Ok,since it's a carcass,most of you are probably assuming that it's a basking shark carcass.BUT,this creature is not decomposed,and it still has it's shiny leathery skin intact.Since it is not decomposed,and just shows a snakelike creature,this cannot be a mistaken identity for a basking shark.Notice little things like where the eyes are on it's head.That is a weird position,and therefor,that creature would have a odd blind spot above it.And also the mouth,it is shaped differently.Anyway,what does everyone think about it?

On the crytozology.com site, they had a aritcle on that and it had been debunked as another creature. I believe it had been some type of whale. I will try to look it up.

Probably not a sea monster. It doesn't really look like a real animal to me, it sort of looks like a piece of wood or plastic or something of the like. I can't see any sighn of eyes. Most likely a deliberate hoax or a misidentification of the carcass of a known animal.

yep, looks like some sort of sea going mammal like a dolphin because of the snout and mellon (bulbus forehead) or another type of toothed whale.

I see what could be a head, but no real view of a body. Possibly it may just be a simulacra, possibly a rock..If it is indeed a creature though, I'd say it looks most like a Porpoise or small whale; a Cetacean of some sort in any case..

I think its real. Look at the close up of its heard and the birds eye view.

It shows decompositon exactly like a real marine creature would, especially around the eyes and jaw. Although this means it can't be a model, I also doubt it is any other type of sea creature.

Any chance of a link to this article that debunks it?

I'd like to read it.

oo, I think I see where the eye is! Yea, that looks like a dolphin or something.

Neat find, Canadian....I have no idea what it is......

I agree with Canadian. No creature would be given an eye with a blindspot like that by evoloution or creation, unless it was extreamaley flexable, like a snake, so it could move around to counter that blind spot.

Sorry but THE MOMENT I looked at the pic I thought it was a dolphin, or something like it.

I mean come on CR, you claim to be a marine biologist don't you, or at least training to be? LOOK at the second pic, the shape of the mouth, the position of the eyes... it is so dolphin-like it is almost ludicrous...



Look at the characteristic "smile" and shape of the nose... if it ain't a dolphin or small whale similar in appearence to a dolphin it is remarkably similar, or just a type I don't recognize... not remotely sea-monster-like. Sheesh, I am stunned.

EDIT - I just showed it to my dad and the first thing he said was "Isn't that a dolphin or something?". I told him it was supposed to be a sea monster and he just laughed and said "not a chance". He's no expert but he has a yacht and boats a hell of a lot out at sea and has seen lots of whales and dolphins which swim by his boat...

There is no way that is a dolphin or whale for that matter, it has a big head, a curve to the neck and a long slender neck and possibly that big mass at the end is the body. You all should have taken a closer look at it because b&w is a little harder to make out right away, and it is way longer than a dolphin, its either an elaborate hoax or its the real thing.

I mean the head when I said the dolphin/whale theory. The rest of it is likely a fix-up. Or maybe they took the pics at an angle that made the head look a lot bigger than it really was?


btw Canadian Rottweiler have you got the original link to the pics please mate? I'd like to see the originals of that first pic (the 4 combined in one).

The head does resemble a dolphin,but what about the long snakelike body?

Btw,i'll get the link

The forehead is like that of a dolphin.The eyes are different,and the elongated snout is different.And as walken said,the decomposition is correct,and in the places that would decompose first.The long body is the mystery...

Good find Canadian, is there anyway of getting a clearer/ larger shot of the body?

looks like a rock to me...

Links to the original website and pics...?

original pics,look in "curious carcasses"...
American monsters.com
and all the info,look at "santa cruz sea monster"...Creature info

And another pic of the body...

If that was to be a real animal and the body behind the head is all supposed to be its neck, it looks as if the neck would be too thin for that big head. That would be a very big head for a long necked animal like a plesiosaur!



This sounds like a good explanation.

The link CR gave says that its either an extremely rare type of beaked whale (Berardius bairdi) or a Plesiosaur that had been preserved in glacial ice that had melted.

Heres a convincing (solid and unbiased) study (not just opinion) that explains how it is a whale.
http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/moore.htm

I'm soorry but that just doesn't look like any kind of living animal to me.

Iether way not a pliesiosaur or anything odd

*Cheers*

I've seen that picture before. It was in a book I checked out from the library once, titled: "Mysteries of the Unexplained". The book is dated 1982, according to the author at that time they had no reasonable explanation for what the "sea creature" was.

This book also contains a photo of the "Mysterious Man of Wyoming", also known as "The Pedro Mountain Mummy", a 14 inch mummy discovered in the Pedro Mountains near Casper, Wyoming in 1932. Some experts believe this to be a full grown man--perhaps a pygmy, elf, or something to that end; others believe it was a child who suffered from anencephaly, a congenital abnormality (in which the inflicted is missing all or a good portion of their brain) that would explain it's adult-like proportioning.

At the bottom of the page, there is a thumbnail that you can enlarge of "Pedro".

BTW--According to at least two independent sources (American Museum of Natural History via the Dept. of Anthropology at Harvard, and the University of Wyoming), it is authentic; not a fraud of any sorts. The only question is: what is it?

Most professonal opinion was that it was a rare beaked whale called Berardius bairdi. The conclusion given by Trueauthority.com is a bit mistaken n propablly garnerde through the internet like I did but I did learnt that the skull of the Moore’s Beach creature is kept under lock and key in the California Academy’s Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco, also dead bodies of Berardius bairdi has occasionally been washed up. I would think that the blowhole wasn't mentioned because he was using accounts from "bystanders".

This is one of the more convincing pictures I've ever seen. It certainly doesn't look much like a dolphin to me, but even if it did, who's to say that's not what a sea serpent's head would look like? We've never seen one, they could look like anything. I'm not naive enough to say it's real, it's more likely a fake than real in my opinion, but it is one of the few pics I've seen where I'd say it might be the real thing.

The fact that it looks like a dolphin in facial features does not account for its huge snake like body.

Found some additional information. Beached Beaked Whale Apparently it seems the coast of California is home to Berardius bairdi as there was another beaching july 2003. The article will showcase the recent stranding and the stranding on Monterey beach in 1925. The article also mentions the sientists were cleaning the skull of the recent stranded whale to add to their collection.

Btw the skull of the previous stranding is now on display. With so much direct evidence that this is a baird beaked whale I just don't see how so many ppl in this thread insist this is a legitimate cryptid.

Uh, not thats not a snake like body. If you read any of the sources provided it explains that the body was separated from the head, and all that was left was the skin, and some muscle/fat, which I guess looks like a snake body.

Remember the old saying. The most simple explanation(whale) is usually the right one.

It could be a beaked whale,but as whisper said,'who's to say what a sea serpent's head should look like'.It is exactly that,nobody knows,that's why it is such a mystery.Also because this creature is not all decomposed,it is still in it's near-full form.I think the idea that it melted from ice is a good theory.Because of global warming,the ice melted,and this creature floated to shore,which would explain why it is still in near-perfect form.Or another idea,maybe the creature died from starvation,that would explain why it's head seems so much bigger than the rest of the body.And it can't be a dolphin,because there is too many differences in the head,and even the best experts today still leave open the possibility that it is a plesiosaur.It's not like plesiosaurs are made up.They did exist,so who's to say that they still don't?Coelacanth is a good example,and so is the Goblin shark.They were thought to be extinct,but they're not,and there is plesiosaurs known to exist more recently than the coelacanth fossils.The body,the head,the skin,it's all too natural to be fake.I don't see any possibility that it is a model,it is just too natural looking.

Comparison of this creature to a dolphin...

The biggest difference is the eyes.The creature's eyes are near the back of it's head,and appear to be somewhat hidden,and small.With the dolphin,the eyes are in the middle of the head,right near the mouth,and are big,and stick out.Another,look at the mouth,the mouth of the creature is much different from the dolphin's.The creature's bottom jaw is MUCH longer than the top.With the dolphin,it is much more equal to the top.And that snakelike body is obviously not from a dolphin,so there is many differences from this mysterious creature,compared to known creatures.

Got to agree with Canadian Rottweiler on this one...

Thanx Anyone else wanna agree with my research?

Your logic astounds me! Since by that statement I can claim that a sea serpent looks like Elvis and sings like one too! cmon! You sir are studying to be a marine biologist show abit of objective thinking! By my thinking if it looks like a beaked whale then it most certainly is a beaked whale and they have the skulls to back it.

Uhh what?Anyway,yeah,i am studying marine biology,but i am specializing in studying sharks(fish),not mammals.The skull maybe,but what about the rest!?!

Don't you think it highly unlikely that a sea serpent will have the same skull structure as the beaked whale? Is there any 2 different species in this world that share the same skull structure?

again i would like to point out you are in high school, so therefore the only "studying to be a marine biologist" is from reading stuff online and books, which is a far cry from actually going to collage and taking courses, the closest thing you have is highschool biology.
you seem to think that answer is a "win all" for an arguement, and it would be pretty good, but you havent even graduated from highschool. you can use the " im studying to be a marine biologist" thing when you actually are.

and for somone "specializing" in sharks, you dont seem to know much, seeing as how you didnt even know how their electrosensory system works.

That definitely is a beaked whale carcass. It has been put in to topics so many times, im getting tired of it...

Hmm this reminds me, i'll drag out my book tonight and post a picture of a corpse, brought from the sea by a japanese fishing boat. Looks like a huge reptile.

No need...we've debunked that one already... just last week I think. It's a basking shark.

And guys, as has been stated: It does not have a long, snake-like body. It's in such a state of decomposition that it's head is no longer attached. What you are seeing behind it is only part of the body.

It is like talking a kid out of his candy. Impossible.

Yes, that true, who's to say what a sea serpents head looks like, but we do know what a beaked whales head looks like, so theres no need for imagination.



"The creature of Moore's beach had undeniably undergone a serious amount of decay, as pictures #2 and #3 clearly reveal. This statement, however, must immediately be met with a contradiction. The head of the animal, at the time these photographs were taken, appears to be in excellent condition. This is without surprise, as typical decay of an animal will not effect the skull and head as severely and quickly as other softer and less protected (and supported) body parts. Therefore, to identify the creature of Moore's Beach with the greatest accuracy, it is necessary and seemingly mandatory to examine the head."

Just read the link!

http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/moore.htm

READ IT!

Canada is a lot different from Hawaii.Here,we can study marine biology in high school,and yes i am doing that.Btw,college doesn't teach biology,university does.I have gotten many shark things like 13 shark jaws of different species,and 1200 different teeth including the rare goblin shark,and the carchadon megalodon.Also,a real shark preserved in a case,and yes,i have studied these parts.I am specializing in studying sharks,and no,there is no argument there.And wtf do you mean by saying that i don't understand electrosensory system? You can assume what you want,it doesn't matter.So please stop the arguing.

And here is my proof of all the shark stuff i have...

And more..

And some more of what i study...

ooooooh shark teeth, nice photos CR....

Goblin shark eh, never heard of it, interesting how i learn new things every day here, btw quite an impressive collection you have there, did you say you had a model shark?

goblin shark....

interesting shark never seen one like that before

looks like a really ugly dolphin

Not a model,a real shark...

btw,thanx for the compliment halo