Does anyone think that aliens are time travelers?

It is possible that some are and if so they would'be very advanced.

Again? Why does everyone think that aliens in general are advanced?
Infact whats with this whole UFO deal? Why do people always think that
its aliens? I seriously doubt that aliens are visiting our planet.

UFOs on the other hand have the ability to controll time.

UFOs are most likely time travel machines in my opinion. If they can travel the speed of light, that is considered time travel.

Very likely. If thats true, the intelligence behind the UFO could
manipulate history.... Interesting. No? But who would posess such superiority?
Would aliens have that kind of power and authority to travel
time as they wish? Or is it some higher power?......

You guys know what I'm talking about.

*sigh* the same effect happens even at slower than light speeds. Just driving in a car produces the same effect.

in order to time travel while traveling at light speed would still take many years, also it is improbable anything can travel at light speed


in order to go faster you need more fuel, the more fuel mean more weight, more weight means more energy is needed to reach light speed, for more energy you need fuel ect ect

I've never heard this therory before. Could you please elaborate on how one could time travel in a car

As I understand it, the faster you are moving, the more time slows down for you. Thats the whole time travel deal. The faster you go, the more time slows down for you... except that when you're traveling in a car, you're not nearly fast enough for time to slow down by much.

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Has anyone ever considered how long an average ant [insect] would take to cross our continent? Likewise we also have humans crossing the same distance at a higher speed and at 37,000 feet. All things are relative!

Thus we still have people MEASURING distance over time and speed when the OUTER Reaches of space are NON-relative to a fixed reference point.

We have QUANTUM PARTICLES measured at speeds faster than light [measured by computer]. Does this mean that the speed of light has been surpassed? ARE WE so sure that the speed of light [186,000 Miles Per Second] IS the fastest speed we can measure??

Perhaps there is also a time coordinated quantum configuration of speed in relation to time itself. But we have to ask -- WHAT IS TIME?

Multidimensional mathematics stipulate that standard Physics would render anything beyond MEASURED velocity is impossible. THAT is why quantum physics came into view - with a defined and aggressive approach that makes the UNIFIED FIELD THEORY up for grabs in comprehension.

What we need to ask is: Can time be MANIPULATED? Can we warp space so tightly that it wraps itself upon another corner of space so that the distance between parsecs is shortened - even to the point of instantaneous? To induce this condition would require an electromagnetic field so powerful that it would warp space and all within to the confines of the time/space continuum. Anyone ever consider this a cause for disappearances in the so-called Bermuda Triangle? Where people seem to lose time - or GAIN time with their watches and clocks [in that zone] as compared to temporal reality. A strong electro-magnetic field would be subject.

When in this field -- ALL sense of our "normal" concept of time is displaced and the quantum 'strings' are altered to a parallel dimension -- easily considered a "jump" in time. But this is not time travel -- it is merely a jump into another parallel dimension. Time is ONLY measured with temporal mathematics - and our concept of time is strictly LINEAR. Quantum Physics stipulate that time is composed of multi-strings -- connected to the cause and effect of each and every movement we take, or each and every action -- with countless reactions ending in multi-dimensional probabilities. For example .. I may make a move -- and that reaction to this move is compounded in multi reactions -- each with its own parallel response and sequence. Some people even call this Karma!

OK ... If I cross a street and get hit by a car then my life [and all those associated with me] has changed. So I decide NOT to cross that street. The FUTURE (seemingly) is altered - and the parallel dimensions reflect that change -- meanwhile the alternative future still exists should I have crossed that street anyway.

Now -- let's say I go back into time and slay my Father BEFORE I was born. That would eliminate me going back in time to do this deed (or so it seems). Yet there exists a parallel sequence that reflects this - going back and doing this deed. There is NO ALTERATION of the future -- just a different path that is taken to an alternative reality that is respective.

Time travel? Science - at this very moment - is experimenting with the details. And this brings another matter up -- one I am VERY FAMILIAR WITH. Dr. Townsend Brown and Dr. Albert Einstein were moderators in an experiment that took place [twice] in 1943. This was called Project Rainbow [contemporary with Project Manhattan]. This was billed as the Philadelphia Experiment. This was what we would call warping time - or in detail the time/space continuum to move from one point of reference to another. The ONLY drawback was in the casualties of an unknowing crew. This was the USS Eldridge (DE173) - lately decommissioned from the Greek Navy - and held pennant number 54 of NATO ... the Ship was called by the Greeks -- Leon [Lion] - appropriately enough.

Before we consider the impossibilities of time travel [and IT IS POSSIBLE] -- it is NOT the expenses involved. For any strong electromagnetic field would suffice [including that type of field used to move immense blocks of stone to build objects like giant pyramids - applied electro-magnetic reasonance]. The problem is in the minds of the people who once again say "it is impossible" because science told me so!!

Perhaps I could pose a teaser! Does Gravity EXIST at the CENTER of the EARTH? If it does - do objects go up -- or do they go down? Or do they remain suspended after a specified number of occilations from both magnetic poles??

The STRONG electro-magnetic propulsion involved in UFO's [if you will] warps all time and the time space continuum all around. This would also explain those "missing time". The normal sequence of quantum progression is interrupted - or in some cases advanced beyond normal temporal sequence. The UNLUCKY people who get unwittingly trapped in this field remain "LOCKED" in a parallel dimension. To them there is their reality -- to us -- they vanished forever. But they exist in a thinly veiled membrane scant vibrations away. They either were "jumped over' normal temporal sequence - or sequestered into a parallel dimension with no ability to return.

No -- my friends ... time travel IS POSSIBLE. The mathematics are there. The ACTUAL experiments are being done in several labs paid for by John Q. Taxpayer and would be considered "Black Projects". Of course this would entail WEAPONS research and would not be availed for public discretion until the need for this being a weapons project has been superseded.

Let's NOT deny that some civilization whose NECESSITY is SURVIVAL can manipulate time to try to change their own course of progression to STOP the terrible destruction that encompassed their civilization and made them genetically sterile.

To some "in the know" the GREYS are US in the future -- where we have gone to destroy ourselves in our own lust for those things that caused our demise. Can we try to go back in time and make a better parallel future for our generations? When you can deal with the psychological aspects of this -- then you would understand that we are neophytes in a world that is still quite young and foolish!

While you are at it - you may want to read the following book -- BEFORE they take it off the stands!! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...638522?v=glance

Some sites of interest:

http://paranormal.about.com/od/timeanddimensiontravel/

Philadelphia Experiment
http://www.crystalinks.com/phila.html

The Forum that deals with this (and there are many!)
http://www.world-famous.com/MontaukStuff/M...Project-V2.html

And I could go on ... but enough said!!

Good Night from the Gryphon's Lair
[which will once again be down after tomorrow for reasons I cannot explain now]

What there is some sort of a light energy core that accelerates the
object? Light boosting an object has already been done.
Or what if the ufo weighs nothing. Then it would actually be possible
for it to travel at the speed of light because it would't become a black hole.

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Mass is irrevelant in deep space, Guy ... but any propulsion would have to be far beyond what we would consider the old combustion [explosion] drive. Like a Model "T" compared to the Concord SST. BOTH have combustion engines -- but we know the difference in speed and distance covered in comparison.

As I said above -- for an ant to cross this continent - the task would be impossible [considering its life span] - yet for us it takes mere hours in an aircraft.

What type of propulsion needed is electro-magnetic - or perhaps something of an element we do not have [or do we? Element 115]. Or even a plasma drive -- pulsation. Even then we are limited to the vast distance that must be covered REGARDLESS of the speed. Human duration in deep space environment.

Take a simple napkin -- laying flat on a table. To us to cross from one corner to the other is set at a fixed time duration under a defined speed. But lets take a "warp" and fold one corner (our destination) over our starting point. The corners TOUCH and we are NOT restricted to time. We arrive just as quickly as we left. This is warping space. We are gonna have to deal with a science that will strip away our limitations and deal with our being able to journey through "black holes" - or wormholes to get there faster [but we are not sure if safer!!].

Once again we are LIMITED to materialistic thinking ... and we can now approach a man in the early 1800's who said it was IMPOSSIBLE [scientifically] to travel beyond the speed of a galloping horse!! How well we know now!! Or do we??

That ant would say it is impossible for anyone or anything to travel faster than it could walk [in its own perspective]. Yet we are just as oblivious to that insect as it is to us. Maybe, just maybe there are "others" who are "out there" who can travel faster than the "ants" on this planet with such similar regard!

I apologize for this comparison -- but I think the point was made.

Perhaps I can make it simpler by asking anyone to tell me there is an END to the Universe. And to prove it! And IF there is an end .. what contains it?? And what contains that? See my drift?? Contemporary science and logic [albeit] DO NOT provide the answers to the impossibilities we seem to run into. People were burned at the stake for even thinking beyond "logic" -- why? Do we have this problem now?

It is time for a more realistic approach to what is ....... "OUT THERE"!!

NOT to cower under the umbrella of a faded science that changes with each new Hubble discovery, or each new Out of Place Artifacts discovered {OOPARTS} - and cannot rationalize upon its own contradictions or ..... self-denials.

I bid my farewell for the time being. I know not when I return - if I do. But I hope that my words spoiled none, offended none, and maybe helped a little. For those whose toes I may have stepped on .. mea culpa!! A fine bunch of people on this forum. There are many here who have the knowhow and words to back them up .. and there are many who CANNOT put into words those things that burn at their very souls. For them to know -- there are those of us who do care and perhaps do understand. My ONLY wish is for people to maintain an open mind, forage for their curiosities, burn the midnight oil in research -- and take the wind out of the sails of the egotisticals who may cling to a sectarian philosophy that is as old and musty as a haunted castle!!

Then -- I must state that there are those who cling [like wounded survivors after a sunken ship] to a stale and outdated philosophy that is more than 2,000 years old. Life now is not the same - and not ALL the answers can be maintained in the Bible. I have seen all too many people tormented to tears with guilt because their own thinking was "sinful" - albeit curious. And gave up on their own passions and curiosities because some people said they would "burn in Hell". We DO NOT need to descend into another Dark Age, though there are some who would prefer this than know the alternatives.

There ARE things I know .. and I would prefer to carry this to my grave than to spill this out to the public. I made a vow and KNOW that some of this would be harmful to those who are safely "saved" in the grace of their beliefs. I hold no malice or disrespect. I only know in THREE Near Death Experiences -- I have seen these very people [at their own deaths] waiting for something that will never arrive. There OWN personal Hells because they never knew the FULL FREEDOM that the soul has upon shedding its very physical skins. ONLY THEN will they know the deception that the church fathers put upon history. Only then -- and too late to see. They will meet the very people they condemned -- albeit in innocence; but ... with blind eyes, like blind sheep. Willing to follow anyone who says the "word" over a cliff and into their own demise.

I only say this: WE ARE NOT ALONE! And the sooner we accept this the more better we will be able to deal with further impossibilities that will arrive this next decade. There WILL be MASSIVE Earth Changes with Europe and the United States suffering the greatest damage (pole shift). Yes - Atlantis will have been found in the ATLANTIC at the Bimini site. US nuclear subs know the difference in sub-oceanic elevations which have changed within this decade.

There ARE asteroids heading our way - and we have NO POWER to stop them. Nor will we be warned. http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/

There ARE more than one or two E.T. civilizations interested in our planet. MOST of them are strictly adherent to the "NON-INTERVENTION" policy and do what they have to do and leave. Sometimes a wayward human wanders into their analysis and they have to do what they have to do!! Their measure of intelligence would consider ourselves as nothing more than unevolved primates. Scared at our own shadows.
Can we deny this?

At-any-rate -- I bid my farewell.

From the Gryphon's Lair

An uneducated pre-teen asked this in the et board not long ago! Search 'Aliens' and look for a post by someone with a long name beggening with greg to find out why this theory is thoughtless and irrational.

Yes, but even if there ships go at the same speed of light, using this method they could only travel to the future because as you approach the speed of light time slows down. If they surpass the speed of light they would only see the light reflected off the objects of the past, but could not interact.

Hello Believer003,

I remember reading a few books back in high school regarding the Aliens as time travelers hypothesis. Alot of UFOlogists had this idea that EBE's were infact humans, from the future, suffering from some genetic disease, or perhaps nuclear fallout. There reason for returning to the past was to correct whatever it was that altered the human race (genetically). FOr a time I thought it was plausible, but not anymore.
I don't beleive it anymore because if ET's were time travelers they would have altered ALOT of things in human history...more so then they are given credit to. For instance, if JFK was assassinated because he was going to tell the American people about the Alien presence, then why didn't they stop his assassination from happening? Or, why not go back in time and stop the roswell crash?
So, no...I don't believe they are time travelers. I do however believe they can traverse dimensions, but only because I have seen and heard things pertaining to that possibility. But, above all else, if they are so technologically advanced and do possess the technology for time travel, our goverment probably already has it's hands on the ways and the means. Remember the Philadelphia experiment?

WW

Yeah! That makes perfect sense! Rock on Norman!

Yes it is true that time travel is even done by moving in a car, or anything moving for that matter. If you weren't time traveling right now you would drop out of our time line and cease to exist for that matter. The speed of light, which is roughly 299,792,458 m/s, is the 0 point at which in relation to you everything else would be stopped in time. Thus moving faster than this would produce a negative motion on everything else. Forward time travel though, there's a different, much easier to do thing. If the faster something goes, the slower time goes; the slower something goes the faster time must go. Makes logical sense, right? Well if that's true, if you were to go to a point in space with no motion then drop your temperature to 0 degrees kelvin... that right there is the recipe for the fastest forward in time you can go.

One of my theories for ufo's is that they are not space ships or things from another planet. My theory is that they are time machines used by humans from the future. And maybe the so called aliens are genetically engineered humans sent back to investigate. They don't contact us so that they don't change history. Mercury might be with other alloy metals for the ship and maybe the genetically engeneered humans have some mercury in them an other things to help them survive the trip. Mercury because it can become any shape in liquid form. Mercury could also account for the grayish and metallic looking skin. Rosswell could be an accident they had. In order to communicate with the future they could make a sign on destination that was planned at a given time such as a crop circle, all the people from the future would have to do to make sure they arived would be check the records for crop circles at the pre-determined site during a particular date the travelers were sent to.

I don't know its just a thought.

What is time? have we got that idea right yet? will we ever understand that time bends and overlaps etc. I am sure someone has.

Do you really think that U.F.O's are time travelerz, i do because they probably us in the far future just coming to check on stuff they need to stop that affectz are future they probably came to correct there mistakes.

There are 2 things i would like 2 say

1. If time travel is possible but we aren't advanced enough to dicover the characteristics of time travel and we don't have the advanced brain power to create time travel.

2. Time travel is possible only if we bend time to our advantage.

time travel is not possible.

On what basis do you say that?

time travel is something dreamed up the same way people dream up notions of gods and superheroes, its pure fantasy. scientists growing up watching all this sci fi get hooked on it, and want it to be real so much they conjure up all these far fetched psychobbable analogies, like imagine time as a piece of string, trying to make out that time is a physical thing that can be manipulated. Time does not exist, it is only a perception. motion only changes your perceptions of how other things relate to you but as soon as you stop they go back to normal. If you move away from a clock at the speed of light it would apparently would seem to stand still so you think you are changing time, if you were to travel faster than the speed of light then you would no longer be able to see the clock as you would outrun the light coming towards you, that doesnt mean the clock has disappeared. The clock is still moving at the same speed, you personally are still moving at the same speed acording to your watch. If you watch a wheel spinning, it will at some point appear to go in the opposite direction, but it isnt it is only a perception.

What? So you are telling me you think it is?

Why do you assume they use fuel?

The only problem with this method is that the traveler has to remain stationary over the period of time they are traveling. The effects of external forces are harsh on a stationary object (especially when all external objects are moving relatively fast).

Certainly nobody here has a clue but do search the internet and find one of those many reports of people slipping through time. People have even reported slipping back a few minutes while on the highway in their cars. Weird stuff indeed but not much is said about these experiences.

And so why do those people have a clue but no one else does? Let the delusion continue.............

We are all thravelling through time right now. The faster you move and the closer you are to a gravitational field, the slower time goes by for you. For the sake of making things obvious, lets say we develop something that can go 99% C. Time would pass very slowely for the person riding in the ship, and after one second of his time, he drops out to 0% C. He would have aged 1 second but everything around him would have aged 100 years. You wouldnt consider this time travel?

Theres no known way to go back in time though...



That would be like daying depth doesnt exist.

Time does exist... the measurement and perception is human but even without humans, time would exist. There would be no movement without time.



In order for there to be motion, there must be time though.



Read what I said above.

typical delusional psychobabble. Time is not a thing, full stop, end of story.

Typical arrogent moron who has no idea what he's talking about.

I gave a reason, you did not. You cant accept the truth. anyone can call someone a moron if they dont like what they say, but generally they do so when they cant think of an intelligent argument. If you did have a valid and intelligent argument, thats what you would say, as that would be the logically most effective. All you have done is quoted some nonsensical half baked theories you read on some website somewhere, as if they are absolute fact because the letters phd were somewhere on the page. Therefore by calling me a moron you have admitted to me that you have no valid argumument, therefore I win.

You gave a reason and I did not? Did you miss my whole post above your one liner?



No... you cant accept what's been proven. It seems that the only "truth" you're willing to accept is the truth you make up.



You've pretty much proven the idea that when someone has nothing good to say, they end up creating one liners. I wrote a whole post explaining myself, and you couldnt argue what I said so you called me delusional. Troll.



No... You are the first one to use an insulting one liner following my argument. My one liner was in response to your initial one, hence I win.



Lmfao. This shows exactly how much you know about physics. Now that I know how much you know... I'm going to follow up on what my sig says.

time is a thing we made up, 2 seconds, 4 seconds, there can be inbetween seconds and everything. how do we know we are going backwords?

Imagine you are at the "beggining of time" but nothing exists apart from one particle. that is all that exists and nothing else. According to these theories of motion being able to alter time, if that particle travelled back in time it would meet itself and therefore there would now be two particles so how do you create something out of nothing by travelling fast? if you kept doing this, then eventually there would be so many particles that it would become solid because you would have infinity plus one, there could be no movement.
there cant be any "proof" to prove something that is impossible, what there is, is a lot of very bad science and poor one sided observations that want to believe in something, so much they delude themselves with comic book fantasies.

Thats the measurement of time. There was a point in which we didnt measure time. Do you mean to tell me no one aged at that point?



Umm... the faster you travel, the slower time goes by for you... it doesnt go by in reverse... If you want to argue over something like this, learn about it first at least.



Exactly. Thats why the proof proves its possible.

Show me a man who resorts to petty insults and I'll show you a man thats lost his arguement.



How do you know there was only one particle at the beggening of time? Besides, if time is not a thing, how can it begin?



siht ekil dnuos d'I neht esuaceB.

so much is cyclical in nature.

what if time either is cyclical, or at a minimum flows like a river where eventually all the water goes downstream but there can be pools and backflows?

Imagine, do you not understand the word imagine, are you unfamiliar with the concept of hypothetical? If I were to travel in time and get another you and bring it back to now, there would be two of you, that means the number of atoms that exist has now increased which is impossible.

That was not an insult but an observation.

If you were to go back in time and get another me I'd steal your space-craft and become a Time-Lord, flying to Scarro to fight Daleks. To hell with another me, I want to see the Emperor!

What if time is made out of marshmallows? more psychobabble, which means putting together words that have no physical capapbility to make the impossible become possible but just sound like they do trough wishfull thinking.

i am not wishing for anything.

why are you so detemined that things must be one set way?

Its called reality. If you want to live in a fantasy land then so be it, the tooth fairy is real but dont do so by ignoring reality and try to pass of fantasy as fact. the simple fact is that if time travel were possible you would be also need to be able to increase the number of atoms in existence which is impossible. You cant create matter simply by travelling fast, you cant create matter out of nothing, its that simple.

First of all, I wasnt even talking about going into the past.

Second of all, humour me... why is it impossible?

Werent you the one kicking and screaming because people thought that that light of yours could have possibly been something else?



Not at all. Like I pointed out in my post before I was cut off by a one liner, that is not the case.



No one is saying that you do create matter by travelling fast.

Yeah, I was saying time travel isn't possible in terms of us going back in time. (Which is commonly referred to when someone mentions times travel.)

i wasn't talking about time travel, per se. i was talking about the nature of time itself.

if time is defined only by the irreverability of events, then what we are of a part of is both to brief to see the macro cycles, and to complex in order to see the miro cycles.

"no one is saying you create matter by travelling fast"

of course they are not because they dont know what they are talking about to start with. The simple fact of the matter, is that there is a finite amount of energy in existence that has always been in existence, for time travel to be possible it requires that you increase the amount of energy in existence which is impossible. you exist in this universe and you travel back in time and get another you and bring it back, now you have increased the amount of matter that now is in existence which is impossible.

Umm... how does that make sense? First you're accusing us of not knowing what we're talking about (when it is evident its you who dont) because you think we're saying that something which you consider impossible (creating matter by travelling fast) is possible. Then you claim that we dont know what we're talking about because we're NOT saying you create matter by travelling faster?



Not at all. Travelling into the future does not require that.