Mad or discourage at religion?

Mwhaha

My plans are all comming together...
Soon I will have everyone saying it... mwhaha

LBD

Say what?

LOL

I was joking...
But I am sure you knew that...

LBD

OOOOHH YEAH

Ok. I Had to add that last part to my post to ken because I am sick of him being so rude and so mean and so hardheaded to everyone here. He hates the athiests, the agnostics, the buddists and even some of the christians. He thinks that he is better than all of us, regardless of religion. and I don't think that is true.

Yes, LBD, my gloves are now off. I tried to be nice to him, but he doesn't want anyone to be nice to him from how he posts. I am sick of his tauntings and trying to push his beliefs on myself and others like me.

Yes, Zandore, I think we all need a lesson with the board rules. especially ken.

I think this applies to all of us on this forum. The Female of the species is the most dangerous. AttackYes, I have said somethings that I normally would not say.

As I have put in both posts, it's not a flame war and I must congratulate Freespyryt24 for not taking the bait. Ignore the ones that won't listen and carry one with the debate if they continue to annoy. Report them.

I lost respect when he started taking a shot at my name, normally I would'nt mind, but sheesh, he sure knows how to get folk hot under the collar...

and for your information, Ken, I was referring to a comic book *2000AD*. I guess you have never read it, hence the goofy retort...

I can't believe I share the same name as you!

Pah! I feel all Grumpy now, Zandore, cheer me up!

Oh Hoagy.

Don't let him get under your skin. (I should take my advice sometimes too!) Cheer up charlie!

Well thanks for the flower anyway.

happens to me all the time.... then i sit for a half an hour trying to think of what i could say to cover up the fact that i shouldn't have hit "reply"

Zandore.

I was responding to the KISS of which the last S stood for Stupid, I get a lot of insults, No problem. Sometimes the response has a bit of humor added. I have stated before, I do not write for babes in Christ. This is not Kindergarten Christianity.

We are talking about why people turn from God, Or have not enough within them to “KEEP THE FAITH.” What causes others to reject the Idea of God from the Start. Etc, Why some find God hard to believe in, Or hard to accept as a Person. Not human, But a Being.

Your DEPART at the end of your post, I was questioning what PART of DE.

Zandore, If I shook off the dust, I would not be able to reach for non-believers as Jesus asked. That was a Prophecy, What Jesus had to do the day of the cross when all prophecies were fulfilled. The Disciples were of the House of Israel. So They were the Dust of that House, that clung to His feet. Had to be shaken off.

As Far as IF I was a Christian I would follow the Bible, Remember the ones in Salem were following the Bible as they saw it:

(EXODUS 22:18) Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. (KJV)

Following the Bible is not taking each verse all alone and going by it, But taking the whole and seeing what God is saying. Rebellion is as the sin of Witchcraft, and God gave gifts to men, To the REBELLIOUS ALSO that He might dwell with them. This is Math, You need to add this together and see God gave us all grace.

So I will take it as trying to show a Witch she should be born again. So the witch is no longer living, But converted and sees God’s love for her.

Same as in the Quran where it says to slay an infidel. By CONVERSION not by physical killing.

(PROVERBS 28:28) When the wicked rise, men hide themselves: but
when they perish, the righteous increase. (KJV)

When they perish by being converted, they add to the righteous or they increase.

This verse also speaks of Conversion:

(PSALMS 7:9) Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins. (KJV)

It is the Wickedness that came to an end by not being wicked anymore.


Lightbeyondthedark.

Isn’t a bit hard to have a Holier then thou attitude, when Jesus rendered to man His righteousness? How much Holier can a person be then another? Jesus made us all equal in the Sight of God. But that is for all people, Even those you would think would never make it to heaven.

I see respect is more like buttering up another. Job’s three friends could easily be seen as RESPECTING God, But God was not impressed. God preferred Job’s testimony of what was real.

(JOB 42:7) And it was so, that after the Lord had spoken these
words unto Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is
kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not
spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath. (KJV)

If they are looking at me, they did not get the Message was from another.

Consider this: One speaks. One does not take it to heart. Another tells you that your Boss just called and wants you in His office right away. Most would respond, and go to the office for they believed the message was not from the one speaking, But from the Boss.

If you are watching the Message and not the Messenger, You can learn. Listen to the Message. God may send them by way of any person He wants. Like using Ignorant people.

(ACTS 4:13) Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. (KJV)

They were not looking at the Disciples as much as Who had been speaking to them.

We are messengers, God chooses who to send with the message, and God knows how each will present that message before He chose whom to send it by.

God chose a Woman as a Messenger. When Women did not seem like what God would use.

(JUDGES 4:9) And she said, I will surely go with thee:
notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine
honour; for the Lord shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.
And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh. (KJV)

Jesus sent Mary Magdalene to tell the Disciples He was risen, they did not believe her, Because they did not think God would use the messenger He chose to use.


Anson Kail.

Faith like a Mustard seed was the Faith the Disciples had at Midnight in the Garden of Gethsemane. Midnight is the start of the Second 6-hour period seen in Revelation. When the Second angel sounds:

(REVELATION 8:8) And the second angel sounded, and as it were a
great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the
third part of the sea became blood; (KJV)

Those who trust in the Lord seen as Mount Zion, that is Jesus, and the Sea is the Gathering together of the people as waters. Jesus is reaching for NON-Jews, Something the Disciples did not like. It is like them telling Jesus, You want them, Go get them. God’s word like as a fire, So the Mountain burning with fire is cast into the sea.

The day seen as 3 pictures in Revelation so a third is seen at a time.

Jesus did not see everything, God showed that in Isaiah:

(ISAIAH 42:19) Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my
messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and
blind as the Lord's servant? (KJV)
(ISAIAH 42:20) Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening
the ears, but he heareth not. (KJV)

God spoke of many prophecies for Jesus who fulfills the Prophecies the day of the cross. Part of those is in Job 33:26 where He renders unto man His righteousness.

So by grace are we saved, Through FAITH and that not of ourselves, Jesus gave us His. So God had Jesus take the Baptism of Repentance, not because Jesus needed it, But Jesus did it to prepare what we needed. So as Author of Our FAITH, God directed Jesus to build, and then to bestow that which was built upon us.

So all our righteousness is as filthy rags, because we all have His.

You are correct as far as love is unconditional, Which means that everyone on the planes and in the twin towers that died went to heaven where the Love of God greeted them unconditional. For we need to see love as unconditional for us, means unconditional for those called terrorists, etc, For those who hurt us, as well as our hurting others.

One of the greatest powers that exist is the power of heaven’s gate to work attitude adjustment:

(PSALMS 22:27) All the ends of the world shall remember and turn
unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship
before thee. (KJV)

Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess out of the love they have in their heart that Jesus Christ is Lord when they see what Jesus fulfilling God’s word really did. But this is ongoing as World without end means there will always be more being born. New souls to share the love of God with on earth.


Irish.

Jesus is our Passover lamb, Part of that meal was Bitter herbs. And the Herbs were for meat also. God said there would be nothing hidden that would not be reveled. But most do not want a lot of things revealed, But God does.

Many messengers were locked up, beaten, slain because the people did not what to hear what God was saying. Not what the messenger was saying, For it was not his message but God’s.

God uses that which is despised.. You want to tell them? For I will share what Jesus shows me, and those things the Disciples could not bear, are not any easier now.

(JOHN 16:12) I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot
bear them now. (KJV)


Anson Kail.

I think one of our greatest mountains is to “Love Thy Enemy” But remember, When we have, God sends one worst then the last one so we grow. And when you come to the Final Worst enemy. Remember three verses: Exodus 4:11, Isaiah 45:11 and Matthew 12:22. And love Him with all your heart.


Lightbeyondthedark.

Understanding? I got that one, You have to have the First picture or Wisdom which is seeing the day of the cross as a house built using the day as seven days, all the sevens in Revelation and the Creation story. Understanding comes next, seeing the day as 3 pictures need to double twice or establish God word. Then needing both Wisdom and understanding which together form Counsel, you go for Knowledge, Putting all the pieces in the right place.

(PROVERBS 9:1) Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her
seven pillars: (KJV)

(PROVERBS 24:3) Through wisdom is an house builded; and by
understanding it is established: (KJV)
(PROVERBS 24:4) And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with
all precious and pleasant riches. (KJV)

Listening Skills? God thought we could all use some. So LISTEN ATTENTIVELY as God inspired it to be written.

(JOB 37:2) Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound
that goeth out of his mouth. (KJV)

(ISAIAH 7:18) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord
shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers
of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria. (KJV)

HISS, Listen, HISS, Listen, HISS, Listen, HINT, HINT, HINT


Freespyryt.

Lies and crap? Did we not cover this already, All the Prophecies are LIES till fulfilled, They did not become Truth till the day of the cross when all was fulfilled, that is they Lying spirit God sent to have Jesus go up and die in battle or go to Golgotha to establish what God foretold.

(1KINGS 22:23) Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying
spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath
spoken evil concerning thee. (KJV)

Jesus is the Tree, we get to be the Dunghill. But that also was foretold by the curse for ending the Daily Sacrifice which Jesus did when He ended any further need for a sin offering at Calvary.

(EZRA 6:11) Also I have made a decree, that whosoever shall alter
this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set
up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill
for this. (KJV)

Jesus went to the House of Israel, But the Tree did not bear fruit, We get to be the Dunghill which helps the tree bear fruit as we share the Gospel to all the world.

(LUKE 13:8) And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this
year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: (KJV)
(LUKE 13:9) And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that
thou shalt cut it down. (KJV)

(1SAMUEL 2:8) He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth
up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to
make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth
are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them. (KJV)

God took Jesus physically from us. He lifted up the One who begged mankind to seek God with there whole heart. There are many ways to look at something, God shows things which one might see.

I recall it was “Keep it simple STUPID” K-I-S-S, So if you can be less then nice, Why find fault when I do the same? Or am I trying to show you something?

Have you ever seen me write that I am better then anyone here? I have shown you what adding the Cubit is. Does that offend you? Jesus said to do that first. If one does not know how, Should not someone tell them what it is so they have that knowledge. Would you find fault if I said to get Baptized?

(LUKE 12:25) And which of you with taking thought can add to his
stature one cubit? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:26) If ye then be not able to do that thing which is
least, why take ye thought for the rest? (KJV)

If you do not want to add the Cubit, As Jesus said “Why take ye thought for the rest?”

If not one Church or denomination on this earth tells you to add the Cubit which is Scriptural, Then do you find fault with one who shows you something that all have missed? And how would I see it if it had not been given to me? So who do you really need to complain to? The one who picked which messenger to send with message with?

(JOHN 3:27) John answered and said, A man can receive nothing,
except it be given him from heaven. (KJV)

Quite a few pages back someone whom I can not remember posted quite a reply which did not make any sense at all. I do not think anyone responded to it. So what is really the problem? If this is nonsense, why does it bother anyone. I have a lot of people who I think feels like they are better then me, So what? Isn’t that THEIR PROBLEM?

Sometimes people have to get mad before they blur out the real reasons they have. Like a couple arguing over every little thing, But will not touch on what is really bothering each other.

Is part of the reasons why some find it hard to believe in God that they see God playing favorite?
Judging what God gave them compared to what God gives others. Someone did mention walking a mile in their moccasins. God did give a warning in John:

(JOHN 21:18) Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young,
thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when
thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another
shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. (KJV)

Just how much thou WOULDEST NOT? Like Moses fleeing from the Rod made a Snake, then God said to take it by the Tail, You think Moses liked snakes or was scared to death of them?

God talked to Free at Lunch? I missed that one. I wonder who picked up the tab? All I can say, Is tell Him to go and dry Himself. God knows I do not believe in Him. I do not believe in my Mother, I KNOW then Both. Belief is what you think is true, I know God is real. No question about it. “Lord haste the day when thy faith shall be sight.”


Fuel to the fire, Jesus did make us Kings and Priests, We are all in the Body of Christ.

(ISAIAH 30:33) For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it
is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is
fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of
brimstone, doth kindle it. (KJV)

God does Kindle fire with His breath, Think this thread is God working?

(ISAIAH 9:5) For every battle of the warrior is with confused
noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning
and fuel of fire. (KJV)


Long Winded posts? Now where have I heard of a WIND?

(JOHN 3:8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the
sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it
goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (KJV)

Hoagy.

Never read that comic or heard about it, and all us males share the same name, God calls us “SON”


Ken

Yes, Ken. It is Keep It Simple Stupid. That is the way the saying goes. I could have been nice to change and said Sweetie for the last S. But in this case, it doesn't apply. You aren't sweet, or even kind for that matter. Not much of an insult to you was implied. People take things how they read them. Just my humble opinion. Everyone and anyone can be stupid at one time or another. I admit that I am stupid sometimes. Do I really care? No, if I don't know about a certain topic or thing, I am stupid on the topic. I ask questions (regardless if I like the answers or not) But if you get into topics of Dogs, I am not stupid. See what I mean? Anyways.... The main thing I was trying to say to you is, Keep your posts shorter and simple. You confuse many of us on here with your ramblings and scriptures. I am sure that within your posts there is a good point, but it is really hard to read every single little thing that you must post because there is soo much and some are very contradicting.



Many of times Ken. You seem to look down on us as if you are the almighty.
Cubit? I musta missed that one. Dang, I really should have paid attetention in Kindergarten Christianity. I know alot about the bible, religion. Enough to question it. Some members of my family are religious. (reason I don't say too much to them about my doubts are obvious.) Try telling my beloved grandmother that I don't believe in her Christ and her Father, I wouldn't even concider it.

Baptized? Is that gonna make me miraculously believe? I don't think it works that way.


He did of course. Had a few drinks too. Man, He is a lightweight when it comes to 4 long islands. lol. (sorry couldn't resist)
You don't believe in what you preach? You don't believe in your mother? Knowing and believing in something are 2 diffrent things yet they go hand in hand. You can Know yourself, but will profit more out of life if you Believe in yourself. But then again, Ken you just contradicted yourself again.

Ok. I stop now. I am probably rambling on.

Oh I know... But this is the attitude you show to everyone here... Except that fact or not...

You think you are telling me something I dont know?
It is not my place to say to anyone that they are going to hell... I am no judge... But the sacrifice of Jesus needs to be seen and accepted to be cleansed... We don't just have an automatic trip, a free one yes, but not an automatic...

Well I see it as being courteous... I show respect to everyone, I mean everyone... Its the right thing to do... Cause when you show someone respect they wont get the feeling that you think your above them... But since you don't value respect, or show respect, you think your better...

Nobody takes your message to heart... Because you show no understanding or respect...

How can anyone hear your message when they can't get past the fact that the messenger is someone they never want to be like?

Such as yourself?

Pray...
I will pray for you...

Me and most people here would question that...

Whats wrong with that?

You don't listen to anyone... Thats obvious to me, and probably to everyone else...

This is what I hear from you...
HISS HISS HISS HISS HISS HISS HISS HISS *spit* HISS

Ken you need to remember you are a man... Same as the rest of us...
Look in a mirror, that works good...

just my humble opinion...

LBD

I can think of several jokes but the MODS would come down on me hard.

Ken
I refuse to partake off your ill mannered ravings. You dishonor your fellow christians and drive the sceptical away from the truth.
With all your talk of bitter herbs and puking I certainly hope you are not sitting close to me on the Lords banquet day as you would certainly be the obnoxious dinner guest.
Until you remove yourself from your pedestal of ego I refuse to even read what you have to say and I would suggest that the others here do the same.
I will however pray that the Lord humbles you.
Irish

May be you did something bad in your previous life.

Amen Irish...

"remove yourself from your pedestal of ego "
I have been trying to tell him the exact same thing for some time now...

Its hard to ignore him, even though I would like to sometimes...
Its like trying to ignore a forest fire or something like that...

just my humble opinion...

LBD

I told ken to read a certain verse perhaps you should read it as well.
Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.(KJV)
My opinion of course

*cough*

Let me ask you ONE question Ken, and I want you to answer it honestly now dear man- Do you really truly love God?

And before you get carried away, I'm not talking about worship or idolising Him or abandonment, any mentalcase is cabable of those...I'm referring to REAL love. Do you know what it is?

It's simple really...No jealousy, no egotism, no worship. Just love.

Do you love God?

If so, I must say, I don't see it.

Freespyryt.

I do not remember ever hearing that saying before. So I assumed you made it up yourself.

I keep typing as the Spirit moves me. If something else comes up I think I ought to mention, I am not going to question why it came into mind, I accept God works through us. Usually it is triggered by something the others say.

Hoagy was triggered by his picture with the missing tooth. It needed a cap, so the Cradle cap came into mind. What else would be a Scab on the crown of the head? Seeing God converts us as children, and the Body of Christ is seen born the day of the cross. God went in detail. No Girdle. For the navel was just cut, so there is a rent. And baldness.

What looks like God cursing the daughters of Jerusalem is just a similitude for them born in the Body of Christ that day.

My posts contradict what is accepted as sound Christian Doctrine, and I have said that many times. And Paul also wrote in a way that confused many till you came to understand Paul better. Then what was said gets clearer.

I do not expect people to understand what I am saying at first. It takes many hours before the pieces fall into place. But other pieces have to be tossed away that is already accepted because of God sealing Daniel 9:24.

When a Jigsaw puzzle is first started, It is very hard to get anything in focus. So we grab the outside framework. We know that is the edge, so we just start matching colors. And little by little the puzzle comes together.

If people could take all they believe and toss it away, then look clear at what is being said, This might be easier. But God did not make it easy, He inspired over 1700 Chapters of Scripture, And how many verses? And now many verses speak of more then one concept?

The Puzzle is gigantic. Having pieces in that pile which do not belong there makes it very much harder.

Accepted pieces of Doctrine which has been around for 2,000 years will not go away quickly. But it will go away. Because they will not be seen as truth when searched in detail.

But in order to see anything, One of the options has to be the correct one. The Nation of Israel is looking for the Son of David, And Christianity can not really produce one that they are using. But David’s child born outside wedlock has not been looked at by most of them, Maybe a few of them, But not many.

I know that every branch that bears fruit is purged, So I try to get as much said as I can. Like speaking to a person about Christ, We might not get a second chance, we might never see that person again, So I try to make every contact count. Every opportunity taken, Every possible seed planted. Then if God moves me to another field, I have more seeds, For God gives the increase.

Baptized with water is not much, Just an outward showing, But being baptized with fire (God’s word like as a fire in Jeremiah 23:29) or immersing yourself in God’s word is very profitable.

There is no child who attended Church school, Vacation bible school. Etc that has not been told about Daniel in the Lion’s den. But why did they not tell those same children about all the Christians who got fed to those lions? Slight overlook?

Christianity as a whole preaches “God will protect you.” And “look at DANIEL”, So when a person is not protected, They feel rejected by God, Betrayed by those who told them God would protect them. And maybe there is not a God at all.

Honesty should be a part of Christianity. Tell the Whole story. Our Separation from God was ended due to the Sacrifice of Jesus taking our place. That can be shown. When God was speaking to Jeremiah, Some of the time Jeremiah was locked up in prison. Near death in a city that was surrounded for months. Food running out. Many of the rulers asking the King to kill Jeremiah because he was speaking against them.

God left Jeremiah there, He did not take Jeremiah out as He was done talking to him, In fact, He gave Jeremiah more words to anger those who wanted to kill him. So the Church tells of Peter set free in the Prison, Of Paul and Silas set free, But forget to mention Jeremiah as He was talking to God, and God left, and Jeremiah stayed. Jeremiah asked the king not to keep him in the prison.

And when God spoke to a very hungry Jeremiah, He did not bring a sandwich with Him. Sometimes the relationship God has with His children seems very strange. Very very Strange. The things He lets them go through. BUT, He is still our Father, and He knows a lot more then we do about what we are going through, and where we will be going, and what we will need when we get there. I think it is called TRUSTING Him.

I don’t believe I have a Mother, I know I do, I do not believe I have a God, I know I do.

Words which do not fit often will not type well. I do not type the “Good Thief” but the “One called the Good thief” as Jesus had all sin, Same as at Bethlehem, it is not the Birth, But the REBIRTH. So My believing in God is not truth, My knowing God is.

(PSALMS 50:23) Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that
ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God. (KJV)


Lightbeyondthedark.

What I accept is a lot of people see it that way. But? Should I concern myself how another sees me? To what point? And If I tried to make them see differently, Would they anyway?

There is a phrase I have heard “Unto thyself be true.” I know I do not feel better than anyone else. So if I try to prove I am not that way, Who really has the doubt? If I do not respect others, Seeing I know each person is created in the Image of God, and He takes that very personal, VERY VERY personal. Would I then not see them as precious also?

It might not be your place to tell anyone they are going to hell, But you have just listed requirements that you see as a MUST to avoid going to hell. You could have just as easily said “If you do not accept Jesus, and His sacrifice, You will be going to hell.” Is that not what you said, they HAVE to meet those requirements?

Many use nice wordings Like “God does not sent you to hell, You send yourself.” But God made man, God made hell, God made the rules. And God knows what is in man.

That is why Barabbas walked free. He did not accept Jesus as his substitute, He did not accept Jesus as Lord, Jesus just took His place. And He just took ours.

Acceptance is Salvation by works, what WE MUST DO to be saved, So we can BOAST. But there is no Boasting for all are saved by grace. And that salvation has nothing to do with us. It is a gift of God, and the Gifts and callings of God are WITHOUT REPENTANCE.

That is how YOU PERCEIVE respect. So others will not FEEL you are better? Almost sounds deceptive. BUT, Based on showing respect so others will not feel you are better. Seeing I do not think like that. I am not worried others will think I am better, seeing I do not think I am better, so why would I do something to make it appear like I am not better?

“Nobody takes my message to heart.” I know that very well, Jesus was in the HEART of the Earth for three days and three nights which is the day of the cross seen as 3 pictures, a similitude like Jonah, And hell ceased to exist on the third day, So No one is Taking anything to HEART, and no one is sending anyone to HEART, or hell.

When Jesus was in hell, this message was for Him, “YOU will seek Me, and Find Me, When you search for Me with Your WHOLE HEART, Or when you have gathered all those in hell within the Body of Christ, THEN you will find Me on the Third day when I raise You “As for THEE ALSO” and those in hell with you out, and shut the place down by grace.

(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (KJV)

(ISAIAH 26:19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body
shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy
dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. (KJV)

I watched God send a toddler one day. I was walking across a snowy wet parking lot, seeing all the oil drips. When a toddler yanking back on his mother’s arm, Trying very hard to stop her to show her something. He was yelling “Mommy, Mommy, Look at all the Rainbows.”

Maybe we need to stop seeing the leaks of oil, and start seeing the Rainbows.

(GENESIS 9:13) I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a
token of a covenant between me and the earth. (KJV)

(EZEKIEL 1:22) And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of
the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal,
stretched forth over their heads above. (KJV)

The Terrible Crystal is a Prism, and the Colour above the heads of the Creature is the RAINBOW.

I wondered if God changed light, so it was made up of the different colours or wave lengths just for us to see a very beautiful promise. So each time you see a Rainbow, and they are

"My words runneth over" here is the balance of that post "long post"

everywhere, Remember who is talking to you.

You are very correct Lightbeyondthedark. I am an ignorant person. But would it offend you if I told you God had that as a requirement on the application blank? A messenger does not have to understand the message, they just have to relay it correctly.

By UNDERSTANDING the House is established, What Establishes is doubling twice, or the day as 3 pictures. Note the word Established:

(GENESIS 41:32) And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh
twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will
shortly bring it to pass. (KJV)

So it is all as TWO OR THREE witnesses, the day established, then brought to pass as the third witness, so it is not TWO, and it is not THREE, It has to be able to be seen as both two or three.

In order to put the pieces in the right place, You have to have the places. And the day seen as 7 time periods seen as 3 pictures give the places which has to be filled. The day as 7 time periods seen as silver tried in the fire 7 times, the day as 3 pictures is as Gold. The Streets are paved with Gold for it belongs to the three pictures.

Try to put seven trees in the correct places.

(ISAIAH 41:19) I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the
shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the
desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together: (KJV)

The day as 4 6-hour periods then is Sunset to Midnight, gets the Cedar. Midnight to sunrise seen as the Shittah, Sunrise to noon as the Myrtle, Noon to sunset as the Oil tree, Then the day as 2 12-hour periods, seen as 2 witnesses. the Evening or Sunset to sunrise is the Fir tree, Sunrise to sunset is the Pine tree. The day seen as a full 24 Hours like 24 Elders is the Box tree.
Now to apply it. The day as 4 6-hour periods, sunset to Midnight is the White Horse, Midnight to sunrise is the Red Horse, Sunrise to noon is the black Horse, Noon to sunset is the pale Horse.

Midnight to Sunrise, and a RED horse is seen.

(MALACHI 1:8) I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red
horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom;
and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white. (KJV)

He is riding, or MOVING. He moved into the Third time period from sunrise to noon, which is the Myrtle trees. So He looks back, sees the second time period, sees both two time periods together as the Speckled, and the first which is the White horse.

The Speckled then will fit in the Second picture as the first 12-hour period. The Second picture is looking at Jesus in hell, so it as a pit without water is seen as the trees planted in the desert. Jesus comes as the rain, so there are streams in the desert.

(HOSEA 6:2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (KJV)
(HOSEA 6:3) Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord:
his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto
us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. (KJV)

Comes to those dead, as the RAIN in the Desert.

(ISAIAH 35:6) Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the
tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break
out, and streams in the desert. (KJV)

God plants the Trees in the Wilderness, The day of the cross is as a House built, the name of the house is the Wilderness, where Jesus was taken to be tempted. Then given 42 months to continue, to show His servants (the Disciples) what would shortly come to pass, or His going to the cross.

(JOB 39:6) Whose house I have made the wilderness, and the barren
land his dwellings. (KJV)

(PROVERBS 9:1) Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her
seven pillars: (KJV)

(PROVERBS 24:3) Through wisdom is an house builded; and by
understanding it is established: (KJV)
(PROVERBS 24:4) And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with
all precious and pleasant riches. (KJV)

Every jot and tittle fits together.

I look in the Mirror, What I see and what God sees may be a CUBIT of a difference.


Irish, Be a little careful with that type of prayer. It could have repercussions. I sat in a service once and heard the Pastor pray that God would Chastise the Congregation. I assume you can guess who the ONLY ONE who God chastised was? But the Pastor said what happened to him was not Chastisement. But DEMON ACTIVITY.

PS. Your response was taking part in what you called my ill manner ravings. But is it not cute how someone says they will not speak, and chew you out as a final hit and run tactic. I wonder if God will know where you ran to?


Has thou never read “Thou shall lift up on wings like EGOS.”?

What kind of bird watchers book are you using? I do not see any Egos. You must have better eyesight then I have. Might look like a waffle, “Let go of my EGOS.”


Zandore. I did read the verse, I usually look up a Scripture, But as I had said before, That was meant for those who did not accept Jesus. The Dust of His feet was the Disciples the day of the cross, as they did not accept Jesus reaching for non-Jews.


LittleIrish.

That is part of the problem, Not a bad problem, but a good one. It is not so much as coming into belief with God when this started for me, I fell in love with Him. I saw it would never go away, and regardless of how He felt, I was coming, and would not leave.

And though the Church will yell it is not possible, I was BORN AGAIN Before knowing Jesus. I just assumed you had to believe in Him. I came to God, But then, Jesus had already died to get the door unlocked that any might come to Him as the Veil has a VERY BIG RIP.

Most of the things we do concerning God, To pray, to give alms, to care for another was suppose to be done in Secret. Not to be seen of by others, not to be bragged about. But do it, and even try to forget it yourself. Just get your shovel and walk to the mine. Do as He asked, And expect nothing in return for doing what we ought to do.

Ken

Ken, the K.I.S.S. thing is not just Free's... my teacher uses it also... just to letchya know

uh huh...so...

you know, if i'm intrepreting your post correctly, of which i can't be sure, it sounds more like abandonment than love...

but whatever floats your boat...

i think( ) i'll just leave it at that...what i could have only expected has been confirmed...

What is strange to me Ken is that very little of what you actually say makes sense. Of course it doesn't matter if you are ignorant or not, it matters that you are spewing out things are just nonsense.

The only things that make sense in your post are the quotes from the Bible.

Everyone interprets the Bible in different ways. No two people will have exactly the same opinion. Ken, the most Christian thing you could do is LET these people have their opinions. I could point you in the direction of a number of people who would comdemn your beliefs...proclaiming that their interpretation of the Bible was correct, your was wrong and therefore you are going to hell.

I personally do not follow any religious doctrine because I can not force my personal beliefs on someone else, nor could I commit to something with so many "unknowns".

I do respect many of the moral teachings of the Christian faith and I think that having moral fiber and conviction is far more important, though at the same time more difficult than having faith.

OMG!?! What are you talking about? See this is why people dont understand you... No, people don't understand what you say... Why would you want to confuse instead of make clear? Yes, but nobody even want to try to put together the puzzle you lay out, for a lot of reasons... Well maybe you should realise that people can't do that... Speak clearly and people will hear you... Speak respectfully and people will listen to you... Then wouldn't you want people to hear your message clearly? Wouldn't you want people to respect you enough to listen to you? If you were more respectful, open, and understanding, then yes... People would see you differently, and would be more open to you and your beliefs... Take me for example... I have the respect of many people on this forum, and you know why, because I first showed them respect... And now they listen to me... They don't nessisarly agree with me, but they listen...Then why don't you show others respect? Why don't you have a humbled heart? Why don't you show understanding?Like I said before Ken, I don't tell anyone they are going to hell, its not my place... But I also don't state they are just going to get into heaven either... I believe what the bible teaches.. That you have to in your heart, accept Jesus as your personal savior... What is your point?So your saying that everyone goes to heaven, no matter what they have done, even if they never repent of it...
Well I guess, its just what you believe...Ok, that says it all right there... You really dont care... That is truely sad...Why would you know that and except it? Thats like singing a beautiful song and not letting anyone hear it...But what makes you think you are relaying it correctly? To me and my beliefs you spread false words... But I forgot, you dont' care anyways... What if Irish believe you are sayinf false things... SHould he not pray to God? I think he should...

Amen to that!!

Ken, i dare you to read some of these replys, and 'take them to heart'.

can you not see people are trying to reach out to you? you're blind my friend

Why we just ignore him?
After some tries of preaching someone and no reciving a responce, he will bored and go away to bother in another forum.

How many times must you be told. "I am a non-believer" been there, did that, do not want that. I did at one time but not now. I respect all religions for the "Hope and Faith that it gives" but me as an individual...No.

Matthew 10:14 (King James Version)
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Everyone else on this Forum that does not want to talk with, or talk to ken either post this with his name or send him a Personal Message with it.

Lightbeyondthedark.

Why try to read something you can not understand? I had already spoken of parts of this on this thread. That was what I was showing, Then it gets harder as the pieces are put together. But you need the pieces.

What I am talking about is contained in the 69 pages already on this thread. But, I think you might have been preoccupied. You have complained that my posts are too long, So I will not go and put it all together again. This is not the Bible in 25 words or less. You want to know what this is about, Try page one, and go on from there.

Light, I do not desire Respect, I know what I am. I feel no need that another needs to see me in any special way. I chose to follow Jesus, and He asked us to speak His words, Not our own.

Did you ever consider a thread on the need of Respect? For this is not what this thread is about. But it seems to be spoken of a lot. It is about it being hard to believe in God. I try to show what God is really like, What Scriptures really say, So the illusions about God do not stand in the way of a person making a real choice with real facts.

The illusion of perfect protection. Pushed by telling the Daniel in the Lion’s den story, Any by refusing to tell the tens of Thousands eaten by lions story. Freespyryt much have known of Daniel when she was being hurt. So why did not God protect her, He protected Daniel?

Daniel is a lesson, Daniel will be DEAD IN CHRIST the day of the cross, Even Daniel. For the Law justifieth no man. The Lion of the Tribe of Judah having a den called a Sepulchre in a garden by Golgotha. And God closed the Lion’s mouth which is the Mouth of the Sepulchre.

Set a watch before My Mouth is the Guards sent by pilate:

(PSALMS 141:3) Set a watch, O Lord, before my mouth; keep the door
of my lips. (KJV)

My POINT is Hell is made by God, and the requirements for getting there. But not seeing God took them all out of hell seen in Zechariah 9:11 which I have listed many times, they see it as still open for business, Still an eternal torture for humans. Which is what you say, No matter how you might want to phrase it, or have it just between the lines.

You have listed the requirements that you see as a MUST DO to avoid hell, And it is seen as a DO IT OR ELSE by your wording.

I can tell who is preaching fire and brimstone if they are putting it right on the table, or sliding it under the table, Plain and simple, or kind of hidden in sweet words. It still amounts to the same message.

We are saved by grace, through faith and that not of ourselves, it is a GIFT OF GOD.

Yes, I said all are saved, there is no repentance as a requirement for God’s grace.

(ROMANS 11:29) For the gifts and calling of God are without
repentance. (KJV)

(HOSEA 13:14) I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I
will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O
grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine
eyes. (KJV)

God said the same thing, And Jesus had to fulfill Hosea 13:14 to the jot, the tittle and the NO Repentance.

“No one takes my message to heart” MEANS “No one is taking my message to the Heart of the earth or to hell” because hell no longer exists. I was speaking a parable, a similitude. I was taking what you said, And making it correct by showing it also said something you did not want it to.

I was just warning Irish about praying to God to humble someone else. Warning are sometimes taken serious, Sometimes disregarded. Like when the waters at the beach rush out to sea, That is a warning.

What one sees as nonsense, God might see as His message. This is like shopping in a story, at death we reach the cash register. What you have of value will determine if you go to the express line, or have to unload a full shopping cart.

LittleIrish,

I can not take anything to heart, Hell ended the third day. People are reaching for what? To change the way I speak? The way I see things? The way they perceive I feel about them?

Knoweth thou that a prayer is made for the prayee? When we pray for our enemy, it is to get us caring for the other. When we pray for the hungry to be fed, it is for us to get involved in their care. When we pray for God to give us this day our Daily bread, it is for us to be looking for God sharing with us, In our lives, to be ready to receive that God gives us daily anyway.

Praying for me to change might very well be God wants them to accept how I am. Then to look what is really bothering them. And I do not think it has come out yet.

I am not only Blind, I am the Blind following the Blind.

(ISAIAH 42:19) Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my
messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and
blind as the Lord's servant? (KJV)
(ISAIAH 42:20) Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening
the ears, but he heareth not. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 42:21) The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness'
sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. (KJV)

For BLIND is Jesus Christ, He who is PERFECT.

(JOHN 9:41) Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have
no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (KJV)

Zandore,

I know you are what you call a non-believer, I am saying you are the dust that was suppose to be shaken off for not receiving Jesus, and that is from those who tried to get you to receive Jesus, and have not been able to.

However I know all mankind is in the body of Christ, and I do no think people who fight God do not believe in Him. They just don’t want to believe and He will not go away from their thoughts.


Isn’t it cute how people have mentioned not talking to me, But they still do. You need to learn about a bird, He is called “COLD TURKEY” Just stop. Don’t read what I post. Do you need to form a union or something? You can Boycott Ken, Unless God has a way of breaking the union. Remember He comes to send Division.

Isn’t that great, Anyone who does not want to talk to me, send a personal message. I am sure if you go to Walmart frozen food section, You can find a COLD TURKEY.

(MATTHEW 10:40) He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that
receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. (KJV)

Whosoever ignoreth you, ignoreth Me, And whosoever ignoreth Me, Ignores He who sent Me.

It works both ways:

Ken

The "I'm not going to talk to you anymore" is like a final hit as you turn to leave. It is just one more shot you just need to take, As if that will make them feel sorry for losing your friendship. But was it friendship? If that is the direction you are taking.

When Jesus said to swear not at all. It means no oaths, no vows, No promises, No statements like "I will never talk to you again." For they all cometh of evil. For they all bind a person to do something. And pride is the rope used.

I found this in a news paper and I agree with it:
No sane , moral person can actually read the Bible and accept it's God as loving.
God abandoned his children. God condemned everyone for the acts of a few. God drowned millions of adults, children and unborn babies. God extended the daylight so some could commit genocide. To a moral person,these are not acts of love. These are acts of a psychotic.
Fortunately the Bible is not true, being instead a collection of inane myths interesting to us mostly for what they say about those who created them. The inventors of both the Bible and it's God were a fear-ridden, ignorant, superstitious people who insanely embraced mass murder as an example of love and other reprehensible acts as models of morality, justice and goodness.
My opinion

i used to believe in that bull****, but "god" has never done anything for me. So why should i worship someone that never done anything for me. And if "god" excisted he would have done something at least, i've had bully problems since first day at school... DO YOU THINK IT'S FUN TO GET PULLED DOWN THE STAIRS!!! pushed of every f***ing bench you try to sit on! gettin' insulted as soon as someone sees you! ive realized my whole f*****' school hates me! and there's nothing i can do about it...

If you see someone else being bullied, roppi311, what would you do?

Most people read your posts to get a laugh, not because they think they will understand you... Most people don't understand you, ask around... You say you try to spread the message of Jesus, but what good does it do when nobody take your message to heart? Maybe it does you good, if so thats great, but you could just talk to a wall and get the same thing acomplished...


I have been preoccupied? Yeah, sure... The only thing I have been occupied with is trying to understand you, and praying that the lord may give me understanding for you... Things you say the bible says, I frankly do not agree with... But thats fine... But this attitude you have that you know everything about the bible and you are all wise, thats really getting old... Thats the kind of thing that makes people think that you think your better then them...


Well I do, as I am sure the rest of the UM users do... So start showing it...
Respect is how you get people to hear and listen to you and your message... And more then that its just courteous to be respectful..


Yeah, but then you would just crash it with your disrespectfulness...


You try to show what you believe God is really like, and what you believe Scriptures say...


But that is part of faith... You have to have total trust in your God in every aspect... So the perfect protection is not an illusion... I will not die until it is my time... Until that time I am protected by God... Doesn't mean bad things never happen, just means that when I am in Gods hands I should not fear those things... My God is greater then any bad thing that could happen, and my God will heal my wounds...


Revelation 20:11-15


You hear what you want to hear Ken... I don't preach fire and brimstone... If I ever say anything about hell, I speak of how to escape it...


Are you forced to take a gift?


Oh ok... You do not even take what the bible says and show it in a true light, well in my opinion anyways... How could you take something I said and flip it around on me?
So if hell doesn't exsist, then are you saying Satan doesn't exsist either?


Yeah but a good humbling is what you need... You need to be shown your no better, your no worse, you don't know everything, and maybe you should be more respectful and understanding...


Stop speaking in your "riddles"... You know how I meant it, so you should at least talk about it in that context...


Almost nothing you have ever said feels correct to me... I have prayed many times about this also, and God has never made me feel like your words were correct...


Yes, but you are not Jesus,a nd you are far from perfect...


Simple reasoning behind that is your lack of respect...


Why is it I come with the message of Jesus christ, and I don't get the same response as you?



The relationship I have with God goes far beyond anything physical like the bible or things of that nature... Its a very intimate spiritual relationship... People judge God when they don't know him, even then how can you judge a God? This is never an argument I will win, and I don't even have the energy to do it right now...

Maybe you try seeing with you heart and not your eyes... You may be surprised at what you see...
And trust me, I know all about bully problems... Go tell someone, and if that doesn't work, go tell the cops... Do you expect God to just strike them down? Do something about it yourself, and stop putting blame on God for your problems...

People do that too often... They put all the blame for their problems on God, and never give him credit for their accomplishments... When ever something bad happens it always "why did you do this to me God?"... Then when something good happens its "look what I did for myself... I am so awesome!"
More often it should be said "ok something bad happened... what can I learn from this?"...


just my humble opinion...

LBD

ps. roppi311- wasn't trying to come down on you or make light of your problems... I didn't want to make you feel bad or upset...

Do you expect them to love such an egoist who curses life so much and can not find true beauty and happiness in it?

Wow, what a hot topic here...



This is very reasonable, considering the times that those people lived in. Today, the idea of God is much more personal and loving, to accomidate where we are as a culture and society. In the more barbaric times god was assigned more barbaric attributes by the people, and thus more easily identified with.

The concept and belief of God evovles with the people who believe in him...not to start up another evolution/creationism discussion

Ken,
Ok... I accept that you think everyone goes to heaven, and even I think its a nice thought, but please explain this to me then...
The Mark of the Beast, spoken of in Revelation...
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: - Revelation 13:16
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name - Revelation 13:17
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. - Revelation 14:9-11

Please, explain away...

Please....In terms that every one could understand.

holy shamoly....

disputes left and right. And it seems that LBD is in the blue corner with towel men, Zandore & Irish. Ken is in the red corner with.... his own towel and bucket? This is gonna be an unbelievable brawl. LOL. couldn't resist. I got my money on LBD though. Keep the punches above the belt don't want any penities.

Is that the best you can do Free? Is any one giving odds. : Neither could I. Keep it clean?

Lightbeyondthedark.

Forget the Respect issue, We see differently, I think there has been enough said, that is not what this thread is about. I know how I care for others, and I know to be kind, If you do not see me as being that way, Take it up with God. For me, this issue of respect ends here. You see what you want. See how you perceive they are. But it yourself.

When I show how I see God, I use many references so it can be searched out of that is correct. They ought to be addressed if the verses do not match the concept. Not opinions without listing some scriptural base for them.

Perfect protection is an illusion as far as it covers all Christians from all possible hurts. Those who were fed to the lions are a testimony to that, The Disciples slain was a testimony to that. And Freespyryt praying to God to have the man stop hurting her is also a Testimony.

I will that it one way, If God has something for you to do on earth tomorrow, You are not leaving today. You are only listing DEATH as in that perfect protection, But that is not what perfect protection covers. But a total blanket protection, That is what I am saying does not exist for Christians, But what many coming to Christ Expect, and what many denominations preach.

You can preach how to escape hell, But the OR ELSE is implied, and that is where the Fire and Brimstone is preached, even if it is not mentioned.

Jesus comes as the Rain, Rain is a Gift, If we refuse to accept the Rain, Do we stay dry? God poured out His spirit upon all flesh, that spirit is Jesus Christ. Jesus seen in Job 33:26 rendered to man His righteousness, it does not say rendered to those who would accept it.

Neither does Isaiah 53:6 say God laid upon Jesus the iniquity of all who wanted Him to take it, It says God laid upon Jesus the iniquity of us all.

Satan is a similitude, God hides Himself, the name means the Word of God, Satan desires to sift Peter:
(AMOS 9:9) For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of
Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet
shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. (KJV)

Satan accuses, God’s word says we have all fallen short, and the Accusation is CORRECT.

God speaks in Similitudes, God speaks through Jesus in Parables, Maybe God is speaking through me in Riddles.

Ken

Hmm... Maybe God speaks through me clearly...

And bottom line about the respect thing, I will not forget it as long as you seem to think its not important... Like I said, you may not value it, but some of us do...

And the references you use are the same I would use, from the bible... But you interpret them different... So they are no more valid then my beliefs...

We can... We have ways of staying dry...You don't seem to understand.. I like the idea of everyone going to heaven, but in my opinion its not scriptually true... You see the bible as speaking in more riddles... While I think there are some parts like that, not the entire bible is like that... Sometimes God makes it clear as crystal...

just my humble opinion...

LBD

Lightbeyondthedark.

A Lamb is a Beast of the Field, A Lion (like of the Tribe of Judah) is a beast. Mark the perfect man applies to Jesus.

Mark the Perfect Man Psa 37:37= Jesus, Lamb is a beast=Christ=666
Here is the Mind that has Wisdom (seen as 7 in Pro 9:1), Let he who has
understanding Count the number of the beast=4 around throne, 5th out of
sea, 6th out of earth, Scarlett colored beast is numbered =He is # 8,
?? # 7 is missing, Next Rev 14:1 shows the missing beast=A Lamb stood
on Mt Sion=Lamb's a beast=Jesus=666, for it is the number of a man.

You mentioned Revelation 14:9/11 But lets go to 14:12.

(REVELATION 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are
they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (KJV)

In the Fire (God’s word) and Brimstone (The Breath of the Lord) are the Saints, or we are the ones tormented day and night. Caring for others can be seen in many ways. Our Concerns for the hungry, homeless, etc, they never go away. If we feed everyone on earth, our concern would go to another of their needs.

The day of the cross is seen as 3 pictures, 1=anger, 2=Fury. 3=Wrath, the day as a wine press, He treads them in anger, Tramples them in fury, they are trodden in wrath. The Wine of the Wrath of God is the Blood of Christ which is poured out, As the Vine of the Earth was gathered in a Garden called Gethsemane. Taken to Jerusalem, and trodden without the City.

So Trodden which is part of the Third picture, which is also WRATH, so the Wine of the Wrath of God is the blood of Christ shed at Golgotha. The KEYWORDS put the pieces in the right place.

So Mark the perfect man, So if you RECEIVE HIS MARK, or Receive Jesus. The first 6-hours is the RIGHT HAND, so Receive His Mark there. The day as 4 6-hour periods, (John is writing as the words appear to him, in his mind) or in His FOUR HEADS, Not forehead.

The Third angel sounds at Sunrise, that is Sunrise to noon. The Judgement of Christ. Jesus is the CUP of His indignation. As upon Jesus was placed the iniquity of us all.

Jesus has the MARK of the BEAST, We see Jesus as the LAMB of God. Many see a man,

Ken

OMG!?!

I can't believe what i just read...
The bible talked about false prophets, and I think I have found one...
I can't believe you try to flip "the mark of the beast" (beast being the Antichrist) around as being something of Jesus...
The mark talked about in Revelation is something yet to come... Something in the tribulation...
All that accept the mark with burn, but all who reject it inturn reject Satan... Their heads will be taken for not accepting the mark, but for rejecting the mark God will give them a crown of life...

just my humble opinion..

LBD

ps~
If there are any other christians on this forum who find something very disturbing with what Ken is saying I would like to know...

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I mean people that are not even christian know that the number 666 is not of Jesus...
I am sure everyone knows what 666 is...
Well maybe not exactly what it means, but most people know what it stands for...

just my opinion...

LBD

I don't have a clue what ken1burton is talking about. Jesus is not the antichrist. He is the Christ. 666 has nothing to do with Jesus. 666 is the mark of the beast and is simply a mark that the antichrist puts on your hand or forehead. 666 is not a person nor does it represent a person. It represents a mark.

I don't know where people get off expecting that God has to eat out of their little hands. Life here is a test. This life is nothing and is worth nothing. "Oh, I was bullied and picked on. Oh the humanity!" If you've ever been picked on as a child, please rise your thumbs! If you've had a bad childhood, stick out your tongue . If you're life has been perfect, yawn: There's no yawning in that space. We've all had a bad life....get over it! You're not the only one. You've experienced what this life is all about and instead of doing something about it, you just sit back and let it happen. You're being tested and you're failing the test!

Not everyone goes to heaven. In the beginning, God created male and female and they sinned. The result of their sin is death. There was then a separation between God and man and then Jesus came and died for mankind, closing that gap. The punishment of sin is death, but you can achieve everlasting life by accepting Jesus. You're not going to get to heaven by denying Christ. One more thing, not even Jesus got away with having a life free of people not liking him. The people hated him and eventually crucified him.

If you want a life different than the one you have, you have to stand up and change YOUR life. You can't sit back and wait for everyone else to change or to make your life better. You've got to change. If these people hate you, then there is a reason. Change it!

Lightbeyondthedark.

I told you that you were preoccupied, and not following what was being said. This is not something new. Revelation is looking at the day of the cross. So the mark has to be seen that day. And Mark the Perfect man only applies to one person, A Person who also is seen as the Lamb of God, and the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Both seen as Beasts.

The Tribulation is the day of the cross made as 7 days seen as 3 pictures which are also days, so He has tribulation 10 days.

Burning? Did you know God’s word is like as a fire in Jeremiah 23:29. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego had no problem with the fire. It was heated seven times hotter, they were in the Body of Christ the day of the cross, a say where all visions look, So that is what Nebuchadnezzar was seeing, Them with Christ.

Isaiah 33:14 “Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?” GUESS WHO?

Isaiah 33:15 “He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly.” HINT, HINT. HINT.

If you don’t like fire, Don’t follow Jesus.

Finding something very disturbing means nothing, How about finding something which goes against what Jesus had to fulfill to the Jot and tittle, So it is not opinions, but Scriptural truths.


Irish, Great verse, Matthew 24:24. NOW, I just need for you to Grasp something. Who did the Signs and wonders? I don’t. Would you like a hint? Here is one, even if you do not want one, seeing you already know WHO they are.

Acts 2:43 “and many wonders and signs were done by the Apostles.” For their DOCTRINE was False, they never saw sin ended as accountable unto man.


If you think the Number 666 applies to the man of sin, GUESS who took the sin of the world? GUESS who had them ALL? Guess who exulted Himself above all that is CALLED (Not what really is) God?

GUESS who sets in the SEAT of God, showing Himself to be God? as Zechariah 12:8 shows the House of David which is Jesus Christ AS GOD.

GUESS when the Falling away first was? (Now where did all those Disciples flee to?) That is also a HINT.

AntiChrist? Ever consider Jesus taking upon the sin of the World, and having rendered to mankind His righteousness? He became everything He was not. Sin had to BELONG to Jesus to fulfill the law in Deuteronomy 24:16. Where Every man is put to death for His OWN SIN.


In the Beginning God created a Similitude, He took two people not knowing right from wrong, Put them in a room full of cookies, Told them they could have all but the Chocolate chip ones in the middle of the table, and NO ONE can figure the outcome?

God speaks in Similitudes, The fall of mankind. Cute story.

The wages of sin is death, and Jesus as a thief stole our paychecks at Golgotha.

A couple of Disciples wanted to DESTROY a town that would not receive Jesus, He rebuked them, Told them what I now tell many here “YOU KNOW not what manner of Spirit you are of, For the Son of Man did not come to DESTROY man’s lives, But to save them.”

Ken

As a former Believer and a current NB, I find that very disturbing. Jesus has the mark of the beast?
My honest opinion.