lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 06:41 PM
The main idea behind christianity is love...
Its sad when christians forget that, and turn away from the way they should live...
Sounds like those parents should be more ashamed of thier own actions, then of thiers daughters...
just my thoughts on the matter...
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 06:42 PM
QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ Feb 1 2005, 05:00 PM)
Seraphina,
Oh, I have alot of questions for God... But I also accept the fact that I probably wouldn't understand the reasons even if they were told to me...
And what you call "blind faith", I call "true faith"... I give my complete trust in God, but that doesn't mean I dont have questions. I ask God about 100 questions a day, some are answered, some are not... But I always know that my faith is still true. I still know that no matter what questions I may have, and no matter what I dont understand, God does understand it all. He understand I have questions, he understands what people think, and how we are. I personally think God would be dissapointed with us if we didn't ask questions, its in our nature...
I also don't think Nxt2Hvn was saying your going to go to hell... But really if you think God is evil, why would you want to eternity with him?
just my opinions...

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Would I follow a God that cast judgement down on his creations? Yes...
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I believe in creationism... and see evolution as an attempt to abolish creationism... and that is my conclusion.
That LBD is blind faith
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 06:44 PM
Like I said, what some call "blind faith" I call "true faith"... My heart and mind have lead me to the faith I have today...
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 06:48 PM
Do you really keep an open mind of what MIGHT BE or WHAT MIGHT NOT BE? That was not a question I am expecting an answer for but answer your self.
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 06:50 PM
There is only one thing I am completely sure of in my life... That God is there, and I have nothing to fear...
Other then that I am completely openminded...
but I only speak for myself...
Nxt2Hvn
Feb 1 2005, 06:52 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Feb 1 2005, 06:48 PM)
Do you really keep an open mind of what MIGHT BE or WHAT MIGHT NOT BE? That was not a question I am expecting an answer for but answer your self.
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Not directed toward me.. but what the hay.. I will answer...
Of course I wonder what might be or might not be.... but in conclusion I always turn to my "faith".... and silly as that might sound... it is something that someone without faith will never understand....
Here is a way to look at it..... a non-believer cannot understand what it is like to be a believer just as a man can not understand what it is like to be a woman.
Maybe not the perfect analogy... but that is the first thing that came to mind. Only difference is... a man will never know how it feels to be a woman... but a non-believer can with what you call "blind faith" can know how to be a believer.
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 06:53 PM
Then you have blind faith.
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 06:55 PM
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a non-believer cannot understand what it is like to be a believer just
I used to believe so I do know what it like Nxt2hvn
Ido know.
Nxt2Hvn
Feb 1 2005, 06:56 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Feb 1 2005, 06:55 PM)
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a non-believer cannot understand what it is like to be a believer just
I used to believe so I do know what it like Nxt2hvn
Ido know.
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Once you believe.... and are
truly a Christian... you don't just stop believing
So obviously you don't
really know
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 06:56 PM
I can say it over and over agian if you want me too... I dont call it that... I didn't come to have faith I have blindly... I had my eyes wide open... Maybe that why I have the faith I do, because my eyes were open...
just my humble opinion...
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 06:58 PM
QUOTE(Nxt2Hvn @ Feb 1 2005, 12:52 PM)
Here is a way to look at it..... a non-believer cannot understand what it is like to be a believer just as a man can not understand what it is like to be a woman.
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I like that... Makes sense to me..
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 07:03 PM
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Once you believe.... and are truly a Christian... you don't just stop believing
So obviously you don't really know
I had my eyes opened some years ago. I really truly believed with my mind body and soul. But now I see.
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 07:07 PM
Well I have said before, the only reason I say "I believe" is because I really not looking to offend anyone by say "I know"...
To me God is as real as the air I breathe, or the water I drink... When I breathe in, I know air is entering my lungs... Just like when I pray, I know God hears me...
Just my beliefs though...
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 07:32 PM
QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ Feb 1 2005, 07:07 PM)
Well I have said before, the only reason I say "I believe" is because I really not looking to offend anyone by say "I know"...
To me God is as real as the air I breathe, or the water I drink... When I breathe in, I know air is entering my lungs... Just like when I pray, I know God hears me...
Just my beliefs though...

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As I told you before I respect you for your attitude and behavior (you don't preach/ hammer) but I did once not now.
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 07:34 PM
Well thanks zandore... And I respect you as well...
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 07:37 PM
Do you want some religious reading? Try Rabbi Jesus. If you need the authors name I can find it for you.
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 07:39 PM
I got about all the religious reading I can take from my bible.. lol
I'm not a big reader... haha
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 07:46 PM
A biography if you will. It deals with the birth, life and death of Jesus with Bible references.
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 07:49 PM
Ah, I see... Who wrote this book?
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 08:00 PM
Rabbi Jesus:
an intimate biography
Bruce Chilton
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 08:01 PM
zandore,
thanks... I will look into that...
Freespyryt24
Feb 1 2005, 08:12 PM
Wow Kiddies we've been busy haven't we?
Anyways, I wanted my 2 cents in here as well. Yippy Skippy for yas!
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Just like when I pray, I know God hears me...
How come he only hears a select few peoples prayers and not everyones?
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Once you believe.... and are truly a Christian... you don't just stop believing
So obviously you don't really know
I too did believe in the beginning years of my life. I was so happy that I had sometype of Father although I couldn't see him or hear him. (oh wait thats like my real father...) I thought that I was loved by him, I prayed to him every single night. I didn't pray for selfish things, I prayed that he would look over my family and my friends. And even I would say, "Now I lay me down I pray the lord my soul to keep and if I die before I wake I pray the lord my soul to take." When I was getting beaten for not washing my hands before supper, I prayed to make the beatings stop. When I was getting raped every other night, I prayed so much that my chest and mind hurt from praying. But still, they were unanswered. It didn't stop for months. So obviously you don't know what it feels like to be betrayed by God, and that is how I felt. One father left me to fend for myself, and my Holy father did just the same.
I don't believe in either of them. Sorry to offend anyone.
Nxt2Hvn
Feb 1 2005, 08:25 PM
QUOTE(Freespyryt24 @ Feb 1 2005, 08:12 PM)
Wow Kiddies we've been busy haven't we?
Anyways, I wanted my 2 cents in here as well. Yippy Skippy for yas!
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Just like when I pray, I know God hears me...
How come he only hears a select few peoples prayers and not everyones?
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Once you believe.... and are truly a Christian... you don't just stop believing
So obviously you don't really know
I too did believe in the beginning years of my life. I was so happy that I had sometype of Father although I couldn't see him or hear him. (oh wait thats like my real father...) I thought that I was loved by him, I prayed to him every single night. I didn't pray for selfish things, I prayed that he would look over my family and my friends. And even I would say, "Now I lay me down I pray the lord my soul to keep and if I die before I wake I pray the lord my soul to take." When I was getting beaten for not washing my hands before supper, I prayed to make the beatings stop. When I was getting raped every other night, I prayed so much that my chest and mind hurt from praying. But still, they were unanswered. It didn't stop for months. So obviously you don't know what it feels like to be betrayed by God, and that is how I felt. One father left me to fend for myself, and my Holy father did just the same.
I don't believe in either of them. Sorry to offend anyone.
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No offense taken... it is your choice to belive as you will...
I'm not here to air any of my past ... what God has brought me through is between me and God... so therefore you don't know what I have been through in my past.
And on several occassions he has not answered my prayers as how I would have liked them to be answered.... but in the long run... it made me stronger... and he brought me through it.
I look at every situation here on earth... good and bad.. as a learning experience... and it is not up to me to question why or how God chooses to answer prayers... I will never lose faith in him! But that is just how I see it!
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 08:27 PM
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When I was getting beaten for not washing my hands before supper, I prayed to make the beatings stop. When I was getting raped every other night, I prayed so much that my chest and mind hurt from praying. But still, they were unanswered. It didn't stop for months.
Where were you God when this little girl need you? Where were you God when she lost her innocence. No God that I can think of would let someone that is in need be hurt like this.
Free do not be worried about offending anyone by telling the truth.
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 08:35 PM
Freespyryt24,
I am sorry to hear that you went through so many hardships in your life... And I am sorry that you felt abandoned by God...
What else can I say?
God does hear you, and he does love you, even though you don't think he does...
There is a song that helped me with alot of my problems...
Its "Understand" by Jeremy Camp... Not the typical music I listen to but anways...
The song goes...
"Every time I fall down on my face
I see the one who bore all my shame
to know that you are everything I need
you to be
your're my ever present help in time of need
I know you understand it all
so why don't I get back on my feet again
every pain I feel inside my heart
it takes a faith I know I can't depart
to know that you hear every cry I raise to you
Bringing thoughts of hope
the words I bring I know art few
I know you understand it all
so why don't I get back on my feet again
you hear me when I call
you're there when I fall
you hear me when I call
I know you understand it all
so why don't I get back on my feet again"
I can't explain why those terrible things happened to you, why does anything bad happen? I can't say...
I only can hope that someday you will again find a place for God in your life...
Once again, I am sorry for those horrible things you had to endure..
All the best...
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 08:40 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Feb 1 2005, 02:27 PM)
No God that I can think of would let someone that is in need be hurt like this.
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zandore,
God never said life would be easy...
Yes those thing that happened to Free were terrible... But men have free will to do what they want... We can't blame God for the actions of men...
this is just my humble opinion...
zandore
Feb 1 2005, 08:48 PM
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We can't blame God for the actions of men...
But through action and inaction this happened.
Action: So someone could get his ROCKS OFF! (Sorry Mods)
Inaction: Allowing it to happen.
Who is the more guilty one? Both I say.
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 1 2005, 08:56 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Feb 1 2005, 02:48 PM)
Who is the more guilty one? Both I say.
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Yes you would say...
But I refuse to blame the innocent for the crimes of the guilty...
Who is responsible for the deaths of the 9/11 victims? Some would say God, because he did nothing to stop it... Blah.. The men who hijacked the planes are responsible...
WHoever did those horrible things to Free did it under thier own free will...
It was terrible what happened to Free, but she is alive, and is that not something to be happy about?
Stellar
Feb 1 2005, 10:09 PM
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God does hear you, and he does love you, even though you don't think he does...
God does hear you, and ignores you because, while he wants you to think he loves you, he dispises you and wants to see pain and suffering, even though you dont think he does...
Satan, however, despite his evil reputation created by god, is the loving and caring being who wants to help you, but god is overpowering him and stopping him helping the world.
Ken1Burton
Feb 1 2005, 10:13 PM
I think I would like to be around when Seraphina gets to meet her maker. If she has not changed, She will be greeted by thousands of millions at the gate of Heaven. Their job is to speak with the enemies at the gate.
They are seen as the Children of Rebekah. They are the ones who came out of hell, and they have quite a story to tell. They were in a sleep till Jesus died for sin. As God takes home over 200,000 per day, and some days He sends a cyclone and takes home a million. He needs a lot of greeters.
Now don't be afraid to go and tell God He is a Murderer. A mass killer, He will agree. He will point to all the people, and say "I killed every one of them." And you can ask them. They will agree that I killed them.
And all mankind who ever lived will be there, and shout AMEN. God killed us. He took away our earthly life, Amen and Amen.
And LISTEN CAREFULLY, Believer and non-believers alike, The day will come when He KILLS US ALSO. No problem, Plan on it, it will come. Might be a heart attack, cancer, drown, Zaped by a lightning bolt, But God will get us all. One way or another. Amen and Amen.
(DEUTERONOMY 32:39) See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no
god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither
is there any that can deliver out of my hand. (KJV)
Hey Sepaphina, Race you Home!
Ken
(JEREMIAH 5:15) Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O
house of Israel, saith the Lord: it is a mighty nation, it is an
ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither
understandest what they say. (KJV)
(JEREMIAH 5:16) Their quiver is as an open sepulchre, they are all
mighty men. (KJV)
(PSALMS 127:3) Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the
fruit of the womb is his reward. (KJV)
(PSALMS 127:4) As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are
children of the youth. (KJV)
(PSALMS 127:5) Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them:
they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in
the gate. (KJV)
All those out of hell are waiting to have a talk with you at Heaven's gate, Try not to be too long.
RaginCajun
Feb 1 2005, 10:29 PM
ken burton:
(me 1:1) whatever
(me 1:2) you gotta cut down on those messages
(me1:3) do you read other books??? you might wanna quote from those too.
sera and i have meet our makers...mom and dad...
nate0192
Feb 1 2005, 10:33 PM
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They are seen as the Children of Rebekah. They are the ones who came out of hell, and they have quite a story to tell. They were in a sleep till Jesus died for sin. As God takes home over 200,000 per day, and some days He sends a cyclone and takes home a million. He needs a lot of greeters.
where in the bible does it say that?
Seraphina
Feb 1 2005, 10:59 PM
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sera and i have meet our makers...mom and dad...
Nice one

I like it
Panthera leo atrox
Feb 1 2005, 11:04 PM
I am so sorry to hear of your suffering, Freespyryt24. I do not understand these things myself, but they are all a part of God’s plan. He wants you to know that he loves you very much. This life is merely finite, better things lay beyond. If it would help at all, I offer you this quote
“Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired, and success achieved.” – Helen Keller
I wish you the best of luck. I will pray for you.
Ken1Burton
Feb 2 2005, 01:22 PM
It is nice you have met your makers. Toss a stone in the pond, You can be a maker of waves. But you did not create the stone, or the pond. or the arm you used to toss it.
Ask your parents if they will make you a sibling, But do it from scratch, Use nothing alive. Just water, a few chemicals, Zap it with a little electricity, You know, Have your MAKERS prove they can make.
You are just a reproduction, Tell them to make an original.
The Bible shows the concepts of those out of hell being at the gate, speaking to the enemies. Hell ended the third day, it is Heaven's gate. God speaks in similitudes, in parables. You have to look close, and study hard.
I listed the verses in the post which will lead you to the concept. They are as Children sent forth as Arrows, out of the Sepulchre, they speak to the enemies in the gate.
(GENESIS 24:60) And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou
art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and
let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them. (KJV)
And they possess the gate of Heaven, and those who hate God, hate them. But they have plenty of time to chat, It is not like there is somewhere else to go.
Ken
Mekorig
Feb 2 2005, 01:41 PM
(Mekorig 1:1) And he said: "Ken1Burton, dont bother more. No one take you seriously. Your fanatic christian nosense isnt taken seriously even by other fanatics. And all rejoice.
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 2 2005, 02:17 PM
Mekorig,
Maybe your fanatic anti-christian nonsense isnt taken seriously...
Yes while Ken does come off as a little pushy, he is still just giving his own opinions, and really thats what this forum is all about... I am a christian, but I don't even know about some of the things he says, but he is still entitiled to speak his own mind...
this is just my humble opinion...
Nxt2Hvn
Feb 2 2005, 02:20 PM
Don't worry about him light... he is the saddest person on this forum.
I just ignore him!
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 2 2005, 02:22 PM
He does sound rather sad...
zandore
Feb 2 2005, 02:35 PM
QUOTE(RaginCajun @ Feb 1 2005, 10:29 PM)
ken burton:
(me 1:1) whatever
(me 1:2) you gotta cut down on those messages
(me1:3) do you read other books??? you might wanna quote from those too.
sera and i have meet our makers...mom and dad...

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Very well said!
zandore
Feb 2 2005, 02:39 PM
QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ Feb 1 2005, 08:56 PM)
QUOTE(zandore @ Feb 1 2005, 02:48 PM)
Who is the more guilty one? Both I say.
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Yes you would say...
But I refuse to blame the innocent for the crimes of the guilty...
Who is responsible for the deaths of the 9/11 victims? Some would say God, because he did nothing to stop it... Blah.. The men who hijacked the planes are responsible...
WHoever did those horrible things to Free did it under thier own free will...
It was terrible what happened to Free, but she is alive, and is that not something to be happy about?
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With due respect you do not have to live with the memories, God does not have to, "she has to" and is doing very good at it. What do you see wrong with that. I see very much wrong. Again I ask "If there is a God where was he when he was needed? Out killing more people? You say the death of the spirit is worse than the death of the body? Look what things like this do to the human spirit.
MJB222
Feb 2 2005, 02:51 PM
QUOTE(Freespyryt24 @ Jan 7 2005, 09:13 AM)
I have many many reasons not to believe in God. They are my personal experiences that lead me to believe that IF there was a God, why didn't he help me?
First thing, When I was born in 1980, My mom told my father that she was pregnate, he didn't want to have anything to do with us. My mom was 18. So I was raised without my father. During those years it was hard. Actually, Hard isn't even remotely close to what I had to endure during my childhood. My mom did as much as she could to provide for my brother and I. We were on welfare, jumped from house to house, we lived in a car for a week when I was 3. We survived, not on faith of God, but from friends and the goverment. Our meals consited of tv dinners, salsbury steak broiled in a bag, goverment cheese, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, Tang and powdered milk. Eventually, my mom went back to school to finish up and get a great career to care for her 2 children and not have to have the goverment help her raise us.
Second, My mom had boyfriends trying to find a suitable father figure for my brother and I, there were some bad seeds. And One Really bad seed, in which when I was 7 he raped me repeatedly and all I could do was pray to God to have him stop. He didn't hear my prayers cause the sexual abuse and the physical abuse didn't stop for months until he beat my mom horribly. He took her outside and bashed her head against the concrete. He didn't beat us nearly as bad, but seeing my mom getting hurt, hurt us as bad as the beatings. Needlesstosay, God didn't come to 'save us', my uncle did and had the s.o.b. put in jail. That was the night that I finally said something about the rapings. It is very hard for a 7 year old girl to come into a court room and see the man who ripped your already pathedic life apart, and get some justice. He was sententced to 15-40 years.
Third, I lived in fear for many years. When I was in 6th grade I tried numerous times to kill myself. I wanted out of this hell of a life. Why would a God put one family through so much pain and agony? Doesn't he have any compassion for a child? I drew a picture of me holding a gun to my head, tears streaming down my face, and I drew pictures of some of my classmates who were terribly mean to me telling me that I was worthless, ugly, and to pull the trigger. This picture put me into an institution for children with 'problems' for 2 weeks. I didn't find God in there, I found 'Life' and friends.
I felt as if the Good Book, missed alot of pages. There probably was a guy named Jesus. I feel if Christians are so 'for' God, why don't they smoke marijuana. If God created everything on this earth that is natural. I am sure he didn't put marijuana on this planet for us to look at. And for all those people to believe they saw a man walk across the water, MUST have been smoking something. Hmm.
I still can't believe in something that brings so much pain. I didn't eat the damn apple so why did I have to suffer?
He took my grandma away from us in a freek accident this year. 5 days before her FAVORITE holiday, Christmas. I am so mad at him if he exists. I didn't deserve to have a life like this. My grandma didn't deserve to die like that. SHe was only 72! I am a good person with a good heart, My grandma was a great person and a great heart! I did believe in this God when I was young, but he never helped me, I had to help myself with the help of my family. He torchured me, he brought hell into my life. No child derseves this abuse. I was an innocent child. All children are innocent and He hasn't helped any of us.
I do believe in somethings though, Myself and the Power of Family and Friends.
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Whoah, what a crappy Childhood
zandore
Feb 2 2005, 02:54 PM
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Whoah, what a crappy Childhood
Hope it never happens to someone you know. Just think if it was your daughter.
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 2 2005, 03:30 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Feb 2 2005, 08:39 AM)
With due respect you do not have to live with the memories, God does not have to, "she has to" and is doing very good at it. What do you see wrong with that. I see very much wrong. Again I ask "If there is a God where was he when he was needed? Out killing more people? You say the death of the spirit is worse than the death of the body? Look what things like this do to the human spirit.
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I agree with you zandore... things such as that can have a terrible affect on a persons spirit and life...
But I still don't see your logic behind blaming God for what happened... Whoever did those terrible things to Free did them under thier own free will... God will not take away your free will no matter what you do... Meaning, if wanted to go out and do terrible things to people, God may stop me, but probably not because that would inflict on my free will... That does not mean he doesn't love the people I would hurt... And who knows, maybe he would stop me, I can't really say, because its not really in my heart to do mean hurtful things to others...
I believe God gave us free will to test our hearts... And whoever did that to Free, made the content of thier heart quite clear... They will be judged for what they did...
this is just my humble opinion...
RaginCajun
Feb 2 2005, 04:36 PM
QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Feb 2 2005, 07:22 AM)
It is nice you have met your makers. Toss a stone in the pond, You can be a maker of waves. But you did not create the stone, or the pond. or the arm you used to toss it.
Ask your parents if they will make you a sibling, But do it from scratch, Use nothing alive. Just water, a few chemicals, Zap it with a little electricity, You know, Have your MAKERS prove they can make.
You are just a reproduction, Tell them to make an original.
The Bible shows the concepts of those out of hell being at the gate, speaking to the enemies. Hell ended the third day, it is Heaven's gate. God speaks in similitudes, in parables. You have to look close, and study hard.
I listed the verses in the post which will lead you to the concept. They are as Children sent forth as Arrows, out of the Sepulchre, they speak to the enemies in the gate.
(GENESIS 24:60) And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou
art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and
let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them. (KJV)
And they possess the gate of Heaven, and those who hate God, hate them. But they have plenty of time to chat, It is not like there is somewhere else to go.
Ken
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ken burton, you are on my steps at me pointing out a good point that might make will you back off. you don't want me to go in depth on this issue. (makers)
so if you are poking fun at making things out of chemicals and water, then you must poke fun at god making people out of mud and sand.
Mekorig
Feb 2 2005, 04:48 PM
QUOTE(Nxt2Hvn @ Feb 2 2005, 02:20 PM)
Don't worry about him light... he is the saddest person on this forum.
I just ignore him!

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me sad?..i am very happy whit my life. I have work, health, love and joy. What make me sad is how the religious nosense have turned this world into a crap, when it could be a real "heaven" .
lightbeyondthedark
Feb 2 2005, 05:13 PM
Mekorig,
This world could never be a heaven, at least the way things are going now... And yes religion has cause alot of crap in this world... But there is a difference between the religion and the faith... Dont get them mixed up...
just my humble opinion...
Mekorig
Feb 2 2005, 06:23 PM
Faith is just a tool of religion. In fact faith its a tool. Some totalitarian regimes had shown that.
zandore
Feb 2 2005, 06:30 PM
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... They will be judged for what they did...
this is just my humble opinion...
Or by what they did not do.
zandore
Feb 2 2005, 06:37 PM
QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ Feb 2 2005, 02:17 PM)
Mekorig,
Maybe your fanatic anti-christian nonsense isnt taken seriously...
Yes while Ken does come off as a little pushy, he is still just giving his own opinions, and really thats what this forum is all about... I am a christian, but I don't even know about some of the things he says, but he is still entitiled to speak his own mind...
this is just my humble opinion...

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He is not only giving "us his opinions" he is trying to make us accept them.
LBD you called Mekorig a "fanatic anti-christian", there are many of us that call ken a "FANATIC CHRISTIAN".
this is MY humble opinion
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