www.egginc.com/ ] runs some shop projects up there and many of the workers travel by jet from Las Vegas airport to Nellis Air Force Base, then transfer (with bus windows blacked out) - to various areas [NORTH] according to NEED TO KNOW. What happens after the "where" I am in the dark - and for good reason!!

HOWEVER!! Check some interesting sites on Dulce, New Mexico - Montauk, Long Island -- and understand that FEMA also has a lot to do with UNDERGROUND structures. The why? The threat from "out there" may not necessarily be from hostile E.T.'s. You never know when a rogue asteroid may decide to DROP IN for an extended visit!! Would they tell us if one was coming our way? I think you know what would happen if we were told that one were to hit in a few days. WE are NOT prepared (thanks to Congressional budget cuts to Hubble and SETI et al). But for the ELITE [with unlimited purse strings] -- they would be able to safely settle into the comforts of an underground city not far from their own home district.

I doubt this would help - but there are things I am no longer "briefed" on and it would be improper for me to break my protocols [and sworn oath!]!

From the Gryphon's Lair

gryphon....the elite....like vice president Cheney? I read that there were sonic booms going off regularly near his home. They were doing some kind of construction a few years back.

Please tell us more.

Are they crazies? Perhaps it is YOU who are the crazies, for building weapons you know will ultimatley be used as tools against you.

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Better to watch FOX NEWS Chap!! Seems the OTHER networks are STILL cranky about losing credibility with this last election [as I assume this is where this is going].

The ideas and drawing board plans were made in the '60's -- and if you REALLY want to get your juices stirring ... better check out the Clinton Executive Orders that MOST of the PUBLIC were not aware of!

H/W: http://www.probe.org/docs/c-execorders.html

Sorry Pal!! The shelters are NOT limited to Republicans as you so assume!!

When it comes to survival -- the ELITE say it is "EVERY MAN [oops! person] for theirselves!!

The Gentleman who gave FEMA the MOST power signed an executive order that BYPASSED Congressional Scrutiny within the last ten years (tell you something!?).

Brush up on survival skills and LEARN to live with Nature and you will have no problem surviving the Great Earth Changes now upon us ... and they are.

While you are at it .... read a lot more. Had we NOT given Hell to Afghanistan, Iraq ... and HELD A TRUE COURSE in our Agenda of being FIRM in the Acts of Terrorism -- we would have had a LOT MORE 9-11's. Sorry again, but IRAN will also pose a problem, as well as North Korea -- and China where it concerns Taiwan. WHO should mind the store while all of us decide to go out and play??

Sorry Chap -- but we were given NO CHOICE as to being the World's Beacon. If many have a problem with that then I would suggest they come up with another country with more might -- with more MORE RESOLVE -- or you and all of us will be biting our nails in worry as to the next time we take a subway, train, bus, or drive through a tunnel -- or even work in a high rise business establishment.

The weapons research now going on in places like Area 51 are what gives us the "edge" -- REGARDLESS of WHERE it may come from. We should count our blessings that NOTHING has happened to our country SINCE 9-11. BUT .. that potential is still there.

If I could -- I would go deep back into my closet and put my old uniform back on... NO QUESTIONS ASKED --

Mr. Cheny is an experienced [albeit Cranky] Old Fart [sorry for the term!!] who knows his stuff -- as well as many of Clinton's advisors and right hand men. Let's let them who KNOW what to do handle what we don't!!

By the way MOST of the "Elite" are those who preside in what we would call the 'Shadow Givernment' -- the powers that be ..... NOT the obvious public figures we were told to dispise [by whom?]

[As a further aside I would rather take my chances with Mother nature than deal with all those cranky people underground!]

Sonic booms mean nothing, Pal! They had happened to me OVER my apartment in those ten years I spent in Virginia Beach (near NAS [Naval Air Station] Oceana) -- and oft times I lost my own self-made fresh baked bread because of it! But there are no [underground] shelters there! If an [Navy] F-14 or F-18 burped for one second -- it was history to anything it fell upon!!! And that exists as a continuous problem to this day [but NOT the reason why I moved from there].

I bid my excusing for the evening!!

Night All!

From the Gryphon's Lair

Actually, Oceana doesn't allow mach+ over land anymore, although that has stopped some from complaining about booms.

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You got it Chap!! I almost bought Real Estate there -- but the Ocean Front was not worth the expense and the jet noise oft times actually helped me to sleep (had AirCraft Carrier duty) ....

And .... "booms" were usually from those cocky young "Hot Dogs" who played Tom Cruise over the beach.

But ... one gets used to anything.

From the Gryph's lair

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I AM Ex-Military [US Navy Cryptologic Technician] and would follow through that we ALL swore an oath upon debrief and dismissal from service [discharge] that what we knew -- we DON'T know any more. Guys with HEAVY clearances sometime get a little frustrated that NO ONE KNOWS what they do [an avenue of immaturity here] -- and decide to tell all.

As well as having twelve levels ABOVE Top Secret [myself] - at DIA and NSA/CSS as well as ONI ... there are things that are timely, fragile to incident - and negliigible to what we consider a priority of today. HOWEVER -- there remains things we DO KNOW ABOUT -- are SWORN TO SECRECY on an oath we took -- and will DENY because we made a promise to our own Government to this.

Again ... IF and I mean IF there involves the safety of the average "John Q.", his family, and innocent people -- EXCEPTIONS must be made. There are some of us who feel the Government is acting a little above and beyond their given reason(s) for its disregard and neglect for innocent civilians, THIS is my line [drawn in the sand] and I will DISREGARD MY OWN OATH and consider the people more important.

I will say no more -- but --- there ARE things that the public NEEDS to know about -- NOT just for curiosity -- but for SURVIVAL. And if it fits the mold -- it will be brought up here and backed up with factual information - as best as can be done.

This concerns .. asteroids coming VERY CLOSE [and there are FAR TOO MANY UNANNOUNCED N.E.A.R.s [ http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ ] ; terrorists who flow EASILY through the Mexican Border; Mad Scientists with a grudge; missing nuclear devices; another Dr. Death [who is misguided by a very LIBERAL environment]; and ... some very angry people who feel Bush "STOLE" the election [which has yet to be proven] ... and the list goes on .... and the question is not only WHY; but HOW did it come to this>??

Our MAJOR concerns should be far more focussed ... far more than the words spilled into these pages, friend!@

The Rockies ARE NOT a good place friend [tectonics] -- they would be more suited in an environment in the NORTHERN REACHES of the Carlsbad Caverns. Measure well the Vibes [people effected by the 'hums'] of Taos, the lights upon Santa Fe Baldy [SRV will provide the reasons for this] Mountain -- the isolation of Dulce, New Mexico ... and UNDERNEATH the very noses of those people waiting for flights at Denver Airport!!

Oh there is more -- MUCH MORE!

From the Gryphon's Lair

What are the 'hums'? I mean we hear about them and read about them....what are they?
Very worried about the borders. We should shut down the borders.

Cheney is the man! ...I know there are many people running the country, but if anything happened to Cheney, I would get a little nervous.

And what do you mean by survival? If all hell breaks loose wouldn't we be better underground ....or in a shelter in the ground? And if we came out from a small cavity within the earth what would we come out to?

Would we be more likely to suffer more and wished we were dead?



What sort of survival skills are we talking here..."a country boy can survive" type?

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OK -- I will spell out the beans on this -- this afternoon. The Taos "hums" [if you will] -- and maybe this will not make sense ... but has to be told. There lies FACTS through Remote Viewing about a certain "colony" existing UNDER [Santa Fe] Old Baldy! I will go into detail on this later.

Survival would be better "underground" IF you have something designed to take the terrible stresses of massive earthquakes and resulting tidals [waves]. But city-wide UNDERGROUND with very cranky and scared bureaucrats?? I would rather survive on the surface, Kitten! Or something close to this...
MORE on this later ... as I feel it needs to be known!

SRV says that "survivors" exist UNDER Santa Fe Baldy Mountain. WHO these people are remains subject to further ...... er ah .... study! BUT ... the close ties are with [of all places] .... MARS. More on this THIS DAY! And all I will include in -- direction of proof - or at least a direction of research. The TAOS hums are related [perhaps to underground machinery?!].

I went to college at New Mexico Highlands University at Las Vegas [NOT Nevada] -- in New Mexico. Not far from Taos -- and my experience in 1967 corresponded with the many "mutilations" happening at that time. AND the disappearence of an entire family in the mountains. But those "hums" drove EVERYONE nuts -- except for one.
And anyone with a map will TRACE those signals from Carlsbad caverns to the SOUTH -- all the way up to and including San Luis Valley in Colorado -- almost identical to the FULL LENGHTH of the Carlsbad caverns. Even then NO ONE knows where those .... well more on thsi later!!

Me and three other college chums were camped out on what was called Hermit's Peak near Las Vegas. Our experiences [notwithstanding] - will be revealed later. As I feel it is negligible, yet significant.

For now ... look for more on this later ...

From the Gryphon's Lair

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I will answer your questions later, Hon .. [if I may]....

From the Gryph's Lair

Fantastic...can't wait to hear more. And, of course, I have more questions.

Hey Gryphon,

Are you the guy that Called in to C2C the other day when Timothy Good was on? The caller claimed he was X military with similar credentials.
WJ

I was under the impression that additional NASA astroid tracking
is made by amateur volunteers, at observatories after-hours.

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No, I'm afraid not Pal .. But there are times when I would like to have -- !!
I have been a Coast-TO-Coast fan for years and Miss the All Night Talk.

Gotta go away for a while ... may be back in a couple of weeks.

Making a trip to (of all places) Montauk Long Island (sound familiar?).

Take care guys and keep posting.

From the Gryphon's Lair

I remember fondly playing some awesome games of paintball out there by the hangars...wait, not me! I meant a friend of mine...yeah, that's it...a friend...

You sound like an Area 51 spy.

I don't beleive we've crossed paths yet, fellow wanderer, so WELCOME TO UM!

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Hey, gryphon! Are you out there, man?

I read an Article that said they moved staff out of 51 due to emerging fallout from underground nuke testing.

The article studied the fact that the Navy had annexed a ton of land in Puerto Rico and that it is most likely there. That or the most sensitive programs are now there.

One piece of trivia talks about an Air strip that was built there that is the logest in the world. I've seen satellite photos of it. Its so long that two space shuttles can land at opposite ends, coast to a stop with no chute or brakes, and still have 2 miles of distance separating them. There must be some incredible craft using it don't you think? Or perhaps they just had alot of extra ashpalt laying around.

I read they moved a good part of the program to another location too. Where is it exactly?

So, if your saying that the mountains in washington state do half caverns and life under them, so what about the himalayas, caverns in india, under europe, and death valley etc? If there are hidden people, why don't they exactly show them selves to us?

In all seriousness, would you? Given the nature of our species, to loot and pillage everything that isn't ours, and our fascination in cutting up species that aren't our own.

HI!
I'm a huge believer in the paranormal of all sorts especially the existenece of aliens and their worlds.
But how is it that your two x millitary men were allowed to disclose of such information without fear of their lives. And how is it that your not afraid to disclose this information on an open for viewing website??
No disrespect meant, just a bit of curiosity...
Oh Area 51 is definatly holding something that civillians are not meant to know about.

Viki16

Man, there is a lot of information, true and really weird floating around on this one. Quotes are in red for clarity. And cuz I quoted a lot of people.

Why is it built in the middle of the great salt flats?

It's not in the middle of the Salt Flats, that is in Utah. Groom lake is about 90 miles North east of Las Vegas.

I for one happen to know a lot of these things are true. In the co. I work for we have two x military that had top secret knowledge. One is a former air traffic controller for area 51. Who told me they moved it and that yes they do have alien craft

I question this statement. 1. 95% of all employees at Groom lake, including ATC are civilian contract employees. 2. The military is only invoved in very minor rolls, and are generally high ranking officers.

Area 51 at groom lake was the testing site for most of our high-tech aircraft since the '40's. They have to be secretive for national security purposes.
And that's about all it has ever been.

I have a hard time beliving that 2 ex military with Top Secret Clearence would openly blert it out, and even 99.99% of people with Top Secret Clearence dont know the half of things going on.

Agree. Anyone with security clearences high enough to have worked at Groom, or any of the sensitive areas of NTS knows that they can be imprisioned for twenty-five years or longer for divulging that they even worked there. This threat does not end when they quit or retire, but can in certain cases last their entire life.

Bob Lazar, Who is he? In 1989, he claimed on KLAS-TV (Las Vegas) that he had worked with alien spacecraft at Papoose Lake, south of Area 51. He claims to have been a top
USN nuclear physicist. The truth is he has no degrees from his claimed MIT or CIT attendance. He only worked for a sub-contractor and not for Los Alamos
National Labs. He attended Pierce Junior College in So. California.
At the same time he was supposedly at MIT 2500 miles away.
He finished in the bottom third of his highschool class, which would have precluded acceptance at MIT, and named a supposed physics Prof. from CIT who never taught there but did teach at Pierce.

Lazar has been proven to be a fraud. Even though he claims it's a government cover up.

More red tape thing than anything else. Security clearances back then (and many today) are done in ten-year or twenty-year chunks of time. That means that if something is Top Secret, you do not talk about it until it is no longer Top Secret. Doesn't matter if it's been discovered, if it's on the front page of the New York Times, if the rear end of a flying saucer is sticking of the Capital Dome, the simple fact of the matter is that one does not talk about Top Secret things to the general public. After the ten or twenty years is up, the project comes up for security review again, and is either once again classified, re-classified, or de-classified, depending on need. Back in the fifty's when everyone and their little brother knew about Area 51, it was deemed no longer fit for Top Secret, and reclassified for only Above Secret projects. Government denial of the based ceased at that time

And just so no one thinks I am saying two different things. Security clearences are in the range of 1, 5, 10, 20 and lifetime. With most being in the ten to twenty year range for those with higher clearences. It also depends on the project or area you are assigned to.

EG&G [ http://www.egginc.com/ ] runs some shop projects up there and many of the workers travel by jet from Las Vegas airport to Nellis Air Force Base, then transfer (with bus windows blacked out) - to various areas [NORTH] according to NEED TO KNOW. What happens after the "where" I am in the dark - and for good reason!!

Those who work at S-4 AKA area 51 or the Groom Lake Complex, fly directly from McCarren airport Executive terminal at the Strip end on the airport. ( This is also where military troops heading for National training center, Barstow Calif. fly into before they are transported by bus to the desert.) Nellis Air Force base is on the other side of Vegas. In north Las Vegas to be exact. It would make no sense to fly 20 or so miles just to get on another plane.
Also, the blacked out buses are only for those who do not wish to fly.

The Gentleman who gave FEMA the MOST power signed an executive order that BYPASSED Congressional Scrutiny within the last ten years (tell you something!?).
Clinton, Bush Sr. Nixon and Eisenhower have all signed E.O.s that gave FEMA or another agency full power in time of national emergency.

I AM Ex-Military [US Navy Cryptologic Technician] and would follow through that we ALL swore an oath upon debrief and dismissal from service [discharge] that what we knew -- we DON'T know any more. Guys with HEAVY clearances sometime get a little frustrated that NO ONE KNOWS what they do [an avenue of immaturity here] -- and decide to tell all.

As well as having twelve levels ABOVE Top Secret [myself] - at DIA and NSA/CSS as well as ONI ... there are things that are timely, fragile to incident - and negliigible to what we consider a priority of today. HOWEVER -- there remains things we DO KNOW ABOUT -- are SWORN TO SECRECY on an oath we took -- and will DENY because we made a promise to our own Government to this
I will not question your credentials because I don't know you. However, I will warn you that it may not be the wisest thing to do. A few month ago I posted a picture of my NTS security badge on a thread much like this one. F/B will remember that one because he commented on I looked like what he though I should/would. I was asked by the DOE to remove it. Even though I have not been connected to the NTS since 92, and the badge was for the year 90-91 and has had several design changes. Just a friendly word of warning.

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I read they moved a good part of the program to another location too. Where is it exactly?

Part of the Groom lake complex has been relocated to a facility south or Green River Utah. Groom Lake, and the Tonapah test range will still be used for aircraft, with the GR complex for other non-aircraft flight related testing. One of the reasons for this was due to the publicity groom lake has goten since 1990.

Fascinating. I have read this info. before in books, but 'your' info. is quite illuminating.

question: What is NTS and DOE?...and, I'm assuming, the new location even more off-limits?


...what was your position or connection to area 51?...that is if you can tell us.

Babs, NTS: Nevada Test Site. This is were the U.S. has tested Nuclear weapons and continues to test other weapons.

DOE: Department of Energy.

When I was a contract employee for the NTS, my security clearances were issued by the DOE.

The new site in Utah is known as the Green River Complex as far as I know. It used to be an abandoned test facility and believe it or not, a Japanese interment camp. It has a small Airstrip, but can only handle smaller jets, no commercial size 747's There is also another site in Utah that back in the fifties was used to test ejection seats. It was located high atop a mesa just outside of St. George. UT It had been, until recently, abandoned and anyone could just drive up to the place and poke around. Now there is a high chain link fence and armed guards at this facility. Makes one wonder.

Cool thread guys.

I don't know if there are aliens being kept at Area 51 or not, maybe its all a ruse that the governments encourage to stop us from looking in the right places. I'd love to go there and check the place out for myself that's for sure.

A little earlier I found a site where you can download free photographs of area 51 if anyones interested plus there are also some way cool scanned press articles that date back to the 1940's but I haven't had chance to go through them, I downloaded them cos they're worth checking out I reckon.

Area 51 pics and Scanned News Clippings of UFO Sightings.

Enjoy!

Terrific site!....can't find area 51 pics though.

stillcrazy...Are you saying the DOE is reading the UM forums?

Not exactly. Because I am a political/policy analyst, with contracts with many varied companies, organizations and so on. I am required to disclose, per contract, any affiliations to organizations, clubs, groups and so on and so forth.
Back before the election, I got into some trouble with three of my clients for some of my personal political opinions. Thus my absence for about three weeks, waiting for the contracts to expire.

As a contract employee at NTS, I was allowed to maintain a photo copy of all relative material that had to do with my assignment at NTS. As a joke, and more over a piece of evidence that, yes indeed, I had worked at NTS I posted a photo copy of my old NTS security badge. With name and numbers smeared out.

I AM under scrutiny, not UM members in general. However, under the Patriot act 1 and 2, I have no doubt that some poor fellow in a dark room some where reads all these forums looking for subversive people. Put that's just my paranoia kicking in.

Are you out of your mind? Do you really think they would take the time?
(It is your paranoia kicking in).

Anyway, tell us more about area 51. .....I mean if you dare?

Why does it make you wonder about this new spot the govenment has...didn't they patrol area 51 closely, too?

I doubt they have a guy surfing the net all day long, I was being silly.

However, Under the patriot act, every email sent, every website that is visited and so on downthe line is filtered through TIA computers. TIA Also know as in it's prior life, Total Information Awareness, later changed to Terrorist Informatoin Awareness (to make it more palatable to the average American) Different name, same function.

In my case, and again this only applies to me, as I have to disclose to my clients that I am a member here at UM, They wil,l and often do, check my post to see if my personal opinions may bias the product that they pay for. (It never has, as my staff checks to verify my information for accuracy.)

These folks your see guarding the NTS, Tonapah test range, Area 51 come into two groups, neither military. 1) is wackenhut security, a global private security company with vast government contracts. Link to Wackenhut The second is local Sheriff departments. Nye county for the NTS and Tonapah TR. Since the late fifties or early sixties, there has not been a great deal of military police at the bases, because in all reality these are not Military installations, but federally owned test facilities, run by private contractors.

Area 51, as you know most-likely, is a highly securitized area where technology and advancements are beyond what the people of the country and/or world knows. Area 51 is so secretly hidden due to the publics own safety. The government and president don't want to release information where the government themselves aren't sure what it is or what they are dealing with. For example, if an alien spacecraft (U.F.O.) landed in Nevada, it wouldn't occur in the news (Unless the information leaked out to the public). Why? To prevent madness and pandemonium from the world. People may suspect "Martians have come to take over the world". Area 51 is to prevent that. In Area 51, the most highly advanced subjects take place inside. Extra terrestials to mysteries to biological and nuclear weapons, its something thats extremely important to the government itself.

Now knowing or not if aliens have visited Area 51 or are working with Area 51 employees is something we'll probably never know. I would do anything to find out but of course, its that secret and its that important to the government.

Why build it in the middle of no where? Nevada is a very plain desert spot where the population isn't dense. Theirfore, anything that would be needed to be done outside, involve large experiments, etc. wouldn't leak out to the public. No noises could be heard, and usually nothing can be seen from testing experiments based on Area 51 and S1 (the aerospace testing center). Though their have been some sightings of extreme highly advanced planes moving at thousands of miles per hour, transforming into shapes, or just dissappearing. Also, hundreds and hundreds of U.F.O. flying saucer sightings have been experienced, encountered, and seen before. (Many people due to this believe Area 51 has something of the extra terrestials that is either attracting them or making them get something that they have).

Area 51 got its name based on hangars that were located in the present area. Then, they changed to sectors and eventually got up to the number Sector 51. Eventually, it became a highly securitized governmental area and became "Area" 51 keeping its original number.

To show you how serious the security is their, here are some illegally taken pictures (not by me):

It seems that the only way to reveal the secrets of Area 51... is to invade and conquer it!!

Yeah, ha! And then we'll get killed by the strongest army the government could find...