So here's the Official Rock Music thread!!!!
The first topic of conversation: Good cover songs vs. Bad cover songs.
Discuss!
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I think there will be a lot more bad covers than good covers 
Some that I like:
"My my, hey hey" by Nirvana (Neil Young)
"The Man Who Sold the World" by Nirvana (David Bowie)
"Last Kiss" by Pearl Jam (not sure of the original artist's name).
Some terrible ones include Avril covering a Guns n' Roses song (Knockin' on Heaven's Door), and Will Shatner covering Pulp (Common People). *shudder*
Some that I like:
"My my, hey hey" by Nirvana (Neil Young)
"The Man Who Sold the World" by Nirvana (David Bowie)
"Last Kiss" by Pearl Jam (not sure of the original artist's name).
Some terrible ones include Avril covering a Guns n' Roses song (Knockin' on Heaven's Door), and Will Shatner covering Pulp (Common People). *shudder*
Band that does generally all-around good cover songs, Nirvana.
Girty mentioned one of the all-time worst cover songs: Madonna's horrific version of Don McLean's American Pie. I'm still cryingo n the inside.
Girty mentioned one of the all-time worst cover songs: Madonna's horrific version of Don McLean's American Pie. I'm still cryingo n the inside.
Yeah, Madonna's "American Pie" was really bad.
Do the original artists actually agree to these covers, or is it their record label?
Do the original artists actually agree to these covers, or is it their record label?
One of the BEST cover songs I've heard is Johnny Cash's version of the Beatles' song 'In my Life'. (ok, that may not be the title of the song...I need to look it up...but that's the refrain)
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One of the BEST cover songs I've heard is Johnny Cash's version of the Beatles' song 'In my Life'. (ok, that may not be the title of the song...I need to look it up...but that's the refrain)
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I haven't heard it. But I did hear Cash's version of "Hurt" by NIN.
Terrible.
Some I like:
Rodney Carrington's redition of"Gin 'n Juice" originally by Snoop Dogg
Dynamite Hack does "Boyz in the Hood" by NWA (I think)
Phish on barbershop songs, those are always good!
Some I don't:
Anything Uncle Kracker remakes
The "Imagine" remake, I am not sure who does it
Rodney Carrington's redition of"Gin 'n Juice" originally by Snoop Dogg
Dynamite Hack does "Boyz in the Hood" by NWA (I think)
Phish on barbershop songs, those are always good!
Some I don't:
Anything Uncle Kracker remakes
The "Imagine" remake, I am not sure who does it
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Do the original artists actually agree to these covers, or is it their record label?
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It depends on the song rights and who owns them. For example, Michael Jackson owns all of the Beatles songs, so he can sell them to whomever he likes. After a certain amount of time, the songs are given up to public domain, or remain the property of the artists estate.
One annoying side note: In their CD's credits, Limp Bizcuit misspelled Pete's Townshend's name regarding the Who's 'Behind Blue Eyes'. Ingrates.
QUOTE(girty1600 @ Jan 6 2005, 04:15 PM)
Some I like:
Rodney Carrington's redition of"Gin 'n Juice" originally by Snoop Dogg
Dynamite Hack does "Boyz in the Hood" by NWA (I think)
Phish on barbershop songs, those are always good!
Some I don't:
Anything Uncle Kracker remakes
The "Imagine" remake, I am not sure who does it
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Rodney Carrington's redition of"Gin 'n Juice" originally by Snoop Dogg
Dynamite Hack does "Boyz in the Hood" by NWA (I think)
Phish on barbershop songs, those are always good!
Some I don't:
Anything Uncle Kracker remakes
The "Imagine" remake, I am not sure who does it
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I haven't heard any of those, except for Lennon's "Imagine", of course. I didn't even know someone did a cover of that song!
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It depends on the song rights and who owns them. For example, Michael Jackson owns all of the Beatles songs, so he can sell them to whomever he likes.
That is insanely scary. I wouldn't trust Michael Jackson with my classic songs if I was them. Why doesn't someone like McCartney have the right to them?
QUOTE(Disinterested @ Jan 6 2005, 12:18 PM)
That is insanely scary. I wouldn't trust Michael Jackson with my classic songs if I was them. Why doesn't someone like McCartney have the right to them?
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Ha ha...he tried! Michael and Paul were in a bidding war, but Jackson could put up more money and won. They had been friends previously, but haven't since.
Most depressing remake: Rod Stewart's version of Jimi Hendrix's 'Angel'. Why, God, why??!!
Yeah, I think after 50 years the rights go public, I am not sure though.
While we are talking about music rights, I'll go off on a little tangent.
The Simpson's creator, Matt Groening attemted to use the song "Edmund Fitzgerald" by Gordon Light foot for one of the episodes. The problem lied with the fact that ol' Gordie left the rights to the song to all the surviving family members of those that perished on the Edmund Fitzgerald. So Matt needed the permission from 134 people to use the song!
While we are talking about music rights, I'll go off on a little tangent.
The Simpson's creator, Matt Groening attemted to use the song "Edmund Fitzgerald" by Gordon Light foot for one of the episodes. The problem lied with the fact that ol' Gordie left the rights to the song to all the surviving family members of those that perished on the Edmund Fitzgerald. So Matt needed the permission from 134 people to use the song!
What is it with these artists? What makes them think it's acceptable to remake classic songs and then butcher them?
There's actually one bad that does nothing but covers. They're called Me First and the Gimme Gimmes, and every song they cover is done so that it's pop punk-y. But it's actually done surprisingly well. They've done "Mandy", "Over the Rainbow", and "Yesterday" just to name a couple. Oh, and "Uptown Girl", which I (personally) find their version better!
There's actually one bad that does nothing but covers. They're called Me First and the Gimme Gimmes, and every song they cover is done so that it's pop punk-y. But it's actually done surprisingly well. They've done "Mandy", "Over the Rainbow", and "Yesterday" just to name a couple. Oh, and "Uptown Girl", which I (personally) find their version better!
You know, i haven't heard any good remakes in a while. But one i have is a Nirvana remake.
"Heart Shaped Box"-Evanescence
Other then that, i can't say i've heard a good remake in a while.
"Heart Shaped Box"-Evanescence
Other then that, i can't say i've heard a good remake in a while.
Ugh, Evanescence covered Heart Shaped Box?
I was a lot happier not knowing that.
I was a lot happier not knowing that.
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Ugh, Evanescence covered Heart Shaped Box?
I was a lot happier not knowing that.
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I was a lot happier not knowing that.
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They did it surprisingly well, Dis.
QUOTE(Disinterested @ Jan 6 2005, 11:27 AM)
What is it with these artists? What makes them think it's acceptable to remake classic songs and then butcher them?
There's actually one bad that does nothing but covers. They're called Me First and the Gimme Gimmes, and every song they cover is done so that it's pop punk-y. But it's actually done surprisingly well. They've done "Mandy", "Over the Rainbow", and "Yesterday" just to name a couple. Oh, and "Uptown Girl", which I (personally) find their version better!
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There's actually one bad that does nothing but covers. They're called Me First and the Gimme Gimmes, and every song they cover is done so that it's pop punk-y. But it's actually done surprisingly well. They've done "Mandy", "Over the Rainbow", and "Yesterday" just to name a couple. Oh, and "Uptown Girl", which I (personally) find their version better!
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I think I have heard of that band. Did they remake "Sweet Caroline" by Neil Diamond and "10,000 miles" by the Thompson Twins? If it's the same group then I REALLY like them.......Good stuff, very fresh and fun.
This one is kind of silly, I guess:
You guys know the "Love Theme" from Top Gun, 'Take My Breath Away' (no clue on the original artist)? Our pal Jessica Simpson has re-made it. Dang it, that was the first sex scene I ever saw in a movie, how dare she tarnish my 9 year old memories??
You guys know the "Love Theme" from Top Gun, 'Take My Breath Away' (no clue on the original artist)? Our pal Jessica Simpson has re-made it. Dang it, that was the first sex scene I ever saw in a movie, how dare she tarnish my 9 year old memories??
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Ugh, Evanescence covered Heart Shaped Box?
I was a lot happier not knowing that.
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I was a lot happier not knowing that.
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They did it surprisingly well, Dis.
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I'll be the judge of that!
*Makes a note of downloading it later*
QUOTE(girty1600 @ Jan 6 2005, 04:33 PM)
I think I have heard of that band. Did they remake "Sweet Caroline" by Neil Diamond and "10,000 miles" by the Thompson Twins? If it's the same group then I REALLY like them.......Good stuff, very fresh and fun.
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Yup, that's them!
I really like them, mostly because it's not meant to be serious.
If you have MSN i could send it to you 
I do have MSN, but I'm not at home right now. I'll PM you my addy and you can add me now, I'll just accept you when I get there.
Another cover that a lot of people really like, (but I don't) is Marilyn Manson's version of "Sweet Dreams". I just thought that the song didn't really fit in such a dark gothic tone.
Another cover that a lot of people really like, (but I don't) is Marilyn Manson's version of "Sweet Dreams". I just thought that the song didn't really fit in such a dark gothic tone.
Oh! i heard that one, i kinda liked it...although i don't really like Manson all too much.
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Ugh, Evanescence covered Heart Shaped Box?
I was a lot happier not knowing that.
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I was a lot happier not knowing that.
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They did it surprisingly well, Dis.
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I'll be the judge of that!
*Makes a note of downloading it later*
QUOTE(girty1600 @ Jan 6 2005, 04:33 PM)
I think I have heard of that band. Did they remake "Sweet Caroline" by Neil Diamond and "10,000 miles" by the Thompson Twins? If it's the same group then I REALLY like them.......Good stuff, very fresh and fun.
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Yup, that's them!
I really like them, mostly because it's not meant to be serious.
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Oh yeah! They are awesome....ssssssssoooooooooo much fun to hear the old songs (some of them weren't that good in the first place) remade by a punk-like band.
"and if I haver/whatever that means/I'll be the one that's haverin' with you"
ha ha ha
haha yeah it's awesome!
Jenn, you should check them out if you haven't already.
Jenn, you should check them out if you haven't already.
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haha yeah it's awesome!
Jenn, you should check them out if you haven't already.
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Jenn, you should check them out if you haven't already.
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Yeah, I will. I've never heard of them, but you guys seem to have excellent taste.
I am downloading some of their stuff right now, I had kind of forgot about them until today.
I like the remake of "whiskey in the jar" and some other songs that Metallica did on Garage INC.
I like the remake of "whiskey in the jar" and some other songs that Metallica did on Garage INC.
QUOTE(twpdyp @ Jan 6 2005, 05:01 PM)
The last covers I enjoyed and thought were well done were Van Halen's, (Pretty Woman, Dancin' in the Streets, Ice Cream Man, ETC....) I do agree some songs should be left alone, example being as mentioned earlier John Lennon's "Imagine" or Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven"
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Sorry, took this quote from the other thread.
When you say Dancin' in the Street, do you mean Jagger and Bowie's song? I never knew it was covered!
The last covers I enjoyed and thought were well done were Van Halen's, (Pretty Woman, Dancin' in the Streets, Ice Cream Man, ETC....) I do agree some songs should be left alone, example being as mentioned earlier John Lennon's "Imagine" or Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven". As a side note I once heard Jimmy Buffet's "Margaritaville" on Muzak. For those of you who may not know Muzak is a easy listening elevator type music. That would make it in my opinion the worst cover I have ever heard.
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The last covers I enjoyed and thought were well done were Van Halen's, (Pretty Woman, Dancin' in the Streets, Ice Cream Man, ETC....) I do agree some songs should be left alone, example being as mentioned earlier John Lennon's "Imagine" or Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven"
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Sorry, took this quote from the other thread.
When you say Dancin' in the Street, do you mean Jagger and Bowie's song? I never knew it was covered!
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The Mamas and the Papas did that song in the sixties (Dancin' in the Street) but I think someone else did it before that though.
Holy crap, I had no idea!!!
You know a remake I honest to God though was fun? 'Lady Marmelie' by Pink, Christina et al... It was just fun to me. Can't remember who did it originally...came out in '78 th think...
I know... I'm ashamed.
I know... I'm ashamed.
"Dancin' in the Streets" by Martha and the Vandellas
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"Dancin' in the Streets" by Martha and the Vandellas
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That's the one, thanks!
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You know a remake I honest to God though was fun? 'Lady Marmelie' by Pink, Christina et al... It was just fun to me. Can't remember who did it originally...came out in '78 th think...
I know... I'm ashamed.
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hahaha.... you know, it really wasn't that bad! Honestly I really enjoy Aguilera's voice enough to not disregard the song completely at first. All 4 girls sounded excellent.
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'Lady Marmelie'
Was originally done by Patti LaBelle
Thanks twpdyp! I should have know...
Ok, some more good one's:
16 Horsepower covering CCR’s “Bad Moon Rising”. Very Creepy
Giant Sand does an awesome medley of Marty Robbins’ “El Paso” and Neil Young’s “Out on the Weekend”
Friends of Dean Martinez do a fierce instrumental version of “Summertime (and the Living is Easy)”
Jay Farrar (Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt) and Kelly Willis do a really lovely duet of Townes Van Zandt’s “Rex’s Blues”
Blue Mountain do a smoking version of Robert Johnson’s “If I Had Possession Over Judgment Day”
And I’ve heard plenty of great covers performed live but never recorded officially: Grant Lee Buffalo doing Neil Young’s “For the Turnstiles”, Tom Petty doing JJ Cale’s “13 Days”, and Califone did an entire live show of Rolling Stones covers, circa 68-74, and released it low-budget as “Knub U Knive”. Phenomenal.
I will be a this ALL day.
Ok, some more good one's:
16 Horsepower covering CCR’s “Bad Moon Rising”. Very Creepy
Giant Sand does an awesome medley of Marty Robbins’ “El Paso” and Neil Young’s “Out on the Weekend”
Friends of Dean Martinez do a fierce instrumental version of “Summertime (and the Living is Easy)”
Jay Farrar (Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt) and Kelly Willis do a really lovely duet of Townes Van Zandt’s “Rex’s Blues”
Blue Mountain do a smoking version of Robert Johnson’s “If I Had Possession Over Judgment Day”
And I’ve heard plenty of great covers performed live but never recorded officially: Grant Lee Buffalo doing Neil Young’s “For the Turnstiles”, Tom Petty doing JJ Cale’s “13 Days”, and Califone did an entire live show of Rolling Stones covers, circa 68-74, and released it low-budget as “Knub U Knive”. Phenomenal.
I will be a this ALL day.
There is one song that, more than any other song, should not ever be covered. Thank God it hasn't been attempted as of yet, that is Elvis Presley's "Trilogy" it is a medley of three songs. Dixie, Battle Hymn of the Republic, and Hallelujah. I can't even listen to it without getting misty eyed. I find it to be one of the most powerful songs I have ever listened to.
I really don't like that people are covering Nirvana now though. I don't think that it's old enough to be redone. And even if it was, it still shouldn't be done. 
Incubus did a cover of Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" which surprisingly, wasn't terrible. But still... doesn't beat the original!
Incubus did a cover of Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" which surprisingly, wasn't terrible. But still... doesn't beat the original!
I just watched Listed's Top 20 Collaborations, it was pretty good but I'd have to disagree with some of them. But they did have the most important ones... like Aerosmith and RUN DMC, David Bowie and Freddy Mercury.... it was really good. I'll try to find the list a bit later.
They even had the Lady Marmalade remake.
They even had the Lady Marmalade remake.
There's a Springsteen triubute album, to Nebraska, that is phenomenal. Artists like Rosie Thomas, Johnny Cash and Jay Farrar.
I LOVE Bruce Springsteen, so for me to be endorsing this CD is a big step.
I LOVE Bruce Springsteen, so for me to be endorsing this CD is a big step.
A tribute album? 
When was this released?
When was this released?
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A tribute album?
When was this released?
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When was this released?
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The name of it is Badlands and it came out in 2000. Here, I looked up a little mini-review on it:
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Badlands—A Tribute to Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska — Various Artists
* Sub Pop
Like Bob Dylan and The Band's Basement Tapes, Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska was never even intended to be an album.
The songs, recorded on a portable 4-track cassette deck in the bedroom of Springsteen's New Jersey home in 1981, were initially envisioned as nothing other than demos. But those demos were released in their raw form, and Nebraska—with its dark, harrowing tales of murderers, convicts, poverty and disillusionment—painted an American portrait that was as revelatory as it was cinematic. It became one of the most influential albums of Springsteen's career.
Badlands offers a song-by-song return to the desolate terrain of Nebraska as interpreted by a cross-section of contemporary players. And while the varied interpretations are enlightening, there is a definite inconsistency to the set.
The wondrous voice of The Pretenders' Chrissie Hynde, teamed with her band's guitarist Adam Seymour, gets the disc off to a strong start on the song “Nebraska.” But the momentum shifts abruptly with a truly awful, in fact repulsive rendition of Springsteen's masterful “Atlantic City,” as decimated by none other than Hank III, the grandson of Hank Williams. That's definitely the disc's low-light, but more intriguing offerings, like Los Lobos' baritone-sax driven rendition of “Johnny 99” and a keyboard-swirling spin through “Mansion on the Hill” by the obscure Crooked Fingers, are far more appealing. And one of the album's most captivating contributions comes from rising folk star Dar Williams, whose breathy, harmony-tinged re-working of “Highway Patrolman” brings life to this poignant saga about two brothers whose lives take dramatically different turns.
* Sub Pop
Like Bob Dylan and The Band's Basement Tapes, Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska was never even intended to be an album.
The songs, recorded on a portable 4-track cassette deck in the bedroom of Springsteen's New Jersey home in 1981, were initially envisioned as nothing other than demos. But those demos were released in their raw form, and Nebraska—with its dark, harrowing tales of murderers, convicts, poverty and disillusionment—painted an American portrait that was as revelatory as it was cinematic. It became one of the most influential albums of Springsteen's career.
Badlands offers a song-by-song return to the desolate terrain of Nebraska as interpreted by a cross-section of contemporary players. And while the varied interpretations are enlightening, there is a definite inconsistency to the set.
The wondrous voice of The Pretenders' Chrissie Hynde, teamed with her band's guitarist Adam Seymour, gets the disc off to a strong start on the song “Nebraska.” But the momentum shifts abruptly with a truly awful, in fact repulsive rendition of Springsteen's masterful “Atlantic City,” as decimated by none other than Hank III, the grandson of Hank Williams. That's definitely the disc's low-light, but more intriguing offerings, like Los Lobos' baritone-sax driven rendition of “Johnny 99” and a keyboard-swirling spin through “Mansion on the Hill” by the obscure Crooked Fingers, are far more appealing. And one of the album's most captivating contributions comes from rising folk star Dar Williams, whose breathy, harmony-tinged re-working of “Highway Patrolman” brings life to this poignant saga about two brothers whose lives take dramatically different turns.
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Disinterested Posted Jan 6 2005, 06:07 PM
I really don't like that people are covering Nirvana now though. I don't think that it's old enough to be redone. And even if it was, it still shouldn't be done.
I really don't like that people are covering Nirvana now though. I don't think that it's old enough to be redone. And even if it was, it still shouldn't be done.
I agree, but I love all of Nirvana's covers, especially "The Man Who Sold The World " and "Lake of Fire."
There are a lot of crappy covers and I really didn't like it when 311 covered The Cure's "Love Song." It sounded exactly the same and so why even bother doing it again! Korn's cover of "Word up" by i forgot who, is also crap.
Korn did a cover of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick In The Wall" and it wasn't good at all. I heard the song on the radio, but here's the live version:
http://www.korntv.com/video/Korn_AnotherBr...VidFull_ref.mov
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^ Yeah, we were discussing that in the Ashlee Simpson/Orange Bowl thread. I feel abou tPink Floyd the way others are talking about Nirvana...just leave well enough alone.
But, honestly, I didn't find Korn's version that bad, I just hate to think it will be remembered and Floyd's forgotten
I did HATE Limp Bizcuit's 'Behind Blue Eyes'.
But, honestly, I didn't find Korn's version that bad, I just hate to think it will be remembered and Floyd's forgotten
I did HATE Limp Bizcuit's 'Behind Blue Eyes'.
Theres loads of bad covers out there, but Im just going to focus on the ones I liked....
For me, I personally like the cover song where the cover song sounds nothing like the original... It shows that the band doesnt have to stick close to the original to make a cover song good. That is why, despite what a lot of people have said, A Perfect Circle's version of Imagine is actually enjoyable (to me). Many hardcore Lennon fans and even people who just like the original song may not agree at all
I also like Korn's version of Another Brick In The Wall... its original... and for those who think that the original will be forgotten, I dont think a band like Korn could EVER take the shine out of Pink Floyd's songs... they are classics and will be remembered for years to come
For me, I personally like the cover song where the cover song sounds nothing like the original... It shows that the band doesnt have to stick close to the original to make a cover song good. That is why, despite what a lot of people have said, A Perfect Circle's version of Imagine is actually enjoyable (to me). Many hardcore Lennon fans and even people who just like the original song may not agree at all
I also like Korn's version of Another Brick In The Wall... its original... and for those who think that the original will be forgotten, I dont think a band like Korn could EVER take the shine out of Pink Floyd's songs... they are classics and will be remembered for years to come
Pink Floyd is the #1 band that shouldn't be covered, in my opinion. There's something completely indescribable in their music, that can't be duplicated.
QUOTE(Disinterested @ Jan 11 2005, 12:54 PM)
Pink Floyd is the #1 band that shouldn't be covered, in my opinion. There's something completely indescribable in their music, that can't be duplicated.
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Dis is my hero.
I know this is a bit off of the topic but I heard perhaps the finest guitar player on a trip to my Mom & Dad's place in Florida this past summer. For those who may be fans of the guitar playing of Chet Atkins, Ricky Scaggs, Vince Gill or Jerry Reed, listen to a cut from a gentleman named Doyle Dykes. He is in my opinion the finest guitarist I have ever heard.
http://www.doyledykes.com/
http://www.doyledykes.com/
In my opinion one of the greatest Rock Albums to come out of the 80's was Guns -N-Roses "Appetite for Destruction". It's a classic.
The worst Rock band I ever saw in concert was...........Guns -N- Roses. Oh wait a minute, I take that back! I should say they were the worst Rock band I NEVER saw, cuz Axle wouldn't get his prima dona a** on stage and perform. Location: Birmingham Race Course, Trussville Alabama. Anyone else NOT see that concert?
The worst Rock band I ever saw in concert was...........Guns -N- Roses. Oh wait a minute, I take that back! I should say they were the worst Rock band I NEVER saw, cuz Axle wouldn't get his prima dona a** on stage and perform. Location: Birmingham Race Course, Trussville Alabama. Anyone else NOT see that concert?
The worst concert I ever saw was David Allen Coe, he was drunk and had to be helped on and off of the stage. It was terrible and a huge waste of money and time.
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