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Lightbeyondthedark.
As long as Billy Graham and Jack VanImpe are Experts on the Bible, Go to their web sites and learn, But what you see as Experts, You might want to check against Scripture. They love hell more then most, Their main message, Accept Jesus or Burn. And that is why I think you think they are experts. Too bad those Experts do not even know a loving God.
Here are the main concepts, they have to be seen to put this in order, it is searchable, I see new posters here, which this has not been explained to:
The day of the cross is where Jesus was taken to be tempted. The day is as a house built. The name of the House is the Wilderness, this is the House that God told David His son which God would raise unto Himself would build.
Here are the References:
(PROVERBS 9:1) Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her
seven pillars: (KJV)
(JOB 39:6) Whose house I have made the WILDERNESS, and the barren
land his dwellings. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:11) And as since the time that I commanded judges to be
over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine
enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an
house. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:12) And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep
with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall
proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:13) He shall build an house for my name, and I will
stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. (KJV)
The day of the cross is also a day taken out of time, the name of the day is called “FOR EVER” when God established the Kingdom of Jesus by fulfilling all the prophecies.
Seeing the day as seven time periods is Wisdom.
Seeing the day as three pictures or doubled twice is Understanding. (Genesis 41:32)
Seeing the pieces put into the right order is Knowledge.
(GENESIS 39:2) And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh
twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will
shortly bring it to pass. (KJV)
Understanding ESTABLISHES the day by showing it doubled twice, or as three pictures
(PROVERBS 24:3) Through wisdom is an house builded; and by
understanding it is established: (KJV)
(PROVERBS 24:4) And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with
all precious and pleasant riches. (KJV)
The First picture is as 4 6-hour periods seen as 4 beasts with 6-wings in Revelation. It is also the first 4 days of Genesis. The Creation story is a similitude for the day of the cross. A day made as seven days by Isaiah 30:26 when God HEALS. Only the day of the cross fulfills Isaiah 30:26.
(ISAIAH 30:26) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light
of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the
light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach
of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (KJV)
God takes the day and shows it three different ways in Revelation, that is why a third is seen at a time.
First picture as 4 6-hour periods or as 4 beasts with 6-wings. The day starts at Sunset or when the Last Supper begins. The day ends at Sunset as Jesus was just placed in the Sepulchre.
Sunset to Midnight as a Lion, Jesus saying who He is, what He will do, Midnight to sunrise, Face like a Calf as He is lead to slaughter (Ezekiel 1:10 saw as an Ox.). Sunrise to noon with the face of a Man as Jesus is judged for mankind.
This is the FACE Heaven and Earth flee from, Old Heaven is the first 6-hours, Old Earth the second 6-hours. So the Angels which are the 144 with Judas seen as a wall in Revelation 21:17 gather all things which offend (Jesus with all sin) from one end of heaven to the other, one end of the earth to the other. New earth is sunrise to noon, New heaven is noon to sunset, the fourth beast with6-wings is as a Flying Eagle as Jesus commends His spirit unto God.
The first seal, Sunset to Midnight is the White Horse, White horse coming in Clouds is Jesus taking the sin of the world during this time period. Clouds seen as sin in Isaiah 44:22:
(ISAIAH 44:22) I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee. (KJV)
Jesus has just said what He will do, Now He has to go and do it, so the Rider on the White Horse goes forth conquering and to conquer. The Crown is the Authority of God, the Sword is the Word of God.
First Angel sounds, Fire, Hail, mingled with Blood. God’s word seen like as a fire in Jeremiah 23:29 as Jesus poured out God’s word (If you don’t like fire or God’s word, Don’t follow Jesus)
Hail is Judas saying “Hail Master” as he came to kiss Jesus in the Garden. Mingled with blood is Peter as he cuts off the ear,
First day in Genesis, “Let there be Light.” which is Jesus speaking from sunset to Midnight the time of the Last Supper “I am the True Vine, I am the Good Shepherd, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. In My Father’s House are many Mansions, I go to prepare a Place for you. If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.” Etc, Etc as Jesus pours out the Light.
Second 6-hour period, Midnight to sunrise. Second day in Genesis, People as waters, Jesus as the Firmament. 144 with Judas seen as the Waters above the Firmament as they are given charge over Jesus, sinners as waters under Jesus, Disciples flee as Islands.
Second time period is Outer darkness, Jesus just took sin, He has no wedding Garment, He is SPEECHLESS. Disciples weeping as they flee, 144 with Judas gnashing their teeth. 144 multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11= 144,000. They are sealed from seeing Jesus is the Messiah in Isaiah 29:10/12. They are virgins seen in Revelation chapter 14. The Body of Christ seen born the day of the cross in Psalms 2:6/7 Given the Heathen in 2:8. This fulfilling the Virgin Birth. As all prophecies are fulfilled the day of the cross. Heaven and earth passing or flee from His face.
(MATTHEW 5:18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (KJV)
Those above seen as the HEAD, those below as the Tail. Jesus is the Head of the first 6-hours, Then He is BEHEADED or Judas and the 144 are the Head, so the day has 7 Heads, The day as 7 time periods and as 3 pictures seen as 10 Horns.
Second seal is the Red Horse, Together with the face like a Calf form the Red Heifer needed by law to cleans the House. The Heifer had to be BEHEADED, God’s word like as a Fire provide th Ashes of the Red Heifer needed.
Third time period is sunrise to noon, The Third seal is the Black Horse with Balances, The time Jesus is Judged, when heaven and earth are seen fleeing from His face, this will then be seen as the Great WHITE Throne of Judgment. For the day is made as 7 days, But the days also have to be SHORTENED or taken back to one day.
A measure of Wheat for a penny (day’s wage) and three measures of Barley for a penny, or the day seen as 3 pictures.
Third angel sounds the Star (Stars are for signs) Wormwood falls upon the Earth, Jesus is made all things cursed as He takes the sin of the World, this is a Sign the Judgment falling on Jesus from sunrise to noon.
(AMOS 5:7) Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off
righteousness in the earth, (KJV)
Third day in Genesis the Waters or People are gathered together, or “With His stripes we are healed” all gathered into the Body of Christ, He is the Gathering or the SEA.
(JOB 7:12) Am I a sea, or a whale, that thou settest a watch over me? (KJV)
The Watch is the Guards by the Sepulchre, of the MOUTH of the Sepulchre, “Set a Watch by My Mouth.” in the Grave they are LUKEWARM, so God spues them out of His Mouth or the RESURRECTION.
Fourth 6-hour period is noon to sunset, Fourth seal is the pale Horse death followed by hell as Jesus died and descended into hell.
Fourth day in Genesis. God makes two great lights, Sun seen as the Throne in Psalms 89:36. The Sun is turned to Darkness as Jesus dies and they think that is the end. Moon seen as the Establishment of the Throne in Psalms 89:37 turned to blood as the Blood of Christ established the Throne.
Fourth angel sounds, a third of the Sun and Moon are smitten, or one of the three pictures is complete.
The Second picture is as 2 12-hour periods, Seen as 2 witnesses in Revelation. As God doubles twice, the second day or picture is also seen as a week, so they see their dead bodies three days and a half or half a week each. Life enters into them as they are fulfilled and made truth.
The Third picture is seen as a full 24 hour day, or as 24 Elders, when the four beasts and the 24 Elders fall down, the day seen is over, and then shown again, as the day is looked at over and over.
So Jesus was taken to the Wilderness or the day of the cross, He then was given the “REVELATION of Jesus Christ which God gave unto HIM (Jesus)” to show unto His servants (The Disciples) things which would shortly come to pass.
Jesus is given 42 Months to continue. He does not know it is God the Father who is talking to Him, God had to hide His Face from Jesus to fulfill Prophecies, If God hid His Face, Jesus would have to go down to the pit, and Jesus DOES have to go into hell to fulfill Scripture.
Command the Stones to be made Bread=Fulfill all the prophecies.
Cast yourself down=all the 144 with Judas, the angels given charge over Thee to take Thee, Afflict Thee, and in their arms Bear Thee up on a Cross at Golgotha.
Fall down and worship Me=Allow yourself to die.
Everything has explanations. But the Scriptures go into a lot of detail, and it takes time, But you have to start putting the pieces together. See what is there, Before you decide, is it true, For if you do not see how this goes together, The Puzzle will never be clear.
Swallow a FLY? Better to swallow the HISS for the Fly, You can learn more, and God hisses in Isaiah 7:18 for the fly, and guess what makes a Hissing noise?
The WHOLE Book of Revelation is looking at the day of the cross. It was fulfilled then as far as established as Truth, There is a future similitude for seeing He whom they have pierced, that is 2029 ad when they see Jesus is the Messiah in Scripture and follow.
Ken
As long as Billy Graham and Jack VanImpe are Experts on the Bible, Go to their web sites and learn, But what you see as Experts, You might want to check against Scripture. They love hell more then most, Their main message, Accept Jesus or Burn. And that is why I think you think they are experts. Too bad those Experts do not even know a loving God.
Here are the main concepts, they have to be seen to put this in order, it is searchable, I see new posters here, which this has not been explained to:
The day of the cross is where Jesus was taken to be tempted. The day is as a house built. The name of the House is the Wilderness, this is the House that God told David His son which God would raise unto Himself would build.
Here are the References:
(PROVERBS 9:1) Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her
seven pillars: (KJV)
(JOB 39:6) Whose house I have made the WILDERNESS, and the barren
land his dwellings. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:11) And as since the time that I commanded judges to be
over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine
enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an
house. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:12) And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep
with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall
proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:13) He shall build an house for my name, and I will
stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. (KJV)
The day of the cross is also a day taken out of time, the name of the day is called “FOR EVER” when God established the Kingdom of Jesus by fulfilling all the prophecies.
Seeing the day as seven time periods is Wisdom.
Seeing the day as three pictures or doubled twice is Understanding. (Genesis 41:32)
Seeing the pieces put into the right order is Knowledge.
(GENESIS 39:2) And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh
twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will
shortly bring it to pass. (KJV)
Understanding ESTABLISHES the day by showing it doubled twice, or as three pictures
(PROVERBS 24:3) Through wisdom is an house builded; and by
understanding it is established: (KJV)
(PROVERBS 24:4) And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with
all precious and pleasant riches. (KJV)
The First picture is as 4 6-hour periods seen as 4 beasts with 6-wings in Revelation. It is also the first 4 days of Genesis. The Creation story is a similitude for the day of the cross. A day made as seven days by Isaiah 30:26 when God HEALS. Only the day of the cross fulfills Isaiah 30:26.
(ISAIAH 30:26) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light
of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the
light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach
of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (KJV)
God takes the day and shows it three different ways in Revelation, that is why a third is seen at a time.
First picture as 4 6-hour periods or as 4 beasts with 6-wings. The day starts at Sunset or when the Last Supper begins. The day ends at Sunset as Jesus was just placed in the Sepulchre.
Sunset to Midnight as a Lion, Jesus saying who He is, what He will do, Midnight to sunrise, Face like a Calf as He is lead to slaughter (Ezekiel 1:10 saw as an Ox.). Sunrise to noon with the face of a Man as Jesus is judged for mankind.
This is the FACE Heaven and Earth flee from, Old Heaven is the first 6-hours, Old Earth the second 6-hours. So the Angels which are the 144 with Judas seen as a wall in Revelation 21:17 gather all things which offend (Jesus with all sin) from one end of heaven to the other, one end of the earth to the other. New earth is sunrise to noon, New heaven is noon to sunset, the fourth beast with6-wings is as a Flying Eagle as Jesus commends His spirit unto God.
The first seal, Sunset to Midnight is the White Horse, White horse coming in Clouds is Jesus taking the sin of the world during this time period. Clouds seen as sin in Isaiah 44:22:
(ISAIAH 44:22) I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee. (KJV)
Jesus has just said what He will do, Now He has to go and do it, so the Rider on the White Horse goes forth conquering and to conquer. The Crown is the Authority of God, the Sword is the Word of God.
First Angel sounds, Fire, Hail, mingled with Blood. God’s word seen like as a fire in Jeremiah 23:29 as Jesus poured out God’s word (If you don’t like fire or God’s word, Don’t follow Jesus)
Hail is Judas saying “Hail Master” as he came to kiss Jesus in the Garden. Mingled with blood is Peter as he cuts off the ear,
First day in Genesis, “Let there be Light.” which is Jesus speaking from sunset to Midnight the time of the Last Supper “I am the True Vine, I am the Good Shepherd, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. In My Father’s House are many Mansions, I go to prepare a Place for you. If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.” Etc, Etc as Jesus pours out the Light.
Second 6-hour period, Midnight to sunrise. Second day in Genesis, People as waters, Jesus as the Firmament. 144 with Judas seen as the Waters above the Firmament as they are given charge over Jesus, sinners as waters under Jesus, Disciples flee as Islands.
Second time period is Outer darkness, Jesus just took sin, He has no wedding Garment, He is SPEECHLESS. Disciples weeping as they flee, 144 with Judas gnashing their teeth. 144 multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11= 144,000. They are sealed from seeing Jesus is the Messiah in Isaiah 29:10/12. They are virgins seen in Revelation chapter 14. The Body of Christ seen born the day of the cross in Psalms 2:6/7 Given the Heathen in 2:8. This fulfilling the Virgin Birth. As all prophecies are fulfilled the day of the cross. Heaven and earth passing or flee from His face.
(MATTHEW 5:18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (KJV)
Those above seen as the HEAD, those below as the Tail. Jesus is the Head of the first 6-hours, Then He is BEHEADED or Judas and the 144 are the Head, so the day has 7 Heads, The day as 7 time periods and as 3 pictures seen as 10 Horns.
Second seal is the Red Horse, Together with the face like a Calf form the Red Heifer needed by law to cleans the House. The Heifer had to be BEHEADED, God’s word like as a Fire provide th Ashes of the Red Heifer needed.
Third time period is sunrise to noon, The Third seal is the Black Horse with Balances, The time Jesus is Judged, when heaven and earth are seen fleeing from His face, this will then be seen as the Great WHITE Throne of Judgment. For the day is made as 7 days, But the days also have to be SHORTENED or taken back to one day.
A measure of Wheat for a penny (day’s wage) and three measures of Barley for a penny, or the day seen as 3 pictures.
Third angel sounds the Star (Stars are for signs) Wormwood falls upon the Earth, Jesus is made all things cursed as He takes the sin of the World, this is a Sign the Judgment falling on Jesus from sunrise to noon.
(AMOS 5:7) Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off
righteousness in the earth, (KJV)
Third day in Genesis the Waters or People are gathered together, or “With His stripes we are healed” all gathered into the Body of Christ, He is the Gathering or the SEA.
(JOB 7:12) Am I a sea, or a whale, that thou settest a watch over me? (KJV)
The Watch is the Guards by the Sepulchre, of the MOUTH of the Sepulchre, “Set a Watch by My Mouth.” in the Grave they are LUKEWARM, so God spues them out of His Mouth or the RESURRECTION.
Fourth 6-hour period is noon to sunset, Fourth seal is the pale Horse death followed by hell as Jesus died and descended into hell.
Fourth day in Genesis. God makes two great lights, Sun seen as the Throne in Psalms 89:36. The Sun is turned to Darkness as Jesus dies and they think that is the end. Moon seen as the Establishment of the Throne in Psalms 89:37 turned to blood as the Blood of Christ established the Throne.
Fourth angel sounds, a third of the Sun and Moon are smitten, or one of the three pictures is complete.
The Second picture is as 2 12-hour periods, Seen as 2 witnesses in Revelation. As God doubles twice, the second day or picture is also seen as a week, so they see their dead bodies three days and a half or half a week each. Life enters into them as they are fulfilled and made truth.
The Third picture is seen as a full 24 hour day, or as 24 Elders, when the four beasts and the 24 Elders fall down, the day seen is over, and then shown again, as the day is looked at over and over.
So Jesus was taken to the Wilderness or the day of the cross, He then was given the “REVELATION of Jesus Christ which God gave unto HIM (Jesus)” to show unto His servants (The Disciples) things which would shortly come to pass.
Jesus is given 42 Months to continue. He does not know it is God the Father who is talking to Him, God had to hide His Face from Jesus to fulfill Prophecies, If God hid His Face, Jesus would have to go down to the pit, and Jesus DOES have to go into hell to fulfill Scripture.
Command the Stones to be made Bread=Fulfill all the prophecies.
Cast yourself down=all the 144 with Judas, the angels given charge over Thee to take Thee, Afflict Thee, and in their arms Bear Thee up on a Cross at Golgotha.
Fall down and worship Me=Allow yourself to die.
Everything has explanations. But the Scriptures go into a lot of detail, and it takes time, But you have to start putting the pieces together. See what is there, Before you decide, is it true, For if you do not see how this goes together, The Puzzle will never be clear.
Swallow a FLY? Better to swallow the HISS for the Fly, You can learn more, and God hisses in Isaiah 7:18 for the fly, and guess what makes a Hissing noise?
The WHOLE Book of Revelation is looking at the day of the cross. It was fulfilled then as far as established as Truth, There is a future similitude for seeing He whom they have pierced, that is 2029 ad when they see Jesus is the Messiah in Scripture and follow.
Ken
Ken please go back to this post I left for you, you may have missed it... Just click the little orange arrow below...
No... I call them experts because they have spent their lives in study of the bible...
Yes they speak of hell, but they will not comform God to themselves, unlike some people...
They speak what the bible teaches...
just my humble opinion...
LBD
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QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Feb 24 2005, 05:41 PM)
They love hell more then most, Their main message, Accept Jesus or Burn. And that is why I think you think they are experts. Too bad those Experts do not even know a loving God.
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No... I call them experts because they have spent their lives in study of the bible...
Yes they speak of hell, but they will not comform God to themselves, unlike some people...
They speak what the bible teaches...
just my humble opinion...
LBD
Lightbeyondthedark.
I had read that post you had, and your experts have the same opinion as you do, Now I wonder if they did not share your opinion if you would have called them experts?
Those two experts have a very rude awakening coming at Heaven’s gate, as they see all those who left hell with Jesus preaching of the Love and grace of God. And everyone left with Jesus, and hell ceased to exist the third day. It was just a place of sleep till Jesus died for sin.
(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (KJV)
I have written Billy Graham many times, I Think Jack VanImpe might have got a letter or two. They did not write back.
“They speak what the Bible teaches” is your Humble OPINION. But not based on Scripture which shows hell ended. And Jesus saved all mankind. Daniel 9:24 is still Scriptural. And Jesus had to fulfill Daniel 9:24 the day of the cross as He said in Luke 18:31.
(LUKE 18:31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them,
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by
the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (KJV)
(DANIEL 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon
thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of
sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in
everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy. (KJV)
(JOHN 19:28) After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now
accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I
thirst. (KJV)
Jesus just had to drink the VINEagar which is the Fruit of the Vine, and allow Himself to die.
(JOHN 19:29) Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they
filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to
his mouth. (KJV)
(JOHN 19:30) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he
said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. (KJV)
Ken
I had read that post you had, and your experts have the same opinion as you do, Now I wonder if they did not share your opinion if you would have called them experts?
Those two experts have a very rude awakening coming at Heaven’s gate, as they see all those who left hell with Jesus preaching of the Love and grace of God. And everyone left with Jesus, and hell ceased to exist the third day. It was just a place of sleep till Jesus died for sin.
(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (KJV)
I have written Billy Graham many times, I Think Jack VanImpe might have got a letter or two. They did not write back.
“They speak what the Bible teaches” is your Humble OPINION. But not based on Scripture which shows hell ended. And Jesus saved all mankind. Daniel 9:24 is still Scriptural. And Jesus had to fulfill Daniel 9:24 the day of the cross as He said in Luke 18:31.
(LUKE 18:31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them,
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by
the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (KJV)
(DANIEL 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon
thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of
sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in
everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy. (KJV)
(JOHN 19:28) After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now
accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I
thirst. (KJV)
Jesus just had to drink the VINEagar which is the Fruit of the Vine, and allow Himself to die.
(JOHN 19:29) Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they
filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to
his mouth. (KJV)
(JOHN 19:30) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he
said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. (KJV)
Ken
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QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ Feb 25 2005, 09:10 AM)
Check this post out Ken...I left it for you on the Armageddon thread... There are many things you have not explained...
LBD
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Read that post and get back to me...LBD
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Please read ken.
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I have written Billy Graham many times, I Think Jack VanImpe might have got a letter or two. They did not write back.
Could this be a message in it's self? 
Zandore.
I did read it, and I did explain it. Jesus was carried by the Spirit from the Baptism to the day of the cross (House built called the Wilderness). Jesus is given these Revelations, then given 42 months to continue. Or goes back and preaches for 42 months. Making the day of the cross then as a thing that will shortly come to pass.
John is writing, and is in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, Or the Spirit has taken John to the day of the cross to record these things.
Their not writing back was a Message, a Message God told me about already:
(LUKE 21:15) For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your
adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. (KJV)
They did not have an Answer. Not a Scriptural one that would hold up to search.
Ken.
I did read it, and I did explain it. Jesus was carried by the Spirit from the Baptism to the day of the cross (House built called the Wilderness). Jesus is given these Revelations, then given 42 months to continue. Or goes back and preaches for 42 months. Making the day of the cross then as a thing that will shortly come to pass.
John is writing, and is in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, Or the Spirit has taken John to the day of the cross to record these things.
Their not writing back was a Message, a Message God told me about already:
(LUKE 21:15) For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your
adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. (KJV)
They did not have an Answer. Not a Scriptural one that would hold up to search.
Ken.
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You didn't explain anything...
LBD
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You didn't explain anything...
LBD
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When does he say anything that the average person can understand?
Keep
It
Short and
Simple
when does ken say anything that is true?
It is not for me to say when. I am a NB and do not know the bible that well you might know it better than me, So let me ask you that question.
he quotes scripture, which is true, but he makes comments on the scripture that is the exact opposite of what the scripture stands for. ESPECIALLY the end times. and the antichrist and the Dragon.
No no no... Revelation is all about the day of the cross... 
Well I shouldn't make fun of him for what he believes... But in my mind it just makes a lot more sense Revelation being about end times... I believe the things I have stated make a much better case then what he has said...
just my opinion...
LBD
Well I shouldn't make fun of him for what he believes... But in my mind it just makes a lot more sense Revelation being about end times... I believe the things I have stated make a much better case then what he has said...
just my opinion...
LBD
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But in my mind it just makes a lot more sense Revelation being about end times...
The end of one time and the "beginning of another time.
QUOTE(zandore @ Feb 25 2005, 02:58 PM)
The end of one time and the "beginning of another time.
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Very true... Thank you for the correction my friend...
LBD
Lover of God.
You want Dragons? How many? The day of the cross as God’s word consumes the prophecies, Likened to DRAGONS. And God’s word that is consuming is Jesus fulfilling the prophecies.
Leviathan is a very nice Dragon. The day of the cross is as 3 pictures, so seeing the Jewish Nation can not see Jesus as the Messiah there. How about a Similitude for LEAVEN Hidden in three measures of Meal. Or Jesus hidden in the three pictures.
(MATTHEW 13:33) Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of
heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three
measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. (KJV)
Now let’s call that Jesus or Leaven hidden in the three pictures “LEVIATHAN”.
Seeing Jesus told the Disciples to “Take, Eat, This is My Body.” Let’s liken it to His Companions making a Banquet of Him.
(JOB 41:6) Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they
part him among the merchants? (KJV)
(JOB 41:19) Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire
leap out. (KJV)
(JOB 41:20) Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething
pot or caldron. (KJV)
(JOB 41:21) His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his
mouth. (KJV)
STRANGE, the LORD DOES THE SAME THINGS:
(2SAMUEL 22:9) There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire
out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 22:13) Through the brightness before him were coals of
fire kindled. (KJV)
That was the First 6-hour period, the Second six is the Second seal also, The RED (HINT) Horse.
Red Dragon? How About Midnight to Sunrise. The Body of Christ is seen born the day of the Cross in Psalms 2:6/7. The day of the cross as 1,000 years, so each of the seven time periods and the three pictures as 100 years each.
Sunset to Midnight as the WOMB. The Child is Born, and Jesus taking sin at Midnight, with us in the Body, as His spirit has been poured upon all flesh, So they go ASTRAY as soon as they issue out of the Womb, all the prophecies seen as lies till fulfilled (1-Kings 22:21/24) So Jesus is Spiritually dead because of sin at Midnight.
(ISAIAH 65:20) There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor
an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die
an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old
shall be accursed. (KJV)
The day of the cross is as a house built, the name of the House is the Wilderness.
(ISAIAH 35:1) The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad
for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 35:6) Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the
tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break
out, and streams in the desert. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 35:7) And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the
thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where
each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 35:8) And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it
shall be called the way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass
over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though
fools, shall not err therein. (KJV)
The day of the cross, A HABITATION of Dragons. In the Wilderness, which is the day of the cross.
Lightbeyondthedark,
Before men you might have a case, But before God?
Ken
PS. Watch out for BEHEMOTH, He thinks He can swallow up Jordan, Sounds like Swallowing up death in Victory. Moves His tail like a Cedar, seen as the first of seven trees in Isaiah 41:19 which is Sunset to Midnight, Jesus the Head, the Disciples the TAIL, and the TAIL is moved out of there. Run boys run.
You want Dragons? How many? The day of the cross as God’s word consumes the prophecies, Likened to DRAGONS. And God’s word that is consuming is Jesus fulfilling the prophecies.
Leviathan is a very nice Dragon. The day of the cross is as 3 pictures, so seeing the Jewish Nation can not see Jesus as the Messiah there. How about a Similitude for LEAVEN Hidden in three measures of Meal. Or Jesus hidden in the three pictures.
(MATTHEW 13:33) Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of
heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three
measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. (KJV)
Now let’s call that Jesus or Leaven hidden in the three pictures “LEVIATHAN”.
Seeing Jesus told the Disciples to “Take, Eat, This is My Body.” Let’s liken it to His Companions making a Banquet of Him.
(JOB 41:6) Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they
part him among the merchants? (KJV)
(JOB 41:19) Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire
leap out. (KJV)
(JOB 41:20) Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething
pot or caldron. (KJV)
(JOB 41:21) His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his
mouth. (KJV)
STRANGE, the LORD DOES THE SAME THINGS:
(2SAMUEL 22:9) There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire
out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 22:13) Through the brightness before him were coals of
fire kindled. (KJV)
That was the First 6-hour period, the Second six is the Second seal also, The RED (HINT) Horse.
Red Dragon? How About Midnight to Sunrise. The Body of Christ is seen born the day of the Cross in Psalms 2:6/7. The day of the cross as 1,000 years, so each of the seven time periods and the three pictures as 100 years each.
Sunset to Midnight as the WOMB. The Child is Born, and Jesus taking sin at Midnight, with us in the Body, as His spirit has been poured upon all flesh, So they go ASTRAY as soon as they issue out of the Womb, all the prophecies seen as lies till fulfilled (1-Kings 22:21/24) So Jesus is Spiritually dead because of sin at Midnight.
(ISAIAH 65:20) There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor
an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die
an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old
shall be accursed. (KJV)
The day of the cross is as a house built, the name of the House is the Wilderness.
(ISAIAH 35:1) The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad
for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 35:6) Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the
tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break
out, and streams in the desert. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 35:7) And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the
thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where
each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 35:8) And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it
shall be called the way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass
over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though
fools, shall not err therein. (KJV)
The day of the cross, A HABITATION of Dragons. In the Wilderness, which is the day of the cross.
Lightbeyondthedark,
Before men you might have a case, But before God?
Ken
PS. Watch out for BEHEMOTH, He thinks He can swallow up Jordan, Sounds like Swallowing up death in Victory. Moves His tail like a Cedar, seen as the first of seven trees in Isaiah 41:19 which is Sunset to Midnight, Jesus the Head, the Disciples the TAIL, and the TAIL is moved out of there. Run boys run.
QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Feb 25 2005, 10:22 PM)
Lightbeyondthedark,
Before men you might have a case, But before God?
Ken
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Not a doubt in my mind... Before men you might have a case, But before God?
Ken
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Just a few questions...
If Revelation is not about later times;
Will Jesus not be returning?
Will there not be a Tribulation?
Will there not be the 1000 year reign?
Will there not be the final judgement?
Will there not be the New Jerusalem?
There are still several things I could ask...
LBD
Ken,
Are you trying to confuse someone with all that stuff about dragons? Because it really makes no sense the way you pur it... You really should simplify things so people other then yourself could understand it...
just my humble opinion...
LBD
Are you trying to confuse someone with all that stuff about dragons? Because it really makes no sense the way you pur it... You really should simplify things so people other then yourself could understand it...
just my humble opinion...
LBD
QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ Feb 26 2005, 10:08 AM)
Ken,
Are you trying to confuse someone with all that stuff about dragons? Because it really makes no sense the way you pur it... You really should simplify things so people other then yourself could understand it...
just my humble opinion...
LBD
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Are you trying to confuse someone with all that stuff about dragons? Because it really makes no sense the way you pur it... You really should simplify things so people other then yourself could understand it...
just my humble opinion...
LBD
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When does he say anything that the average person can understand?
Keep
It
Short and
Simple
Like what I said earlier right?
Keep
It
Short and
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Leviathan is a very nice Dragon.
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Isa 27:1(KJV)
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
So nice of a dragon the Lord killed it?In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
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Lightbeyondthedark,
Before men you might have a case, But before God?
Ken
If I had to put my soul in anyones hands it would be LBD, you would be the last I would trust ken.
Before men you might have a case, But before God?
Ken
Lightbeyondthedark.
Not a doubt in your mind? Too bad. There might have been hope for you if there was.
The Book of Revelation is about the day of the cross, it does have a future similitude for the Nation of Israel seeing Jesus is the Messiah in 2029 ad.
Your questions based on if Revelation is not about later times:
Will Jesus not be returning?:
NO, Not physically, Just as Jesus said:
(JOHN 14:19) Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more;
but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. (KJV)
Will there not be a Tribulation?
NO. That was the day of the cross seen as 7 time periods and as 3 pictures all seen as days, That is having Tribulation 10 days. Those out of hell (Zechariah 9:11) are the ones out of Great Tribulation seen in Revelation, They rose with Jesus on the Third day.
Hell seen as a place of sleep (If I make My BED in Hell) till Jesus revives them, and in the third day He raises them up.
(REVELATION 2:22) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that
commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent
of their deeds. (KJV)
Jesus seen as a Woman in the Second picture when He was in hell, Jesus seen as the Four beasts in Hosea 13:7/8 which are the Four beasts in Daniel. The Bear has 3 ribs in His mouth, or the day spoken of as 3 pictures, God takes one of the ribs, or pictures and makes a Woman.
(HOSEA 13:7) Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard
by the way will I observe them: (KJV)
(HOSEA 13:8) I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her
whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I
devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. (KJV)
God asks if a Leopard can change His spots, In Daniel the Leopard is seen in Spot Three, in Hosea in Spot 2. When you look at the day as 4 6-hour periods, you can also look at it backwards or as in the past so 1-2-3-4 becomes 4-3-2-1 and the Leopard moved.
When Heaven and earth fled from the face of a man on the third beast with 6-wings. The Black Horse with Balances became the GREAT WHITE Throne of Judgment, so the Ethiopian changed His skin from black to white.
(JEREMIAH 13:23) Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard
his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do
evil. (KJV)
As the leopard changed spots, and the Ethiopian changed His skin, So the Evil people will be able to do good. For if those two things did not happen, then a person would not be able to change and do right.
Will there be a thousand year reign?:
There was the day of the cross, for the rest of the dead lived not again till after the 1,000 years was over, That happened on the Second day when the rest of the dead lived again, they were raised on the third day. The day as a thousand years, Also seen as each of the seven as 1,000 years.
(HOSEA 6:2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (KJV)
(REVELATION 20:5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until
the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (KJV)
Satan’s 1,000 years Bound in the pit is Jesus has to be in hell on the Second day, as 1,000 years also. The CHAIN is a Chain of events Jesus has to fulfill, even there. Isaiah chapter 14 is looking at Jesus in hell. He is the Bright and Morning Star.
Will there not be the final Judgment?:
There was the Final Judgment the day of the cross, the Great white Throne of Judgment was seeing the Judgment of Christ a second time, First was as the Black Horse with balances, Second was after seeing Heaven and earth or the first two 6-hour periods flee from His face. Seen as the Face of a man on the third beast with 6-wings which was Sunrise to noon.
So every man is judged out of the things written in the books according to THEIR works, and THEIR refers to the BOOKS, Which say, All iniquity on Jesus in Isaiah 53:6, and His righteousness on man in Job 33:26.
So the Wicked seen as SHEEP in Jeremiah 12:1/3 has the righteousness of Jesus on them, all Jesus did was accredited to us sheep, So we enter the Kingdom prepared for us from the Foundation of the world, which is the foundation of the New World which is The day of the cross. The Lamb is slain from the Foundation of the world.
The Goats seen as His battle horse in Zechariah 10:3/6. Then seen as if not cast off. The Goats are the 144 with Judas seen as a wall in Revelation 21:17. They are the Angels given charge over Jesus, Measured to angel status by adding the Cubit which increases their stature.
(REVELATION 21:17) And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and
forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is,
of the angel. (KJV)
(PSALMS 38:19) But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong:
and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied. (KJV)
(DEUTERONOMY 1:11) (The Lord God of your fathers make you a
thousand times so many more as ye are, and bless you, as he hath
promised you!) (KJV)
As they hate Jesus wrongfully, they are multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11. They are the 144,000 with Jesus on the Mount, Still looking at the day of the cross. They are sealed from seeing Jesus is the Messiah by Isaiah 29:10/12.
Sealed till the day of Redemption is sealed from seeing God already saved you. Till the day God reveals you are redeemed already.
Will there not be a New Jerusalem?:
Jesus is New Jerusalem, Seeing Jesus come down off the Mount of Olives is seeing New Jerusalem come down from God out of Heaven, (Old Heaven was sunset to Midnight) God was with Jesus till Jesus took sins, Then as all the prophecies seen as lies till fulfilled are being made truth this day, God who has purer eyes then to look on Iniquity, has to turn away at Midnight when Jesus took sin. As God laid upon Jesus the iniquity of us all.
(REVELATION 21:2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for
her husband. (KJV)
(REVELATION 21:3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,
Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with
them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with
them, and be their God. (KJV)
Jesus seen married to God in Ezekiel 16:8 when Jesus is dead in the Sepulchre, He or SHE is arrayed in Fine Linen, which is what Jesus was wrapped in:
(ISAIAH 62:5) For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy
sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so
shall thy God rejoice over thee. (KJV)
After seen married to God (Become One as we are ONE, as in a marriage) Jesus plays the Harlot of LOVES Everyone.
The day of the cross as 1,000 years, Alive 930 as Adam, Dead or desolate 70 as Jerusalem. So at the end of 70 years or the time Jesus had to be dead, God visits Jesus, seen as Tyre:
(ISAIAH 23:17) And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy
years, that the Lord will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her
hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the
world upon the face of the earth. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 23:18) And her merchandise and her hire shall be holiness
to the Lord: it shall not be treasured nor laid up; for her
merchandise shall be for them that dwell before the Lord, to eat
sufficiently, and for durable clothing. (KJV)
Notice the FORNICATION is HOLINESS unto the Lord, or another similitude for Jesus loving everyone. Under Jewish law, to make a marriage with a Non-Jew is Whoredom. So in Revelation Jesus is seen again as LOVING Everyone. The Seven mountains is the day as 7 time periods. The Judgment is Jesus the day of the cross.
Jesus becomes OUR HABITATION. We dwell in Christ, seen as Babylon (where all were gathered together to see the works of God during “”70 years”“) seen another was a the City Jerusalem which was cursed, and as New Jerusalem. But all loking at Jesus the day of the cross.
God takes those things which we despise, or which really offends us, and uses them in Similitudes so that unless we are searching with all our hearts, we can not get close. He also makes it look as if He also does not like what He is using.
Like Smiting the Daughters of Jerusalem with a Scab on the Crown of their head. Jesus being New Jerusalem, the females as Daughters, and the Scab is a Cradle cap as the body of Christ is born the day of the cross. So we are likened to infants. Baldness instead of hair, etc.
(1CORINTHIANS 1:28) And base things of the world, and things which
are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to
bring to nought things that are: (KJV)
Those things about Dragons have been kept secret for thousands of years, People are not about to accept all most all Christians as wrong. All the Seminaries as wrong, all the Millions of books written on the subjects as wrong. By just telling them what is correct, and using verses to back it up.
Did you notice the Lord and Leviathan seem to be doing the same things? Those are things done during the different time periods, So God uses a Dragon as consuming. As His words are being fulfilled. We got that one, we got that one, and that one, all of the first 6-hours are complete. So now we see the Red Dragon of the second 6-hours. Ready for the Child, as the Body of Christ is being born the day of the cross.
Jesus being the Dragon, the Nation of israel being the Woman in Revelation chapter 12. So the Dragon cast out water (Preaching seen as Living Water.) To have the Woman carried away or accept what Jesus was saying, As God blinded them as in sleep from seeing in Isaiah 29:10/12 God likens it to the earth helping the woman and dying up the flood.
But the Second picture is as a pit where in is no water. Where as the first picture as 4 6-hour periods is as a river divided into four heads. The People as waters, as waves roaring.
There is no simple way of giving this message. God did not give a little to this one, and a little to that one, Pouring out one truth to each of hundreds of people, or ten to each seminary or denomination.
Learn the Parable of Gideon. Not the one posting to the Armageddon thread.
After Gideon gathered Israel to fight the Midianites, God said there were too many people, For God wanted just a FEW so they knew it was from God that they won.
So God has Gideon taken them to the water to drink. Whosoever BOWED down to the water (Jesus is the Living water) was sent to their tents. But those who lapped their tongues against the water were used by God. God used the ones the day of the cross who were fighting Jesus. Not the ones who believed in Him.
(JUDGES 7:6) And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand
to their mouth, were three hundred men: but all the rest of the
people bowed down upon their knees to drink water. (KJV)
(JUDGES 7:7) And the Lord said unto Gideon, By the three hundred
men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into
thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place. (KJV)
God has a timetable, and He is about to show the world what the Scriptures really say. The Jewish nation will see Jesus is the Messiah in 2029 ad, then most of the world will. A few left to salt or a Sacrifice so we do not put our Bibles away. Seen in Ezekiel’s temple vision.
The day of the cross as 4 6-hour periods seen as days, so they are seen in similitude as 1,000 years each or 1,000 cubits. Let Tears run down like a river is for the day of the cross, the river is measured. The fourth 1,000 will take it to noon to sunset as Jesus is on the cross. There during that time or Day, They will look on Him whom they have pierced, seeing Jesus at Golgotha.
The day of the cross is seen as 2,000 years. Then 2,000 from 29 ad till 2029 ad when they will AGAIN look on Him whom they have pierced, But this time by seeing Him Scripturally as their Messiah. So they follow after Him. Not a physical Jesus, But by seeing who He is.
(ECCLESIASTES 6:6) Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told,
yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place? (KJV)
(PSALMS 90:4) For a thousand years in thy sight are but as
yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. (KJV)
The day of the cross as 1,000 years, and God moved Yesterday when it is past to the day of the cross or the 1,000 years David’s child was with God before being REBORN At Bethlehem.
Here is the measurement in Ezekiel:
(EZEKIEL 47:3) And when the man that had the line in his hand went
forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me
through the waters; the waters were to the ancles. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:4) Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through
the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a
thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:5) Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river
that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to
swim in, a river that could not be passed over. (KJV)
The first 6-hours are the Feet, seen in Daniel. The ten toes are the ten Disciples who fled, the Heels are Peter and Judas. So the Woman’s heel, smites the Serpents head, Judas is the Woman’s heal, or under Jewish law, He had to be the first under the law to strike Jesus, then the hand of all the people. Peter rebuking Jesus is lifting up his heel against Me. Jesus is the Clay of the feet.
Every knee shall bow if the second 6-hours to the Knees, as they gather ALL the men of war and they ALL BOWED down and said :” Hail King of the Jews” Which fulfilled “Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess. To fulfill the Prophecy and make it truth, and still all will bow and confess as we come to know Jesus, But this is world without end, so we will never be all together, as others are always being born.
The third to the Loins, “Gird up Thy loins like a Man” so the Third 6-hours has the Face of a man as Jesus is Judged.”
Jesus is on the cross, His arms spread out as a man who swimmeth on the cross, and the waters or people as the waters around Him. This is the river that cannot be crossed, It has to be Dried up for the second picture is as a Desert or hell a pit where in is no water.
(ISAIAH 25:11) And he shall spread forth his hands in the midst of
them, as he that swimmeth spreadeth forth his hands to swim: and he
shall bring down their pride together with the spoils of their hands. (KJV)
Bringing down their pride is Jesus taking upon Himself the sin of the world.
(EZEKIEL 47:8) Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward
the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea:
which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. (KJV)
The Sea being healed is the nation of Israel seeing Jesus is the Messiah, Likened to the waters covering the sea. Or Jesus covering all the people.
(EZEKIEL 47:9) And it shall come to pass, that every thing that
liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall
live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because
these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and
every thing shall live whither the river cometh. (KJV)
Fishers of men will have a lot of converts, As first the Jewish nation sees Jesus is the Messiah, then most of the world will see.
(EZEKIEL 47:10) And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall
stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place
to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds,
as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. (KJV)
Fishers of men will be using NETS, not fish poles. There will be millions of them coming, and Billions is not out of the question.
(EZEKIEL 47:11) But the miry places thereof and the marishes
thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. (KJV)
Few holdouts. Just so we can still preach to unbelievers.
Zandore.
Average person? When the Average person wants to know the Bible with their whole heart, then the Average person will be able to understand what I am saying. So if your still around after 2029 ad, You will see what the average person is doing then, was not what the average person wants to do now.
Leviathan was so nice a Dragon the Lord Killed it. He sure did. His companions made a banquet of Him at the Last Supper (“Take, Eat, this is my Body”) and about 20 hours later on a Cross at Golgotha, The Lord killed Him. But remember, it was Him or US. And the Choice was Christ’s.
I wouldn’t trust me either, Trust God, Humans are Humans.
But as long as you would trust your Soul to Lightbeyondthedark. Light has told you that you need to get back to Jesus, Maybe not in those words, But that is the Gist of it. For Light believes your Soul might be in big trouble if you continue as you are. I know you are saved. I know God loves you and would never forsake you. But it would be a good choice anyway. Not out of fear for your Soul, But out of getting back Home.
Ken
Not a doubt in your mind? Too bad. There might have been hope for you if there was.
The Book of Revelation is about the day of the cross, it does have a future similitude for the Nation of Israel seeing Jesus is the Messiah in 2029 ad.
Your questions based on if Revelation is not about later times:
Will Jesus not be returning?:
NO, Not physically, Just as Jesus said:
(JOHN 14:19) Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more;
but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. (KJV)
Will there not be a Tribulation?
NO. That was the day of the cross seen as 7 time periods and as 3 pictures all seen as days, That is having Tribulation 10 days. Those out of hell (Zechariah 9:11) are the ones out of Great Tribulation seen in Revelation, They rose with Jesus on the Third day.
Hell seen as a place of sleep (If I make My BED in Hell) till Jesus revives them, and in the third day He raises them up.
(REVELATION 2:22) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that
commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent
of their deeds. (KJV)
Jesus seen as a Woman in the Second picture when He was in hell, Jesus seen as the Four beasts in Hosea 13:7/8 which are the Four beasts in Daniel. The Bear has 3 ribs in His mouth, or the day spoken of as 3 pictures, God takes one of the ribs, or pictures and makes a Woman.
(HOSEA 13:7) Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard
by the way will I observe them: (KJV)
(HOSEA 13:8) I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her
whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I
devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. (KJV)
God asks if a Leopard can change His spots, In Daniel the Leopard is seen in Spot Three, in Hosea in Spot 2. When you look at the day as 4 6-hour periods, you can also look at it backwards or as in the past so 1-2-3-4 becomes 4-3-2-1 and the Leopard moved.
When Heaven and earth fled from the face of a man on the third beast with 6-wings. The Black Horse with Balances became the GREAT WHITE Throne of Judgment, so the Ethiopian changed His skin from black to white.
(JEREMIAH 13:23) Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard
his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do
evil. (KJV)
As the leopard changed spots, and the Ethiopian changed His skin, So the Evil people will be able to do good. For if those two things did not happen, then a person would not be able to change and do right.
Will there be a thousand year reign?:
There was the day of the cross, for the rest of the dead lived not again till after the 1,000 years was over, That happened on the Second day when the rest of the dead lived again, they were raised on the third day. The day as a thousand years, Also seen as each of the seven as 1,000 years.
(HOSEA 6:2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (KJV)
(REVELATION 20:5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until
the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (KJV)
Satan’s 1,000 years Bound in the pit is Jesus has to be in hell on the Second day, as 1,000 years also. The CHAIN is a Chain of events Jesus has to fulfill, even there. Isaiah chapter 14 is looking at Jesus in hell. He is the Bright and Morning Star.
Will there not be the final Judgment?:
There was the Final Judgment the day of the cross, the Great white Throne of Judgment was seeing the Judgment of Christ a second time, First was as the Black Horse with balances, Second was after seeing Heaven and earth or the first two 6-hour periods flee from His face. Seen as the Face of a man on the third beast with 6-wings which was Sunrise to noon.
So every man is judged out of the things written in the books according to THEIR works, and THEIR refers to the BOOKS, Which say, All iniquity on Jesus in Isaiah 53:6, and His righteousness on man in Job 33:26.
So the Wicked seen as SHEEP in Jeremiah 12:1/3 has the righteousness of Jesus on them, all Jesus did was accredited to us sheep, So we enter the Kingdom prepared for us from the Foundation of the world, which is the foundation of the New World which is The day of the cross. The Lamb is slain from the Foundation of the world.
The Goats seen as His battle horse in Zechariah 10:3/6. Then seen as if not cast off. The Goats are the 144 with Judas seen as a wall in Revelation 21:17. They are the Angels given charge over Jesus, Measured to angel status by adding the Cubit which increases their stature.
(REVELATION 21:17) And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and
forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is,
of the angel. (KJV)
(PSALMS 38:19) But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong:
and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied. (KJV)
(DEUTERONOMY 1:11) (The Lord God of your fathers make you a
thousand times so many more as ye are, and bless you, as he hath
promised you!) (KJV)
As they hate Jesus wrongfully, they are multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11. They are the 144,000 with Jesus on the Mount, Still looking at the day of the cross. They are sealed from seeing Jesus is the Messiah by Isaiah 29:10/12.
Sealed till the day of Redemption is sealed from seeing God already saved you. Till the day God reveals you are redeemed already.
Will there not be a New Jerusalem?:
Jesus is New Jerusalem, Seeing Jesus come down off the Mount of Olives is seeing New Jerusalem come down from God out of Heaven, (Old Heaven was sunset to Midnight) God was with Jesus till Jesus took sins, Then as all the prophecies seen as lies till fulfilled are being made truth this day, God who has purer eyes then to look on Iniquity, has to turn away at Midnight when Jesus took sin. As God laid upon Jesus the iniquity of us all.
(REVELATION 21:2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for
her husband. (KJV)
(REVELATION 21:3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,
Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with
them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with
them, and be their God. (KJV)
Jesus seen married to God in Ezekiel 16:8 when Jesus is dead in the Sepulchre, He or SHE is arrayed in Fine Linen, which is what Jesus was wrapped in:
(ISAIAH 62:5) For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy
sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so
shall thy God rejoice over thee. (KJV)
After seen married to God (Become One as we are ONE, as in a marriage) Jesus plays the Harlot of LOVES Everyone.
The day of the cross as 1,000 years, Alive 930 as Adam, Dead or desolate 70 as Jerusalem. So at the end of 70 years or the time Jesus had to be dead, God visits Jesus, seen as Tyre:
(ISAIAH 23:17) And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy
years, that the Lord will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her
hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the
world upon the face of the earth. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 23:18) And her merchandise and her hire shall be holiness
to the Lord: it shall not be treasured nor laid up; for her
merchandise shall be for them that dwell before the Lord, to eat
sufficiently, and for durable clothing. (KJV)
Notice the FORNICATION is HOLINESS unto the Lord, or another similitude for Jesus loving everyone. Under Jewish law, to make a marriage with a Non-Jew is Whoredom. So in Revelation Jesus is seen again as LOVING Everyone. The Seven mountains is the day as 7 time periods. The Judgment is Jesus the day of the cross.
Jesus becomes OUR HABITATION. We dwell in Christ, seen as Babylon (where all were gathered together to see the works of God during “”70 years”“) seen another was a the City Jerusalem which was cursed, and as New Jerusalem. But all loking at Jesus the day of the cross.
God takes those things which we despise, or which really offends us, and uses them in Similitudes so that unless we are searching with all our hearts, we can not get close. He also makes it look as if He also does not like what He is using.
Like Smiting the Daughters of Jerusalem with a Scab on the Crown of their head. Jesus being New Jerusalem, the females as Daughters, and the Scab is a Cradle cap as the body of Christ is born the day of the cross. So we are likened to infants. Baldness instead of hair, etc.
(1CORINTHIANS 1:28) And base things of the world, and things which
are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to
bring to nought things that are: (KJV)
Those things about Dragons have been kept secret for thousands of years, People are not about to accept all most all Christians as wrong. All the Seminaries as wrong, all the Millions of books written on the subjects as wrong. By just telling them what is correct, and using verses to back it up.
Did you notice the Lord and Leviathan seem to be doing the same things? Those are things done during the different time periods, So God uses a Dragon as consuming. As His words are being fulfilled. We got that one, we got that one, and that one, all of the first 6-hours are complete. So now we see the Red Dragon of the second 6-hours. Ready for the Child, as the Body of Christ is being born the day of the cross.
Jesus being the Dragon, the Nation of israel being the Woman in Revelation chapter 12. So the Dragon cast out water (Preaching seen as Living Water.) To have the Woman carried away or accept what Jesus was saying, As God blinded them as in sleep from seeing in Isaiah 29:10/12 God likens it to the earth helping the woman and dying up the flood.
But the Second picture is as a pit where in is no water. Where as the first picture as 4 6-hour periods is as a river divided into four heads. The People as waters, as waves roaring.
There is no simple way of giving this message. God did not give a little to this one, and a little to that one, Pouring out one truth to each of hundreds of people, or ten to each seminary or denomination.
Learn the Parable of Gideon. Not the one posting to the Armageddon thread.
After Gideon gathered Israel to fight the Midianites, God said there were too many people, For God wanted just a FEW so they knew it was from God that they won.
So God has Gideon taken them to the water to drink. Whosoever BOWED down to the water (Jesus is the Living water) was sent to their tents. But those who lapped their tongues against the water were used by God. God used the ones the day of the cross who were fighting Jesus. Not the ones who believed in Him.
(JUDGES 7:6) And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand
to their mouth, were three hundred men: but all the rest of the
people bowed down upon their knees to drink water. (KJV)
(JUDGES 7:7) And the Lord said unto Gideon, By the three hundred
men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into
thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place. (KJV)
God has a timetable, and He is about to show the world what the Scriptures really say. The Jewish nation will see Jesus is the Messiah in 2029 ad, then most of the world will. A few left to salt or a Sacrifice so we do not put our Bibles away. Seen in Ezekiel’s temple vision.
The day of the cross as 4 6-hour periods seen as days, so they are seen in similitude as 1,000 years each or 1,000 cubits. Let Tears run down like a river is for the day of the cross, the river is measured. The fourth 1,000 will take it to noon to sunset as Jesus is on the cross. There during that time or Day, They will look on Him whom they have pierced, seeing Jesus at Golgotha.
The day of the cross is seen as 2,000 years. Then 2,000 from 29 ad till 2029 ad when they will AGAIN look on Him whom they have pierced, But this time by seeing Him Scripturally as their Messiah. So they follow after Him. Not a physical Jesus, But by seeing who He is.
(ECCLESIASTES 6:6) Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told,
yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place? (KJV)
(PSALMS 90:4) For a thousand years in thy sight are but as
yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. (KJV)
The day of the cross as 1,000 years, and God moved Yesterday when it is past to the day of the cross or the 1,000 years David’s child was with God before being REBORN At Bethlehem.
Here is the measurement in Ezekiel:
(EZEKIEL 47:3) And when the man that had the line in his hand went
forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me
through the waters; the waters were to the ancles. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:4) Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through
the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a
thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:5) Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river
that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to
swim in, a river that could not be passed over. (KJV)
The first 6-hours are the Feet, seen in Daniel. The ten toes are the ten Disciples who fled, the Heels are Peter and Judas. So the Woman’s heel, smites the Serpents head, Judas is the Woman’s heal, or under Jewish law, He had to be the first under the law to strike Jesus, then the hand of all the people. Peter rebuking Jesus is lifting up his heel against Me. Jesus is the Clay of the feet.
Every knee shall bow if the second 6-hours to the Knees, as they gather ALL the men of war and they ALL BOWED down and said :” Hail King of the Jews” Which fulfilled “Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess. To fulfill the Prophecy and make it truth, and still all will bow and confess as we come to know Jesus, But this is world without end, so we will never be all together, as others are always being born.
The third to the Loins, “Gird up Thy loins like a Man” so the Third 6-hours has the Face of a man as Jesus is Judged.”
Jesus is on the cross, His arms spread out as a man who swimmeth on the cross, and the waters or people as the waters around Him. This is the river that cannot be crossed, It has to be Dried up for the second picture is as a Desert or hell a pit where in is no water.
(ISAIAH 25:11) And he shall spread forth his hands in the midst of
them, as he that swimmeth spreadeth forth his hands to swim: and he
shall bring down their pride together with the spoils of their hands. (KJV)
Bringing down their pride is Jesus taking upon Himself the sin of the world.
(EZEKIEL 47:8) Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward
the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea:
which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. (KJV)
The Sea being healed is the nation of Israel seeing Jesus is the Messiah, Likened to the waters covering the sea. Or Jesus covering all the people.
(EZEKIEL 47:9) And it shall come to pass, that every thing that
liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall
live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because
these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and
every thing shall live whither the river cometh. (KJV)
Fishers of men will have a lot of converts, As first the Jewish nation sees Jesus is the Messiah, then most of the world will see.
(EZEKIEL 47:10) And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall
stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place
to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds,
as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. (KJV)
Fishers of men will be using NETS, not fish poles. There will be millions of them coming, and Billions is not out of the question.
(EZEKIEL 47:11) But the miry places thereof and the marishes
thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. (KJV)
Few holdouts. Just so we can still preach to unbelievers.
Zandore.
Average person? When the Average person wants to know the Bible with their whole heart, then the Average person will be able to understand what I am saying. So if your still around after 2029 ad, You will see what the average person is doing then, was not what the average person wants to do now.
Leviathan was so nice a Dragon the Lord Killed it. He sure did. His companions made a banquet of Him at the Last Supper (“Take, Eat, this is my Body”) and about 20 hours later on a Cross at Golgotha, The Lord killed Him. But remember, it was Him or US. And the Choice was Christ’s.
I wouldn’t trust me either, Trust God, Humans are Humans.
But as long as you would trust your Soul to Lightbeyondthedark. Light has told you that you need to get back to Jesus, Maybe not in those words, But that is the Gist of it. For Light believes your Soul might be in big trouble if you continue as you are. I know you are saved. I know God loves you and would never forsake you. But it would be a good choice anyway. Not out of fear for your Soul, But out of getting back Home.
Ken
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Zandore.
Average person? When the Average person wants to know the Bible with their whole heart, then the Average person will be able to understand what I am saying. So if your still around after 2029 ad, You will see what the average person is doing then, was not what the average person wants to do now.
Yes I think I will still be around in 25 years . About as sure as any one can be how about you? Oh yes there are a lot of people that know the Bible with their whole heart and still don't understand you(Not that they want to anyway).Average person? When the Average person wants to know the Bible with their whole heart, then the Average person will be able to understand what I am saying. So if your still around after 2029 ad, You will see what the average person is doing then, was not what the average person wants to do now.
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I wouldn’t trust me either, Trust God, Humans are Humans.
I don't trust you and I don't believe in God so there you go.QUOTE
If I had to put my soul in anyones hands it would be LBD
I was just speaking in similitudes just like you and just as you misunderstood what I meant every one misunderstands you. A lesson that you should take heed if you want to reach people with your what ever you want to call it.QUOTE
Light has told you that you need to get back to Jesus, Maybe not in those words, But that is the Gist of it.
You have not been reading our posts then. 
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I can't believe your telling me that everything i've believed in is a lie ....of all the personal experiences i've encountered, maybe you call them lies as well?
The Lord has come to my friends and me many times in my life of desperation and despair, the lie is your opinion.
....of all the personal experiences i've encountered, maybe you call them lies as well?The Lord has come to my friends and me many times in my life of desperation and despair, the lie is your opinion.
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Hey, it was I who misunderstood...
I don't know if Jesus did have harsh teachings, I don't think he did. According to the bible, he never sinned.
But I took your post too serisously and went all icky . I can see that you would respect other things in life like religion...I think...
anyways, nice meeting you..
I don't know if Jesus did have harsh teachings, I don't think he did. According to the bible, he never sinned.
But I took your post too serisously and went all icky
. I can see that you would respect other things in life like religion...I think...anyways, nice meeting you..
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Sir Christopher Posted Today, 03:17 AM
It's no big deal, but I'll try to be a bit more careful from now on. When you are criticising someone's religion and guru it can be rude and even hurtful sometimes.
To all concerned, I'm sorry.
No problem here. It's no big deal, but I'll try to be a bit more careful from now on. When you are criticising someone's religion and guru it can be rude and even hurtful sometimes.
To all concerned, I'm sorry.
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How can you morally say, if you believe in such spiritual things, even ONE person is without hope?[right][snapback]505056[/snapback][/right]
I hope this post was directed to Ken, I think it was... 
The arguments we get into go something like this...I say theres a hell, he tells me I am wrong... But then he tuns around and says the the word of God is the Devil... Hmm...
He has a very strange view on christianity...
just my humblest opinion...
QUOTE(Hailo_hellFIRE @ Feb 28 2005, 12:29 AM)
I can't believe your telling me that everything i've believed in is a lie ....of all the personal experiences i've encountered, maybe you call them lies as well?
The Lord has come to my friends and me many times in my life of desperation and despair, the lie is your opinion.
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People can tell you your wrong all day, but as long as you know whats in your heart its all good... ....of all the personal experiences i've encountered, maybe you call them lies as well?The Lord has come to my friends and me many times in my life of desperation and despair, the lie is your opinion.
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The Lord has made himself know to me as well... Thats why I always say its "proof to me"... Stellar doesn't like that terminology, because he says its not proof... But I say, God has proven himself to me, thus it is proof to me... LOL
QUOTE(Sir Christopher @ Feb 28 2005, 02:17 AM)
I think I am a bit too critical sometimes. I should respect people's beliefs perhaps a bit more.
It's no big deal, but I'll try to be a bit more careful from now on. When you are criticising someone's religion and guru it can be rude and even hurtful sometimes.
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You and a a handful of others...It's no big deal, but I'll try to be a bit more careful from now on. When you are criticising someone's religion and guru it can be rude and even hurtful sometimes.
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But its great you know you should have more respect for others... Some people, *coughs ken* could give two dumps about respect, he doesn't want it, so he feels he doesn't have to give it...
Good to know people still find value in something like respect... Makes life better for everyone when respect is shown all around...
all this is just my humble opinion...
LBD
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QUOTE(Sir Christopher @ Feb 28 2005, 12:16 AM)
How can you morally say, if you believe in such spiritual things, even ONE person is without hope?[right][snapback]505056[/snapback][/right]
I hope this post was directed to Ken, I think it was... The arguments we get into go something like this...I say theres a hell, he tells me I am wrong... But then he tuns around and says the the word of God is the Devil... Hmm...
He has a very strange view on christianity...
how can there be a Devil without a hell? ken takes context out of scripture and uses it in the opposite way it is supposed to be used.. and everybody is born out of sin, and only through christ can we be saved.
just my humblest opinion...
QUOTE(Hailo_hellFIRE @ Feb 28 2005, 12:29 AM)
I can't believe your telling me that everything i've believed in is a lie ....of all the personal experiences i've encountered, maybe you call them lies as well?
The Lord has come to my friends and me many times in my life of desperation and despair, the lie is your opinion.
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People can tell you your wrong all day, but as long as you know whats in your heart its all good... ....of all the personal experiences i've encountered, maybe you call them lies as well?The Lord has come to my friends and me many times in my life of desperation and despair, the lie is your opinion.
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The Lord has made himself know to me as well... Thats why I always say its "proof to me"... Stellar doesn't like that terminology, because he says its not proof... But I say, God has proven himself to me, thus it is proof to me... LOL
QUOTE(Sir Christopher @ Feb 28 2005, 02:17 AM)
I think I am a bit too critical sometimes. I should respect people's beliefs perhaps a bit more.
It's no big deal, but I'll try to be a bit more careful from now on. When you are criticising someone's religion and guru it can be rude and even hurtful sometimes.
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You and a a handful of others...It's no big deal, but I'll try to be a bit more careful from now on. When you are criticising someone's religion and guru it can be rude and even hurtful sometimes.
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But its great you know you should have more respect for others... Some people, *coughs ken* could give two dumps about respect, he doesn't want it, so he feels he doesn't have to give it...
Good to know people still find value in something like respect... Makes life better for everyone when respect is shown all around...
all this is just my humble opinion...
LBD
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QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Feb 26 2005, 11:24 PM)
Will Jesus not be returning?:
NO, Not physically, Just as Jesus said:
NO, Not physically, Just as Jesus said:
Hmmm...
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 25:13
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. - Revelation 1:7
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Leviathan was so nice a Dragon the Lord Killed it. He sure did. His companions made a banquet of Him at the Last Supper (“Take, Eat, this is my Body”) [right][snapback]503719[/snapback][/right]
I believe Jesus took bread, broke it, and said "Take this and Eat, this is my body"... all this is just my humble opinion...
LBD
QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ Feb 28 2005, 09:51 AM)
QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Feb 26 2005, 11:24 PM)
Will Jesus not be returning?:
NO, Not physically, Just as Jesus said:
NO, Not physically, Just as Jesus said:
Hmmm...
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 25:13
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. - Revelation 1:7
QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Feb 26 2005, 11:24 PM)
Leviathan was so nice a Dragon the Lord Killed it. He sure did. His companions made a banquet of Him at the Last Supper (“Take, Eat, this is my Body”) [right][snapback]503719[/snapback][/right]
I believe Jesus took bread, broke it, and said "Take this and Eat, this is my body"... jesus sure did take bread and wine. "take this and eat for this is my body" "take this and drink, all of you, for this is my blood."
all this is just my humble opinion...
LBD
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Matthew 26:26-29
26. While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."
27. And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;
28. for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
29. "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."
There it is
26. While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."
27. And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;
28. for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
29. "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."
There it is
Freespyryt24,
I have a site to recommend for you: Click Here and check out the Q&A section.
Basically, this site upholds the authority of the Bible from the very first verse through logic, reason, science and faith (you need faith to believe in no God too, you know). It helped me understand greatly how God still exists even when bad things happen to good people, logically. Just check it out.
We live in a world that God created as very good. But He wanted man to follow Him willingly. This means He gave us a choice, and we chose to rebel against Him and brought sin and death into the world. This is why bad things happen to good people. We now live in a fallen world that was not God's original intention (that's yet to come). This is why Jesus Christ was sent here to die for us, so that we can still make that choice to follow Him.
People say, "But why do that? Couldn't God have made it perfect to start with?" The Bible says Christ was slain before the foundations of the world. God knew what would happen. But He wanted to show us perfect love through Jesus. By doing this, God is saying, "Despite the fact that you rebelled against me, I still love you and want you as my child." It's how we truly appreciate God, honestly and willingly.
Anyhow, I found Answers in Genesis to be a great site that answers a lot of questions like what you have.
I have a site to recommend for you: Click Here and check out the Q&A section.
Basically, this site upholds the authority of the Bible from the very first verse through logic, reason, science and faith (you need faith to believe in no God too, you know). It helped me understand greatly how God still exists even when bad things happen to good people, logically. Just check it out.
We live in a world that God created as very good. But He wanted man to follow Him willingly. This means He gave us a choice, and we chose to rebel against Him and brought sin and death into the world. This is why bad things happen to good people. We now live in a fallen world that was not God's original intention (that's yet to come). This is why Jesus Christ was sent here to die for us, so that we can still make that choice to follow Him.
People say, "But why do that? Couldn't God have made it perfect to start with?" The Bible says Christ was slain before the foundations of the world. God knew what would happen. But He wanted to show us perfect love through Jesus. By doing this, God is saying, "Despite the fact that you rebelled against me, I still love you and want you as my child." It's how we truly appreciate God, honestly and willingly.
Anyhow, I found Answers in Genesis to be a great site that answers a lot of questions like what you have.
A baby is supposed to be innocent right? Go to the World Of The Bizarre Look for the thread Baby Born Without A Face. After reading ALL the posts ask your self.....Could My God Do This?
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A baby is supposed to be innocent right? Go to the World Of The Bizarre Look for the thread Baby Born Without A Face. After reading ALL the posts ask your self.....Could My God Do This?
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A baby is innocent, and yet people reserve the right to abort them too, right?
I hope you don't think so.The problem is that man chose to live in a fallen world, and we're all sinners even when we're being created in our mother's womb. Babies are born of the flesh. The flesh is sinful by nature. We're born imperfect. It's mankind's curse that we inherited and must accept from day one. Thus genetic defects come with the territory. God's standard is that we be perfect. We violated that in the beginning, thus we now live in sinful, fleshly bodies. The only way to achieve God's standard of perfection now is to accept Christ - the only perfect human being - God in the flesh.
Babies are more innocent perhaps, but not completely according to the Bible. The one thing they probably are forgiven of is dying before they can comprehend accepting Christ. The age of conscent is what most people call it.
I don't expect you to get it. You don't have to. That's your choice. I'm just stating it FYI.
QUOTE(sithlard @ Feb 28 2005, 02:26 PM)
I don't expect you to get it. You don't have to. That's your choice. I'm just stating it FYI.
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LBD
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QUOTE(sithlard @ Feb 28 2005, 02:26 PM)
I don't expect you to get it. You don't have to. That's your choice. I'm just stating it FYI.
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Oh, he knows... lol[right][snapback]505742[/snapback][/right]
good ol zandore...
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Spoil it for me.
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....and we're all sinners even when we're being created in our mother's womb.
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It's mankind's curse that we inherited and must accept from day one.
These two sentences just a short distance apart are one of the main reasons I will not believe.QUOTE
We violated that in the beginning, thus we now live in sinful, fleshly bodies.
No Adam and Eve did. That would be saying that if you kill someone today your great-great grandchild will still be sitting in prison for it. Would that be OK for you?
I didn't expect you to get it. What I'm trying to say is that sin is genetic. It's kind of like when there are cases of alcoholism in the family, it can sometimes be attributed to family genes. We're not talking about committing acts of sin. We are sin.
Heaven is a Godly, perfect place. Only perfection is allowed there. So if you've ever lied once, thought a lustful thought, cheated, or done any other type of sin just once - you're not perfect, thus you're not up to God's standard. You never could be since you were born of the flesh. You can't honestly tell me that you've never done anything wrong in your life.
The good news is that He loved us so much that he provided a way out, despite mankind's rebellion. God says, "Hey, depsite the fact that you first hated me, I still love you and want you back." So He humbled himself into ungodly flesh and died for us. Through Christ, we can be looked at as perfect if we accept Him. We can make countless mistakes and God will still accept us because we're now looked at as perfect in His eyes because of our acceptance of Him.
Heaven is a Godly, perfect place. Only perfection is allowed there. So if you've ever lied once, thought a lustful thought, cheated, or done any other type of sin just once - you're not perfect, thus you're not up to God's standard. You never could be since you were born of the flesh. You can't honestly tell me that you've never done anything wrong in your life.
The good news is that He loved us so much that he provided a way out, despite mankind's rebellion. God says, "Hey, depsite the fact that you first hated me, I still love you and want you back." So He humbled himself into ungodly flesh and died for us. Through Christ, we can be looked at as perfect if we accept Him. We can make countless mistakes and God will still accept us because we're now looked at as perfect in His eyes because of our acceptance of Him.
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So if you've ever lied once, thought a lustful thought, cheated, or done any other type of sin just once - you're not perfect,....
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and we're all sinners even when we're being created in our mother's womb. Babies are born of the flesh. The flesh is sinful by nature.
Contradiction?QUOTE
So He humbled himself into ungodly flesh and died for us.
I think you are referring to Jesus. Look up Genesis 6:2. How many sons does God have? QUOTE
I didn't expect you to get it.
As LBD said I do get it. I was once a believer.
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I didn't expect you to get it.
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Yes, zandore is a smart guy... We may not agree on everything, but we always understand eachother...
LBD
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So if you've ever lied once, thought a lustful thought, cheated, or done any other type of sin just once - you're not perfect,....
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and we're all sinners even when we're being created in our mother's womb. Babies are born of the flesh. The flesh is sinful by nature.
Contradiction?QUOTE
So He humbled himself into ungodly flesh and died for us.
I think you are referring to Jesus. Look up Genesis 6:2. How many sons does God have? QUOTE
I didn't expect you to get it.
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I wasn't contradicting. I'm saying that you're not perfect from day one, and the sins that you've committed since then are because of it. They tell us that we could never have been perfect. Humans just are not capable. The term "Nobody's pefect" has a much more significant meaning to it than most people give it credit for.
And of course I'm referring to Jesus. Who else would I be referring to? God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit are all the same entity. It's like water. There's ice, liquid and steam form. But it's all the same substance. God humbled Himself into human flesh and became Jesus. The term Son is referring to God in a specific form. If you actually understood Christianity, then why did you seem to not get this?
QUOTE(sithlard @ Feb 28 2005, 02:58 PM)
It's like water. There's ice, liquid and steam form. But it's all the same substance. God humbled Himself into human flesh and became Jesus. The term Son is referring to God in a specific form.
I like this analogy... QUOTE(sithlard @ Feb 28 2005, 02:58 PM)
If you actually understood Christianity, then why did you seem to not get this?
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Edit: Sorry
I understand why you don't believe
I understand why you don't believe
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QUOTE(zandore @ Feb 28 2005, 02:53 PM)
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I didn't expect you to get it.
As LBD said I do get it. I was once a believer.[right][snapback]505776[/snapback][/right]
Yes, zandore is a smart guy... We may not agree on everything, but we always understand eachother...
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Yes, zandore is a smart guy... We may not agree on everything, but we always understand eachother...
I'm not saying he's not smart. It just seemed that he didn't understand that God is three entities in one. The Holy Trinity. Otherwise, why did he ask "How many sons does God have?" in response to my post? My post was pretty clear that God is Jesus, and being a former Christian he should know this concept. That's all.
Zandore, I barely know you so I wouldn't accuse you of not being smart. I just don't think you've been informed of all you need to know to establish a belief. Fair enough?
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It just seemed that he didn't understand that God is three entities in one. The Holy Trinity.
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. I do understand that aspect.QUOTE
Otherwise, why did he ask "How many sons does God have?" in response to my post?
Genesis 6:2(KJV)That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
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Zandore, I barely know you so I wouldn't accuse you of not being smart.
I never got that impression from you. QUOTE
I just don't think you've been informed of all you need to know to make a credible case that Christianity is false.
I did believe at one time so I do understand.QUOTE
Fair enough?
Fair enough! Relax OK!
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