There are also religious people who's religion is a popular one, and those who's religion is less popular...
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I haven't seen too many people here at all who beleive in 'less popular' religions.

Free.

You will never have peace till  you take a stand, Atheist,? Agnostic?, Believer?

I did not see an answer to a question I asked you on this thread. Do you love God?
Can you walk away? Or does that love haunt you?

Your Grandmother loved God. Your Grandmother had no problem with where she would go after she died, It was YOU She worried about, Wasn't it?

Why not just go with God and forget the beliefs of He will protect you, etc, You know that is not true. Just Let God be God. Let Him do as He pleases, Take Home who He pleases, When He pleases.

Ask him to show Himself to you as He really is. and let it go at that. Come just as you are, He has broad shoulders, Get angry with Him. Tell Him you hold Him responsible. It is in your heart, It is not like He does not know it already, Just get it out.

God is love, and we try to always love God, We are selfish, we will never share our anger with Him. That we want to keep to ourselves. Call Him every name in the book if you want, But get that anger out. That is what is called Love, when the one you love can get rid of their anger at you.

He did not tell us to love those who curse us without knowing how to do it Himself.

And if you think God will hate you, Tell Him, Ken put you up to it. No problem.

Ken
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I have many many reasons not to believe in God. They are my personal experiences that lead me to believe that IF there was a God, why didn't he help me?

First thing, When I was born in 1980, My mom told my father that she was pregnate, he didn't want to have anything to do with us. My mom was 18. So I was raised without my father. During those years it was hard. Actually, Hard isn't even remotely close to what I had to endure during my childhood. My mom did as much as she could to provide for my brother and I. We were on welfare, jumped from house to house, we lived in a car for a week when I was 3. We survived, not on faith of God, but from friends and the goverment. Our meals consited of tv dinners, salsbury steak broiled in a bag, goverment cheese, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, Tang and powdered milk. Eventually, my mom went back to school to finish up and get a great career to care for her 2 children and not have to have the goverment help her raise us.

Second, My mom had boyfriends trying to find a suitable father figure for my brother and I, there were some bad seeds. And One Really bad seed, in which when I was 7 he raped me repeatedly and all I could do was pray to God to have him stop. He didn't hear my prayers cause the sexual abuse and the physical abuse didn't stop for months until he beat my mom horribly. He took her outside and bashed her head against the concrete. He didn't beat us nearly as bad, but seeing my mom getting hurt, hurt us as bad as the beatings. Needlesstosay, God didn't come to 'save us', my uncle did and had the s.o.b. put in jail. That was the night that I finally said something about the rapings. It is very hard for a 7 year old girl to come into a court room and see the man who ripped your already pathedic life apart, and get some justice. He was sententced to 15-40 years.

Third, I lived in fear for many years. When I was in 6th grade I tried numerous times to kill myself. I wanted out of this hell of a life. Why would a God put one family through so much pain and agony? Doesn't he have any compassion for a child? I drew a picture of me holding a gun to my head, tears streaming down my face, and I drew pictures of some of my classmates who were terribly mean to me telling me that I was worthless, ugly, and to pull the trigger. This picture put me into an institution for children with 'problems' for 2 weeks. I didn't find God in there, I found 'Life' and friends.

I felt as if the Good Book, missed alot of pages. There probably was a guy named Jesus. I feel if Christians are so 'for' God, why don't they smoke marijuana. If God created everything on this earth that is natural. I am sure he didn't put marijuana on this planet for us to look at. And for all those people to believe they saw a man walk across the water, MUST have been smoking something. Hmm.

I still can't believe in something that brings so much pain. I didn't eat the damn apple so why did I have to suffer?

He took my grandma away from us in a freek accident this year. 5 days before her FAVORITE holiday, Christmas. I am so mad at him if he exists. I didn't deserve to have a life like this. My grandma didn't deserve to die like that. SHe was only 72! I am a good person with a good heart, My grandma was a great person and a great heart! I did believe in this God when I was young, but he never helped me, I had to help myself with the help of my family. He torchured me, he brought hell into my life. No child derseves this abuse. I was an innocent child. All children are innocent and He hasn't helped any of us.

I do believe in somethings though, Myself and the Power of Family and Friends.
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Out of curiosity (feeling), what is the 'product'? and what exactly do you believe (or know, in that case?). When you die, thats all? . point blank 
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Check out this lol.  its on Atheism

Atheism
Dr. J. chats with Reggie Finley about the arguments for atheism. Finley produces the "Infidel Guy" radio show,  part of the Atheist Radio network.

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php?op=prog...rogram_id=10438

Hes got some good views on how christianity works and the fundimentalism of religion etc...  Basicly underlining how weird and crazy believing in god and religion beliefs are.

its a mp3.  16mb
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he even goes saying that science says we evolved from a rock lol

I agree. I think that is one of my main thoughts on why there isn't a God. I would like to think that the real God would have more compassion for his creations. If you want to say He does, reread my story again. I didn't feel any compassion from a higher source. Only my few friends that I had, my family and my teachers. That was it.
And if God is holyer that thou, and can create an earth in 7 days, then why wouldn't he help me, or anyone who has had pain, cancer, aids, the hurt, and the agony. So some want to say that He made Me stronger. I beg to differ. I had to do what I had to do to get by. I didn't have him coming to help. He didn't help anything. So regardless to what all the believers say, you will never know what it is like to be me and to have my thoughts and doubts. I highly doubt that someone so Great, would let His creations suffer. And to that retrospect, do you think that Adam and eve were Monkeys originally? Cause we can prove that we were once monkey that evolved into what we are now. No longer single celled organisms. The bible doesn't reflect on what we know now. Doesn't say anything about the actual biology of our selves. The book never talks about the history before the bible was made, never once does he talk about plasma, cells, or anything along those lines. Wanna know what I think, I think that someone else wrote that book. An author way back when, not God. Not Gods words. And the reason the bible doesn't say anything about that stuff, is becaseu they didn't know that it existed. The author wanted to give his people hope and somehow the book got around. Mary wasn't a virgin, she was married to Joseph. And husbands have needs as much as a woman does.
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Do not blame God for humanity's mistakes and problems! It is humanity to blame for humanity's problems.

We have all recieved our warnings, instructions, guidelines, and prophecies thousands of years ago... It is all up to us now, and not God.

Who created humanity knowing full well how it would turn out, making us do certain things and think certain ways, according to religion?
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God, and it well instructed and gifted us on what to do, when to do it, and where to do it, in order for certain things to be achieved or occur.

Our entire history is one giant stage play, and God is our director/producer!
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And he also wrote the script which we're supposed to follow. In the script, we're supposed to do something. He makes us do it, and then he complaines that we did it.
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Can not God also run tests and experiments on us?

And we SHOULD Blame God. If what u say is right and he created us and he does exist, why would any creator have something that would make mistakes and problems.

No he can't. Because they are unfair and cruel. to see what a child would do after a horrible experience. Nice test. This isn't school, it is life. And we SHOULD Blame God. If what u say is right and he created us and he does exist, why would any creator have something that would make mistakes and problems. Cause it just reflexs back onto Him. Why would anyone want to admit to something that is screwed up?
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WHy must he? He already knows everything. Plus, god running tests and experiments on us would be him setting it up for a certain answer.

Your god must be cruel if he creates life just to destroy it.

If we sin, its because he made us to sin. Then he punishes us for sinning

But He gave his only son, (I thought we were all his sons and daughters) to die for our sins. Instead of coming his self. "just send the boy."

And isnt' that a load of crap. Why would someone give the ablitiy to do something and then punish for doing what we were able to do. Reminds me of a speedometer on a car. It like a big tease. 'you COULD go 160 mph but if you do your screwed.' God is like a car company. Teasing us. That isn't nice. I want a God that is nice, and compassionate to everyone, not just a select few.

So your God is now an 'It'?

Mindless robots? Sinning doesn't make us human, animals sin to. Like the 10 commandments thou shall not kill, well animals have to kill to survive. So technically that is a sin. (in that retrospect, so all of the soldiers that risk their lives to kill or be killed in a war are going straight to hell? then why would they do it?)  Animals also can have other sexual partners, so they are sinning on 'thou shall not comment adultery.' and oh what about, you can't have sex until your married. hmmm. We are reproducing organisms like most on this planet. I am pretty sure that lions don't go threw a ceremony threw god to have little baby cubs. I just find it more and more unrealistic of a God to exist. If he does, he will let me know, not you, not anyone else for that matter. I have been searching for the answer for years, he didn't come and talk to me. Nor did he even listen. So I guess, we can sin as much as we want and then you can just go to God and say, "God I sinned, I am sorry." and all is forgiven? yeah right.

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I don't think that God gave that to us. Are you gonna deny science and biology, things that are true and exist?

Technically, we are animals. Mammals to be exact. We have souls just like the other animals here on this earth, the only diffrence is that we evaloved much more than monkeys or anyother animal.

Ath: Now how would you know if the lion feels just a little bit for the gazelle it is about to make lunch? How do you know what goes on in the mind of an animal?

Now what about dolphins or whales, they communicate through sound. Just like ours, only ours makes sence to us and visa versa for the animal.

A mother animal loves her child as much as a human loves their own.

Did God come and say something to you about all that you think you know? Doubt it.

John 3:16 did you say? For he gave his only begotten son.
Look up Genesis 6:2 it talks about the sons of God.

Silver: many thanks to you. they are like sales men. I should have a sign that says. "I shoot every 3rd salesman, the second just left." LOL
But in other ways, I don't hate them. I don't hate anyone for their beliefs or for who they are. I just hate for what people do.
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Just because an animal can't give a hardy laugh like humans can, they can cry. Take my dog for instance, I know that she is happy or in her own way laughing. She wags her tails, pants and gets excited. When she is sad, I can tell. Her ears are down and tail down relaxed and she mopes around. So don't tell me animals can't feel the same emotions as humans jsut cause they express it diffrently. What about the people who cannot speak? What about a child who cannot talk yet? We see their emotions threw body language. Just because you can't hear them, doesn't mean that they don't contain emotion, happiness or sadness and everything in between.

What makes you think that animals are as ruthless as us?

Animals do have there own cliques just as humans. Ex. Lions pride, a school of fish etc.

But in nature, they have attacked on humans, ex. sharks in the sea. Just becasue they don't need ammunition, they still can attack. Attack=war.

And just becasue they can't make art or write poetry. (except for the potbellied pig I seen on petstar that did his own rendition of a picture) There are alot of humans out there that can't draw or write either. So what is your point on that?

What about when a dog smells a fire hydrant? We can't tell what they are 'reading' but they do.

And why do you deny that we are also animals. A mammal is an animal? are you denying yourself, Ath?

And there are some tribes out there in diffrent cultures that do renditions of animals.

And many cultures worship different animals, even all what Mother Nature has.