zandore,
I see your point...

Thank you LBD.



again this is my humble opinion.

Can't walk on the water unless you go OVERBOARD.

I am not poking fun at God for using water and chemicals to create manking, and all life. I am saying He can use that and has to make the life we know, But mom and dad? NAW.

BUT, I can and do poke fun at God, I get angry with Him, No problem, We have a close knit relationship, and Jesus is the yarn.

This world gets better and better. We might not see it, But it does:

(ISAIAH 9:7) Of the increase of his government and peace there
shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to
order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from
henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will
perform this. (KJV)

The day of the cross is a day taken out of time, it is called "FOR EVER" and then this also was Established.

Set your alarm clock, 24 more years and most of this world will be Christian. OH? Atheists must be an ENDANGERED SPECIE, Not quite, God said He would leave a few, We would not want all the Fanantic Christians to put away their Bibles, Would we?

Ken

hahah, That's funny, 500 years ago everyone was religious. 200 years ago i could have sworn everyone in western society was christian, and now, it's what, less than 50%?

It would seem quite obvious and apparent that religion is a dwindling, passing thing. As scientific breakthroughs in our modern age make it harder and harder for people to deny our real roots, more people are moving away from the faith in a religious deity. We these days are able to explain with science why things happen, such as 'miracles' and the like, and as such, in your 24 years i garantee that there will be less christians than ever before.

Ken,
I really dont agree with you on that one...

"24 more years and most of the world will be christian"

Why would you think that? I believe as we get closer to the Tribulation, yes more people will be saved, but I also believe the majority of the worlds population will be left for the tribulation hour...


just my humble opinion...

haha, I like that...

Lmfao, funny... Islam is actually the fastest growing religion, not christianity.

Wanna know some more trends with christianity?

The percentage of American adults who identify themselves as Christians dropped from 86% in 1990 to 77% in 2001. This is an unprecedented drop.

At the present rates of change, Islam will become the dominant religion in the world before 2050 CE.

At the present rate of change, most Americans will be non-Christians by the year 2035 CE.


Agnosticism, Atheism, secularism are growing rapidly.




http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_tren.htm

Hmm... maybe Christianity might be loosing popularity, not gaining it...

As i said. Just look at history, it's painstakingly obvious.

Even though I am a christian I would have to agree with BurnSide and Stellar...

Religion has become less popular over history, its plainly obvious. Compare a world 2000 years ago to a world of today. What were your chances, back then, of finding someone non religious? What are your chances today? 1/7 and rising.

It is said that in the last days christians will be killed for thier beliefs, and who so ever does the killing will believe he/she is doing God a service...
This is why I would have to agree with BurnSide and Stellar...

just my humble opinion...

Lol, everyones being killed for their beliefs in this world. Everyones had a turn.

Light,

I am going with God on this one. God used at least 3 similitudes in Scripture pointing to 2029 ad.

The main one is in Joshua, when the Children were to cross into the promise land. They were told, “When you see the Ark, and the Levites bearing it up, follow after it, but stay back 2.000 cubits. A similitude for staying back 2,000 years after seeing the Ark on a hill called Calvary being lifted up by the Priests.

(JOSHUA 3:3) And they commanded the people, saying, When ye see the
ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, and the priests the
Levites bearing it, then ye shall remove from your place, and go
after it. (KJV)
(JOSHUA 3:4) Yet there shall be a space between you and it, about
two thousand cubits by measure: come not near unto it, that ye may
know the way by which ye must go: for ye have not passed this way
heretofore. (KJV)

It is also seen in Ezekiel’s temple vision, the day of the cross seen as 2,000 years in Psalms 90:4, Then 2,000 till 2029 ad, The Awakening of Israel seen as the Sea being healed.

(EZEKIEL 47:8) Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward
the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea:
which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
(KJV)

2029 ad, Israel sees Jesus is the Messiah, this is not a second coming, it is the awakening of Israel.

(EZEKIEL 47:9) And it shall come to pass, that every thing that
liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall
live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because
these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and
every thing shall live whither the river cometh. (KJV)

Fishers of men, get your nets ready, there are going to be a lot of Converts.

(EZEKIEL 47:10) And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall
stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place
to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds,
as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. (KJV)

GET VERY BIG NETS:

(EZEKIEL 47:11) But the miry places thereof and the marishes
thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. (KJV)

Not all mankind converted, we will still need our Bibles, But most will.

NOW, For Islam. Didn’t the Quran tell you? It is the same message as the Old Testament and the Gospel, And Allah (God ) will bring it all together. The Same way God sealed Israel from seeing Jesus is the Messiah, So has God sealed Islam.

Writings on the Quran are also on my web site which shows how they were sealed from not seeing Jesus as the Christ. But they will.

Ken

PS. If you are inclinded to laugh, Go for it.

No... you're not going with god, you're going with a belief.



Right.


Original:
"Theres a pie in the sky!!!"

Interpreted:
"Theres a gigantic underwater creature flying in the sky breathing down fire and burning everything in its path! Stay clear!"



So where does it say that there will be only Christians left in 24 years?



Says nothing about 2029, nor about a christian world...



Refer to what I wrote above...



Many is not most... and fish are not beliefs.



Umm... it never occured to you that maybe they simply dont believe Jesus was the SoG?

Ken,

I think you read into the bible what you want too...

I don't understand what you are trying to say half the time... And I dont understand how your getting some of this info from the verses you post...


Just my opinion...

Just my opinion, but I believe this is a famous quote as well.

"Without failure and suffering, one can never truely appreciate victory in the end"

Maybe someone, not nessesarily God, has a plan for you.

I like that quote .

But its true. If you don't have errors in your life, what would you learn from, and how big of a challenge would life be without those errors?

[quote=Ken1Burton,Feb 2 2005, 02:55 PM]
Can't walk on the water unless you go OVERBOARD.

I am not poking fun at God for using water and chemicals to create manking, and all life. I am saying He can use that and has to make the life we know, But mom and dad? NAW.



tell me kenny...explain to me in details how god made humanity from water and chemicals? afterwards, explain in details how he made earth and the "other" creatures. HAS TO BE IN DETAIL.

CAN'T BE (LOPEZ 1:21) GOD BLINKED HIS EYES AND HUMAN DUDE SAID, "HI GOD. I LIVE."

that is uneducated and not in depth. i want YOUR own facts to prove to UM that water and chemicals made us.

then afterwards explain to me in details what is inside a cell down to the nucleolus. YOU CAN ONLY USE RELIGION TO BREAK IT DOWN.

don't even say, "god nod his head and boom everything is there." that doesn't work becasue scientists can actually examine the "birth of a cell" which did not come instantly with god's head noding

So your saying God did create cells?

hahahaha...good one light... i meant did not just a typo...welcome aboard too.

haha glad you liked that one...

Well, I can tell you, I've had the dreams, the good and the bad, I've seen parts of Heaven, and I saw part of hell. I've had that since I was 7 years old. Then it stopped and came back years later. And what I saw was in parts of Enoch, which I didn't even know existed when I saw them. I've seen events happen in dreams months before they actually did happen, and the angel/s involved. And I had no idea at that time that they looked the way I saw them which is not all big white fluffy wings et al.

Point is, I believed in God before any of that happened, but my family was also religious...well my mother anyway.

As for the rest, Genesis, et al, the more I look, the more I find. Nothing I or anyone else can say or do can make you believe. Like I've said before, God only wants you to believe of your own free will, that's one of our main reasons for even existing, and the all the contradictions to believing are there for a reason.

And, I too had a nightmare childhood, bar the parts my mother tried to make up for. Constant violence and physical, verbal and emotional abuse from my father, I too lived in perpertual fear of what was going to happen next - I ran away twice, the first time I had to hide out at a relatives because I'd gotten a Siamese cat, and my father was going to kill me...and the cat, the second time I stayed with friends in which my father was going to kill the whole bloody lot of us 'splatter blood on the walls' as he put it...he turned up at the door at about midnight with a gun and we had to pretend we weren't there and jump out the window, and ended with me getting in trouble with the law because I was a minor. No charges were pressed, but ifhe had it his way it would have been. This sh** didn't stop until I got old enough to tell him to get f***ed and stand up for myself, 2 of my sisters taken away (which I'm still trying to find now) when I was 7 years old - in fact my entire world turned upside down when I was 7, and it just kept getting worse. I'm just starting to pick up the pieces of my past now, and believe me, no matter what happened, I still believed in God.

What I learned from it, however, is people can reform, if they want to. Actually it didn't really stop at all until 2 years ago when we finally pressed charges. We'd done it before but he'd scare us out of a statement and he'd always end up back here the next day knocking the door down. It's amazing what an AVO, one night in jail and Lovan (Prozac) can do to someone who has every vice there is, from alcohol, drugs, abusivness, gambling problems, etc.

Ragin.

What do you think these earthly bodies are made of? Silly puddy?

We can analyze a dead body, and it will come out the very same as if we analyze a live one. But something seems to be different. Systems are working. Heat is being created, The Body is functioning. All the many systems are working together, and we move, think, we live.

But it is getting from the dead body, to a live one that is the problem. Getting it moving and living. Getting all the systems together. and starting the engine. And without God, There would be no one to turn the key after He built the system.

People can play as dumb as they want. All the systems needed to have and substain life did not all come together, Get assembled, and turn it's own key to start.

I do not take that God always was, I take that God did evolve, For a Spirit might have evolved, But not life as flesh and blood as we know it.

Look in the Mirror. See and think, and if that is not proof enough, You can not accept proof anyway. Our physical existence is impossible. No way we can be. No way it could happen. But it did happen, and God is how.

Matter is just as impossible. A proton about the size of a basketball in comparison to our Sun, and a ping pong ball 93 million miles away from it called an electron, orbiting around it like our earth, and this is called an Atom? There is nothing there. Our whole world is made up of a lot of nothing. But it exists and life exists. Who can create all this from nothing?

Scientist say that before what they call the Big Bang, all the matter of this universe, Billions of Galaxies, were all together and occupied a space smaller then one of our atoms now. The Whole Universe is nothing. But it exists, we can jump up and down and not fall through the earth.

How can all this nothing be? How can we live, and think? We are flying through space at Millions of miles per day. On a planet that is mostly molten, with a thin crust, and water covering it. And yet we have survived millions of years and not been destroyed.

Our lives, our world, declare God.


Lightbeyondthedark:

All the Concepts I refer to go together, And a certain amount of them has to be seen before they are seen as interlocking.

I did not build what the churches call sound doctrine. It was built by others. And they believed for the most part they were right. But they were not. People do not want to tear down all they believe and start building again. But if the Foundation is off base, the sooner the building comes down, the better.

Jesus said that when he went up to Jerusalem all things written by the prophets concerning Him would be accomplished.

Was Daniel 9:24 Accomplished or not?

(LUKE 18:31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them,
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by
the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (KJV)

(DANIEL 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon
thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of
sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in
everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy. (KJV)

NOW, Don’t try to figure out the seventy weeks. Concentrate on this being a prophecy concerning Jesus, and Jesus said it would be accomplished. Does the Church see sin ended and everlasting righteousness has come in?

They do not. And the reason is because the Disciples never preached it. But Daniel 9:24 has a SEAL. And the SEAL worked, Just like it was put there to do.

This is just one of dozens of concepts that are seen wrong by the Church. I am referring to the body of believer as the Church, Christians. Not any one denomination.

All the concepts have to be put into order. THEN it shows as Truth. THEN the errors show up in detail.

Most of the Concepts which are Truth are also very very offensive. God did it to keep people from seeing till they searched with their whole heart.

(1CORINTHIANS 1:28) And base things of the world, and things which
are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to
bring to nought things that are: (KJV)

I hint at a lot of the concepts till people start to look closer. Telling them flat out would end the conversation in a moment. The Similitude is Satan cometh IMMEDIATELY and taketh away that which is sown in their heart. And their being offended is what stopped them.

I have a file on my web site which is listed as “Absolute one liners.” Ones I use on internet chat. They list all the main concepts and the references of concepts which have to be put together to see what Truth is.
God has a time table also, And now is when God is starting to bring this world unto Himself. And the Awaking of Israel is part of that, and 2029 ad is when it happens.

The Woman in Revelation chapter 12 is the Nation of Israel. The moon is under her feet, the moon seen as the Establishment of the throne in Psalms 89:37. The Moon is turned into blood as the Blood of Christ offered by the Nation of Israel established the Throne the day of the cross.

The Woman is kept from seeing the face of the Serpent for Time, Times and the Dividing of time, or half a time. Seen also in Daniel.

Time is the Creation story in 3975 bc to the Baptism in 25 ad, 4,000 years. At the FULNESS of TIME, God sent forth His Son. Times is the day of the cross seen as 2,000 years in:

(PSALMS 90:4) For a thousand years in thy sight are but as
yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. (KJV)
(ECCLESIASTES 6:6) Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told,
yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place? (KJV)

Then the Dividing or half a time from the Cross in 29 Ad, till 2029 ad when the Woman is no longer kept from the face of the Serpent, But will see who the Serpent is, and God uses that which is DESPISED.

GUESS WHO? Who likened Himself to a Serpent on a pole in John 3:14? Why does the Lord Hiss in Isaiah 7:18? A Serpent hisses. Why did the Holy Spirit come down as cloven tongues of fire at Pentecost? Did not God know a SERPENT has a Cloven tongue?

Who has Israel not been able to see in the Old Testament? (Time) or the day of the cross (Times) or in the last 2,000 years (Dividing or half a time), WHO’s Face has the Woman been hid from?

This is OFFENSIVE. But so is the rest of the concepts, But it is TRUTH. And people need to put the baby bottles away and start getting into the meat of the Word.

(JOHN 16:12) I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot
bear them now. (KJV)

What Jesus did not tell them then, I now tell, Are you able to bear it?

(MATTHEW 10:27) What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in
light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the
housetops. (KJV)

Ken

LBD I agree with you on this. ken has omitted (edited) WHOLE parts of the Bible, Has been edited by the mods for his sexual comments, Has made fun of the Bible, And "HAS MISQUOTED" the Bible at least 1 time and if he did once how many other times has he? That was why I told him he should take a Bible study class and "learn the Bible properly". As I have stated to you and others "If it gives someone hope then it is good" but if it is used to give pain like he has done then it is evil. I have read in the Bible some years ago that Jesus told his disciples that if a town did not want to hear the word to wash the dust from their feet and go to the next town. Does this sound familiar? If you know where it is tell ken about it so he will stop passing his low level of wisdom.

If this is what you think I would be very careful the next time you tried to walk.
MY rock of ages solid opinion

What? You say you get what you know from the bible? Dude, your getting yourself all mixed up... Do you even know what your trying to say? As a fellow christian I would like to sympathize with you, but you just sound so loopy, and not even I pay attention to half of what you say... Get with it friend...

Just my humble opinion...

I rest my case.
Jury have you reached a decision?

HAHA thats funny stuff... lol
But now I am sure we are going to recieve a rep[ly from Ken that will take me an hour to read, and two hours to understand... lol
oh wait, prolly wont ever understand it...

He is not on the JURY. Heck I am still waiting to hear an answer to my question on the tail thing.

Ken Ken Ken....

He dug his own hole.
He shall reap what he soweth.
No pun intended.

true true

sheesh why is this the most talked about topic in here

what God? or Ken? lol

that is why i asked him the questions. i knew he could not appropriately tell us the answers or if he did they confuse us and make him look like a high schooler.

I think that I might have another question for him if he but if he can't answer the one I don't see him answering my other either. It is probably a waste of time expecting him to answer without going in to a long and winded reply without answering the question.
PS are you on the jury RaginCajun?

This thread has seemed to changed topics... From God, to ken... maybe a new thread should be started... lol j/j

I humbly stand corrected.

I think this thread (after it amazingly lasted 43 pages ) is DONE!

yeah, I would have to agree...

but as long as its here you know people will post on it... including me... lol

So I was watching something on discovery channel last night about the solar system and our universe. (Naked Science I believe) They say that the universe is sooo big that it is beyond our minds capability to understand how large it is. We cannot be alone with as many other planets that are in the universe in their own galaxies. But my question is, Why doesn't the bible say anything of this? How come God doesn't mention that there are planets out there and other things that we cannot explain. If God made earth, then did he make venus, mars, pluto etc also? Did he create the planets that we cannot see within the milky way? Did he create the life on the other planets?
My theroy (just a theroy so back off ken!) That someone else created the Bible out of imagination. Back then they didn't know about the other planets out there so how could they write about them? The people only knew of the stars, sun, moon and clouds(sky) cause that is what they could see. (If God did in fact give information and a guideline (bible), then why isn't it mentioned?)
Just a theroy.
And my humble opinion. (sorry LBD, I think that is a cute saying.)

Its all good Free...
I would love if everyone used that saying... I pretty much put it at the end of all my posts... Except this one... lol

Oh bye the way Free, that is a interesting theory... I will have to look into it some more...

Free in some versions of the bible I think it states something like "and God made the heavens and all the lands thereof". I read somewhere that if you counted all the grains os sand on ALL the beaches of this dust mote (I like saying it that way) there are more stars than grains of sand. There has to be life else where. Think you might be interested in UFOs look at some of the threads there.

I truely believe there is life out there some where... there has to be... well I guess there doesn't have to be... But I really doubt God would create all that universe just to be empty of life...

just my humble opinion...

Religious or not why don't you look in the ET-UFO forums. There are a lot of us out there that think there is life somewhere.

Oh I have looked into those forums... But thanks for the tip zandore...

I was telling Free

zandore,
my bad... sorry...

I know already, but I was implying my thought to the existance or non-existance of a God. That is why I still posted it here. I know what I am doing.. (most of the time. LOL.) I was just in deep thought after that show and was wondering why it's not in the bible. And then again, you say that it is but that is very vague. If God really did create alot more, I would think that he would explain it all in more detail about it as he does other things in the bible.