You know, in all my travels I have never come accross any psionics, telekinetics, or people capable or making psiballs with the proficiency that the kids on this site seem to be able to. Infact, I have never come accross any self proclaimed psionic who can preform any acts of telekinesis, outside of those on the internet. I have been to cities all over the world, and lived in more than a few places, yet, I have never seen any real world abilities.

Why?

They do not wish to be exposed for the enjoyment of others.

Because these people are such scientific anomalies and utterly unique in every way, they must shy away from society, forever remaining the outcasts.

At least...thats what they like to tell themselves.

PS. I've done alot of travels myself, from the streets of Rome, to Singapore to London and Paris. And I haven't met a psionic so far...just tarot readers and dirty little gypsies.

They do not wish to be exposed for the enjoyment of others.

That makes no sense, because they are "exposing" themselves to all kinds of people all over the internet.

Because these people are such scientific anomalies and utterly unique in every way, they must shy away from society, forever remaining the outcasts.

Yet they haven't whatsoever. they have congregated every where they possibly can, and will talk about their abilities to whomever will listen!

At least...thats what they like to tell themselves.

PS. I've done alot of travels myself, from the streets of Rome, to Singapore to London and Paris. And I haven't met a psionic so far...just tarot readers and dirty little gypsies.



It's absolutely true!

It leads me to believe that every single internet "psionic" is a complete fraud, whether they know it or not!

Well, there are over six million people in the world, and suppose there are genuine psions here. Think of the percentage. What would the likelyhood be that you would meet one?

The internet is a different story, because they can find a forum like this by typing a couple words and clicking.

Thats my two cents, anyway.

You'd think that looking through any phone book for a psychic or gypsy or whatever, that at least a single one of them would be able to preform an act of telekinesis.


Yes, the internet IS a different story, because you can "find" people who claim these abilities. yet not a one of those people claim to be able to preform a telekinetic act in from of another person, other than those over the internet.

What the internet also allows is for people to pretend they are something they are not, and get away with it so fully as to build up a "credible" reputation.

Real life doesn't offer such a luxury. Thus, such claims cannot exist in the real world.

Am I wrong?

Hardly. The vast majority of them and con artists. Besides, they don't advertise telekinesis, they advertise their fortune telling skills.


The internet can be used to say things you wouldn't dare say in person. I've had some creepy experiences where I could tell what objects my friends were thinking of. (we were playing twenty questions ) Have I tried that ever again in public? No. I want to be seen for who I am, not what I can do.


I completely agree with you there.


True.


If you mean false claims, true. If you mean true claims, I think only the bravest people will talk about them in public.

Hardly. The vast majority of them and con artists.

Do you believe the vast majority of the internet folk are not conartists?


Besides, they don't advertise telekinesis, they advertise their fortune telling skills.

Don't you think out of every single person in the world, there would be at least ONE person who would go public with telekinatic abilities?

Do you know of such a person?


The internet can be used to say things you wouldn't dare say in person.

Exactly. Someone can tell a lie so blatent, or make a claim so outrageous, that it could never be told inm a real setting. And that's what makes it so dangerous.

I've had some creepy experiences where I could tell what objects my friends were thinking of.

Yeah, so have I. Infact, I don't think I have ever met a person who hasn't had at least one such experience. I'm talking about telekinetics here mostly.

Have I tried that ever again in public? No.

And it's because you can't! I offered a monetary sum to whomever could provide me with their "proof", and you were nowhere to be found. You could have used the money to buy a homelss person a bunch of meals, or given it to a charity. You had absolutely no excuse not to at least try. And if you do have these abilities, and you held back, then you are a selfish person, not wanting to give the money to the lessfortunate, not practicing your ability for the good of others, and not even wanting to make an attempt to get the money. I agreed to keep the identity completely safe of who ever provided me with the proof. Yet you, and others like you, scattered.

Why?



I want to be seen for who I am, not what I can do.

Who you are is defined by what you do! Don't you understand that concept?


Infact, when it comes down to it, I am beginning to wonder if my own previous experiences with the realm of psionics was all in MY head!

Yes, I do. I'm sure that it's no surprise to you that I've never won any sort of formal debate. What makes it harder is that I'm trying to at 2 in the morning. I don't see how you do it, Insight!

Well, since I obviously can't think straight, I'm going to bed. G'night.

Because they can't prove it, it is just that simple.

There are dozens of threads just like this on this forum, and they all go the same way. Thousands of excuses piled on top of thousands of excuses why they can't prove their skills...

It never ends...

When you pass someone up, do you ask them about it? Do you expect people to know who you are nd what you wanna know and jump out of a dark ally to come show you theirr awesome psiball action? COme on, this is the internet, I only know about you, who you are, through your posts, avatar, and name, If I passed you on the street I probably wouldn't give a second glance, probably think you as a raving lunatic (just jokin about the lunatic part)

Hello Insight, altough your question is valid. To my point of view it does not undermine the possibility of its existance. These kind of abilities are first rare and probably shunned as sorcery in many places. If ever some people do pratice any pshycic abilities, they more often than not remain to themself, learning to breach what is knowed to be normal.

Some go in group, I do not know about telekinesis and such but there are many groups formed for many psychic abilities. One that comes in my mind is remote viewing, energetic healing, shamanic practice...etc.. Look around and go see for yourself. I think you will agree with me that you will learn mroe first hand than on the internet





I agree with Mad Manfred, they do not wish to be exposed to the enjoyment of other. Those that are genuine could be afraid of some people reaction (negative). If it is innate abilities, they may be themselves afraid of its implication and do not wish to be poked and probed. And other are only in their way trying to understand more about themselves and see if there can in any way breach human potential. It is a learning process...any side we can find reason as to why they do not wish to be exposed, I only said but a few

now as to why they go on the internet. From what I have seen (except on this forum) people who do practice or that psychic ailities where innate go on the internet to exchange there experience and be helped or help others in similar situation.

Also it is easier to expose yourself on the internet. One click and any person who is agressive is gone. Now I am aware that leaves the door open to many con artist or attention seekers.



Yes and no. They will shy away from society and will try to find like mind to share their experiences. Now those that talked to whomever will listen is either an attention seeker or someone that is confident enough in is abilities and wish to spread the word about its validity. For the second one, I have yet to see any here but have seen some but rare on other forums.





the question was not for me...but I will answer it anyways.

NO...it is extremly easy to lie on the internet. and many conartist or attention seeker lurks in it.

you almost trick me with your ''are not conartist'' I saw the not later....




some did and there was scientific experiment on it. Look it up.




Indeed. It is always difficult to see what can be real or not. But since its there, might as well make it fun to find wich one is genuine.



have you ever heard of Social Falicitation in pshychology. If you are in a group or with another person are level of arousal increases. If we need to do an easy task or something we are very good, we tend to perform better. However, when doing a difficult task we tend to do more poorly.

I am sure that if someone feel pressured, it probably does not help at all and will do even more poorly.

Now I know this may sound as an excuse. Actually it is. For someone who is new to practicing is psychic abilities, this is very likely to happen if they ever wish to prove to others. ex: you drive a car. You have just learned how to drive manual and now you are on a Race car track...and you have to race in that sophisticated manual Race car.....people are all looking at you and all think you wil win.....do you think you will do any good?

Yes it there are a lot of conartist, but because someone cannot proove it, does not mean they are faking it. If however someone brags that he is very good and very talented and cannot show you anything...then it speaks for itself right?




my thank you...you have solved the mystery of ''Self''

seriously...yes it helps define, but it is only a cover in my opinion and do not define at all what a person is. And please dont start a debate on this, as I will not answer...I had enough debate on this with Buddhist

If you wish to debate this further....seek out Buddhist forum...you will have more than enough to chew on




funny way to say it but true



I understand how you feel Insight. As much as internet makes us discover many wonders, there is also the other side of the coin. there will always be attention seeker, always be conartist everywhere you look.

The latter does not help any paranormal phenomena but still in my eyes does not prove its inexsitance, just that people will forever be people.




could of been and then again perhaps not. You are the only one who can really know. I am pretty sure you of all others have all the tools to test its validity or not.
Do not let conartist and attention seekers undermine your experiences. Let your analytic mind and your common sense do that for you.

Thats cause those people are either attention seekers or have found too many difficulties of presenting proof.

Real psions probably don't want to show you because they are wise enough not to.

Hmm, there are about, what, 5 real psions on this site, which happens to be on the internet, which happens to be worldwide.

Do you really expect finding so few of people just because you have moved around? Thats like saying you've never seen someone with some rare disease so all the cases of those people must be fooling themselves or seeking attention.

Let the children have their fun...
Let the children believe in their psychic abilities...
Let the children believe in Santa Clause...
When is taking away happiness justified?

The true psychics are out there somewhere in remote villages being humble about their gift. Not on the internet and not charging money for their services.

That's exactly what I said, only in different words.

Insight, I think it comes down to that we have a bunch of young kids with vivid imaginations posting. They want to make themselves sound better.

I wrote something relivant to this in my blog today.



"Today i've noticed a few things about Unexplained Mysteries.
Well i didn't really notice today, but it's funny how many young members we have. Young as in under 13-14. Now why is it that this particular age group flocks to this particular site? I've also noticed they're the ones who are giving the most outrageous claims, because naturally 13 year olds know best.
What's that saying? 'I wish i was young again so i could know everything' or something like that. Of course the members with university degrees and careers in science and technology know NOTHING compared to these kids in grade 9 who have seen and done it all. Of course."



Kids just know everything, and can do anything. That's just the way they are.

Look, there are no repercussions to saying anything on a forum; no one here can hurt anyone else's social standing (except w/in the forum itself). We have people on here who claim to turn into wolves, levitate, talk to dead people and create hurricanes. The internet is still, in a sense, one giant role playing game. It's good way for folks to escape the real world, but I don't think it's anymore than that.

Is it not possible for people to not want to expose themselves? Speaking from personal experience, I told one person, someone I knew I could trust, but I would not tell anyone else. Why? Because in this day and age, you would probably be considered a 'freak of nature'. I don't particularly want to be shunned from society, would you?

Imagine this: you are a member of a couple of paranormal communities, and you see many people talking about telekinesis. One day you decide "Hey, why not try it for myself?" So you start to learn how to do it, how you can learn telekinesis. You start getting 'results', minor first, then major, and you tell everyone. Someone who you do not like gets the word, and starts insulting you. You were already an outcast, but this just eats away at you. Eventually, you give up, the abuse starts to effect you, and you give up.

That is what can happen to someone. Yes, I'll admit that this scenario is based around a student, between the ages of 14-19, but it can still effect you, no matter what age. Insight, think about what I have said, and come back to me.

makes me think of a saying

Old people believe everything
Middle age suspect everything
Yound people know everything





I agree...let them have their fun I guess.

I see to much people loosing their energy trying to disprove these kids or try to make them understand. If this is what you really wish to do then fine. I guess we all have our passtime.

But I am always wondering what is people motives for being here in this forum. Are you on a quest to debunk as ridiculus as psychic phenomenon....or a curious seeking of a truth.....want to exchange ideas, theories.....

If its to debunk...then these kids are your paradise. If not, then just ignore them and make more serious posting, and if these kids answer, just ignore their answer and look for the answers you seek.

I love the paranormal. Would love nothing more than to see hard proof of it in some form.Will that happen, I won't hold my breath , but I am hopeful. Meanwhile, it is fun to hound some of these goofballs about what they claim. No names.lol

Where exactly are you looking for these psionics when you travel? If you're expecting flashing neon signs saying: "Psycokinetic!" then you will continue to be disappointed.

There are, many individuals and small groups which experiment with this stuff all the time. They don't advertise, why should they? They're exploring these concepts for their own sense of discovery.

That being said, for every genuine person in any area of the internet, there are probably 50 fakes.