No he gives a sign of weakness, a sign of non-existant.
I don't believe in God and I am one of the healthiest persons I know.
Our neighbours have lost 2 children because of a decease, they believe in God.
What a God he is then to let them die, people who believe in him.
Such a unfair world, war, economical problems, Bush etc...and like 100 religions with people believing them and still not a perfect world.
And they say religion can do anything ,but it has done nothing...
Full Version: Why It Is Hard For Me To Believe In GOD.
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You are an adult now. Choose a path and take it, or wait at the crossroad. You can go any way you want.
Free have you or have you not made a choice on the road that you want?
Ken if we are not descended from a primate then why do we have a "tail bone"? Answer that if you can.
In the mean time stop stalking young ladies! Do some good with your time if you know how.
QUOTE(Faeden @ Jan 24 2005, 07:34 PM)
Hi christservant
Can I ask you a question? Do you think Freespyryt24 suffered because she/he sinned?
All I would like is a YES or NO answer please.
By the way I believe in God.
All the best
Faeden
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Can I ask you a question? Do you think Freespyryt24 suffered because she/he sinned?
All I would like is a YES or NO answer please.
By the way I believe in God.
All the best
Faeden
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Bear with me, and read this out:
Why would you want a YES or NO answer, when I myself am uncertain? It is possible that she suffered for a sin she committed in a past life, I am not yet certain on the reality of reincarnation and Christianity--as when Jesus came, he opened the gates to the birth of the spirit--just as Adam opened the gates to the birth of the body.
However, we all suffer for the sin of Adam. I would doubt that she suffered for her own sin; however, it is sin itself that cripples the body of humanity. See, on a large scale, the earth itself is one body. On a larger scale, a forest is one body--one system, working together to be what it is. On a larger scale, humanity is one body. When Adam sinned, he crippled the human body, and now, like a man who still limps from a bone he broke 30 years ago in his life, humanity is still limping from sin.
Moreover, why worry for somebody else's sin? None of us is responsible for another person's free will. Judgment will come when it is due. If it were due now, you would not be waiting. If you want it now, then what will you do when you can no longer die, and yet wish to change? If you want judgment now and wish to have no period away from God, how will you ever change, or grow? For if you are with God, you will not be able to sin--moreover, grace cannot be upon you. If you cannot have freewill then with God, and yet earth is a place where you can have freewill, why should God turn and have compassion on you for taking the opportunity to grow, and then wishing this opportunity were not possible?
Look for God, and you will find him. If you were with God always, you would not be able to suffer. Suffering gives you riches in heaven--eternal riches. Why then does it appear hateful for a God to allow you to suffer and enter into this temporary life, when you return into eternity where the things you receive from this life cannot be received? Should God have compassion on you for hating eternity? No. Therefore, it is the sins of others that cripple others, and it is the sins of ourselves that cripple ourselves and each other.
If you wish not to cripple and receive such the reward, you will repent. But don't hate God for suffering for somebody else's sin. God is waiting for you to die this whole journey--until the journey is over he cannot interfere with the freewill, for if he did, the journey would not be possible. Do you not think he will repay everyone for what they have done?
But don't think then that it is impossible to avoid suffering--as if everyone's freewill is closing in on you. But, at the same time, don't hate God for the suffering you do receive. Some people receive lots, some notice little. The "lots" can be substituted with riches--meaning, lots of riches. What kind of riches? Eternal riches, away from this world to which we die to, because in eternity, nothing rots. So then, plan for eternity while it is possible--this is how it is possible: Repent and serve Jesus, and then in eternity you will not cry for having something undesirable; such as a handicapped person my cry for being born into this world handicapped. So why be born into eternity handicapped? Is not eternity more important than this world, which we already know we are dying every passing second from?
That's what I believe, you can disbelieve if you so choose.
QUOTE(Dezmond @ Jan 25 2005, 09:58 AM)
No he gives a sign of weakness, a sign of non-existant.
I don't believe in God and I am one of the healthiest persons I know.
Our neighbours have lost 2 children because of a decease, they believe in God.
What a God he is then to let them die, people who believe in him.
Such a unfair world, war, economical problems, Bush etc...and like 100 religions with people believing them and still not a perfect world.
And they say religion can do anything ,but it has done nothing...
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I don't believe in God and I am one of the healthiest persons I know.
Our neighbours have lost 2 children because of a decease, they believe in God.
What a God he is then to let them die, people who believe in him.
Such a unfair world, war, economical problems, Bush etc...and like 100 religions with people believing them and still not a perfect world.
And they say religion can do anything ,but it has done nothing...
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First of all, this world is temporary and you know it. You yourself are going to die, and must die. Why then do you insult or trouble yourself?
Moreover, without religion or God, I assure you the world would be terrible.
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Moreover, without religion or God, I assure you the world would be terrible.
Go assure yourself, because I'd place my money on the past being the same or better. No human sacrifices to "please the gods" no "Well, Im doing gods work"...
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Moreover, without religion or God, I assure you the world would be terrible.
You mean if we hadn't had the dark ages or the crusades, to name but a couple of your religion's gifts to mankind?
If we had never had religion, I wholeheartedly believe mankind (as science would never have gone through a period of being labelled blasphemy) would be colonising the moon right now. I believe a vast array of diseases, in today's world fatal, would be quite easily curable, and I believe that I would get on with people like you much better than I do
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Look for God, and you will find him.
Why is it that Christians never see the obviously fatal flaw in a system of belief that they openly say "they only way to find God, is to already belief he's there." I mean for crying out loud...
A being that presents no evidence for itself, gives us no reason to believe it exists, and get this...only people who already wholeheartedly believe that it's there, and that they're going to find it, will ever see it
Bloody hell...When god starts presenting solid evidence of his existance to hardened skeptics like myself...then I'll start believing. I've yet to hear of a "spiritual experience" that wasn't either a complete joke, or someone demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of how the human mind works...believe in something enough, and your mind will convince you it happened - the same principle is true of ghosts, psi...you can see it in all sorts of things.
When the first religion (Paganism) on earth was the default religion, the earth was at its most stable, I know the ancients sacrificed people (I’m not excusing that) just as I dont excuse the millions of people Christianity and Islam and the Jews have killed and sacrificed in more recent times, but in pagan times the world was much more at peace and at one with the planet, now we have all the modern religions, war is a cancer that is destroying the planet and that suppresses people with fear and ignorance.
If the dogmatic faiths vanished and the old religion was brought back to default the world would be at peace again. I’m not saying it would be perfect, but it would be a damn site more pleasant that it is now.
All the best
Faeden
If the dogmatic faiths vanished and the old religion was brought back to default the world would be at peace again. I’m not saying it would be perfect, but it would be a damn site more pleasant that it is now.
All the best
Faeden
Actually, I have had lots of synchronization occurences. Among which, I used to look at the clock a lot and see the time 9:11--and I even thought it was strange. But not really too strange. However, it is odd that I had spoke with my mom's girlfriend (she's now dead, but from not from what I am about to say) about her going to try out for the "Weakest Link." Needless to say, in effect we talked of going to it, and the scheduled date was 9/11/01 in New York. We actually didn't go.
This doesn't mean much, but something I can easily describe to you; but, since you look for signs of God, or greater things, also note that a fetus in the womb is never visited by its father or mother--rather, the entire growth period it remains inside the womb, until one day it is born and the outside world becomes apparent. Is it now to say that the father and mother didn't exist? No, they were there all along.
Moreover, I have had other synchronization occurences many times, including but not limited to dreams and then seeing something from the dream later on in the day. And aside from all this, God is there for those who seek him. He will deliver you from your own sin. I know He delivers from sin, because He delivered me many a times; and away from sin, including theft, falsehood, lies, cowardiceness, and all sorts of sins and confusion, God has delivered me and things are much clearer.
Just because your idea of God includes him placing you in some sort of glorious paradise where he serves your every wish immediate and openly doesn't mean that that is reality. In fact, reality has never been that way for as long as you live, so I don't know where you get the impression that that is how things ought to be. Moreover, when you leave this womb of Death, and, like a baby, are born into the clearer, outside world, I assure you, just as a fetus is freed to live and expand, a spirit is freed from this physical body, and, being that the next life no longer has any death or rebirth to be subject to (you don't grow old in order to be born or to die like we've been doing since conception), things will be much clearer--and more paradise-like, as you obviously expect life to be.
So why would you wish for great things in a life and world in which you know you must die and leave from? Why not care about where you are going before where you are leaving?
That's fine if you want to say, "I don't believe in God, so this means nothing to me." You can act like that all you want, but if that's what you're planning on saying to me, then why say anything to me at all in the first place?
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This doesn't mean much, but something I can easily describe to you; but, since you look for signs of God, or greater things, also note that a fetus in the womb is never visited by its father or mother--rather, the entire growth period it remains inside the womb, until one day it is born and the outside world becomes apparent. Is it now to say that the father and mother didn't exist? No, they were there all along.
Moreover, I have had other synchronization occurences many times, including but not limited to dreams and then seeing something from the dream later on in the day. And aside from all this, God is there for those who seek him. He will deliver you from your own sin. I know He delivers from sin, because He delivered me many a times; and away from sin, including theft, falsehood, lies, cowardiceness, and all sorts of sins and confusion, God has delivered me and things are much clearer.
Just because your idea of God includes him placing you in some sort of glorious paradise where he serves your every wish immediate and openly doesn't mean that that is reality. In fact, reality has never been that way for as long as you live, so I don't know where you get the impression that that is how things ought to be. Moreover, when you leave this womb of Death, and, like a baby, are born into the clearer, outside world, I assure you, just as a fetus is freed to live and expand, a spirit is freed from this physical body, and, being that the next life no longer has any death or rebirth to be subject to (you don't grow old in order to be born or to die like we've been doing since conception), things will be much clearer--and more paradise-like, as you obviously expect life to be.
So why would you wish for great things in a life and world in which you know you must die and leave from? Why not care about where you are going before where you are leaving?
That's fine if you want to say, "I don't believe in God, so this means nothing to me." You can act like that all you want, but if that's what you're planning on saying to me, then why say anything to me at all in the first place?
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When the first religion (Paganism) on earth was the default religion, the earth was at its most stable, I know the ancients sacrificed people (I’m not excusing that) just as I dont excuse the millions of people Christianity and Islam and the Jews have killed and sacrificed in more recent times, but in pagan times the world was much more at peace and at one with the planet, now we have all the modern religions, war is a cancer that is destroying the planet and that suppresses people with fear and ignorance.
If the dogmatic faiths vanished and the old religion was brought back to default the world would be at peace again. I’m not saying it would be perfect, but it would be a damn site more pleasant that it is now.
All the best
Faeden
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If the dogmatic faiths vanished and the old religion was brought back to default the world would be at peace again. I’m not saying it would be perfect, but it would be a damn site more pleasant that it is now.
All the best
Faeden
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Paganism in recorded history, maybe. But you have no proof to suggest that paganism was the default religion, and if you choose to believe this, then let me judge you by your own claim: so, paganism was stable as the default religion? Why then is the earth now unstable?
If a child was more stable in his childhood, and yet becomes crippled and maddened by the overuse of drugs, is not the adult judged or recorded according to his/her childhood? Or is the childhood great, whereas the adult's downfall began at the moment of drugs? Does not your disbelief in God put your trust in science? Why then is psychology not relevant to you? The mistakes of a perfect nature echo with scars...and on your basis that paganism is somehow grand and stable, why then do you suggest the apparent modern day scars are somehow independent to the paganistic roots?
I'm fully aware how ignorant many fundamentalists are today, its why most of them are miserable and unhappy, and this is a perfect example.
I'm not a homosexual, but that’s offensive how dare you put homosexuality in the same box as incest ? This is typical extremist slander of things they disagree with, maybe I should put this
Catholic priest/Pedaphile
But I wouldn’t think that, because that’s just plan ignorant to do so.
I love the religion of Christianity and Catholicism they are lovely belief systems (if they can live and let live) I was baptised Church of England, but its people like your self that keep me well away from ever wanting to become one, even though I am aware that many Christians are not like you, you are giving Jesus Christ a bad name, and I hope he can forgive you.
All the best
Faeden
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homosexuality/incest temptation
I'm not a homosexual, but that’s offensive how dare you put homosexuality in the same box as incest ? This is typical extremist slander of things they disagree with, maybe I should put this
Catholic priest/Pedaphile
But I wouldn’t think that, because that’s just plan ignorant to do so.
I love the religion of Christianity and Catholicism they are lovely belief systems (if they can live and let live) I was baptised Church of England, but its people like your self that keep me well away from ever wanting to become one, even though I am aware that many Christians are not like you, you are giving Jesus Christ a bad name, and I hope he can forgive you.
All the best
Faeden
I was describing my own sins, thank you--my own temptations, rather, of a confused and sexually-immoral nature. I was not classifying homosexuality as incest, as that is incorrect.
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But you have no proof to suggest that paganism was the default religion
Science does, its common knowledge that the first religions where nature based ones, and they where a lot more content with them selves than people are today, and life was a lot more peaceful than today. your question was complete proof of your ignorance and brain washing.
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Does not your disbelief in God put your trust in science?
Again your ignorance comes through as total proof of your brainwashing. I believe in god, I dont disbelieve in god just because you say so, or because your church states that pagan means godless person. I have a strong belief in god thank you very much its just my god is not as cruel as the one you seem to believe in. The ancient pagans believed in many gods and goddesses, they in fact they where a lot more godly than you they had gods coming out there ears.
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I was describing my own sins, thank you--my own temptations, rather, of a confused and sexually-immoral nature. I was not classifying homosexuality as incest, as that is incorrect.
No you where putting them in the same category and brackets.
This is going to be the last I comment I have with religious extremists on here, I should have learnt from past experience they are too far gone and live in ignorance hate and darkness. Why dont you enjoy life and stop being so morbid and miserable just as the good lord wants you to be, his did not give you life so that you can suppress it and not live it.
All the best
Faeden
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First of all, God is not the same as a god. Second of all, I was trying to have a civilized conversation, but you obviously don't care what I have to say. Moreover, I don't know where you get this idea that paganism is the first historical beliefs and as it being common knowledge/factual. I can plainly argue otherwise, and you cannot disprove me, nor I you if you are unwilling to believe me. I am sorry you felt I was being disrespectful, but I assure I was not.
First of all, God is not the same as a god. Second of all, I was trying to have a civilized conversation, but you obviously don't care what I have to say. Moreover, I don't know where you get this idea that paganism is the first historical beliefs and as it being common knowledge/factual. I can plainly argue otherwise, and you cannot disprove me, nor I you if you are unwilling to believe me. I am sorry you felt I was being disrespectful, but I assure I was not.
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I was describing my own sins, thank you--my own temptations, rather, of a confused and sexually-immoral nature. I was not classifying homosexuality as incest, as that is incorrect.
No you where putting them in the same category and brackets.
I regret to inform you that my temptations and lusts included them as the same category. Praise God for delivering and forgiving me. How do my sins somehow become wrong to you? I assure I am not lying about them, I truly sinned as such.
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I assure I am not lying about them, I truly sinned as such.
Yyyyeah....in future, would you mind not highlighting them? Aside from the fact you've managed to give me an incredibly queasy stomach, some members of the board are a bit young to be exposed to talk about your....inclinations...
QUOTE(christservant @ Jan 25 2005, 10:22 AM)
I regret to inform you that my temptations and lusts included them as the same category. Praise God for delivering and forgiving me. How do my sins somehow become wrong to you? I assure I am not lying about them, I truly sinned as such.
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Hi Christservent.
I can completely understand your wish to be honest and truthful in such matters, and that is appreciated.
We do however have a large number of young people who come here and are involved in the debates in which we all participate.
That being the case, I would hope that you would keep in mind the age of the younger folks here when listing the specifics of your sins, as some things are just not quite age appropriate for the young ones among us...
It also is a bit more information than I would like to know about you to be blunt.
Not that everyone does not have their own issues in life, I just think that sometimes generalizations in some matters are the best bet.
Thanks for your consideration in such matters.
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I regret to inform you that my temptations and lusts included them as the same category. Praise God for delivering and forgiving me. How do my sins somehow become wrong to you? I assure I am not lying about them, I truly sinned as such.
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Hi Christservent.
I can completely understand your wish to be honest and truthful in such matters, and that is appreciated.
We do however have a large number of young people who come here and are involved in the debates in which we all participate.
That being the case, I would hope that you would keep in mind the age of the younger folks here when listing the specifics of your sins, as some things are just not quite age appropriate for the young ones among us...
It also is a bit more information than I would like to know about you to be blunt.
Not that everyone does not have their own issues in life, I just think that sometimes generalizations in some matters are the best bet.
Thanks for your consideration in such matters.
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The truth: they were temptations and unnatural lusts, and for the record I am a virgin, I didn't ever have the chance to act them out. Thank God he has delivered me.
And, I don't see how discussing and being ashamed of sins and bad things are somehow more offensive than speaking of atheism, paganism, abortion, sperm and egg cells, etc. on this message board. There are a lot of bad things, I didn't go into detail, although I could.
I was wondering about the language also. 
It's offensive, Mr Christservant, because of things such as common sense, polite conversation, and good taste. Common sense indicates that some of the things you mentioned were pushing the envelope of good taste a little too far
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It's offensive, Mr Christservant, because of things such as common sense, polite conversation, and good taste. Common sense indicates that some of the things you mentioned were pushing the envelope of good taste a little too far
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Your feeling of what makes a good Christian does not matter. What matters is what the Bible desires; I don't think God would be offended for me making a few vague references to my sins. Paul committed mass genocide, and the Bible makes no effort to hide it.
Nor does the Bible make effort to hide the truth.
Paul is not here, and this is not the bible; it is an open and public forum. Please be respectful of that fact and others here, thank you.
That being said; can we get back on topic?
That being said; can we get back on topic?
Open Forum? Don't tell that to Free, She thinks this is HER THREAD.
The Word ADULT has more then one meaning. Many see it in regard to the age, But others see it as also having to do with Maturity. The Maturity is the one I was referring to.
Wanting to blame others for what we do is real cute. Many claim they beat their children because they were beaten as a child. That is a cop-out. And I think few judges would give it much merit before the sentence.
If you want to say "You are driving me towards Satan.", Bull, You go because you choose to go in that direction. And that God you find hard to believe in might get a lot of calls from you when you get in over your head.
Children are not born in sin, Nor does the sin of Adam rest on them. It violates God's own law.
(DEUTERONOMY 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the
children, neither shall the children be put to death for the
fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (KJV)
Sin had to BELONG to Jesus when He died. He did not die for our sin, He took our sins and died for them as His own to fulfill the law.
God uses similitudes in the Scripture. The day of the cross is seen as the Birth of the Body of Christ in the Psalms:
(PSALMS 2:6) Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. (KJV)
(PSALMS 2:7) I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me,
Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. (KJV)
God makes the day of the cross as 7 days in Isaiah 30:26. This is seen in three pictures also seen as days. it is all the sevens in the book of Revelation, and the thirds seen in the book of Revelaiton.
Because the day of the cross is also seen as 1,000 years, the day is also looked at as 10 100-year periods. The First is sunset to Midnight or the time of the last supper. As the birth is this day, The first 6-hours or first day is as the Womb, as the Child is BORN. Midnight Jesus takes sin.
(PSALMS 58:3) The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go
astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 65:20) There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor
an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die
an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old
shall be accursed. (KJV)
At Midnight as the Birth of the Body of Christ is started, We in that Body are Spiritually dead, or the infant dies 100 years old.
God pours out His spirit upon all flesh, or we are all in Christ. (We have ALL TOGETHER become as an Unclean thing) No innocent babies, no innocent because they are unable to reason, all one body, all guilty because of sin.
Then in the third time period from sunrise to noon, "With His stripes we are healed." or now, Spiritually alive. Then Jesus takes FUTURE Sins to Golgotha. Or "while we were yet sinners (still humans falling short) Christ died for us."
Jesus made and end of sin and brought in everlasting righteousness as Daniel showed, the seal in Daniel kept the Disciples and Paul from seeing sin ended as Accountable unto man. Luke 18:31 shows Daniel had to be fulfilled the day of the cross.
(DANIEL 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon
thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of
sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in
everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy. (KJV)
(LUKE 18:31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them,
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by
the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (KJV)
The fourth seal is noon to sunset, Death followed by hell as Jesus died and descended into hell, so He could get them all out and shut down hell on the third day.
(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (KJV)
Ken
The Word ADULT has more then one meaning. Many see it in regard to the age, But others see it as also having to do with Maturity. The Maturity is the one I was referring to.
Wanting to blame others for what we do is real cute. Many claim they beat their children because they were beaten as a child. That is a cop-out. And I think few judges would give it much merit before the sentence.
If you want to say "You are driving me towards Satan.", Bull, You go because you choose to go in that direction. And that God you find hard to believe in might get a lot of calls from you when you get in over your head.
Children are not born in sin, Nor does the sin of Adam rest on them. It violates God's own law.
(DEUTERONOMY 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the
children, neither shall the children be put to death for the
fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (KJV)
Sin had to BELONG to Jesus when He died. He did not die for our sin, He took our sins and died for them as His own to fulfill the law.
God uses similitudes in the Scripture. The day of the cross is seen as the Birth of the Body of Christ in the Psalms:
(PSALMS 2:6) Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. (KJV)
(PSALMS 2:7) I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me,
Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. (KJV)
God makes the day of the cross as 7 days in Isaiah 30:26. This is seen in three pictures also seen as days. it is all the sevens in the book of Revelation, and the thirds seen in the book of Revelaiton.
Because the day of the cross is also seen as 1,000 years, the day is also looked at as 10 100-year periods. The First is sunset to Midnight or the time of the last supper. As the birth is this day, The first 6-hours or first day is as the Womb, as the Child is BORN. Midnight Jesus takes sin.
(PSALMS 58:3) The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go
astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 65:20) There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor
an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die
an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old
shall be accursed. (KJV)
At Midnight as the Birth of the Body of Christ is started, We in that Body are Spiritually dead, or the infant dies 100 years old.
God pours out His spirit upon all flesh, or we are all in Christ. (We have ALL TOGETHER become as an Unclean thing) No innocent babies, no innocent because they are unable to reason, all one body, all guilty because of sin.
Then in the third time period from sunrise to noon, "With His stripes we are healed." or now, Spiritually alive. Then Jesus takes FUTURE Sins to Golgotha. Or "while we were yet sinners (still humans falling short) Christ died for us."
Jesus made and end of sin and brought in everlasting righteousness as Daniel showed, the seal in Daniel kept the Disciples and Paul from seeing sin ended as Accountable unto man. Luke 18:31 shows Daniel had to be fulfilled the day of the cross.
(DANIEL 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon
thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of
sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in
everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy. (KJV)
(LUKE 18:31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them,
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by
the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (KJV)
The fourth seal is noon to sunset, Death followed by hell as Jesus died and descended into hell, so He could get them all out and shut down hell on the third day.
(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (KJV)
Ken
Ken...quick question....do you believe in the story of the flood, Noah and all that?
Simply because god's inexistent
Seraphina, I will answer Ken's question if he wont...
I believe in the Great Flood... And The ark, and Noah and all that... I believe it because I have faith in my God... That is the only reason I believe it... I have faith enough to believe my God could do something that big...
And my beliefs teach me that my God is control of everything, and everything that happens, happens for a reason... I can't understand it all the time.. But you know what, there are some things we as humans can't understand...
Why did God kill all the people of earth with a great flood? Because he wanted to... And that may seem cruel to some, but I can't understand Gods motives... Murder does not apply to God... He judges, and he is the only one true judge..
But these is all my own beliefs... I speak for nobody but myself...
I believe in the Great Flood... And The ark, and Noah and all that... I believe it because I have faith in my God... That is the only reason I believe it... I have faith enough to believe my God could do something that big...
And my beliefs teach me that my God is control of everything, and everything that happens, happens for a reason... I can't understand it all the time.. But you know what, there are some things we as humans can't understand...
Why did God kill all the people of earth with a great flood? Because he wanted to... And that may seem cruel to some, but I can't understand Gods motives... Murder does not apply to God... He judges, and he is the only one true judge..
But these is all my own beliefs... I speak for nobody but myself...
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Murder does not apply to God... He judges, and he is the only one true judge..
I believe Hitler used the same excuse when he was murdering people too...
My point, however, is whether or not Ken believes in it...you see, in his previous post, he said that to punish the son for the sins of the father went agains God's law (this is a direct contradiction, one of many in the bible, as elsewhere is says the exact opposite).
However, if he believes in the biblical event of the flood, then he must also believe that god (not for the first time) when against his own law - murdering children, unborn babies, and so on and so forth, because of the so called sins commited by those who had come before him.
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I have many many reasons not to believe in God. They are my personal experiences that lead me to believe that IF there was a God, why didn't he help me?
First thing, When I was born in 1980, My mom told my father that she was pregnate, he didn't want to have anything to do with us. My mom was 18. So I was raised without my father. During those years it was hard. Actually, Hard isn't even remotely close to what I had to endure during my childhood. My mom did as much as she could to provide for my brother and I. We were on welfare, jumped from house to house, we lived in a car for a week when I was 3. We survived, not on faith of God, but from friends and the goverment. Our meals consited of tv dinners, salsbury steak broiled in a bag, goverment cheese, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, Tang and powdered milk. Eventually, my mom went back to school to finish up and get a great career to care for her 2 children and not have to have the goverment help her raise us.
Second, My mom had boyfriends trying to find a suitable father figure for my brother and I, there were some bad seeds. And One Really bad seed, in which when I was 7 he raped me repeatedly and all I could do was pray to God to have him stop. He didn't hear my prayers cause the sexual abuse and the physical abuse didn't stop for months until he beat my mom horribly. He took her outside and bashed her head against the concrete. He didn't beat us nearly as bad, but seeing my mom getting hurt, hurt us as bad as the beatings. Needlesstosay, God didn't come to 'save us', my uncle did and had the s.o.b. put in jail. That was the night that I finally said something about the rapings. It is very hard for a 7 year old girl to come into a court room and see the man who ripped your already pathedic life apart, and get some justice. He was sententced to 15-40 years.
Third, I lived in fear for many years. When I was in 6th grade I tried numerous times to kill myself. I wanted out of this hell of a life. Why would a God put one family through so much pain and agony? Doesn't he have any compassion for a child? I drew a picture of me holding a gun to my head, tears streaming down my face, and I drew pictures of some of my classmates who were terribly mean to me telling me that I was worthless, ugly, and to pull the trigger. This picture put me into an institution for children with 'problems' for 2 weeks. I didn't find God in there, I found 'Life' and friends.
I felt as if the Good Book, missed alot of pages. There probably was a guy named Jesus. I feel if Christians are so 'for' God, why don't they smoke marijuana. If God created everything on this earth that is natural. I am sure he didn't put marijuana on this planet for us to look at. And for all those people to believe they saw a man walk across the water, MUST have been smoking something. Hmm.
I still can't believe in something that brings so much pain. I didn't eat the damn apple so why did I have to suffer?
He took my grandma away from us in a freek accident this year. 5 days before her FAVORITE holiday, Christmas. I am so mad at him if he exists. I didn't deserve to have a life like this. My grandma didn't deserve to die like that. SHe was only 72! I am a good person with a good heart, My grandma was a great person and a great heart! I did believe in this God when I was young, but he never helped me, I had to help myself with the help of my family. He torchured me, he brought hell into my life. No child derseves this abuse. I was an innocent child. All children are innocent and He hasn't helped any of us.
I do believe in somethings though, Myself and the Power of Family and Friends.
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First thing, When I was born in 1980, My mom told my father that she was pregnate, he didn't want to have anything to do with us. My mom was 18. So I was raised without my father. During those years it was hard. Actually, Hard isn't even remotely close to what I had to endure during my childhood. My mom did as much as she could to provide for my brother and I. We were on welfare, jumped from house to house, we lived in a car for a week when I was 3. We survived, not on faith of God, but from friends and the goverment. Our meals consited of tv dinners, salsbury steak broiled in a bag, goverment cheese, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, Tang and powdered milk. Eventually, my mom went back to school to finish up and get a great career to care for her 2 children and not have to have the goverment help her raise us.
Second, My mom had boyfriends trying to find a suitable father figure for my brother and I, there were some bad seeds. And One Really bad seed, in which when I was 7 he raped me repeatedly and all I could do was pray to God to have him stop. He didn't hear my prayers cause the sexual abuse and the physical abuse didn't stop for months until he beat my mom horribly. He took her outside and bashed her head against the concrete. He didn't beat us nearly as bad, but seeing my mom getting hurt, hurt us as bad as the beatings. Needlesstosay, God didn't come to 'save us', my uncle did and had the s.o.b. put in jail. That was the night that I finally said something about the rapings. It is very hard for a 7 year old girl to come into a court room and see the man who ripped your already pathedic life apart, and get some justice. He was sententced to 15-40 years.
Third, I lived in fear for many years. When I was in 6th grade I tried numerous times to kill myself. I wanted out of this hell of a life. Why would a God put one family through so much pain and agony? Doesn't he have any compassion for a child? I drew a picture of me holding a gun to my head, tears streaming down my face, and I drew pictures of some of my classmates who were terribly mean to me telling me that I was worthless, ugly, and to pull the trigger. This picture put me into an institution for children with 'problems' for 2 weeks. I didn't find God in there, I found 'Life' and friends.
I felt as if the Good Book, missed alot of pages. There probably was a guy named Jesus. I feel if Christians are so 'for' God, why don't they smoke marijuana. If God created everything on this earth that is natural. I am sure he didn't put marijuana on this planet for us to look at. And for all those people to believe they saw a man walk across the water, MUST have been smoking something. Hmm.
I still can't believe in something that brings so much pain. I didn't eat the damn apple so why did I have to suffer?
He took my grandma away from us in a freek accident this year. 5 days before her FAVORITE holiday, Christmas. I am so mad at him if he exists. I didn't deserve to have a life like this. My grandma didn't deserve to die like that. SHe was only 72! I am a good person with a good heart, My grandma was a great person and a great heart! I did believe in this God when I was young, but he never helped me, I had to help myself with the help of my family. He torchured me, he brought hell into my life. No child derseves this abuse. I was an innocent child. All children are innocent and He hasn't helped any of us.
I do believe in somethings though, Myself and the Power of Family and Friends.
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To answer your question on why it's so hard for you to believe in God, it's because you don't want to. What you think all those who believe in God have perfect lives? My mother was left a double orphan by the age of seven her parents died within a year of each other, then she got left to some b**** of an auuty who began her years of torture by cutting of her hair, taking the money for supposedly taking care of her and buying the best while literally leaving my mother in rags and making her eat their leftovers. Her grandmother died at 16 just before she was old enough to live with her. Her uncle died around that time too. She got cheated out of millions of dollars worth of inheritance by horrendously greedy relatives, had a horrible marriage, abusive in-laws, sickness, etc etc etc. And she has always believed in God, to the extreme. Lots of people suffer more than alot of the whingers that don't (no, I'm not actually placing you in that category here) and still believe in God.
Ashley, it could be that your brand of God is so patently ridiculous that believing in "Him" is only for the gullible!
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God pours out His spirit upon all flesh, or we are all in Christ. (We have ALL TOGETHER become as an Unclean thing) No innocent babies, no innocent because they are unable to reason, all one body, all guilty because of sin.
A quote from Ken about thee sins of the parents on the child.
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(PSALMS 58:3) The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go
astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. (KJV)
astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. (KJV)
Number 2
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Children are not born in sin, Nor does the sin of Adam rest on them. It violates God's own law.
I was wondering if you could be a little more consistent on your prophesies.
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If you want to say "You are driving me towards Satan."
With such mismash you are spewing where else is there to go then?
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The Word ADULT has more then one meaning. Many see it in regard to the age, But others see it as also having to do with Maturity. The Maturity is the one I was referring to.
YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO GROW UP.
Why don't you listen to plain english? Free has told you no several times, What part of the word don't you understand? 
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However, if he believes in the biblical event of the flood, then he must also believe that god (not for the first time) when against his own law - murdering children, unborn babies, and so on and so forth, because of the so called sins commited by those who had come before him
That was not the first time mass murder had been committed by him.
Again I ask you Ken: Why do we humans have a vestigial tail (tail bone) if we are not descended from a primate?
Cat got your tongue?
Or are you ignoring facts?
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Murder does not apply to God... He judges, and he is the only one true judge..
I believe Hitler used the same excuse when he was murdering people too...
My point, however, is whether or not Ken believes in it...you see, in his previous post, he said that to punish the son for the sins of the father went agains God's law (this is a direct contradiction, one of many in the bible, as elsewhere is says the exact opposite).
However, if he believes in the biblical event of the flood, then he must also believe that god (not for the first time) when against his own law - murdering children, unborn babies, and so on and so forth, because of the so called sins commited by those who had come before him.
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You can't compare what God does with what a person does, or did... People are not Gods... We can't think like God, and we can't understand everything he does...
Ok, Day off and I am a little calmer now. Hurricane Ken really tore up the forum. Disrespectful S.O.B. and then he has his cult member Christservant coming along for the ride. Anyways. I am disregarding what either of them have to say. Nothing positive. You'd really think that they would be alittle more compassionate and conciderate. Concidering that they Love God and blah blah blah. I would think that worshippers would be a little more polite. (not saying that all worshippers aren't just pin pointing two) Faeden is very sweet and gentle with his words and he believes in God. I respect that. I don't respect fools though. That is all for me for the moment. If I knew how to quote on this thing I would have tons more to say.
Always,
Free
Always,
Free
I agree Free... Us christians should be more compassionate and considerate.. I try to be... I try not to infringe on others beliefs, but I will always stand by mine...
QUOTE(Freespyryt24 @ Jan 26 2005, 03:07 PM)
Ok, Day off and I am a little calmer now. Hurricane Ken really tore up the forum. Disrespectful S.O.B. and then he has his cult member Christservant coming along for the ride. Anyways. I am disregarding what either of them have to say. Nothing positive. You'd really think that they would be alittle more compassionate and conciderate. Concidering that they Love God and blah blah blah. I would think that worshippers would be a little more polite. (not saying that all worshippers aren't just pin pointing two) Faeden is very sweet and gentle with his words and he believes in God. I respect that. I don't respect fools though. That is all for me for the moment. If I knew how to quote on this thing I would have tons more to say.
Always,
Free
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Free: Ken and Cs are so religious and narrow minded that they can not follow their own beliefs. according to them "God gave us free will" but they are trying so hard to MAKE YOU SEE THE LIGHT that at other times it might be even funny. Next time they run at the mouth just remind your self of the source and have a laugh.
Free, I think the best thing you can do in life is take every opportunity... live life to its fullest, be a good person, use good judgement, respect people, respect YOURSELF, and take care of yourself... find a family... whether it means becoming active in a local shelter, working as a big sister/brother... changing careers, whatever... there is something out there for you, but it won't find you... you must find IT. Good luck in all of your endeavors, and most of all, HAVE FUN!! (it really does a body good 
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Thank you bizee. I try to do the best I can in what ever I do. I am much happier now than I was in the past. I do volunteer alot of my time, whether it be to help out with my grandfather, friends kids, even raising Future Leader Dogs for the Blind. I have alot of good Karma points.
I respect people alot, regardless of their beliefs. They do not change the person or the soul of the person. The only thing that I cannot respect is when it shouldn't be given. Ex. Ken and christservant. They disrespected me in more ways than one. And telling me it is my fault for my past. And that all kids are born in sin. Now that is a horrible thing to say. Why have kids if they are already full of sin. Isn't that the devil knocking at your fetus?
I respect people alot, regardless of their beliefs. They do not change the person or the soul of the person. The only thing that I cannot respect is when it shouldn't be given. Ex. Ken and christservant. They disrespected me in more ways than one. And telling me it is my fault for my past. And that all kids are born in sin. Now that is a horrible thing to say. Why have kids if they are already full of sin. Isn't that the devil knocking at your fetus?
Maybe Ken and Christservant have issues in the closet that they need to get out and their beliefs will not let them. At least one has anyway.
Ashley I would believe in god, I really wouldnt mind if there was some proof apart from some 2000 year old guy that wrote some words in a book.
Whether it be dreams, seeing things, hearing things, scared, feeling a presence or having a a NDE its all psychological and all in the mind. there is so much proof for it
Just give me proper proof of gods existence then I'll happily worship him for the rest of my life
Whether it be dreams, seeing things, hearing things, scared, feeling a presence or having a a NDE its all psychological and all in the mind. there is so much proof for it
Just give me proper proof of gods existence then I'll happily worship him for the rest of my life
Freespyryt24, I must admit, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about....I have no idea what your 'past' is, and to be honest it's none of my business to know in the first place.
However, sometimes, life throws you curve balls...that happens. One bad event leads to another, and everyone has their moments when they feel they're at rock bottom (some more than most)...However, before I go off on a tangent, you're absolutely right...people who blame a person's poor situation for "sin" are one of two things: stupid, or very stupid
I do honestly try to be patient with religious people...I'll admit that religion in general has worn really thin on me lately, and I'm making less and less effort to be courtious (I usually just, very sarcastically, point out the gaping flaws and contradictions in their beliefs, for my own personal amusment)...however, I've got no patience, or respect, for blatant fundamentalists.
However, sometimes, life throws you curve balls...that happens. One bad event leads to another, and everyone has their moments when they feel they're at rock bottom (some more than most)...However, before I go off on a tangent, you're absolutely right...people who blame a person's poor situation for "sin" are one of two things: stupid, or very stupid
I do honestly try to be patient with religious people...I'll admit that religion in general has worn really thin on me lately, and I'm making less and less effort to be courtious (I usually just, very sarcastically, point out the gaping flaws and contradictions in their beliefs, for my own personal amusment)...however, I've got no patience, or respect, for blatant fundamentalists.
All men die for their own sins, through Christ. However, mankind dies because of Adam's sin--so don't be fooled.
Moreover, it is the afterlife which makes a man living, not this life which is dead to truth and Death.
Moreover, it is the afterlife which makes a man living, not this life which is dead to truth and Death.
Again I ask you Ken: Why do we humans have a vestigial tail (tail bone) if we are not descended from a primate?
For Ken or Christservant. Either one of you care to reply? Please feel free to.
For Ken or Christservant. Either one of you care to reply? Please feel free to.
HI all
Why dont we all just ignore the religious extremist types, what’s the point in talking to them? its pointless its like talking to someone who claims they are Elvis they are dilutional, talking to them is fruitless as they are mentally ill through brainwashing and the fear they have had stamped into there thinking. if we ignore them they will go away. They are unhappy souls and because of this they go around looking for other people to convert and make equally unhappy.
All the best
Faeden
Why dont we all just ignore the religious extremist types, what’s the point in talking to them? its pointless its like talking to someone who claims they are Elvis they are dilutional, talking to them is fruitless as they are mentally ill through brainwashing and the fear they have had stamped into there thinking. if we ignore them they will go away. They are unhappy souls and because of this they go around looking for other people to convert and make equally unhappy.
All the best
Faeden
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They are unhappy souls and because of this they go around looking for other people to convert and make equally unhappy.
That is right on the money!
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HI all
Why dont we all just ignore the religious extremist types, what’s the point in talking to them? its pointless its like talking to someone who claims they are Elvis they are dilutional, talking to them is fruitless as they are mentally ill through brainwashing and the fear they have had stamped into there thinking. if we ignore them they will go away. They are unhappy souls and because of this they go around looking for other people to convert and make equally unhappy.
All the best
Faeden
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Why dont we all just ignore the religious extremist types, what’s the point in talking to them? its pointless its like talking to someone who claims they are Elvis they are dilutional, talking to them is fruitless as they are mentally ill through brainwashing and the fear they have had stamped into there thinking. if we ignore them they will go away. They are unhappy souls and because of this they go around looking for other people to convert and make equally unhappy.
All the best
Faeden
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It is fanatics like them that strap a bomb on themselves or on a little baby, That did the crusades ect.
yeah so lets just ignore them, everyone’s entitled to there opinion, but when they are saying that people are raped because its there fault for being human, then its time to turn the other cheek (just as Jesus would do) and walk away.
I have known many fundamentalists and none of them are happy, they live in constant fear of "gods wrath". Where I live they come up to me trying to preach to me there fearful, hateful beliefs, and none of them ever smile or laugh or have fun, and tell them to smile it might never happen, and they just become more angry, its almost as if to them to get into heaven you need to be a grumpy unhappy person, that lives a life of suppression, and then cause others to be the same way. What’s wrong with just being a good person treating others how you would want to be treated, and living a happy and constructive life? Help others dont suppress them. God gave us the precious gift of life, dont waist it.
All the best
Faeden
I have known many fundamentalists and none of them are happy, they live in constant fear of "gods wrath". Where I live they come up to me trying to preach to me there fearful, hateful beliefs, and none of them ever smile or laugh or have fun, and tell them to smile it might never happen, and they just become more angry, its almost as if to them to get into heaven you need to be a grumpy unhappy person, that lives a life of suppression, and then cause others to be the same way. What’s wrong with just being a good person treating others how you would want to be treated, and living a happy and constructive life? Help others dont suppress them. God gave us the precious gift of life, dont waist it.
All the best
Faeden
I wished more people believed the way you do. 
This dust mote of a planet would be a lot better place for it. My hat (that I don't wear) is off to you.
This dust mote of a planet would be a lot better place for it. My hat (that I don't wear) is off to you.
Zandore, you're question's a little off....humans still are primates The highest level of one certainly, but we're still primates all the same.
The highest level of one certainly, but we're still primates all the same.
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Zandore, you're question's a little off....humans still are primates The highest level of one certainly, but we're still primates all the same.
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You are right but I was hoping Ken or Cs would try to answer it.
heres another one for Ken or CS...
If we are made in god's image... then god has a belly button. and why would god have a belly button?? Unless god made only adam and eve in his image, in which case, none of us are in his image... because we all have belly buttons.
If we are made in god's image... then god has a belly button. and why would god have a belly button?? Unless god made only adam and eve in his image, in which case, none of us are in his image... because we all have belly buttons.
Not to mention having to use the restroom................oops got to go!
QUOTE(Faeden @ Jan 26 2005, 02:14 PM)
HI all
Why dont we all just ignore the religious extremist types, what’s the point in talking to them? its pointless its like talking to someone who claims they are Elvis they are dilutional, talking to them is fruitless as they are mentally ill through brainwashing and the fear they have had stamped into there thinking. if we ignore them they will go away. They are unhappy souls and because of this they go around looking for other people to convert and make equally unhappy.
All the best
Faeden
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Why dont we all just ignore the religious extremist types, what’s the point in talking to them? its pointless its like talking to someone who claims they are Elvis they are dilutional, talking to them is fruitless as they are mentally ill through brainwashing and the fear they have had stamped into there thinking. if we ignore them they will go away. They are unhappy souls and because of this they go around looking for other people to convert and make equally unhappy.
All the best
Faeden
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So it is okay to listen to your beliefs and viewpoints, but not okay to listen to anybody else's because you don't believe in it? Why do you attempt to ralley against religion? It is not our fault the unreligious are pessimistic--in fact most people don't like listening to pessimists, and yet we listen to you.
What makes you so great?
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