Then why would a "good" God have a she bear kill and eat 40 young boys because they laughed at a bald headed man? Sounds to me like your God is a homocidal demon! No wonder his followers have no qualms about killing!

you can still be a good and moral person without believing in god. Just because you dont believe in god doesnt mean that you instantly become a servant of the devil and go insane and kill everyone in sight....what do you people learn in school geez....

It's not what they learn in school, it's what they learn in church! Too bad they never think to test that knowledge. If they did, they would realize the bill of goods that had been sold to them!

It was Africans enslaving Africans then selling some of them to "Work in the fields of the Old South". But hopefully you got your point across to him.

I think the school who taught you to write is bad.

Which school was the bad skool?

Sounds alot like my life as well. What have I learned? Well my experiences drove me away from God. Theres to much senseless pain in suffering in this world for it to be of a good god.

Novo: Same for me, my past drove me away from God. I wish that I could believe but too much pain. Since I haven't my life seems alot better. Go figure. (knock on wood) yes I am very superstitious, except for the #13 and black cats. That is just silly.

If there is karma but no "God" to deal with these karma.Then Evil people will never get any punishments.


If u die one day,what u expect ur body to be treated.Will u wanna ur body to have a nice place to rest in a graveyard ,cremetion and then put in the urn.And worship by family members and friends.Religious people always did.

But if u die and believe that nothings is left,then "don't waste the meats" u can ask ur family members to chop them into pieces and feed the wild animals.Like tigers,lions,snakes,crocodiles etc.These animals need meats and bones to survive for food.

There is a believe that if a person is dead.If never treated that person body properly and giving prayers by priest.their souls will never rest in peace.

But if i have friends who don'tbelieve in "God".I still ask priests,priestess,monks to give them prayers to lead them to the right path.

So that they can rest in peace I just love peace

Ever heard of donating your body to science? What about, after you die, letting your organs be taken and transplanted into those who need it? Its better and more noble use than giving it to the animals.

Yup for transplant to other is good as to save their life and my country people always do these.But sometime these parts of the body can't be used to these patience ,so can feed those wild animals.

Donate it to science then. They can find a use for it.

stellar i still remember that u say that when we worship the person is for love ,memory.etc.The best way i think is to take a photo of that decease and put it in the wallet can see him/her kiss everyday.And save the land space.

Some to science and some to wild animals as to balance their needs

I never said worship. I said respect.



Not everyone sees it that way thought.

Beowulf,

Cute, Christians stole North and South America.

I like people who have deep convictions. You are Full blooded Native American, Are you not? For with such beliefs, I am sure you would have left their land? And Deep in the Heart of Texas, I think that would be Apache.

I wonder how many Native Americans (Indians come from Calcutta) are now alive because we stopped the way they lived? Killing each other, taking slaves of each other. There were a few peaceful tribes, but not many.

What is their percentage of children that die before they are 5 years old compared to before we wicked people came here?

The Native Americans love their way of life so much, they will not move out of the tee-pees. Will walk where ever they want to go. Still beat their squaws with sticks. (we brought the horses)

Now for 42 Children and two she bears. God uses Similitudes. Elijah just got a double portion of Elijah's spirit, The Children came out and said "Go up ye bald head, Go up ye bald head."

Elijah turned and cursed them in the name of the lord, and two she bears came out and tore up 42 of them.

Jesus was just baptised, He has the Power to GO UP, Reign as King, End Roman rule. But instead, He curses the Children or puts ministering God's word first and 42 Months are LOST to the Nation of Israel from ruling over others.

Ken

how did they research that? after they killed them or before when no european was on america?

The White Man brought smallpox ladened blankets and traded them to us as an early form of genetic warfare, It was the White Man brought the concept of slavery to us. We did not go on crusades because of religion, We did not kill whole races because we did not like the way they looked or did not like the Gods they worshiped. There was more peaceful "tribes" than you think there was. The Red Man or the White Man who was more "peaceful"?

interesting




interpretation of facts gone wrong

you mean we first killed them by dirty tricks and put them in camps, right before stealing their land?

History is written by the winners.
There will always be 3 sides to every story, The winners, the losers, and what really happened.

what Ken1Burton said was false

You sir, sicken me.

Smallpox ladened blankets? Cute, Seeing the ones who had them would have also died from it.

The Native Americans did not have many children that survived, That is why they stole children. And this is not unknown. Nor is Slavery among the Native Americans unknown.

There were some cute Native Americans in Mexico. Real Cute. Look at their history, their temples, How they delt with their captives.

Kid yourself all you want about nice peaceful tribes, They were not named Savages for nothing. The best way to think this over is staked to an ant hill. Don't forget to tie the stick in your mouth so the ants can get in there also.

Many dieases did get brought over here. But they had witch doctors. A couple shakes of the rattles, and you got cured. Got a head ache, NO problem, they just chip a hole in your skull to get rid of the evil Spirit.

We do not know how many diseases had done widespread damage before we go over here, It is not like they had written much down, But what chance did they have with diseases anyway? or most of the world then?

We can only go by what remains, The few forms of writting. The pictures tell us some things. But like it or not, this world goes on, and people coming to this land is part of it. But beware, Some have Bibles.

Ken

PS Poor sick KITTY.

History is always written by the ones who won. Don't believe everything you've read.

You weren't there, you don't know. No one does, but your assumptions are faulty and in poor taste.

You're offensive and smug for someone who thinks he knows everything.

Know your audience before you spout off sewage like that... You're sorely lucky the mods here don't allow what I can say about you....

not if they already had it....




we know nothing of them before the british wanted to play land-steal again. they had a huge population actually. And from who would they steal children?




by who? they were civilised. what would you do if someone invaded your country?



that was very populair back during the crusades. it was very normal for christians to do that.
an syrian doctor was asked by someone to come and heal the sick in their country. there was a woman their who had a normal headache. the doctor told her she was allergic. then came a christian doctor. he told her that she was possesed and a demon was in her head. to get the demon out they had to put a hole in her skull


You are historically 100% wrong

OH? The ones with the Smallpox laden blankets had already had Smallpox themselves, and SURVIVED? So they had an immunity.

Immunity? Like an inability to learn? or an unwillingness to learn? I have heard of that. Something like an internal fire wall.

What was the SURVIVAL rate for Smallpox back then? Measles maybe, But Smallpox?

People carry disease, Animals carry disease, That is a fact of life and of death. You also need to get sick. The Immunity system has to keep active. You can put people into a Bubble and keep them from germs, But don't bring them back out.

Now seeing all those people died because of Religious people, All the wars were because of Religious people. All the Arguments are because of religious people.

NO PROBLEM, We accept all the Fault. A non-believer has always ben shown to be very compassionate to everyone, Never took anyones land, Never bothered anyone. Always outstanding. Russia and China ought to be PROUD to be Atheist. They have accomplished so much for humanity.

"Why it is so hard for me to believe in God." Maybe God does not control too well. You know, Rub the Bible three times and you get your wish. Out pops Genie God and you can have whatsoever you want. (Some ministers will even confirm this is how it works)

Do we as Humans need someone to blame, so we ourselves look good? How great and compassionate we all are, always looking out for others? If it is hard to believe in God, How hard is it to trust people?

Do we keep our doors locked so a Christian does not break in and kill us in our sleep? It is those who have no regard for life that threatens life. Those who value a human being as nothing. And with no God, We are as a tuna, or a cat (cougars not included).

God did not create a cat in His image, He created us. And like it or not, that is very precious in God's sight. He did not just make an animal who eats and sleeps, and goes about their life. He made man to question what life is. How he came to be. and how could this have gotten to be.

People have fought against belief in God as long as man has thought there might be a God. And it will not end, for it was not meant to end. The Choice will always be there for each person who is able to reason. The message will come, and come and come, It will not go away. He stands at the door and knocks, and knocks, and knocks.

But here is the Secret, He is the one on the INSIDE, You have to open your heart to find Jesus.

I hear many people who say they like being an Atheist. I do not believe them for a moment. God says ALL KNOW HIM, And Him I believe. He did not say all would admit to knowing Him. But then, Let God be true, and every man a liar. (Let as in ALLOW)

Kid yourself all you want. Even convince yourself. But at death the game is over, and you remember and turn unto God.

(PSALMS 22:27) All the ends of the world shall remember and turn
unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship
before thee. (KJV)

You are all saved by grace. It had nothing to do with any of us, we all fall short.

Ken

i dont know of we are talking the same thing but once you have it and are cured you cant get it again





great examples lets talk Japan.(dictatorship=not communism) most russians want it back. i wonder how it would have gone if Lenin did not die. a lot better i think seeing he was not paranoid as stalin.




i am sorry i dont need anyone to show me what good or evil is. i learned that from myself. i dont need god or whatever to teach me the difference between good or evil.

tuna and cats have better morals then humans.... how many tuna's raped another tuna




you sound very sure....

Gods time is nearly up. When humanity goes their seperate ways and colonizes space. God will only remain in the imagination a few.

Of course we know that religion has lasted a long time, even with all these new ideas and critisism thrown at it. But I would make a bet that there are not many religious believers by the end of this century

[quote]There were some cute Native Americans in Mexico. Real Cute. Look at their history, their temples, How they delt with their captives.[/quote]
Native Central American?

[quote]What was the SURVIVAL rate for Smallpox back then? Measles maybe, But Smallpox?[/quote]
For a people that had no immunity very low.

[/QUOTE]People carry disease, Animals carry disease, That is a fact of life and of death. You also need to get sick.[QUOTE]
Yes we were talking about "genetic warfare" wasn't we? On a people that was wanting to live just like you.

Hotoke.

Did the other Tuna concent? Ask the deer hunters how many times they saw does fleeing the bucks when the bucks were in rut. No concent, that is rape in our language, what is it in theirs?

Many of the Animals are not willing to be breed. They are run down, Even the Dolphins, the males often gang up and chase a female till they are too tired to prevent the female from being? ____________ What would you call it?

We just formed laws against what happens in nature every day. They do not have a court system. Or maybe that is just they do not have Justice.


I was not referring to becoming immuned from smallpox. But was asking DID ANY SURVIVE after getting Smallpox? That was what the SURVIVED And became Immune? was all about.

They developed a vaccine against Smallpox by noticing those who had Milkpox did not get the Smallpox. I don't think before the Vaccine was produced, any survived Smallpox. And I am not sure when the Vaccine was started, I assume it was not when we got over here and gave blankets to the NAtive Americans.

And all the people both in North and South America are Native Americans, including what we call central america. Not just those Natives who come from the area we now call, the United States of America.

I never really got too involved in the GENETIC WARFARE remark. I do not think they sprayed the blankets with Smallpox virus. I do not think they looked around for someone with Measles and used them to visit the Native American tribes just to get them infected and most of them killed.

Germs and immunity was not too well understood back then. Had it been, The Military might well have used it. Instead they worked on the Gatlin gun. But Custer left them behind.


Now as far as Outer space goes (As if we have done a good job with inner space). Are we going to subdivide it before we get there, or have we already staked it out?

Now remember, if it is inhabited, Even if by Native Martians, we can not take their land.

The main exploration has to be done by Atheists. If there is a problem with the spacecraft, they might all turn Christian in a hurry. I don't know why they seem to remember there is a God when Trouble starts. Like the "there is no Atheist in a fox hole."

Ken

Ken:
Do you want some reading material that WILL open your eyes?
Go to your local library and find a copy of:
Rabbi Jesus: An Intimate Biography
by Bruce Chilton
ISBN: 038549792X
It gives Bible verses for reference on all.

Survival of the fittest I would think.



The key word I believe was "Animals".



Either way it happened.



That is exactly what they did.



There are a number of scientist that are Christians, You do not have to be an Atheist to be a scientist.
PS you are right "There are no Atheists in a foxhole

I looked up a little on Smallpox, I don't think ahyone would have used it as a weapon then, too dangerous to themselves.

Variolation against smallpox began as early as the 10th century through intranasal insufflation of dried crusts of smallpox lesions. In 18th-century Europe, the method consisted of subcutaneous injection of fluid from smallpox pustules or scabs (23). Variolation caused a mild form of smallpox, but prevented significant morbidity and mortality. In England there was a popular concept that dairy maids who had caught cowpox were thereafter immune to smallpox. In 1796, Jenner established the validity of this folkloric concept by his discovery that subcutaneous injection of cowpox virus conferred immunity against smallpox (21,24). In 1803 the term vaccination was coined from the Latin for cow (vacca) (24). Jenner's observations also are consistent with the now recognized importance of cell-mediated immunity in resistance to smallpox. In 1967, the World Health Organization undertook a global program of smallpox vaccination. At that time, 10 to 15 million cases of the disease occurred each year, with more than 2 million deaths. The last case of endemic smallpox was reported in Somalia in 1977. In 1980,

Now as far as God's time being nearly up. Boy are you in for a Surprise.

Atheist's time is nearly up. For most of them anyway. God has a time table. and it has an Alarm Clock in it for the awakening of the Nation of Israel. In 2029 ad, they will come to see Jesus is the Messiah in Scripture. THEN most of the World will see it. All foretold.

The FISHERS OF MEN will understand this better. Get your nets ready.

(EZEKIEL 47:8) Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward
the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea:
which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. (KJV)

This is the Four thousand cubit measurement of the river, it is for 2029 ad, Then they Nation of Israel will be healed and see Jesus is the Messiah. I am not talking about a second coming. But seeing in Scripture, Jesus is the one God spoke of.

(EZEKIEL 47:9) And it shall come to pass, that every thing that
liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall
live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because
these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and
every thing shall live whither the river cometh. (KJV)

The River here is Living waters, Knowing the Truth, and being healed by seeing what is truth. Great many of fish is converts.

(EZEKIEL 47:10) And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall
stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place
to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds,
as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. (KJV)

Make that GET BIG NETS.

(EZEKIEL 47:11) But the miry places thereof and the marishes
thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. (KJV)

There will be a few Holdouts, a few Atheists left, After all, We do not want to put our Bibles away.

Maybe the Spacecraft will be called Noah's Ark? When do we send Christianity into space? For it will almost cover the earth.

The Nation of Israel seeing Jesus is likened to the waters covering the sea.

(ISAIAH 11:9) They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy
mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord,
as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)

Do some of you want to join a Bible study now? or wait? I noticed many of the ones calling themselves Atheists know the Scriptures pretty good. Nice to be prepared.

Ken

If you want "revelations" read it.

Zandore.

We can not write off a Gang of male dolphins havine sex with an unwilling female as Animal behaviour, For with no God, We are in the very same class, Just animals.

Will I have to Close my eyes before I read the book you suggested in order for it to OPEN my eyes?

Rabbi Jesus, Sounds like Jesus was of the Tribe of Levi, You sure this person is talking of the same Jesus? Ours is of the Tribe of Judah.

There are over 1700 Chapters of Scripture which speaks of Jesus. Most of Sound doctrine the churches hold to is not even Scriptural truth. Jesus made an end of sin as Daniel 9:24 shows, What Church preaches that?

Open my eyes how? Give one example of what the book contains. Show a tid-bit. Something worth looking into. One truth that He can show.

Ken

I will PM you some verses when I can find some good ones for you. What do you want to know?

Zandore.

Something that is searchable. Not so much Church sound doctrine, most of that I can show is not truth. But anything we have touched on here. But whatever you come up with is fine. Just grab a few quick ones. I will search the web in case anything is on there that will give me a glimps.

Ken

Dear Ken ,
Is there room in your Ark for the pagans and non-christians alike ? I'll wait , not to mention I'm offended that my faiths are not viewed by some as having worth . My beliefs would consider your beliefs equal . In fact they insist on a tolerance of all people . Pagan and non-pagan alike.

How many people would like it if I would perhaps recite the stories of Cu-culhain or the prophecies of Finn mac Cumhail and claim there relevance to the imminent downfall of Christianity . Of course this is no more offensive than say ..

I could be wrong, if you meant Atheist in its most basic sense and are just including people who do not believe in the exsistance of Gods . Not people who believe in anything other than a Christian God . Of course my Ark would take the Athiests as well . It's a non-denominational Ark.

Dear to whom it may concern ,
there are many religions represented here at U.M. to claim that yours is the one true knowledge wether your religion be Faith or Science is not very nice , and totally irrelevant to the core subject that is Unexplained mysteries .

Kismit.

An Atheist is one who holds there is no God, In any form. Christians would list a Pagan as one who believes in Another or other Gods. Agnostic as one who questions the Existance of God. But this is how I list the different beliefs. Pagan would naturally be seen different by many. What a Christians would call a Pagan, A Witch would not.

What is see, is not what is called Sound Christian doctrine. But I can referrence all the concepts to show they are Scriptural. All mankind is saved by grace. Believer or non-believer, Pagan or Agnostic. Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussain.

When the planes crashed into the twin towers, God took them all home. All with the righteousness of Christ on them. Rendered to man in Job 33:26.

So errors of Doctrine, errors of belief, and errors of the way we lived our lives has nothing to do with salvation, What Jesus did at Golgotha did, and that was taking away FUTURE SINS, Past and present sins then ended with His stripes.

Hell ended the third day, Hell was a place of sleep till Jesus died for sin.

NOW. No matter how bad a person has been on earth. Those who are forgiven more, will loveth more. God has it already worked out. Wehn Jesus said "It is finished" at Golgotha, Finished is just what it was.

As far as being nice, I would not attribute that attribute to myself. If telling a person the truth is being rude, then rude I am.

Most of us can see a lot of people who's lives are messed up following things which hurt them more then help them, There are many who are still eating Spam from the Y2K nonsense. The End of the world bolonga. etc, and this is going on and on as those who profit from this line their pockets.

The old world ended the day of the cross, the Beginning was a similitude for the day of the cross, the old world had no beginning, the New World has no end, and that is Truth.

End times: Let Him on the Housetop not come down to take anything out of His house, Jesus on the cross is as a sparrow sitting on the Housetop, that is for Jesus to stay on the cross untill dead. The priests are asking Jesus to come down off the cross that they might see and believe.

End times: Let Him in the field not return to take up His clothes, the Sepulchre is in a garen or field, Jesus only has the linen cloth. He is to stay in the tomb till the third day. He has the power to take up His life, But has to wait on the Lord till the third day and be WITH THEM when God send them all out of Hell, Jesus included.

(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
(KJV)

The Book of Revelation is looking at the day of the cross as 7 time periods, over and over again. So this is not things that will be coming on the earth. They happened already.

The four beasts with 6-wings is the day as 4 6-hour periods, the four horses are the day as 4 6-hour periods, Pale Horse is noon to sunset, Death followed by hell as Jesus died and descended into hell, All things already fulfilled.


Ken

Unless you look at it from my perspective then the world is niether old or new but the place that is responsible for providing us with life . It is neither benign or malignant , it has no plans for us , but still it keeps us .

The Earth is lickened to a female energy and the outer universe the male with out either we could not survive .

Death is a natural part of life and we will all progress through it wether God takes us or not . In my belief we create our own pergatory in our lives and our after lives , karma deals us our blows swiftly . We do not encounter or develop grace becuase of death but because of life and because it's right .

The emphasis should not be on wether we find God to be the same thing but wether or not we are forgiving, caring and loving toward each other .

Freespyrt,
I am sorry for the horrid things that have happened to you I hope that on occasion you still experience the gifts of love , forgivness and caring .

The more I listen to Kismit the more I think I may lean towards being a Pagen.

I turned my back on organized religion after going to many different kinds of churches and not finding anything that actually reflected my beliefs. My parents are Southern Babtist and I went with them but when I was old enough to make my own decision they didn't object. I don't mind being a guest in my friends churches because I find it interesting and informative, but I've yet to find anything that clicks.

For lack of a better term I've always called myself an Agnostic but it never accurately reflected who I really am.

Looks like ya's been really busy since I've been gone. Lemme just say that Ken you write way too much gibberish. How is anyone ever gonna believe what you ahve to say when you have a book here? Geez!
And somewhere on pages back there someone basically said that if you don't believe in God when you die, you should be fed to animals. Hmm. Because I don't believe in God, doesn't mean that I don't believe in other things. I believe that the body is just armour for our souls. When we die, just our bodies go, not our spirit, soul, heart, life experiences and loves don't die. Gimme a break. I believe in Ghosts, for I have seen, and senced them. God on the other hand, I have never seen nor senced. Even during the hardest times in my life, I felt utterly alone, and didn't sence any higher power, or anyone 'carring me' hence the story of Jesus carrying a person during their hard times.
I have found more happiness, peace and comfort NOT believing than when I did.

Same here. In god, that is.

I didn't know this thread was still alive. Oh well.

That explains all the little boys raped by priests. Or, wait... Did god tell them to do that? Or are the people that close to god just that much more deluded?

Well said KAT

Tipical christian answers:

They were tempet by SATAN!!!!

or

They werent real christians.

or

Its all false, its a which hunt against christianity!


Ahh..i love semitic religions...they are soo cutefull hypocritical..

They were supposed to be "Religious Leaders", The pinnacle of the community and look what they did. In their own Bible it says that "Man shall not lay with Man". In that case it was little boys. Just another reason I will not follow a Religion

Thanks for reminding me on that topic. Gives me MORE reasons not to believe. A priest is supposed to be someone who is Gods person who preaches His words. So many people and children have trust in priests. Then they (priests) turn around and molest. That is just sickening! I hope they go to hell if there is one, cause that in my book is by far one of the worse acts in this world, right next to killing. I think that ALL people who rape or murder someone should be jailed or put to death. If they stay in Jail they can help scientists with research and the inmates will be the new guinea pigs. Instead of testing acid on a rabbits skin, why not test on an inmate who is a murderer or rapist? They can give better feedback than any other animal.

When you die or are killed that is it, Your life is over. If you are molested or raped you continue to live with that knowledge, no rest ,no respite it is there. If you have never had that happen to you or to a point someone you love you can never know just what it is like. Am I right free?

right on the money. It is really hard for people who haven't had been raped to know what you have to live with everyday. Regardless if it was years ago, and I am stronger and more aware of many things, it doesn't mean that the wounds have completely healed. Same for any child that had to endure this cruelness. It takes along time for 'us' to love another person, to trust another person. Some of 'us' never do. I am glad that I have surpassed that part and I have someone that I love soo very much and glad to have him in my life. Actually, grateful. He is my hero, my protector, my savior. He is like my own personal jesus.

You sound like a very strong person now and that is good, And the main thing is "You have found your faith". If I upset anyone with my comment OH WELL!. If it means anything to you Free walk the road of life with my blessings.