Zandore,

You do not believe in Jesus, Why would you find it disturbing? Unless your claim of being a non-believer is not to be believed? And I have never believed you are a non-believer, For a REAL Non-believer does not need to Fight God.

Key word is NEED to fight God.

And for an HONEST opinion, You need to do some SOUL Searching. Why would it disturb you?

Ken

Oh give me a break... I follow exactly what you are saying... The only thing I am preoccupied with is trying to figure out what your trying to say...
You are basically saying that the entire bible talks in similitudes... And that none of what it says can be taken literally...
Then please explain why most christians these days would not agree with you? Why is it that experts on the bible such as Dr. Jack VanImpe or Billy Graham would not agree with you?

I dont understand how you can look at the book of Revelation and think that...
Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near. - Revelation 1:3
Does it say the time has already come? No, it says the time is near, meaning "not happened yet"

The tribulation is 7 years long, and it happens here on earth...Revelation makes that clear..

No, I like love, peace, and forgiveness... Thats why I follow Jesus...

I have not seen one thing that you have ever posted that I would consider scriptually true... I see what you think is truth... I see your interpretation of the bible... Maybe thats truth to you, and thats fine... But I don't agree, and I really find it hard to understand how you see the bible in the way you do...

"false christs" "false prophets" hello?

I see the point your trying to make, but you see Revelation as somethien that has already happened... Well explain this to me then please..
so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. - Revelation 13:17

So now you are saying that Jesus was infact the Antichrist?

I agree.. Jesus did come to save all of us... But God still gave man the choice if he wanted to be saved...
Why would God give us this great gift of free will just to snatch it away from us?

Ken,
You are over looking alot of what Revelations says... Suck as the Antichrist entering the temple and magnifying himself above all Gods... And the Rider on the white horse... What else? Oh how about the final Judgement... And New Jerusalem?
Hmmm...

**Sigh** Let me say it again.
If religion, Any religion gives a person hope and faith when they need it then it (religion) is good. What you do ken is plant the seed of dought where it could do the most damage to some one that needs that hope or faith. Jesus is the savior and here you are saying that he has the mark of the beast, does that sound right?
If you stop and read all of my replies to your post I was not fighting God but was fighting you. You have made fun of not only my belief but you continue to make fun of your own belief. A person is supposed to find what they need in the Bible not what you find or what LBD or me but what they feel they need.
I did a lot of soul searching before I decided to give up religion. Do not pass judgment on me till you know the reason why.
Why don't you do some soul searching and ask your self if some of the things you are saying is the right things. If some of those things are not the right things to be saying where a young one will read and make them choose the wrong option. Spare a soul and do that search now.

how can anyone say that if u like fire, follow jesus? jesus died forgiving those that killed him, he healed the sick and the afflicted, the disciples did works, yes, but they did them to glorify god, jesus healed, the antichrist will not be able to do works, but only to deceive the world. to be of the world is to be decieved by the world and that is inevitable for the lost.

how can jesus be the antichrist or have the mark of the beast when revalation comes after the life of jesus and is a prophesy of the future to come, not of the past. plus, if the antichrist had already been here, we would not exist right now talking about it.

Not trying to argue his point what ever that may be, But wasn't there a prophesy about Jesus 2,000 years before his birth?
PS I am a NB and did not like his response.

yeah, jesus life was prophesised(sp) by many people as the messiah and son of god. john the baptised was waiting for this prophecy to come true.

You think you could get someone else to see that?

good luck getting "someone else" to see that... *cough*

its in scripture. if i had my bible id tell where, but i dont have it wit me right now

Swallow a fly?

seems like it

What...getting someone to see or the fly?

fly. getting someone to see is hard, but trying to help them see by putting it in front of their face needs not luck, just time

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because i can find it and show the people, if they choose not to see it, thats their choice

Do you push religion on them if they say no thanks?

nope, its my job only to plant the seed, if im lucky enough to see it sprout, then glory be to God, if not, aw well i did my duty.
if there are questions, i put my knowledge into the answers, but other than that, nope dont push nothin on nobody

This is what more people should learn.
Hint

i learned a lot of people try to scare lost people into becoming saved and christian by telling them about end times, but we should tell about the love that was given for us, and tell the truth, end times is going to be bad for all, lost and saved.

Only if that is your belief.

Christians are not the only ones preaching the end times...

right. if christian. if not, pushing religion on NB's is wrong and only damages credibility.

I want to rub a certain persons nose in that.

who is that?

No...
just hinting at who the "someone" is... you and I know...

but I may be inclinded to cough up the BS he tries to feed me and everyone else... lol

just my humble opinion...

LBD

o ok

You cough, I puke it up. Sorry I throw it up..... er vomit it up.

sorry but i still dont understand what u mean by coughin and pukin it up, can u xplain/

Better then trying to digest it...
It would just come out like it went in... a big pile of s***... lol (kinda a sick image... eww.. lol)

LBD

Please refer to that PM I sent you.

ooooohhhhhhhh ok

On a bad day I am sloww also.

just been on the comp too much.

Na... He probably just doesn't have enough caffeine in his body... j/j

amen to that. didnt get my coffee this mornin.

Quick give LOG a fix of caffeine.
LOG? Not like a bump on a log by chance?




Lol

naw. i got my coffee now. im good

Here you go Ken... Here is some more scripture from Revelation for you to ponder and explain...

Men worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it? - Revelation 13:4
So the way you believe, "the dragon" is God and "the beast" is Jesus? Hmmm...

And if Jesus is "the beast" then please explain this one..
And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If any one worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also shall drink the wine of God's wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. - Revelation 14:9-10

Think about it...

LBD

hold on dud, the beast and dragon. the dragon is lucifer, who, during the rapture and end times, will be released from the lake of fire, hell, and the beast is the antichrist, who will come to earth, or is already here. and people will think the is christ. since the jews and other religions dont think the messiah has come yet, they will believe that he is the messiah and will follow him. then he will rebuild the temple of soloman, the true temple of god, and proclaim himself god and all hell will break lose

These are all things I know...

Except for the jews worshipping the beast... The beast will try to being the Jews down, and it is during the tribulation hour that the jews will turn their belief to Christ...

Just my humble opinion...

LBD

so ken thinks the dragon is god and the beast is jesus? i bet he thinks the mark is 666 also. the mark is already being produced. i bet its the chip that people are getting installed in their left palm and forehead that allows them to buy things without using money or credit cards.

Yes this is what Ken says...

And I would agree with you about the microchip thing...
What thing would be better to track every person? And to make it so you can't buy or sell without it? It makes sense to me...

just my opinion...

LBD

if the thinks that, ken is crazy.
yep, i think right now is the end times. prophecy is being fulfilled almost to the very "t" and we are all in the middle of it.

I agree... Most people don't see it like that, and thats fine, their opinion... But maybe this discussion is better suited for the Armageddon thread...

just my opinion...

LBD

Lover of God can you point how and where the prophecy is being fulfilled? I don't see it.

war in middle east, probably will end up in israel. US pretty much trying to control everyone, the chip, the fact that muslims believe this is Jhi-had, are a few reasons. i didnt put down the scripture bc my bible is at home and im at school. we get into trouble if were caught with it.

Ok then later you can explain it. I have to go, got business

ok