I figured out very quickly that pushing something on someone wont accomplish anything good...

I think I know enough about my own beliefs to talk about anything refering to them...
And I don't ever try to preach... Unless someone whats to hear the word of God, then I am more then happy to... Preaching is kinda like pushing your views on someone, and I dont do that...

If certain other nameless ones.... could understand that then they might have a better time here and possibly convert some but they got to be less offensive.
I am trying not to upset any one.

I hear ya... And I don't think anyones getting upset... If they are they need to find somewhere else to spend free time... lol

Yea

My point is that if you are willing to stand by everything in the bible, you should be stoning those that do not believe in your religion(Same goes for Islam), and killing gays. Owning slaves is OK too if they are from another country. Women are not allowed to speak in church and if they have questions they must wait to ask their husbands or fathers at home...

Just pointing out the fact that there is a lot of wackiness in the bible...

Oh I agree... There is alot of stuff in the bible I dont understand...
Like I said before... Old testament = God is pissed off... lol New Testament = we are saved through Gods love...

If it gives a person hope than what is wrong with whatever religion they follow?

To each their own I don't like it but that is not a reason to do that to them.

Owning another human is never "OK"!

There is no difference between the sexes other that the obvious ones. One sex should not have more rights than the other.
PS I am a male

Refer to my first line
Thank you for the answer Sir.

HMM.......Do you mean that God realized he made a mistake with his bad attitude and changed?

god can't make a mistake can he/she/it?

Alot of stuff changed when Jesus came... Old Testament-New Testament... Wouldn't have a new unless the old needed to change...

Jesus would have never owned a slave... He would have never stoned anyone... He would have never killed a gay person...
I stand by the bible, as a christian... But I try to live my life according to the teachings of Jesus... His message was love...

But thats just how I see it...

LBD, I have a new respect for you... I appreciate your sensitivity and message, and I'm sure many others around here do as well.

Same thing I said.

Well thank you all!!!

What ever this guy was talking about it kind of fits right now.

I wish I did know what he was talking about there... lol

Freespyryt.

Souls trying to come back? God sent Jesus back, He is the First begotten of the Dead, and He is the FIRST and He is the LAST. He is the ONLY one who was reincarnated. Am I am taking at Bethlehem. He rose from the dead, He was not reincarnated from the dead after Golgotha.

Zandore, Sorry, I did not edit my Bible. I studied it, and God speaks in Similitudes, so there did not have to be a physical global flood. And as Isaiah 46:10 shows, “From ancient times, Things that are not yet done.” When Isaiah wrote that verse, the flood had not yet happened. It is a similitude for the day of the cross.

When by Water (Living water or God’s word) mankind was destroyed, or when Jesus said “No man cometh unto the Father but by Me.” and God concluded all in unbelief we are all spiritually dead. Gurgle, Gurgle. Noah is also a similitude, for the time periods. The day Noah as one picture, the day seen as 3 pictures or as 3 sons, Evening and morning seen as husband and wife.

As far as the Warning in Revelation, Don’t worry too much, You can not add or take away from it. Impossible:

(ECCLESIASTES 3:14) I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be
for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it:
and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. (KJV)

This is a bit hard to explain. All the prophecies, the similitudes, the visions, the dreams are for the day of the cross, they are seen as lies or as unclean till they are all fulfilled the day of the cross by being seen doubled twice or as 3 pictures, so all Truth is established THEN, Nothing can be added to TRUTH now. For TRUTH is not just what is true, But what God established as Truth.

As far as my being able to SAVE MY SOUL. God would not have been irresponsible enough to leave the salvation of mankind in our own hands. For by grace are we saved, Through Faith, and that nor of ourselves, it is a gift of God.

Jesus rendered to mankind His righteousness seen in Job 33:26, God placed on Jesus the iniquity of us all in Isaiah 53:6. So all sin as accountable unto man has been dealt with at Golgotha when Jesus took Future sins upon Himself. And the SHEEP being the wicked seen in Jeremiah 12:1/3 has the righteousness of Christ, So we all as SHEEP who went astray fed the hungry, clothed the naked etc, because Christ’s righteousness has come upon us.

The Goats seen as His battle horse in Zechariah 10:3/6 then seen as if He had not cast them off, so all mankind is saved by grace. God concluding all in unbelief.

Fulfilling Daniel 9:24's making and end of sin, and bringing in everlasting righteousness. That is why Jesus took the Baptism of repentance from John, Not that He needed it, He was preparing what we needed when He from the cross would render unto man His righteousness.

Lightbeyondthedark.

True Christians? Cute trick to stand behind every word of the Bible, it contridicts.

Daniel 9:24 shows He made an end of sin, Brought in everlasting righteousness, it has a SEAL the disciples and Paul never got past to see sin ended as Accountable unto man. Luke 18:31 shows Daniel 9:24 had to be fulfilled the day of the cross when all things written by the prophets concerning Jesus was fulfilled.

The Old Testament shows the Jots and Tittles Jesus had to fulfill, Jesus did not have to fulfill what Peter, or Paul thought He has accomplished. He did have to fulfill what Daniel, Hosea, Isaiah said to the smallest point, For God had inspired them to predict in detail just what God would do with Jesus the day of the cross. Point by point, precept by precept, line by line, Here a little, there a little. Till all was fulfilled. “It is finished.”

“At the mouth of Two or Three witnesses.” Always written as “2 or 3" for it is spoken twice, the brought to pass as the Third witness, so not 2, not 3, has to be two or three.

So where ever two or three are gathered together in My Name, there am I in the Midst, the Midst is the day seen as 7 time periods, the Fourth or the Midst is noon to sunset, as Jesus died on the cross, “In the Midst of the Week, He causes the Daily sacrifice to cease.” Or God does not get another sin offering, another burnt offering, Etc, Jesus ended it.

Jesus came as a THIEF, “Will a man rob God?” Where in have we robbed you? IN tithes and offerings. (Get the picture yet?) The priests and ministers love the “will a man rob God?” sermon just before the plate is passed.

One of the problems with being a Christian is many see what beliefs should be, instead of what the Christian really has for beliefs. Many see God very different. Find out what the person believes, the check if they go by that.

The Old Testament makes God look BAD? And the New Testament makes God look GOOD?, CUTE, God showed in the Old Testament Jesus had to make an end of sin and bring in everlasting righteousness. Which He did, But what does the New Testament say? A lot of ERROR. The Disciples and Paul did not know Jesus ended sin, so because of the SEAL in Daniel 9:24 which worked just as God wanted, they spoke error, and they believed many people would not be saved, neither knowing the love nor the grace of God.


Zandore. Remember to speak Truth, The Person is not NAMELESS, You just did not want to mention the name.

Jesus APPEARS nameless, NONE declareth, NONE showeth, When I called, NONE did answer, there is NONE beside Me. NONE can by any means redeem His brother.

And you might go FARTHER, and find out God gave Jesus as SURNAME, Go for NONE ELSE.

(DEUTERONOMY 4:35) Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know
that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him. (KJV)

My God plays word games,

Pushy? But why do you think God likened it to a winepress. We are the Grapes, and the wine of the wrath of God is the Blood of Christ which joins us all as one.

(LUKE 16:16) The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. (KJV)

I do not see not preaching as an option, That is what Following Christ is all about, and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Sharing Jesus Christ is not a burden, it is a joy. We can see hunger, we can see poverty, we can also see need. Even if the one with the need can not see it.

If you believe a Christian does you an injustice by trying to share the love of God with you, Remember, the final conclusion comes at death. Then if you happen to see a broken down gate, with a lot of people standing around. Ask them if they had been in hell? And when they tell you they were, and the Love of God and Christ had set them free, and now they bear witness to that love by speaking to the enemies in the gate.

Don’t worry that you were wrong down here, Go in an enjoy yourself, Your Home. You have many loved ones waiting for you. Welcome to Heaven, the BROKEN GATE? He openeth and no man shutteth.

Let He who is without sin cast the first stone. (Now I know what the Meteorites are all about)

God knew a long time ago, that He had grace planned for mankind:

(GENESIS 6:3) And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive
with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an
hundred and twenty years. (KJV)

At Midnight Jesus took the sin of the world, The Disciples were without sin, But sin to Jesus was as a millstone tied around His neck, and He was cast into the sea. The Sea is the Gathering together of the people as waters.

When the Second angel sounds in Revelation it is Midnight, the start of the second 6-hour period. A Great mountain buring with fire is cast into the sea. Mount Zion listed in Scripture as those who Trust in the lord, and Jesus is trusting. He is the Mountain, and God's word seen like as a fire in Jeremiah 23:29.

So the Disciples with FAITH like a Mustard seed (A mustard seed has no faith) say unto the Mountain, "Be Thou removed and cast into the sea." Actually it was more like "You want Non-Jews? Go and get them, We're out of here."

The Disciples were multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11, and to get Multiplied, they had to HATE Him without a Cause, and Jesus reaching for non-Jews was the cause.

(PSALMS 38:19) But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong:
and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied. (KJV)

(DEUTERONOMY 1:11) (The Lord God of your fathers make you a
thousand times so many more as ye are, and bless you, as he hath
promised you!) (KJV)

(PSALMS 91:7) A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand
at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. (KJV)

The right hand is the first 6-hours as the ten disciples fled from the Garden, Peter is the 1,000 at His side, Judas was doing what God directed, not seen as falling.

(ZECHARIAH 11:13) And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the
potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the
thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house
of the Lord. (KJV)

All is not quite as it appears, Search it out yourself.

Ken

What are you trying to say here?
What cute trick?

The Cute Trick is to stand behind every word in Scripture.

OK, You take the Scriptures. And you are telling people about them. How can you stand behind the Bible saying in Luke 18:31 that Jesus would fulfill all the Prophets wrote about Him when He went up to Jerusalem, Seeing that would include Daniel 9:24's making an end of sin, and bringing in everlasting righteousness.

THEN go and tell they what they have to do as a SINNER? to be saved?

Daniel 9:24 had to be fulfilled, that is one of the Jots and tittles. But it has a SEAL, it was fulfilled, the Disciples and Paul never got past the seal, so the ERROR they spoke was established by the SEAL.

It is like Peter saying He would not deny Jesus. You have to take it all in. Also the part where Jesus said He would, and God foretold not only that Peter would deny Him, But Peter would curse Jesus doing it, and the Bird had his part.

(ECCLESIASTES 10:20) Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and
curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall
carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.
(KJV)

(MATTHEW 26:74) Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know
not the man. And immediately the c*** crew. (KJV)

Peter not only cursed, He cursed Jesus.

Ken

Ok... I am sorry, but as a christian I have trust in my God... The bible is the word of God, so I stand behind it... All of it... Its not some cute trick for your amusement, its where my faith is...

You want "cute tricks" balance a ball on your nose...

then the world is the center of he universe, the sky is held up by structures and the world is flat

ahwell


Do you stand by that?

do you?

well your the person that stands by the word of the bible. GOD does not lie, does he?

so tell me. do you stand by these things

-earth is the center of the universe
-the sun goes around the earth
-the world is flat
-the sky is help by structures, like a tent.

?

Not familiar with those verses in the bible, so I can't really comment on that... sorry...

oh yes, god made the world was flat... until the 7th day when he rested... he took a gander and said "oh crap... should have made that thing round..." j/j

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

Didnt the earth move a few inches after the tsunami the other week ?




Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)

Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)

Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)

Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22

A CIRCLE IS NOT a sphere, its not a ball. a circle is FLAT

I dont think so... I believe the rotation may have altered a little but thats it...


HAHA!!!
Your trying to say that God says the earth is flat from those verses?
Thats funny...
Nice try to prove a point there buddy... But I think you came up a little short...

I dont know why I even bother... you cant even read and understand them verses properly.

Anyway. Check out this article.. HAHA

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm

Heres a few parts from it:

You can't orbit a flat earth," says Mr. Johnson. "The Space Shuttle is a joke--and a very ludicrous joke."

His soft voice carries conviction, for Charles Johnson is on the level. He believes that the main purpose of the space program is to prop up a dying myth--the myth that the earth is a globe.

"Nobody knows anything about the true shape of the world," he contends. "The known, inhabited world is flat. Just as a guess, I'd say that the dome of heaven is about 4,000 miles away, and the stars are about as far as San Francisco is from Boston."

This is what the bible tells it as

Sky held up by Structures is an easy one, Solid core, Molten core, Crust, and then the Sky.

The Earth was cursed because of sin, God speaks in Similitudes. When Jesus took the sin of the world, all the Curses fell upon Jesus. So the Earth is destroyed by fire, and God's word is like as a fire in Jeremiah 23:29. Which was fulfilled at Golgotha.

Now we need to FASTEN the EARTH.

God is likened to a GOLDSMITH.

(ISAIAH 40:18) To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness
will ye compare unto him? (KJV)
(ISAIAH 40:19) The workman melteth a graven image, and the
goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
(KJV)

(ISAIAH 41:7) So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he
that smootheth with the hammer him that smote the anvil, saying, It
is ready for the sodering: and he fastened it with nails, that it
should not be moved. (KJV)

The EARTH was fastened with 3 nails at Golgotha, and the Carpenter told the Goldsmith "Thy will be done."

The Foundation of the World is a Cross at Golgotah. The Lamb is slain from the Foundation of the World. New world that is. When Jesus said "It is FINISHED" that is the BEGINNING.

(ISAIAH 46:10) Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel
shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: (KJV)

(JOB 38:4) Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the
earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. (KJV)

Answer is: "Hanging on a cross outside Jerusalem."

The Four corners of the World is the day of the cross as 4 6-hour periods, He divides then into corners or Kingdoms.

Isaiah 11:12 is the Cross is the Insign, and the first picture as 4 6-hour periods is complete. Or the first picture as 4 beasts with 6-wings is complete or gathered. It is also the river in the Garden of Eden, another similitude, the river is divided into 4 heads. People as waters. Jesus as the Ark, the Waters lift up the Ark.

God doubles twice to establish His words, so the FOUR corners, the FOUR Angels, the FOUR winds is all the first picture as 4 6-hour periods:

(MATTHEW 10:35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his
father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in
law against her mother in law. (KJV)

This is three pictures of a House divided, established for the day of the cross when God with eyes too pure to look upon Iniquity, and Jesus with the sin of the world is a HOUSE DIVIDED.

Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

Jesus made the EARTH, At Death on the cross, Cried from the End of the Earth when His heart is overwhelmed. Jesus ends sin, or the wicked is shaken out of it, as Jesus is the EARTH, What is known as the DEATH RATTLE, or EARTHQUAKE as His body shakes at death, and sin is NO MORE (Daniel 9:24)

Jeremiah 16:19, Jesus is reaching for all mankind, Gentiles also. Body of Christ seen born the day of the cross in Psalms 2:6/7 given the heathen as an inheritance, so Gentiles also saved by grace. This is the parable of the Barns, not just the lost sheep of the house of Israel, But build bigger barns and reach and save all mankind.

The day as 4 6-hour periods, Sunset to Midnight as Old Heaven, Midnight to sunrise is Old earth, Heaven and earth flee from His face, the Face of the third beast with 6-wings is the FACE OF A MAN. Sunrise to noon is New Earth, Noon to sunset is New heaven.

144 with Judas, seen as a wall in Rev 21:17 added the Cubit or reached angel status, Gather all things that offend (Jesus with all sin) from one end of heaven to the other, from one end of the Earth to the other.

Welcome to the BIBLE, God uses Similitudes:

Ken

I know why I try... Because people such as yourself read those verses and dont understand them...

What does a sphere look like when your looking at it? It looks like a circle to me, you only know its a true sphere when you rotate it and discover it has dimension...

And that article is pretty laughable...

I dont see those verse saying the earth is flat, at all... But you see them as you wish...

The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)

NO matter HOW high the tree is, how the **** can you see the whole earth ?!?!? lol

Well in my opinion, This "tree" represented Nebuchadnezzar as the leader of the world empire of Babylon.
"The tree grew large and strong... " In one of Nebuchadnezzar's building inscriptions, Babylon is compared to a spreading tree.
"Its top reached to heaven, and was visible to the end of the world..." Babylon was the world empire for some time... That would been seen to the ends of the earth..


but this just my opinion...

ken
Do you stand corrected now?

[QUOTE][quote=Ken1Burton,Jan 30 2005, 01:50 AM]


Zandore, Sorry, I did not edit my Bible. I studied it, and God speaks in Similitudes, so there did not have to be a physical global flood. And as Isaiah 46:10 shows, “From ancient times, Things that are not yet done.” When Isaiah wrote that verse, the flood had not yet happened. It is a similitude for the day of the cross.[/QUOTE]
"similitude" Like reading anything you want into the Bible?


[QUOTE]As far as the Warning in Revelation, Don’t worry too much, You can not add or take away from it. Impossible[/QUOTE]
1 Chr 29:29
Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,(KJV)
2 Chr 9:29
Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?(KJV)
2 Sam 1:18
Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the long bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jashar.(KJV)
Impossible you say?

[QUOTE](ECCLESIASTES 3:14) I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be
for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it:
and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. (KJV)[/QUOTE]
Even if you quoted right this time (I did not look it up) I would say that either you are wrong or something else is.

[QUOTE]This is a bit hard to explain. All the prophecies, the similitudes, the visions, [/QUOTE]
Then spare us please, Some of us are tired of hearing you.

[QUOTE]As far as my being able to SAVE MY SOUL. God would not have been irresponsible enough to leave the salvation of mankind in our own hands. For by grace are we saved, Through Faith, and that nor of ourselves, it is a gift of God.[/QUOTE]
LET US DECIDE IF WE WANT

[QUOTE]Lightbeyondthedark.

True Christians? Cute trick to stand behind every word of the Bible, it contridicts.[/QUOTE]
This is what you are doing ken

[QUOTE]One of the problems with being a Christian is many see what beliefs should be, instead of what the Christian really has for beliefs. Many see God very different. Find out what the person believes, the check if they go by that.[/QUOTE]
Thank you sir I could not have said it better my self

[QUOTE]Zandore. Remember to speak Truth, The Person is not NAMELESS, You just did not want to mention the name.

Jesus APPEARS nameless, NONE declareth, NONE showeth, When I called, NONE did answer, there is NONE beside Me. NONE can by any means redeem His brother.[/QUOTE]
I WAS NOT REFERRING TO Jesus and I try to always speak the truth do you?
One other thing do not believe me on these verses look them up your self.

Zandore.

Some of what you are saying does not make sense to me.

I know who NAMELESS is, and it was not referring to Jesus. I was just having a little fun seeing you would not use the name.

The verses you quoted of things written in the different books, What point were you trying to make?

Prophecies have similitudes, But the day of the cross is when those prophecies are made truth. The Virgin birth at Bethlehem is a Similitude, but the prophecy is fulfilled the day of the cross.

There will also be future similitudes. Like the Nation of Israel looking upon Him whom they have pierced. in 2029 ad they will see Jesus is the Messiah, But the day of the cross they fulfilled the prophecy for looking on Him whom they had pierced.

The day of the cross is a day taken out of time, the name of tht day is FOR EVER. For ever and ever is the day of the cross and everlasting future. All prophecies are fulfilled in that FOR EVER.

(2SAMUEL 7:12) And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep
with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall
proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:13) He shall build an house for my name, and I will
stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:14) I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he
commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with
the stripes of the children of men: (KJV)

(ECCLESIASTES 3:14) I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be
for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it:
and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. (KJV)


Whatever God does, He did it the day of the cross which is called "FOR EVER" and it is established as Truth that day.

Ken

Zandore.

OK, I see what you were saying. That no one can take away fro what God does, and you were listing books which our versions of Scripture do not contain.

God multiplied visions for a reason. Over and over, in Jeremiah, in Job, in Daniel, in Hosea, they are all looking at the day of the cross. Even if some of the books are not included in our versions, the Similitudes are still there written by other prophets.

Daniel's four beasts are seen in Hosea 13:7/8. Ezekiel's four creatures are seen in the book of revelation 4:7. And to make it even better, all four pictures is the day of the cross seen as 4 6-hour periods. And they are seen in many other places in Scripture. God made sure we would not miss anything.

Job 3:3/6 where "Let the Day perish wherein I was born (day of the cross as the Birth of the Body of Christ) is also seen in Jeremiah as He curses the day of Birth.


Psalms 91 shows the disciples multiplied by 1,000 in deuteronomy 1:11 falling, 10,000 fall at His right hand, Right hand is sunset to Midnight, it is doubled in Daniel and it is seen as ten thousand times ten thousands. Moses spoke of "The Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints. Jude spoke of the the Lord Coming with ten thousands of His saints.

Jesus spoke of He could pray unto the Father and He would give Him more then 12 legions of Angels, Multiply 12 Disciples times 1,000= 12 Legions. He did pray.

Over and over, Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little. (Isaiah 48:10)

Ken

What if I want to fight your god and kick his *** . how Do I go about that...

You hear that GOD?

Im waiting for you buddy...

( sorry if any of you are offended to that, this is between me and *god*. Im just doing an experiment )

Ha Ha... That actually made me laugh...

In the time it took you to even think that, God had kicked your ass a 1000x's over... lol

No god is kind, Im below him, he knows I dont understand, hes forgiving.

after all hes a good god right?

I wonder how many Christians smoke and drink

Oh this is true... God is kind... We have been forgiven through Jesus' blood...

But when I said "In the time it took you to even think that, God had kicked your ass a 1000x's over..." I was just kidding...
There is nothing you can do to make God stop loving you...
Doesn't matter if you believ in him... Doesn't matter if you don't love him, or trust in him... He is always going to you, no matter what you do...
Really you shouldn't be calling out to him for a fight, you should be calling to him for his love...

But thats just my humble opinion... I speak only for myself...

*raises hand*
right here bud!

I wish I could delete posts...

*request this post deleted*

p.s. this post was not an intention of counter-debate against response to a desagreement/statement

Isnt that a sin... You are harming your body that * god * gave you.

I am not at all religious and I dont drink or smoke or take any drugs... I dont make that decision for a *GOD* I make it for myself, because I value life and want to be healthy


and my test didnt work.


Dammit!

Whoa.

Smoke and drink all you want. Nothing from without defileth a man.

And as far as wanting to kick God's ass. His Donkey or His behind? He did not tell us to turn the other cheek for nothing. He will do the same thing. I do not think you understand how much He loves you. If venting your anger out on Him will get it out of you, He will willingly go for it.

God is omni-present, He is also Omni-concerned for you. It has never ceased since you were conceived. Nor will it cease, At death you will remember and turn unto Him. But He really wants you to have a relationship with Him as soon as possible. This moment is not too soon.

What ever you do, PLEASE do not choose to come to God, or to Christ. Wait till you see there is NO CHOICE. That you love God and it will not go away, Then RUN to Him. For what we choose today, we often change that choice tomorrow.

Ken

I tried it myself and I am still here. No offence taken and none intended Whoa.

Hi all, Its Free.

Interesting reading here. Didn't think too much controversy would come about here. Anyways. I jsut wanted to reply to Ken's Dumb A..

Ok you don't make any sence to me... Before (pages and pages way back) you said that I must have done something wrong in my past life to deserve what happened to me, But now you say only Jesus can be reincarnated. Hmm... Contradicting yourself. Do you even know what reincarnation is?

We are in 100% agreement!

Free... He "seems to be so wrapped up in the Bible" and not getting it right at times that it can almost be funny.

I really dont think drinking and smoking is a sin, when done with moderation... When those things take over your life, and start taking your sight away from God, thats when they become bad...

But thats just my humble opinion...

I think the majority of christian go against the bible.

IM pretty sure that the bible says not to get drunk ! and how many people in the world do that ?


The Bible teaches Christians that you are to be clean and holy -- spirit, soul and body. Our bodies are called the "temple of the Holy Spirit". Every Christian is accountable to God for the condition of his body.


A lot of christians smoke and drink.

sad

Looks like not all christians truely understand or go by the word of god.


I believe in science, I keep my body healthy and clean