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ABSOLUTELY NOT
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Humans could not have evolved from apes (or ape-like animals), because if they had, there would no longer be any apes around.
First of all, humans did not evolve from apes. We share a common ancestor. HOW MANY TIMES MUST I POST THIS?
Secondly, that's not how evolution works. I SINCERELY WISH that you would actually READ SOMETHING ABOUT EVOLUTION, Norman. There are plenty of extensive FAQ's online. You're only making a complete fool of yourself. Have you ever taken a science class?
Free.
The Real concept is "Thou shall do not murder." or kill another out of hatred.
You keep listing things in Scripture, 10 Commandments, God sending His Son, Not coming Himself. Maybe the Son loves us enough to show that love by taking our punishment upon Himself.
Free, Can you see what you are doing, and saying? As long as you can not get rid of God, Why do you think you have already not made the choice inside?
It is not a case of not believing in God, it is a case of being mad at Him, Knowing He could have stopped your suffering, and the suffering of others. For people do not get mad at God unless they believe in Him.
Are you going to live your life being angry at what happened Yesterday? Will it ruin all of your todays? Wasn't one of the main problems your inability to share what was going on with adults, like your teachers, the police, etc? Older relatives that showed they cared. Did you flat out tell your grandmother? you knew she cared.
There are a lot of little children that are afraid and ashamed to tell, Share with them. You have something in common with many of them, they are afraid to. You know how that shows in their reactions, what they will not speak about.
You hate Child abusers, Good, There are many out there, Aim some of that hatred towards them. Maybe you can help some other child that is not recovering from that as much as going through it daily.
We have web page ability, Start one, Many children can use the internet. many know how to search. Tell them what they need to know. Speak to the Children, For there is still an angry child inside yourself.
Ken
The Real concept is "Thou shall do not murder." or kill another out of hatred.
You keep listing things in Scripture, 10 Commandments, God sending His Son, Not coming Himself. Maybe the Son loves us enough to show that love by taking our punishment upon Himself.
Free, Can you see what you are doing, and saying? As long as you can not get rid of God, Why do you think you have already not made the choice inside?
It is not a case of not believing in God, it is a case of being mad at Him, Knowing He could have stopped your suffering, and the suffering of others. For people do not get mad at God unless they believe in Him.
Are you going to live your life being angry at what happened Yesterday? Will it ruin all of your todays? Wasn't one of the main problems your inability to share what was going on with adults, like your teachers, the police, etc? Older relatives that showed they cared. Did you flat out tell your grandmother? you knew she cared.
There are a lot of little children that are afraid and ashamed to tell, Share with them. You have something in common with many of them, they are afraid to. You know how that shows in their reactions, what they will not speak about.
You hate Child abusers, Good, There are many out there, Aim some of that hatred towards them. Maybe you can help some other child that is not recovering from that as much as going through it daily.
We have web page ability, Start one, Many children can use the internet. many know how to search. Tell them what they need to know. Speak to the Children, For there is still an angry child inside yourself.
Ken
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Humans could not have evolved from apes (or ape-like animals), because if they had, there would no longer be any apes around.
First of all, humans did not evolve from apes. We share a common ancestor. HOW MANY TIMES MUST I POST THIS?
Secondly, that's not how evolution works. I SINCERELY WISH that you would actually READ SOMETHING ABOUT EVOLUTION, Norman. There are plenty of extensive FAQ's online. You're only making a complete fool of yourself. Have you ever taken a science class?
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Evolution is only a theory... no facts!
For the love of sanity!!
Do you not know what a scientific theory is? HAVE ANY OF YOU attended school? Taken a science class? Why do you want to ignore reality?
I'm not going to argue with you because it would be fruitless. You have chosen to ignore reality and seem to believe that disproving evolution would somehow prove your religious beliefs. Go read a book and come back once you have.
Do you not know what a scientific theory is? HAVE ANY OF YOU attended school? Taken a science class? Why do you want to ignore reality?
I'm not going to argue with you because it would be fruitless. You have chosen to ignore reality and seem to believe that disproving evolution would somehow prove your religious beliefs. Go read a book and come back once you have.
Yes.. been there ... seen it... wrote the whole damn paper on it.....
and yes in school.... but still there are NO facts on the "THEORY" of evolution.
and yes in school.... but still there are NO facts on the "THEORY" of evolution.
Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts.
Evolution could not exist as a theory without facts. There are facts and data to support it. If you don't think so, then I suppose you must've failed that paper you claim you wrote.
If you want to argue for Creationism, go to aquatus' thread and put your money where your mouth is. This isn't the place. I was merely pointing out to Norman the inconsistencies in his statements.
Evolution could not exist as a theory without facts. There are facts and data to support it. If you don't think so, then I suppose you must've failed that paper you claim you wrote.
If you want to argue for Creationism, go to aquatus' thread and put your money where your mouth is. This isn't the place. I was merely pointing out to Norman the inconsistencies in his statements.
Don't want to argue for anything... just letting it be known... that evolution is based on theory ... not facts...
Taken from this evolution website
Even this statement states it is actually based on a THEORY!... Based on science.. yes... but nothing factual about the theory of evolution!
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Before you end this activity I want you to remember evolution is based on theory. This theory was developed along time ago through the observations of many people. But the most notable are Lamarck and Darwin. They are the ones who made a significant impact and showed that evolution may be true. Even though you may not want to agree with the theory of evolution, you must remember that it is based on scientific evidence. It is strongly supported by scientific evidence such as fossils and the geological time scale. It is not based on anyone's belief or thoughts, it is based on science.
Taken from this evolution website
Even this statement states it is actually based on a THEORY!... Based on science.. yes... but nothing factual about the theory of evolution!
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remember evolution is based on theory. This theory was developed along time ago through the observations of many people.
Yes, evolution is based on scientific theory. This theory was developed from the observations and data of people. Thus, it is a theory based on fact.
Even if, to go along with your idea, Darwin and the original supporters of evolution had come up with the theory and had no data, it wouldn't matter because it is now supported by data. It is now - years later - a scientific theory because it is based on facts. Data. Hardcore observations.
If you want to argue about the actual facts it is based on, that's something else entirely. But if we're arguing what it's based on...perhaps Darwin didn't base his theory on any credible facts. I'm not certain. But the current theory of evolution (which is different from his, by the way) is based upon various facts and observations.
So no, current evolutionary theory is not based on theory. A theory cannot be based on a theory. The idea behind the theory may have originally been proposed by someone without factual evidence, but factual evidence has been discovered and the theory has been adjusted accordingly.
But anyway, I really don't wanna go off topic. I've been doing that a lot lately and I don't wanna get in trouble.
LOL.. okay...
You are free to believe what you want.... and good you are so passionate about your beliefs.
But I will stick with creationism... for that is what I believe.
You are free to believe what you want.... and good you are so passionate about your beliefs.
But I will stick with creationism... for that is what I believe.
and the pendulum swings far to the left now!
No scientist knows for sure....it's just educated guesses.
Why even I can make one-----Let's see....Aliens came and cloned us, we are remenants from a world forgotten.
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Humans could not have evolved from apes (or ape-like animals), because if they had, there would no longer be any apes around. Teaching evolution is responsible for immorality, because evolution teaches that people are just animals. Because if we ARE animals than it is natural to behave like an animal.
Why do I always go around dealing with such stupidity?
I'll make it simple. So simple it'll be erroneous, but hopefully you'll understand. Lets say theres no humans around. Lets say the Bonobo is going to evolve into a human. Lets say ALL the Bonobo evolve into humans. No more Bonobo, but you still have other species of ape.
Oh and BTW, its not evolution that terms humans as animals, its all of biological science.
Animals are a major group of organisms, classified as the kingdom Animalia. These are generally multicellular, capable of locomotion and responding to their environment, and feed by consuming other organisms. Their body plan becomes fixed as they develop, usually early on in their development as embryos, unless they undergo a process of metamorphosis. Humans are animals, though colloquially the term is often taken to exclude them. The word comes from the Latin word animalis (plural animalia) and ultimately from anima, meaning vital breath, soul.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal
Oh and last I checked on the news, I didnt see animals killing each other for political or religious beliefs. They kill for food. So do humans, but humans also kill for many more reasons. You'd only WISH we'd behave like animals, because animals arent as murderous as humans.
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Evolution is only a theory... no facts!
Actually, it has plenty of facts. Facts are needed to make evolution a theory. As a whole though, evolution is not a law, it is a theory. Its still based on evidence though, something religion is not.
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but still there are NO facts on the "THEORY" of evolution.
No facts on the theory of evolution? You have no idea what constitutes a theory!
I suppose the theory of gravity is baseless also?
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Don't want to argue for anything... just letting it be known... that evolution is based on theory ... not facts...
Nope, evolution is not based on theory, its based on evidence. Evolution is not based on theory, it IS a theory.
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Even this statement states it is actually based on a THEORY!... Based on science.. yes... but nothing factual about the theory of evolution!
Thats a personal site hosted by the university, and what he means is it is based on a hypothesis, as is every theory. Every theory starts out as a hypothesis, which is tested, and if it becomes a theory.
And nothing factual about the theory of evolution? Do you deny natural selection?
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Even if, to go along with your idea, Darwin and the original supporters of evolution had come up with the theory and had no data, it wouldn't matter because it is now supported by data. It is now - years later - a scientific theory because it is based on facts. Data. Hardcore observations.
At the time of Darwin, it was a hypothesis until he managed to support it with evidence, and it fit the rest of the definition of a theory, thats when it became a theory.
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No scientist knows for sure....it's just educated guesses.
No... an educated guess is a hypothesis. A theory is beyond a hypothesis.
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Why even I can make one-----Let's see....Aliens came and cloned us, we are remenants from a world forgotten.
Thats not a scientific theory, its a belief.
Animals just kill for food? Never had a cat, did you?
Many animals kill for territory, Many for dominant male, Some for Dominant female. Some just like to kill.
Ever see the Bumper sticker with the 3 bears, Daddy, Momma, and Baby Bear? I think who designed it was smoking pot. A Male will kill a young bear. The Female will not allow an adult Male near them.
If you increased the intelligence of animals, So would their rate of killing go up. For then would be able to come up with more reasons to kill. Better cave, Less mouths feeding in the area. They would come up with a lot of reasons to kill other animals, and others of the same Species.
And as the Animals overcrowd, They become more violent, More fighting.
Ken
Many animals kill for territory, Many for dominant male, Some for Dominant female. Some just like to kill.
Ever see the Bumper sticker with the 3 bears, Daddy, Momma, and Baby Bear? I think who designed it was smoking pot. A Male will kill a young bear. The Female will not allow an adult Male near them.
If you increased the intelligence of animals, So would their rate of killing go up. For then would be able to come up with more reasons to kill. Better cave, Less mouths feeding in the area. They would come up with a lot of reasons to kill other animals, and others of the same Species.
And as the Animals overcrowd, They become more violent, More fighting.
Ken
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Animals just kill for food? Never had a cat, did you?
The cat also plays with food other than mice... eventually they eat it though.
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Many animals kill for territory,
Not necessairly to the death, but they dont go hunting down the other if the other runs away.
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Many for dominant male, Some for Dominant female.¸
Again, do you see one hunting the other cuz he looked at the female?
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Right. Even if that were true, they're killing for less reasons than humans.
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I hope Free reads the poems and finds some peace and hope in them.
Well said Sir Christopher!
Well said Sir Christopher!
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No thanks needed for telling the truth.
I'll say it once and I will say it again, Thank you again Chris. The poems are very nice and touching. I really appreciate it.
I did alot of thinking last night, mostly about my beloved grandmother. I miss her so much. As I was outside smoking my cigarette, I just looked up at the clear sky and 'talked to her'. I hate the fact that I don't know if she is listening, becasue I can't hear her. I told her that I was sorry that It was really hard for me to believe in what she did. But I know she loves me regardless with what ever I believe in or not. I remember saying before, with all of my great karma points, I better get in the pearly gates. (If they really do exist) I am 9Xof10 nice to everyone. Just like my grandma was. She could talk to anyone, and didn't hate anyone. (even though she dispized her next door neighbor. and I agree with my grandmother, that lady was a witch!) But she always gave the benefit of a doubt, and gave people a second chance. Even 3rds and 4th chances. She was really the best woman anyone could have ever met. I am glad that I got to have her in my life, I just wish I knew that I didn't have that much time with her. I would have spent so much more time with her. The other night, I had some really weird news and usually she would be the second person I called after my mom, and as I skimmed threw my phonebook and coming up to her #. I froze, I realized what I was about to do. Call my grandparents house and her not being there. I thought the reality of her death had set in, but in ways I don't think I have really accepted that she 'went home' (as my grandfather would say.) I also went to go visit with my grandfather to make sure that he ate his supper and I found myself looking out the window waiting for her to pull up. Then realized again, she would never pull up into her driveway again. Then when I daydream of her face, her smile, and her doelike eyes. My mind then flashes to how unreal she looked in her casket. I wish that death wasn't so hard on the living. But it is. Regardless, If we go to a 'better place' when we die, I want to be selffish and have her here again, casue she made this place better.
Sorry if I am continuing to babble. I jsut had to get that out to ease my mind and comfort my heart a bit.
Sorry if I am continuing to babble. I jsut had to get that out to ease my mind and comfort my heart a bit.
Free she heard you. She is still in your heart and soul right? Then there was no way she could not of heard you! On your road through life, In the dark spaces between the street lights (the low times in your life) just think of her and the light will shine a little brighter
Free---- there has been too many accounts of Ghosts and they can hear and see us.
Those that go into the light can only look and hear when someone has called them, they just can't respond. So she heard you.
Unless of course you're the Witch of Endor that called Samuel out of his grave
"Now there dear" "Everything will get better"
I'm going to level with you all and go ahead and tell yall that I didn't read anything but the first page (theres alot written), so I'm sorry if I repeat something already said, forgive me. Now, onto what I wanted to say.
First off, I saw mention that dinosoars arn't mentioned in the bible, this is untrue (I Think, correct me if I'm wrong). They are refered to as 'bohemoths', it goes on talking about their theighs and some stuff like that, sorry, i can't remember where at in the bible, if yall really want me to, ask, and I'll find it.
Secondly, forget walking on water, forget turning water into wine, dividing seas and all of that, those arn't miracles, those were just divine "magic tricks" (for lack of a better word). What the true miracle is, is that through all your hardships, you're alive. You made it. In the face of things that would, without a single doubt, crush me into little more than dust. I couldn't begin to stand against the things you did, you're an amazing person. God doesn't just reach in his pocket and pull out his hand and start sprinkling miracles everywhere, he gave humanity the power to do that. What good is free will if he coddles us? You proved miracles exist by still being able to breathe after the hardships you've endured. God odviously had no limits in mind when he decided to make you.
Third, to many things are blamed on God for what evil men did themselves. People want to blame God for the guy that kills someone, everyone wants to blame God for the hunger that has stricken people all over the world, everyone wants to blame God, but then forgets that there is also a darker entity working opposite him, against him, against us. God doesn't want to make your life shitty. We don't blame God for creating free will, so why blame him for everything else? What's the point in free will if there isn't that chance we're going to use it against one-another? There isn't a point, because it wouldn't be free will. Sure, the things that happened to you, I'm sure hurt you, but they odviously didn't break you and THAT is a miracle, a great miracle, all it's own. It's also the same free will that you were given that let you do that, that let people do those things to you. If you didn't have free will, lifes hardships would have surely broke you, but you resisted, again, you are a remarkable person, far stronger than I could ever be. Bless you, whether you believe in God or not.
Fourth, we all get saddened when we lose a loved one, I lost my grandmother to, who also was a great person, a great Christian. And, of course I cried and felt horrible, but, now that I'm older, I look around and I think how lucky she is to not be around to see the decrepid state the world is in. She's with a God who is above all of that, she is in a far better place than I. We look to the skies and cry, feeling bad for the loved ones we missed, but I believe their looking right back at us, feeling sorry for us, because we're still here.
First off, I saw mention that dinosoars arn't mentioned in the bible, this is untrue (I Think, correct me if I'm wrong). They are refered to as 'bohemoths', it goes on talking about their theighs and some stuff like that, sorry, i can't remember where at in the bible, if yall really want me to, ask, and I'll find it.
Secondly, forget walking on water, forget turning water into wine, dividing seas and all of that, those arn't miracles, those were just divine "magic tricks" (for lack of a better word). What the true miracle is, is that through all your hardships, you're alive. You made it. In the face of things that would, without a single doubt, crush me into little more than dust. I couldn't begin to stand against the things you did, you're an amazing person. God doesn't just reach in his pocket and pull out his hand and start sprinkling miracles everywhere, he gave humanity the power to do that. What good is free will if he coddles us? You proved miracles exist by still being able to breathe after the hardships you've endured. God odviously had no limits in mind when he decided to make you.
Third, to many things are blamed on God for what evil men did themselves. People want to blame God for the guy that kills someone, everyone wants to blame God for the hunger that has stricken people all over the world, everyone wants to blame God, but then forgets that there is also a darker entity working opposite him, against him, against us. God doesn't want to make your life shitty. We don't blame God for creating free will, so why blame him for everything else? What's the point in free will if there isn't that chance we're going to use it against one-another? There isn't a point, because it wouldn't be free will. Sure, the things that happened to you, I'm sure hurt you, but they odviously didn't break you and THAT is a miracle, a great miracle, all it's own. It's also the same free will that you were given that let you do that, that let people do those things to you. If you didn't have free will, lifes hardships would have surely broke you, but you resisted, again, you are a remarkable person, far stronger than I could ever be. Bless you, whether you believe in God or not.
Fourth, we all get saddened when we lose a loved one, I lost my grandmother to, who also was a great person, a great Christian. And, of course I cried and felt horrible, but, now that I'm older, I look around and I think how lucky she is to not be around to see the decrepid state the world is in. She's with a God who is above all of that, she is in a far better place than I. We look to the skies and cry, feeling bad for the loved ones we missed, but I believe their looking right back at us, feeling sorry for us, because we're still here.
There is no god dont go waste your whole life believing on a false figure.
Dont even get me started on the church...anyone remember the crusades or how many people the church has killed...also the church is a business...
anyone who believes in god is a weak minded fool to be honest.
Believe in yourself because you are the only one who can save yourself when someone has a gun to your head.
Dont even get me started on the church...anyone remember the crusades or how many people the church has killed...also the church is a business...
anyone who believes in god is a weak minded fool to be honest.
Believe in yourself because you are the only one who can save yourself when someone has a gun to your head.
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There is no god dont go waste your whole life believing on a false figure.
Dont even get me started on the church...anyone remember the crusades or how many people the church has killed...also the church is a business...
anyone who believes in god is a weak minded fool to be honest.
Believe in yourself because you are the only one who can save yourself when someone has a gun to your head.
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Dont even get me started on the church...anyone remember the crusades or how many people the church has killed...also the church is a business...
anyone who believes in god is a weak minded fool to be honest.
Believe in yourself because you are the only one who can save yourself when someone has a gun to your head.
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Hey hey.....I agree about the No God thing......but don't diss people because they
chose to believe. Diss them only if they try to push their beliefs on you.
Believe want you want.....just keep it to yourself unless someone asks.
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QUOTE(IamUnexplained @ Jan 13 2005, 03:26 PM)
There is no god dont go waste your whole life believing on a false figure.
Dont even get me started on the church...anyone remember the crusades or how many people the church has killed...also the church is a business...
anyone who believes in god is a weak minded fool to be honest.
Believe in yourself because you are the only one who can save yourself when someone has a gun to your head.
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Dont even get me started on the church...anyone remember the crusades or how many people the church has killed...also the church is a business...
anyone who believes in god is a weak minded fool to be honest.
Believe in yourself because you are the only one who can save yourself when someone has a gun to your head.
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Hey hey.....I agree about the No God thing......but don't diss people because they
chose to believe. Diss them only if they try to push their beliefs on you.
Believe want you want.....just keep it to yourself unless someone asks.
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Yes I thoroughly agree....
Forcing your beliefs on others isn't what is needed right now. Some people don't want to see some flaming or another useless controversy
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Behemoth is in Job 40:15.
And He is not a Dinosaur:
(JOB 40:15) Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth
grass as an ox. (KJV)
(JOB 40:16) Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is
in the navel of his belly. (KJV)
(JOB 40:17) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his
stones are wrapped together. (KJV)
(JOB 40:18) His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are
like bars of iron. (KJV)
(JOB 40:19) He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him
can make his sword to approach unto him. (KJV)
(JOB 40:20) Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all
the beasts of the field play. (KJV)
(JOB 40:21) He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the
reed, and fens. (KJV)
(JOB 40:22) The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the
willows of the brook compass him about. (KJV)
(JOB 40:23) Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he
trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. (KJV)
DRAW UP JORDAN? How About Swallow up DEATH in Victory, Now who would HE BE?
(ISAIAH 25:8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God
will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his
people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath
spoken it. (KJV)
Death means very little to a Christian, Us weak minded people just see they got Home before we did. We do not have to wonder if we will ever see our loved ones again, We plan on it. This world spins pretty fast, Soon enought we will all be with God that are alive now, Even the unbelievers. Or should I say the STRONG MINDED people?
Your saved by grace the same way a believer is, Like it or not, You get to go to heaven with the Righteousness of Christ on you also. But watch out for the Gates in Heaven, They are very powerful. The power is called ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT.
And YOU can plan on that. The Pearly gates is the 144 with Judas seen as a wall in Revelaiton 21:17. 12 gates, 12 angels at each gate, or the 144. Every several gate is one pearl, or three tribes to one camp. Part of God's law how the Ark (Jesus the day of the cross) was to move.
God likened the Gate of Heaven to brass, and Jesus not only opened it, He broke it down, He openeth and no man shutteth.
(PSALMS 107:16) For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the
bars of iron in sunder. (KJV)
Cutting the Bars of Iron is ending hell on the third day, NOW Guess who you run into at Heaven's gate. Those out of hell. They would like to have a few words with those who do not like God too much. They have quite a story to tell. And it is not like you have anywhere else to go, All go to heaven.
(PSALMS 127:4) As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are
children of the youth. (KJV)
(PSALMS 127:5) Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them:
they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in
the gate. (KJV)
They are sent forth as Arrows, as Children, As hell ended on the third day, and they will be speaking to a lot of you. THEY ARE WAITING FOR YOU.
MIGHTY MAN? and a Lot of MIGHTY MEN as Arrows.
(JEREMIAH 5:15) Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O
house of Israel, saith the Lord: it is a mighty nation, it is an
ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither
understandest what they say. (KJV)
(JEREMIAH 5:16) Their quiver is as an open sepulchre, they are all
mighty men. (KJV)
All the Parables are for the Day of the cross. And into hell Jesus went to RECEIVE A KINGDOM, and He got them all out.
(LUKE 19:12) He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far
country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. (KJV)
So when you meet those at heaven's gate, Tell they there is no God, they will get a kick out of it. Then tell yourself, There is no God.
Ken
And He is not a Dinosaur:
(JOB 40:15) Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth
grass as an ox. (KJV)
(JOB 40:16) Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is
in the navel of his belly. (KJV)
(JOB 40:17) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his
stones are wrapped together. (KJV)
(JOB 40:18) His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are
like bars of iron. (KJV)
(JOB 40:19) He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him
can make his sword to approach unto him. (KJV)
(JOB 40:20) Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all
the beasts of the field play. (KJV)
(JOB 40:21) He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the
reed, and fens. (KJV)
(JOB 40:22) The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the
willows of the brook compass him about. (KJV)
(JOB 40:23) Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he
trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. (KJV)
DRAW UP JORDAN? How About Swallow up DEATH in Victory, Now who would HE BE?
(ISAIAH 25:8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God
will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his
people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath
spoken it. (KJV)
Death means very little to a Christian, Us weak minded people just see they got Home before we did. We do not have to wonder if we will ever see our loved ones again, We plan on it. This world spins pretty fast, Soon enought we will all be with God that are alive now, Even the unbelievers. Or should I say the STRONG MINDED people?
Your saved by grace the same way a believer is, Like it or not, You get to go to heaven with the Righteousness of Christ on you also. But watch out for the Gates in Heaven, They are very powerful. The power is called ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT.
And YOU can plan on that. The Pearly gates is the 144 with Judas seen as a wall in Revelaiton 21:17. 12 gates, 12 angels at each gate, or the 144. Every several gate is one pearl, or three tribes to one camp. Part of God's law how the Ark (Jesus the day of the cross) was to move.
God likened the Gate of Heaven to brass, and Jesus not only opened it, He broke it down, He openeth and no man shutteth.
(PSALMS 107:16) For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the
bars of iron in sunder. (KJV)
Cutting the Bars of Iron is ending hell on the third day, NOW Guess who you run into at Heaven's gate. Those out of hell. They would like to have a few words with those who do not like God too much. They have quite a story to tell. And it is not like you have anywhere else to go, All go to heaven.
(PSALMS 127:4) As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are
children of the youth. (KJV)
(PSALMS 127:5) Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them:
they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in
the gate. (KJV)
They are sent forth as Arrows, as Children, As hell ended on the third day, and they will be speaking to a lot of you. THEY ARE WAITING FOR YOU.
MIGHTY MAN? and a Lot of MIGHTY MEN as Arrows.
(JEREMIAH 5:15) Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O
house of Israel, saith the Lord: it is a mighty nation, it is an
ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither
understandest what they say. (KJV)
(JEREMIAH 5:16) Their quiver is as an open sepulchre, they are all
mighty men. (KJV)
All the Parables are for the Day of the cross. And into hell Jesus went to RECEIVE A KINGDOM, and He got them all out.
(LUKE 19:12) He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far
country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. (KJV)
So when you meet those at heaven's gate, Tell they there is no God, they will get a kick out of it. Then tell yourself, There is no God.
Ken
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QUOTE(IamUnexplained @ Jan 13 2005, 03:26 PM)
There is no god dont go waste your whole life believing on a false figure.
Dont even get me started on the church...anyone remember the crusades or how many people the church has killed...also the church is a business...
anyone who believes in god is a weak minded fool to be honest.
Believe in yourself because you are the only one who can save yourself when someone has a gun to your head.
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Dont even get me started on the church...anyone remember the crusades or how many people the church has killed...also the church is a business...
anyone who believes in god is a weak minded fool to be honest.
Believe in yourself because you are the only one who can save yourself when someone has a gun to your head.
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Hey hey.....I agree about the No God thing......but don't diss people because they
chose to believe. Diss them only if they try to push their beliefs on you.
Believe want you want.....just keep it to yourself unless someone asks.
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Yes I thoroughly agree....
Forcing your beliefs on others isn't what is needed right now. Some people don't want to see some flaming or another useless controversy
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To force your ideas on others is the same thing as someone trying to force religion on you when you don't want it. Respect and honor other beliefs and opinions as you would have them do to you.
QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Jan 14 2005, 05:20 AM)
Behemoth is in Job 40:15.
And He is not a Dinosaur:
(JOB 40:15) Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth
grass as an ox. (KJV)
(JOB 40:16) Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is
in the navel of his belly. (KJV)
(JOB 40:17) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his
stones are wrapped together. (KJV)
(JOB 40:18) His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are
like bars of iron. (KJV)
(JOB 40:19) He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him
can make his sword to approach unto him. (KJV)
(JOB 40:20) Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all
the beasts of the field play. (KJV)
(JOB 40:21) He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the
reed, and fens. (KJV)
(JOB 40:22) The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the
willows of the brook compass him about. (KJV)
(JOB 40:23) Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he
trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. (KJV)
DRAW UP JORDAN? How About Swallow up DEATH in Victory, Now who would HE BE?
(ISAIAH 25:8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God
will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his
people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath
spoken it. (KJV)
Death means very little to a Christian, Us weak minded people just see they got Home before we did. We do not have to wonder if we will ever see our loved ones again, We plan on it. This world spins pretty fast, Soon enought we will all be with God that are alive now, Even the unbelievers. Or should I say the STRONG MINDED people?
Your saved by grace the same way a believer is, Like it or not, You get to go to heaven with the Righteousness of Christ on you also. But watch out for the Gates in Heaven, They are very powerful. The power is called ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT.
And YOU can plan on that. The Pearly gates is the 144 with Judas seen as a wall in Revelaiton 21:17. 12 gates, 12 angels at each gate, or the 144. Every several gate is one pearl, or three tribes to one camp. Part of God's law how the Ark (Jesus the day of the cross) was to move.
God likened the Gate of Heaven to brass, and Jesus not only opened it, He broke it down, He openeth and no man shutteth.
(PSALMS 107:16) For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the
bars of iron in sunder. (KJV)
Cutting the Bars of Iron is ending hell on the third day, NOW Guess who you run into at Heaven's gate. Those out of hell. They would like to have a few words with those who do not like God too much. They have quite a story to tell. And it is not like you have anywhere else to go, All go to heaven.
(PSALMS 127:4) As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are
children of the youth. (KJV)
(PSALMS 127:5) Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them:
they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in
the gate. (KJV)
They are sent forth as Arrows, as Children, As hell ended on the third day, and they will be speaking to a lot of you. THEY ARE WAITING FOR YOU.
MIGHTY MAN? and a Lot of MIGHTY MEN as Arrows.
(JEREMIAH 5:15) Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O
house of Israel, saith the Lord: it is a mighty nation, it is an
ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither
understandest what they say. (KJV)
(JEREMIAH 5:16) Their quiver is as an open sepulchre, they are all
mighty men. (KJV)
All the Parables are for the Day of the cross. And into hell Jesus went to RECEIVE A KINGDOM, and He got them all out.
(LUKE 19:12) He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far
country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. (KJV)
So when you meet those at heaven's gate, Tell they there is no God, they will get a kick out of it. Then tell yourself, There is no God.
Ken
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And He is not a Dinosaur:
(JOB 40:15) Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth
grass as an ox. (KJV)
(JOB 40:16) Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is
in the navel of his belly. (KJV)
(JOB 40:17) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his
stones are wrapped together. (KJV)
(JOB 40:18) His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are
like bars of iron. (KJV)
(JOB 40:19) He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him
can make his sword to approach unto him. (KJV)
(JOB 40:20) Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all
the beasts of the field play. (KJV)
(JOB 40:21) He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the
reed, and fens. (KJV)
(JOB 40:22) The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the
willows of the brook compass him about. (KJV)
(JOB 40:23) Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he
trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. (KJV)
DRAW UP JORDAN? How About Swallow up DEATH in Victory, Now who would HE BE?
(ISAIAH 25:8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God
will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his
people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath
spoken it. (KJV)
Death means very little to a Christian, Us weak minded people just see they got Home before we did. We do not have to wonder if we will ever see our loved ones again, We plan on it. This world spins pretty fast, Soon enought we will all be with God that are alive now, Even the unbelievers. Or should I say the STRONG MINDED people?
Your saved by grace the same way a believer is, Like it or not, You get to go to heaven with the Righteousness of Christ on you also. But watch out for the Gates in Heaven, They are very powerful. The power is called ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT.
And YOU can plan on that. The Pearly gates is the 144 with Judas seen as a wall in Revelaiton 21:17. 12 gates, 12 angels at each gate, or the 144. Every several gate is one pearl, or three tribes to one camp. Part of God's law how the Ark (Jesus the day of the cross) was to move.
God likened the Gate of Heaven to brass, and Jesus not only opened it, He broke it down, He openeth and no man shutteth.
(PSALMS 107:16) For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the
bars of iron in sunder. (KJV)
Cutting the Bars of Iron is ending hell on the third day, NOW Guess who you run into at Heaven's gate. Those out of hell. They would like to have a few words with those who do not like God too much. They have quite a story to tell. And it is not like you have anywhere else to go, All go to heaven.
(PSALMS 127:4) As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are
children of the youth. (KJV)
(PSALMS 127:5) Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them:
they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in
the gate. (KJV)
They are sent forth as Arrows, as Children, As hell ended on the third day, and they will be speaking to a lot of you. THEY ARE WAITING FOR YOU.
MIGHTY MAN? and a Lot of MIGHTY MEN as Arrows.
(JEREMIAH 5:15) Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O
house of Israel, saith the Lord: it is a mighty nation, it is an
ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither
understandest what they say. (KJV)
(JEREMIAH 5:16) Their quiver is as an open sepulchre, they are all
mighty men. (KJV)
All the Parables are for the Day of the cross. And into hell Jesus went to RECEIVE A KINGDOM, and He got them all out.
(LUKE 19:12) He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far
country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. (KJV)
So when you meet those at heaven's gate, Tell they there is no God, they will get a kick out of it. Then tell yourself, There is no God.
Ken
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I not liketh your attitude........it stinketh.........another one forcing his beliefs........pulling out his sword and slaying with words
Can human kill one another,start war with every country.
If there is no "God",or karma,reincarnation.Killing everyone as u like should be ok right.
Those none believe in "God", karma,reincarnation. pls answer me.
Mad Manfred can answer me too.I just love to here from u alll
If a person who don't believe in "God" and believe that when u die,u are gone."Nothing".Then u can do whatever things u like.Good or evil with ur power .Because u will no be punished by "God".
If there is no "God",or karma,reincarnation.Killing everyone as u like should be ok right.
Those none believe in "God", karma,reincarnation. pls answer me.
Mad Manfred can answer me too.I just love to here from u alll
If a person who don't believe in "God" and believe that when u die,u are gone."Nothing".Then u can do whatever things u like.Good or evil with ur power .Because u will no be punished by "God".
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Then u can do whatever things u like.Good or evil with ur power .Because u will no be punished by "God
and we do not do these things because we know it is wrong unlike you religious people. You are not doing evil stuff because god forbids it. And we non-believers know from ourselves that it is wrong.
we are more good then all of you
that could be a fact
Believeing in God has nothing to do with "being GOOD".....
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Believeing in God has nothing to do with "being GOOD".....
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haha why do i hear all religious people saying that killing is bad because god said so?
god's will is your wish is it not?
u can say whatever u like that u people always do good rather then religious people.How can u proofs that u people do good and religious people are bad.
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How can u proofs that u people do good and religious people are bad
we can look at history
so u encourage having wars,killing people right.
QUOTE(Transform @ Jan 14 2005, 06:18 PM)
so u encourage having wars,killing people right.
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???? right. more people have killed for religion then for atheism.....
Bring the proofs
Link them.
Link them.
QUOTE(Transform @ Jan 14 2005, 06:21 PM)
Bring the proofs
Link them.
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Link them.
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i did that a few pages back actually
How about bring the 911.
But if u bring the 911.These people doing these is also never get punished by"God" so the can keep on doing as they wish too.They are the hero am i right.
But if u bring the 911.These people doing these is also never get punished by"God" so the can keep on doing as they wish too.They are the hero am i right.
QUOTE(Transform @ Jan 14 2005, 06:24 PM)
How about bring the 911.
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that is probably the best example
Do u know that most of the religious people against 911.Because they don't believe that "God" teaches them to do these bad things to the world.So most of the religious people are good as their "god" teaches them,that there is such things as "God" punishments.
So believe in "God" ok 
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Bring the proofs
Let's start with the destruction of whole cities of people, on God's orders, by the Israelites, then let's go to the Crusades, the Inquistion, the Witch trials and burnings, the theft of North and South America by the Xians, the attempt at genocide against the Native Americans by the Xians, the enslavement of the Africans by Xians to sell to other Xians to work the cotton fields of the "Old South", The theft of the lands and liberties of the Native Africans by Xians and Muslims, the Ethnic cleansing going on in Serbia as we write, the Israeli surpression of the Palestinian people, the Islamic jihad against all western ideas, 9/11 and on and on and on. If non-believers are so bad, why have you only got Communism (which is really a religion in the way it was approched) as an example of Atheistic evil? Religion is the worse thing that man ever invented, only now are we getting enough knowledge to rid ourselves of this onus.
Those who really understand of "God" will never create bad named for "God".It's because they make used of religions to missused of "God" will.If a good school have a bad student in it.People will thinks that the school is bad.This is what human beings mistake.Just like "God" named being missused by people.
Just because I don't believe in God, DOES NOT make me not believe in Karma and reincarnation. These two things doesn't have anything to do with religion. I do good things all the time, I have like a million gazillion Karma points. And I do believe in reincarnation, I believe in Ghosts. I believe in ghosts because I have seen them and senced them and heard them. However, I have NOT seen, senced or heard God. Hmm.
QUOTE(beowulf @ Jan 14 2005, 08:37 AM)
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Bring the proofs
Let's start with the destruction of whole cities of people, on God's orders, by the Israelites, then let's go to the Crusades, the Inquistion, the Witch trials and burnings, the theft of North and South America by the Xians, the attempt at genocide against the Native Americans by the Xians, the enslavement of the Africans by Xians to sell to other Xians to work the cotton fields of the "Old South", The theft of the lands and liberties of the Native Africans by Xians and Muslims, the Ethnic cleansing going on in Serbia as we write, the Israeli surpression of the Palestinian people, the Islamic jihad against all western ideas, 9/11 and on and on and on. If non-believers are so bad, why have you only got Communism (which is really a religion in the way it was approched) as an example of Atheistic evil? Religion is the worse thing that man ever invented, only now are we getting enough knowledge to rid ourselves of this onus.
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Excellent! and ifyou really look at it.....Christ was a communist! One leader world.
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