i could just as easily say to my christian friends "why do we even talk to those darn non-believers... they are obviously missing something. They don't even believe in the Lord... they must be dilusional if they cannot see that He is real. Why are they always pushing evolution into our faces? Every time they come up with some "proof" they go crazy, and try to convert us. Why are they always preaching to us about how evolution is real, but when we say God is real, they blow up?They call us names, and say that we're ignorant.... we really should stop listening to those non-believers."

right faeden?

Jesus Freak makes a good point here Faeden... You can't expect people to listen to your side of things if you wont listen to thiers...

Seraphina. The Story of Noah's Ark is a similitude for the day of the corss, Same as the Creation story, Sodom and Gomorrah, and most of Genesis. They are the things FROM ANCIENT TIMES Which had not yet happened when Isaiah wrote:

(ISAIAH 46:10) Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel
shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: (KJV)

The Beginning is the Beginning of the new World the day of the Cross as Jesus declared "It is finished" at Golgotha.

Noah's Ark has two stories, they are loaded, the flood is upon the Water. THEN

(GENESIS 7:12) And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty
nights. (KJV)
(GENESIS 7:13) In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham,
and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives
of his sons with them, into the ark; (KJV)

The Second picture has the Lord SHUT HIM IN. which is the second picture for the day of the cross or Jesus in Hell (SHUT IN)

Same as the Creation story, man and woman made on the sixth day, then it goes to the story of Eden and seen again. In the DAY:

(GENESIS 2:4) These are the generations of the heavens and of the
earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the
earth and the heavens, (KJV)

Jesus is the ARK, we are in the ARK, the people as waters lift up the Ark. etc.

God making us all one does not violate Deuteronomy 24:16 of every man being put to death for His own sin. For when we are all as one, all guilty, With His STRIPES we are healed. Not by His death.

Jesus taking FUTURE SINS upon Himself, of His own freewill, THEN they are HIS SIN, So there a man is put to death for his own sin.

Now, Zandore and his TAILBONE. Does your tailbone wiggle when you are excited? Do your Eyeteeth see stright? Does your funny bone laugh? Did your getting WISDOM teeth make you smarter?

We put names on things so we can identify what we are referring to. You tell as Dentist you eyeteeth are bothering you, He will translate that to your cuspids.

If the so called Tail bone once had a tail, So what? God said He created man in His image, Sorry, Not a flesh one with or without a belly button.

The Creation story is the day of the cross, the US, "Let US create man in OUR Image." happens to be having mankind created in the BODY OF CHRIST. And it is Jesus And God doing it.

By one man sin entered the World, But ADAM is a Similitude for Jesus, the day of the cross is as 1,000 years, He is alive 930 of them as Adam, dead or desolate 70 as Jerusalem.

(JOHN 15:22) If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not
had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. (KJV)

God sent a Lying Spirit in 1-Kings 22:21/24. All the prophecies are as lies till they are fulfilled. They are all made TRUTH the day of the cross, not until.

So had Jesus not come, God's words would have never been made truth, and sin would not have applied.


As far as not having Compassion, You are RIGHT. I do not have compassion when I see someone working a controlled reaction to gain compassion. Was this not the reason for the thread in the first place? "Oh I had it so bad, God did not help me." Be nice to me, feel sorry for me, see how fragile I am, Look how bad God is. Look how much I went through."

So instead of being compassionate AFTER I saw what was being shown over and over, I saw a need for someone to grow up. And that is why the compassion was not there.

And I know I am not the only one who responded who has changed their view of Freespyryt.

God speaks in Similitudes, Through Jesus in parable. And I can tell a riddle every now and then.

There was a Town called Freespiritville. Everyone had a freespirit. One man and one woman met there. they loved and a Child was conceived. The man not willing to be less then a freespirit left. But there were others, and another freespirit came and a Baby brother was conceived. Freespirits came and left. Then a really FREEspirit came, He had no restraint at all.

He took what he wanted, Forget the laws. Forget who you hurt. But Judgmental spirit with a Gavel came and locked him up.

Now freespiritville still goes on, and they still cry unto God. And they still do not want to give up their habitation and move to a nearby city called Rules and regulations.

As long as everyone around wants to do as they please. No one wants to be a committing spirit. No one wants God unless it is to get them out of trouble where most were more then happy to live. Naturally the CHILDREN SUFFER. But lets look close at why? If you want to live without restrictions, Then do not restrict another.

I liked what I heard one minister say: "Sin takes you farther then you want to go, and keeps you longer then you want to stay."

Jesus took care of you sins, you never have to worry about them as accountable unto God. BUT, Here on earth. With FREESPIRITVILLE. Live there is you want. But God did show how you might live, If you want.

Now Harry Irving Vanburen has moved into Freespiritville, And He has had quite an effect on people. The Effect has been very positive. HIV Positive in fact. But, We can not hinder FREESPIRITS. So Go for it. Do your thing. Live how you want. And cry unto God. He might help you. He does love you, and will never forsake you. But that is your being His, and going to Him at death.

Ken

I accept and listen to anyone’s beliefs that are not hateful, or ones that claim people that are raped are so because they are being punished because of there sins, to me that’s sick and unnecessary.

Its simple.... extremists beliefs are harmful and hurtful to peoples beliefs and feelings it shows no compassion to the person they are directed at, I dont consider them worthy, its because of people like that, that so much evil in the world happens, so, cant be bothered with them. I dont wish them any bad or harm, I just wish to shunt them as they deserve to be.

I respect everyone’s beliefs, if they are based on love, or that dont judge others as evil just because there religious beliefs are different to there own.

All the best
Faeden

A true christians beliefs should be based on love... In the bible it clearly states God is love...
And people with beliefs different then mine, sure I think they are wrong, but I dont think those people are evil...

But those are just my beliefs...

I agree. God is love, and those who really don't see it that way...well, I love you . I would forgive you and respect your decision... .

Amen to that!!

Its good to see someone agrees with me lol

I respect anyones beliefs no matter what they are as long as they dont harm others, or them selves for that matter.

All the best
Faeden

Ken, you didn't answer the question (instead you just gave a very long winded sermon, that I have no interest in picking apart to see if there's anything coherant in it).

Instead, I shall ask the question again, and this time I shall expect a straight answer: Do you believe that the story of Noah occured and, therefore, do you believe that God murdered many millions of people with a global flood?

and the tail bone isntcalled "tail bone" because its a funny name, its called that way because its a vestigial tail bone, the base bone where the tail grow in our ancestors.

Seraphina.

I thought I had answered your question, There was no literal flood. Never happened.

Assuming the Mountains were as tall as they are now, that is 35 feet of water an hour for 40 days and 40 night. The Ark with one window that is covered would have been a death trap of methane Gas. It is not even physically possible.

Yes, God could have done it, He can bypass many things. But He did not physically flood the world.

(GENESIS 5:27) And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred
sixty and nine years: and he died. (KJV)

BUT, If you want to believe it happened, Ask yourself, How long could Methuselah, the oldest recorded person in Genesis tread water? Guess what year He died? Swim little fishy, Swim if you can. But it is a similitude, so he might have died from OLD AGE.

Seraphina, Understand this, God can kill, and He can make alive after that. God does not owe us an explination. And He doesn't even want one from us. Sorry for those of you planning on your day in Judgment hall. It happened the day of the cross. It ended in a Plea Bargain, Jesus for the world.


Now that Tailbone. So what? How God created mankind, If step by step, or all at once does not matter that much. But it is breathing the breath of life into man and man becoming a Living Soul is what does matter.

(GENESIS 2:7) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man
became a living soul. (KJV)

Notice the DUST. God likened the Seed of Abraham to the DUST. God formed Jesus from the Seed of Abraham. And created man in the BODY OF CHRIST born the day of the cross as seen in Psalms 2:6/7

Tails would come in very handy. Scientists chase them all the time. Then they would have a chance to catch their's. And also hanging upside down by their tail might give them a better view of God's creation.

Maybe God wanted us to search for the TAIL?

After all, His tail cast down a third of the stars. And he did not have a physical Tail to do it with.

(DEUTERONOMY 28:13) And the Lord shall make thee the head, and not
the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be
beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy
God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
(KJV)

(ISAIAH 9:14) Therefore the Lord will cut off from Israel head and
tail, branch and rush, in one day. (KJV)

Find the Tail yet? God also likened the Seed of Abraham to the Stars of heaven, the day of the cross as 3 pictures, a third of the stars are cast down in each picture.

Cast down to where we are, all equal before God.

Ken

i dont know waether i do or not, because of all tyhe bad things that have happen to people why there are people suffering why would a so called god make this happen.

take for instants apparently the world is changing rapidly thanks to this big tsunami and then i think maybe there is a god but hes just destroying what he created cause it hasnt gone right and everyone is selfish and he dosent like the way the world is going, but i just dont,
know how do you no?

you just dont

Ken you have to tell the truth before anyone will believe you and I am still waiting for an answer from you.
Thank you Mekorig but as I said to seraphina I wanted ken or Cs to TRY to answer it

The way I see it, if God were as powerful as he's given credit for, then he could just snap his fingers and...way hey! Happy times! Everyone's good, everything's happy...

Certainly no benevolent diety would force innocent people to suffer, because the world "isn't like he planned". Just one of the many reasons that make be believe god is one of two things: absolute fiction, or absolute evil.

Are you serious?!?!?! you actually believe that? We were formed out of dust. From the ground?!?!?! That must be one of the funniest things I have ever heard. Oops wait don't sneeze, I might blow away!
Man, I can't breathe.

P.s. Ken, I still hate you, I still think you are a schmuck. And sorry buddy, you don't have any good karma points, so off to hell you go. and by the way, nice trying to sneek in a little dumb story after a dumb sermon. Freespyrytville. Yeah, I have my own little city. Any one can come to visit, smoke all the cheeba you'd like, have fun, just stay way from the troll under the bridge, if Ken the troll bites you, you will get HIV and die. Don't cross the bridge at night.

is anyone going to attempt to answer my question?? or did it just get over looked??

Is this from your new translation of the Bible?

This one goes with the first question.

SHAME ON YOU KEN.
Making fun of your own Bible! I hope god makes you burn in Hell for that.

Yes but he also created Adam and Eve on the 6th day in Genesis 1:26-27. So is that 2 Adams 1 Eve or 2 Adams and 2 Eves?

Ken.... If you can LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY. Look up Psalms 2:6-7 KJV and read very carefully.
Psalms 2:6
Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. (KJV)
Psalms 2:7
I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day I begotten thee. (KJV)
You notice it does not say anything you said it did.
Do your self 3 favors:
1. Read the Bible better and quote it correctly.
2. Follow the teachings in the Bible.
3. Look up James 1:26, Memorize it and follow it through your life. You just might reach someone and make a difference.

Hows that Bizeebut?

zandore, you rock my world

If you don't believe in God, then why do you take offense to being called evil? I think it's hypocritical to judge religion by its own standards and words, when you yourself are unwilling to take it on, so as to have others judge you.

Evil are people like you who wish to shut us up, and then get annoyed whenever we speak of our own beliefs. You rudely decided it was okay to ignore me, and called me a religious extremist, and even judging me for admitting the truth of my own sins. Why then do you play the victim? We are all attempting to speak here, and for the record, I don't recall anyone saying she was raped for her own sins, so why don't you calm down and stop this charade?

You and Ken are extremists. The two of you try to force religion that you don't even have correct on us, wanting us to believe when we DO NOT WANT IT. How more plain or clear can we put it that you will understand?
KJV James 1:26:
If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless.
How many out there feel that this describes Ken and Christservant? Make a post stating.
PS get your reality check soon please.

First of all CS. If you would read what others had to say, I am pretty damn sure that Faeden does believe in God. He actually makes alot of sence to me.

And yes, Someone did say that I was raped for my sins. I was raped because of my sins in a past life. And if i can recall a few pages back it was either you or Ken.

I agree Zan, they are useless. I don't understand the whole statement though. I don't understand the bible. It is too confussing. It has like trick statements.

I'm mostly gonna rage against Ken and the like here... I just don't appreciate it when we are all trying to have civil conversation, and all we get in return is a response that preaches, or condemns...

Here's an example. The nation of Islam, by nature is very pious and peaceful. That is one way to read the qur'an and get the good message from it, the other is to take it so litterally as to cut off the head of people that don't accept Islam.

Sorry to break it to you, but theoretically there are the same two sects of christianity. There are the people that are peaceful and pious, and don't care what anyone else believes because they are taught not to judge, lest they be judged... And then there are those that judge for the sake of condemnation, which is against the teaching of their own bible.

I'd much rather have a conversation about anything religious with the peaceful members of both groups where I knew my life or sanity was not at stake.

If you want to SHOW others your beliefs, and try to convince them that your beliefs are better, perhaps you should not JUDGE and SMITE those that you are preaching to...

Its useless to razone whit a religious fundamentalist. They will try to put into your head their beliefs, and if you dont want to hear them, or you rebut their beliefs, they acusess you of "persecuting" then by their religion, or will ignore your points, or will keep preaching.

Thats like saying "If you dont believe in god, then why do you take offense when I call you a moron?"



You still dont get it do you? We dont care what you speak of, as long as you speak it the right way. We dont have any problem with your belief in the bible, we have a problem with your holier than thou attitude when you go around acting as if you know the truth, and everyone else doesnt.

well said bizee!

not true Mekorig, because some religious people on this board are quite reasonable and respectful... such as Nxt2hvn... and sometimes even Insight

You tell me what I did wrong, and I will see my error. So far you only hate that I speak truthfully concerning my beliefs--whereas you people openly and welcomely accept those who speak openly of their beliefs and knowledge in which they refute God. Why then am I being persecuted for giving you my knowledge?

Isn't this thread about God? Look at the title. Not only did the originator ask for insight, but I gave it. And now you tell me it is not welcome.

And, moreover, I am now being told that because I am uncertain if people are reincarnated and hold the effects of karma in their life, I somehow said she was raped for her past sins. Moreover, I didn't suggest she was raped for karma, I said she may have suffered for karma--meaning, a rich man born into poverty. She was complaining about having to eat government food and peanut-butter and jelly. Not only is this nothing to complain about (nor should anyone ever complain about their situation, for the truth is truth, and whining about it will not make it untrue), but it hardly has anything to do with being raped.
Moreover, the food you received is like a feast to some people in the world.

Also, I was asked specifically for my opinion if she was raped for her own sins or not, so don't tell me I am shoving anything down you throat. It is so apparent the hypocracy you have when you can speak openly of your atheism and denial of God, but when I speak truthfully and openly of my acceptance, devotion, and life of God, I am somehow offending you, and trespassing on you, and disrespecting you. Why is this so? Hypocrites!

You are like dogs sleeping in a manger. You neither eat the cattle's food, nor do you let the cattle eat.

Can't we all just settle our disputes at Megiddo...? Please...?

I did. You ignored it.



So, you're saying that its true that only the path including Jesus is right, and only your beliefs are right? Everyone else is wrong?

Quite an egotistical nut jub, arent you?



Would you stop ignoring us and do a little research into the matter? You'll notice we have no problems with people because of their beliefs. You dont see me ranting on SilverCougar because she believes in god(s)... You dont see me ranting on Joc because he's christian, do you?



Because you're passing off your belief as the truth



Your attitude is not welcome, thats right.



Go read our posts instead of ignoring them, hypocrite!

Hi CS. I am right here. I wrote started this topic. I am the one who had this past. Direct it to me. I am here now. I am not complaining or whining about my past, I am giving the rundown of my childhood experiences. They weren't all very happy as you have read. Haveyou had ever tasted powdered milk? (note: I am not complaining about the block cheese though, that was good!) Have you met your father? Have you lived in a car? Have you moved from house to house to house to house? Have you been tormented by classmates that you weren't good enough? Have you been raped? Have you been beaten? Have you seen your dog get beaten with a golf club? Have you seen the devil living in your house, sleeping in your mothers bed? Have you tried to take your own life so the devil behind bars couldn't? And the list goes on and on, but if I con't, you might think that I am complaining. I am just giving the personal reasons why I didn't believe in God. It is my therapy. This forum has helped me come to grasps with what I was feeling all of these years, and finally could come out and say something about it. Hopefully to protect others, and others children. Not to get tormented again and hurt from extremist holyrollers. You brought it onto yourself to have people dislike you CS. It is the way that you talk that offends people and gets their guard up. Once it is up, you are gonna have a real hard time taking it down. BTW Hypocrites. Pish posh.

No, you prance around with whitewashed tunics, attempting to appear righteous and fair, when in reality, although you claim not to be shutting me up for speaking the word of Christ, that is in fact what you are doing.

I am aware of your claims, and lies. So far you only have claimed, and so far you are wrong. I am allowed to speak truthfully concerning Christ and my knowledge of him and the fact that He is the Way--just as you attempt to speak truthfully regarding beliefs that conflict with mine. Why can you not respect other people, when they conflict with your beliefs, when you yourself propose things that conflict with ours?

Yes, I have my fair share of problems and things that make me messed up. Everyone has to cope with the demons. You come here, confessing your problems, looking for help, and when I give you help, acknowledging you and what you said, you instead wish to hear what you want to hear, and anything else beyond that I am somehow offending you.

You are wrong, and you know it. Why? Because if you came here looking to be truthful and confessing, you were looking for truth, consideration, and honesty in return. This is your thread, however, as I have begun many other threads here, you will find that although you originated it, that doesn't give you the right to cut people out of it, no matter how unfair you feel this limit holds.

However, for you, I will leave if you want me to, but I insist you are a fool if you honestly believe that confessing the truth, looking for help and consideration from other people means you aren't looking for truth and honesty in return. I gave it, and now you hate me for it. I attempt to speak on behalf of the word of God, learning from scripture and the people of the Bible, so if you are offended by the Bible, I suggest you stop beating around the bush and be honest with us. If you don't want to hear Christianity, I'd suggest you plain out admit that you are anti-Christian, and stop accusing me of being false or wrong. I gave you honesty, and when I was asked a question and answered the person, you now act as if I am somehow being rude.

If you ask, you shall receive.

whatever you sais CS...keep stuying your bible and dont bother the rest of the humanity.

Because people like you are better than people like me? You are right if you think you are better than me, but you are wrong if you think you are better than anyone else.

Now you are the one who is sounding closed minded... CS is simply telling his/her opinion... I think he should be allowed to do so...

So Mekorig, maybe you should follow your own advice...

Instead, it should be: WHY IS IT HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND GOD.
For that is the reason why many do not believe. Then, when we try to
help them understand, they turn their backs.


John 9:39-41
And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?"
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains.
(NKJ)

Fantastic quote! It certainly applies.

for the love of YOUR GOD, CS... quit while you are ahead!! ( and I don't mean that you really are ahead, just that you seem to want to always have the last flippin word!)

Honestly, I'm going to say this til I'm blue in the face, but how do you expect someone to take you seriously when you criticize them>? How are you spreading the word of LOVE when you keep spouting HATE>>

CUT IT OUT. Noone wants to hear you lecture, preach or belittle...

Constructive criticism is helpful.

Freespyryt24, i hope you have read into other religion also instead of just following your parents religion. it is also hard on us too. we want to "believe" or learn theories but there are so many factors out there that want us to believe only in god. might explain why you sometimes feel the way you do.

Oh grow up. I dont CARE if you talk about christ or if you believe in christ, but dont act as if your beliefs are facts, and we wont have problems. You're obviously too ignorant to go check other posts and see that I have no problem with people speaking of their beliefs.



Yes, you're right, and EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG.



Because I DONT CARE if your belief opposes mine! I dont want you going around saying that YOUR beliefs are facts whereas everyone ELSE is wrong.



And you think you understand god? Its funny how people come here claiming that you can understand god and speak for him. Maybe you dont understand, and thats why you believe? Ever think of that?

Edit; removed redundant quote.

Stellar, I will openly say that I think my beliefs are right, and everyone else's are wrong... That doesn't mean I think people that believe other things are bad people, it just means I disagree with them... If I didn't say I thought they were wrong I would be forsaking my beliefs... Obviously you don't believe in what I do... In my mind and heart I think your wrong, but I dont think your a bad person for that... I still listen to what others believe, and I am always respectful of others... But what would be the point of having faith in something if I didn't have complete faith in it? There would be no point at all if I called myself christian and still thought in my mind that I might be wrong...

There is nothing wrong with thinking you are right and others are wrong... The problem arises when you lose respect for people that believe differently...

[QUOTE][quote=christservant,Jan 27 2005, 04:43 PM]
You tell me what I did wrong, and I will see my error. So far you only hate that I speak truthfully concerning my beliefs--whereas you people openly and welcomely accept those who speak openly of their beliefs and knowledge in which they refute God. Why then am I being persecuted for giving you my knowledge?[/QUOTE]
Yews you gave it and gave, gave, gave, gave. Did it ever occur to you that there was a limit before it became to much?

[QUOTE]Isn't this thread about God? Look at the title. Not only did the originator ask for insight, but I gave it. And now you tell me it is not welcome.[/QUOTE]
Please refer to above response.

[QUOTE]And, moreover, I am now being told that because I am uncertain if people are reincarnated and hold the effects of karma in their life, I somehow said she was raped for her past sins. [/QUOTE]
Look back at some of yours and Kens posts and read it for yourself.

[QUOTE]Also, I was asked specifically for my opinion if she was raped for her own sins or not, [/QUOTE]
Again refer above.

[QUOTE]so don't tell me I am shoving anything down you throat. It is so apparent the hypocracy you have when you can speak openly of your atheism and denial of God, but when I speak truthfully and openly of my acceptance, devotion, and life of God, I am somehow offending you, and trespassing on you, and disrespecting you. Why is this so? Hypocrites![/QUOTE]
Not so much you, but you and Ken need to look at yourselves and learn the Bible that you preach from a little better.

[QUOTE]You are like dogs sleeping in a manger. You neither eat the cattle's food, nor do you let the cattle eat.
[right][snapback]465961[/snapback][/right][/QUOTE]
The both of you sound like the Pharisees.
Mt 23:27
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness(KJV)
She asked for opinions and you gave ONE. For that I think she was grateful, but then you over did it and it began to be more pain(?) then helpful. Let her heal in peace. The first step to healing is to accept what has happened and not to blame yourself. If she is ever to find God it will be on her time and in her own way.

I have no problem with that. Wanna know why? Because of the key word:

"Stellar, I will openly say that I think my beliefs are right, and everyone else's are wrong..."

Exactly my friend... I only speak for myslef...

I would have a problem if you said something like this:

"Stellar, I will openly say that my beliefs are right, and everyone else's are wrong..."

My, my, my. Where shall I begin? Hmmm. Here is good.



Nah, I like it my way better but thanks for the input. No one will ever fully understand God. If you say you do than tsk. tsk. on you. If you understand God, than you understand life and all of its extremities, mide as well go and solve all the unexplained mysteries out there too.



Ragin: your probably right on that. I have searched for answers in other religions and beliefs, but nothing makes sence and there are soooo many religions out there, who is to say which one is right? The world may never know.

As for CS, I will say it slower for you... Most. of. us. on. here. do. not. hate. others. for. their. beliefs. or. religions. I. accept. that. you. are. trying. to. be. honest. but. you. come. off. as. a. complete. schmuck. Read. and. understand. before. you. start. to. bash. on. anyone. on. here. You'll. make. more. friends. than. foes. and. people. will. eventually. like. you. again.
Better?

Always,
Free

I understand what you are saying Stellar... I'm glad I would say that... Because as I said before, I can only speak for myself...