Free,

Well we would think he would explain more about it... But maybe, just maybe, he knew we would figure out some things on our own...

Just a theory...

With the Bible haveing been edited who is to say that it wasnt in there once.

zandore,

you have an interesting theory there too... maybe it was... maybe it wasn't... guess I won't know until I meet my maker...


just my humble opinion..

Shake off a little dust? No problem. Jesus came to the House of Israel, Did the House of Israel receive Jesus? Who then would be the Dust (seed of Abraham) that Jesus had to shake off? HINT: “Smite the Shepherd and the Sheep will be scattered.”

The Disciples were the dust of His feet. And they also had to be shaken off as Jesus said.

(SOLOMON 5:3) I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have
washed my feet; how shall I defile them? (KJV)

A good way to defile the Disciples would be to have them drink blood. Forbidden by God’s law to eat blood in ANY MANNER, even a similitude.

(LEVITICUS 7:27) Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of
blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people. (KJV)

The day of the cross is as 3 pictures, 1=Iniquity, 2=Mischief, 3=Falsehood. The Disciples are the Workers of the first picture, told to DEPART, Ye workers of Iniquity, I know you not whence you are.

Jesus is reaching for all mankind, The Disciples only want Jews saved. That is why Jesus told them to depart, He knew them not. Notice the reaction of them, it is the Disciples:

(MATTHEW 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we
not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works? (KJV)
(MATTHEW 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (KJV)

This is a prophecy so it has to be fulfilled the day of the cross, Peter is the one who denies Him before men in the Palace, also fulfilled the day of the cross.

God reveals secrets, Even ones the Disciples did not want to be known. There was a slight problem when Jesus told them the Drink was His blood. Blood which the Jewish nation was not allowed to use, But always to pour out on the ground and cover it.

The Disciples had WEAK stomachs. And a Chain reaction started. God foretold it, it also is a prophecy and had to be fulfilled the day of the cross.

(ISAIAH 28:8) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so
that there is no place clean. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 28:9) Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make
to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and
drawn from the breasts. (KJV)

Notice the GROW UP verse that follows. It happened, God foretold it, and God wanted us to see something. And for us to learn to accept what He is showing, not just what we want to see.

As Far as my belief that God might have evolved, Show where He said He did not, that He always existed? Please do not use the BEGINNING, it is a similitude for the Beginning of the New World which started the day of the cross.

Let there be Light, The first 6-hour period, Sunset to Midnight, as the Lord’s supper began. “I am the True Vine, I am the Good Shepherd, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, In my Father’s House are many mansions, I go to prepare a place for you. And if that LIGHT is not enough, He said a lot more.

Zandore and his tailbone? I answered it, It does not matter, God created mankind, How He did it, in steps or if what we see as a TAILbone ever had a TAIL attached. It is God’s breadth of life which He breathed into mankind, and that is not physical life, it is Spiritual life that makes all the difference. This earthly body is flesh and blood like the animals. It is just what God used to house our spirit in this earthly journey, Don’t take it too serious, it is temporary.

God did not even tell us about the Western hemisphere, maybe to protect them for awhile. The Four corners of the earth is the day of the cross as the first of three pictures as 4 6-hour periods, Maybe God used it to keep people from sailing and falling off the earth. Or to keep America till He was ready to open up our world a little more to us.

For those who take the Bible literal, Better hope those stars do not fall to the earth, Good thing God uses similitudes.

Zandore? You think there is life out there? YOU?? WHO DEMANDS PROOF BEFORE you believe??

Cute, real cute. Your belief is a bit unestablished? God made the earth to be inhabited. The Distances are too great in space. Even at the speed of Light, it would take many GENERATIONS to get to even the closest places outside our solar system.

God speaks of a Thousand generations, That might get you somewhere, Better know where you are going, a wrong turn to cost you another thousand generations.

With Billions of Galaxies, Try the 19th on the left. 2132nd star.
(The humans there have Tails)

Ken

Hung jury? I thought they hung the accused?

(ISAIAH 66:5) Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his
word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's
sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your
joy, and they shall be ashamed. (KJV)

Careful what you wish for, God might grant it.

Ken

i am so irritated by the fact that religious people use the bible as a moral lesson like i would use cinderella to teach a moral lesson. bible = fable then. this is exactly what they are doing but seemingly deny it. don't even bother to respond.

Respond I will Ragin,

The difference is that christians believe the bible is not a fable... We put faith in the words... Like it or not...
But I really don't agree with the way Ken goes about saying things...

just my opinion...

Ok, Got another question. If God existed BEFORE the creation of earth, why does the bible only start there? (Genesis) How come he didn't go more into detail about His childhood, where he came from? Did God have a mom and dad? Or did he just evolve from dust too? You would really think that anyone who would create something, and have followers, would have more of an autobiography on his life before his invention of an earth. And with other planets in our solar system, why didn't he jsut say Hey, Lets put some plants and people on this neighboring planet also? Scientist have figured that only earth could hold the elements that we need to survive? Why wouldn't God make the other planets equal. I know why, because God really doesn't exist. only a fable to teach people right from wrong. I would like to believe more in the Gods of the American Indians. That makes more sence.

and one more thing. I remember as a little kid, if a peice of food fell on the ground, You'd get a 5 second rule to retrieve it, And then say "God made dirt and dirt don't hurt." But then I think about what Ken says and I think again, "I just ate a peice of a human (dust)" Dust=dirt.

God just always was... Before time and creation... Thats what the bible teaches..

It also teaches that we humans are his prized creation... That is why the Earth is the way it is...

Just my humble opinion...

How can something just be? Things have to come from somewhere or from something. They don't just come from nothing, or nowhere. Sorry LBD but that isn't a good enough explaination.

You did not answer it! All you did was quote verses that had nothing to do with an answer.

Then WHY is it called a "TAIL BONE"? and why are some children born with a tail?
NOT LIFE? then what is it that you are "LIVING RIGHT NOW" if it not life? A dream? LOL.

Your words ken "like animals", That is what you called us.

Past tense? "used to house us". Again your words.

What else didn't he tell us about ken? You seem to have "ALL THE ANSWERS".
.
You still belive in a flat Earth? What century are you in?

Are you saying now that God is greedy? Wanting to keep things for himself on this "ROUND EARTH"?

You or God using similitudes? You have stated that you were using them not God.

(A tired sigh) If you read the Bible(some "VERSIONS" anyway) it states aww read it for your self finally.

Falling stars (Meteorites) have been falling to the Earth far BILLIONS of years.

Look beyond your nose ken and see the facts. If you take all the beachs on this planet and counted the GRAINS OF SAND on them, There are more stars than grains of sand. Are you trying to say that life "could not be else where"?

At least it is not blind faith.

No mine is based on fact. Not a book (?) that is thousands of years old and heavily edited at that.

SCIENCE is making discoveries all the time. Who knows in maybe 10-20 or 50 years we won't have faster than light travel. Look how far we have come in the last 100 years.

The "HUMANS" here have tails also.

Guilty complex ken? WE here don't hang for less that murder. Do you have something you want to admit to?

That would make things perfect.

Ragin: The devil made me do it.
Or was it SOMEONE else?

Sadly LBD it is Christians like that, that give the rest a bad name.

zandore,

I hear ya... I really think Ken is a dedicated christian... But he goes about it all wrong... It doesn't seem like he has respect for anyone elses beliefs, and thats the part that really gets me upset...
But I get some solace knowing that hopefully most of the users of UM know Ken does not speak for all us christians...
And I don't speak for all christians...

As I always say...

Thats just my humble opinion...

I agree with you Free. How can there be nothing and then there be something without .....A big BANG maybe?


Before time and creation? How can there be any thing if there is nothing? You have to have something in reference to compare to and if there is nothing than......

If we are his prized creation then why does he kill us so?

Yea I would have to agree with you on that one just not the way you intended

Thats just my humble opinion...

I see no where that God speaks of where He came from, or how He got to be. He told Moses “I AM that I AM.” Tell the “I AM” sent you.

As for John 1:1. That refers to the day of the cross, that is the BEGINNING, that is when the Son of David is made AS GOD.

(ZECHARIAH 12:8) In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants
of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be
as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of
the Lord before them. (KJV)

Being dead part of the day makes Jesus also the Angel of the Lord.

This verse in Revelation shows Jesus, it shows He is what God used to and created Jesus as God the day of the cross. Not BY GOD, But OF GOD.

(REVELATION 3:14) And unto the angel of the church of the
Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and
true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; (KJV)

That is Jesus made AS GOD, Not God the Father who made Jesus as God.

Becoming a Christian is not just accepting the Scriptures, But searching the Scriptures, Questioning the Scriptures,

I questioned how the Jewish Nation could have the books we call the Old Testament, and not see that Jesus is the Christ. So I went and got a copy of their Jewish Holy Scriptures. And except for a few word differences they were the same. I know they would not change the Scriptures to fit Jesus, Early Christians might have.

That is why the Jewish nation did not follow Jesus, they are witnesses the Scriptures are true, existed before a Child was laid in a manger in Bethlehem, and are not changed to fit Jesus. They are seen in the Book of Revelation:

(REVELATION 12:17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and
went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the
commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (KJV)

The Woman is the nation of Israel, they have the Old Testament scriptures which is the TESTIMONY of Jesus. Time, times and a half a time ends in 2029 ad when Israel sees Jesus is the Messiah.

The Christians are also seen in Revelation but have the FAITH of Jesus:

(REVELATION 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are
they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
(KJV)

Zandore, I quoted verses which show God uses the word TAIL as those who are beneath, and Head as those in Charge, And the BONES are the prophecies, All the bones are broken or divided into the different time periods to be fulfilled, Then Not a bone of His is broken as all is fulfilled.

I said as far as a tail bone, Who cares? God can make man anyway He wanted, The Story of Adam being formed from the dust is Jesus is Adam the day of the cross, the Dust seen as the Seed of Abraham, So God formed Jesus from the seed of Abraham. The Creation story is just a Similitude, one of the things from ancient times not yet done when Isaiah wrote verse we numbered 46:10.

Children born with tails? Long ones? I never heard that, I have heard of them born with gill slits. Still it does not change God’s word, He did not go into great detail make that great DE TAIL.

I hope they do not cut the TAILS off. After all, What God has joined together, Let not man cut asunder.

Zandore, I think you read 2 words then respond, Try getting the whole concept into thought. I am saying life is more then just living, Life is Eternal, and that life is Knowing the One True God, and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Try Spiritual life as what the concept is, Not breathing, walking eating, etc.

Zandore, I never called you animals. You are created in God’s Image and that makes you very special. What I did say is “IF THERE IS NOT A GOD” Then there is no difference between us and the animals. And we are no different then a school of tuna.

God did not tell us we could sail around the world, and there were vast lands that we did not know about. And having all the answers means nothing, You have to have them attached to the correct questions. I mentioned them sailing off the end of the earth as a fear they had which kept America from being discovered long ago.

As far as what God did not tell you. That really is not a good question, a good one is “What did God tell you, that you do not see? Or don’t want to see?” For the main thing is what He thought we should know. And that is Christ.

Wanting to keep things for Himself? I though you knew, they are all His anyway. Even you. No doubt your one of His Jewels. I refer to precious things here.

God uses Similitudes, the Stars falling to the Earth is a Similitude, Those stars are a bit on the big size. One would more then end life. But don’t worry, God keeps them up with superglue.

I do read it for myself, But God says to share it with others. When He shows in Darkness, we are to speak in the light. Following Jesus means to tell others of God also.

Falling Stars???? Meteorites?? Try a Tailbone. They are called Falling stars. They appear as falling stars to a world which did not know the real stars are a bit bigger. A tiny rock falling to earth sets up quite a display.

Zandore, God might have made life elsewhere and not told us. That is what I mentioned that He did not tell us about the other side of our planet. It does not mean there is not life in what we call outer space, But He did not say there was, And I have no doubt, He knows if there is.

But we are trapped on earth. We might get a little ways out, But the nearest Star (Solar system) not a falling rock. Is way beyond our getting to. Maybe in a thousand years we might see a way, But as far as travel as we know it. You might as well ride a snail to Mexico. You would get there quicker.

Who has blind faith? I questioned the existence of God, saw the proof He exists. And now I KNOW He exists. I also KNOW He has a relationship with mankind. His words are inspired. I looked before I leaped, But when I saw His love, I leaped upon the threshold.

Your belief is based on FACT? Your belief that there is life elsewhere then planet earth is based on FACT?

F=Fiction
A=Assumption
C=Calculation
T=tailbone

I feel guilty a lot. Mostly for not showing more love to others. For God has shown me on thing, I did not believe it when I first heard it. It took a lot of thinking about, But I see it is correct. “Kidding is a form of hatred.”

I murdered a lot of people. For as lust is as adultery, hate is as murder. But like Barabbas, Another took my place at the execution.

I agree, I do give the REST a bad name, Do not desire the REST. It is from seeing things correctly. It is also the spirit of deep sleep.

God blinded the nation of Israel from seeing Jesus is the Messiah as in REST or Sleep:

(ISAIAH 29:10) For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of
deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your
rulers, the seers hath he covered. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 29:11) And the vision of all is become unto you as the
words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is
learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot;
for it is sealed: (KJV)
(ISAIAH 29:12) And the book is delivered to him that is not
learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not
learned. (KJV)

Jesus THEN poured out the Spirit of Sleep to the Disciples, they did not seen sin ended as Accountable unto men, or that all are saved by grace, among other things.

(MATTHEW 26:45) Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto
them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at
hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. (KJV)
(MATTHEW 26:46) Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that
doth betray me. (KJV)

Awful SHORT NAP, Sleep on, and rise. But is the REST that the Disciples took from seeing.

They are also seen in the book of Revelation which is the day of the cross seen as 7 time periods. The Little while is 2,000 years till the Alarm Clock goes off.

(REVELATION 6:11) And white robes were given unto every one of
them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a
little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren,
that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. (KJV)

They were killed or Spiritually slain by “No man cometh unto the Father but by Me.”, Being blinded from seeing Jesus is the Messiah, they can not come unto Christ. But God voided that covenant. All are saved by grace.

(PSALMS 89:35) Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie
unto David. (KJV)
(PSALMS 89:36) His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as
the sun before me. (KJV)
(PSALMS 89:37) It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as
a faithful witness in heaven. Selah. (KJV)
(PSALMS 89:38) But thou hast cast off and abhorred, thou hast been
wroth with thine anointed. (KJV)
(PSALMS 89:39) Thou hast made void the covenant of thy servant:
thou hast profaned his crown by casting it to the ground. (KJV)

Jesus is the one whose Covenant was made void. Jesus seen as God’s wife (Similitude for becoming as ONE) in Isaiah 62:5. Law allowed for a husband to void a wife’s vow.

Ken

zandore,

I can't answer all your questions... simply because they are beyond my understanding... I'm not saying I'm stupid, all I am saying is that I don't know everything...

I try and think of creation as a computer program... God is the programmer... Computer programmers start with nothing... They enter code, and it becomes something...

Just a theory of mine...

I neve said you called me an animal but that you called all one.


"The beginning of the creation of God" You mean before God? KEN ARE you misquoting the Bible again? Shame Shame
If you are going to quote the Bible at least quote it IN CONTEXT and do it to someone that WANTS to hear it from you. Scripture from YOU ken is nothing but hot air, worth nothing.

Thats just my humble opinion...

glad to see the little quote is catching on... lol

ok, back on topic...

LBD I never thought of you as stupid nor will I. I did not expect for you to answer them. My apologys my friend

zandore,

its all good... no apologies are needed friend, but I still thank you... I feel there is a good level of respect between us, and that is nice...

Now only if others could have half the respect..........

Well I dont see how anyone expects to get respect if they don't first give it...

Now only if others could have half the respect..........
Is that better put

haha

yes zandore... lol

thanks...

Same words just said a little different thats all.


Thats a fact Jack!

(JAMES 2:9) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and
are convinced of the law as transgressors. (KJV)

Think about it.

Ken

James 2:9-
"But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers." (NIV)

That verses talks about not picking favorites... It doesn't say we shouldn't have respect for others...

I seriously doubt Jesus was a man who lacked respect for anyone...

Just my humble opinion...

Respect is in the best scripture of all. The GOLDEN RULES!!!

and that is MY humble opinion.

Lightbeyondthedark.

Remember the 23rd Chapter of Matthew?

(MATTHEW 23:13) But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for
ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are
entering to go in. (KJV)
(MATTHEW 23:14) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. (KJV)
(MATTHEW 23:15) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is
made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
(KJV)
(MATTHEW 23:16) Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever
shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear
by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! (KJV)

(MATTHEW 23:33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye
escape the damnation of hell? (KJV)

By the way, the Anwer to Matthew 23:33 is "By the Grace of God, and Your Sacrifice."

Ken

Ken,

Its obvious to me now you wont listen to anyone, or even be open to anything anyone says to you....
As a fellow christian I tried to be nice... I even said I should have taken the time to understand you better... But it seems you do not really want to understand anyone else better... Open your eye a little bit there buddy... Open them, and you may even open up your mind a little too...

LBD

Lightbeyondthedark.

God directs me. And that is not a belief, it is what I know to be true. God speaks to me through many people, so I listen to what others say. I even listen to what I say, For He can speak through me as well. and I do not want to miss anything.

You want me to speak like you, Act like you, Do as you see a Christian should. Was I suppost to follow you? Just to be sure, Do you have nail holes in your hands? for my Boss does.

My Boss also said that what He TELLS me in Darkness to Speak in the light. And what I hear in the ear, to preach from the housetop.

I am not Lightbeyondthedark II, Sorry. I have asked God for some clones. But not to be one myself. (Maybe a Jesus clone, But that would be more then anyone is entitled to) I did not think I had time even with eternity to share all the love He has shown me. He can start with a thousand and I will get back to Him if they are not enough.

The main reason they did not get the message when Jesus preached, is they were looking at Jesus more then what Jesus was saying. Jesus did not wash His hands, Jesus was eating and drinking with publicans and sinners. Jesus did miracles on the Sabbath.

Now, You got a problem with the Concepts I show, I list the referrences. Prove they are wrong Scripturally. You got a problem with me? Great, so do I, Lots of them. But I was not told to keep my eye on me, But to keep my eyes on Jesus.

Quite a few times it was recorded the Disciples were afraid to Ask Jesus something? Maybe He was not always sweet as candy. Maybe He was concerned with what He had to do, not with the daily "who will be greatest".

(MARK 9:32) But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to
ask him. (KJV)

Ken

Ken,

I do see what you are saying...

But I ask again... Do you see what I am saying?

I never said there was anything wrong with the message you bring... I think that is great that you are doing the will of God, and spreading his word, as am I...
And I never ever said you should be just like me, act like me, or speak like me... And I never even implied that you should follow me...
I am simply, from one christian to another, trying to help you understand... Understand that not everyone thinks like you, or believe like you... It just seem like you have no empathy what so ever... Can you not see through the eyes of someone else even for one second? ( a ritorical question )
There is nothing I put more faith in then the word of God... It is the rock I have built my house on... Alot of the things you see in the scriptures are seen differently by others and vise versa... And alot of people do not believe you have respect for what they say and think...
You are making this a personal thing, and I never intended it to be one...
As christians we are sposed to stand together. We are sposed to be brothers in christ...

So you continue to preach the word, as I will... I will keep my ways of preaching the word, and you keep yours... All the best...

LBD

Ken,

If you read OUTSIDE the scope of the current Bible you would have seen that God said that He was, in His own words 'SELF-ETERNAL'. And that He, and He ALONE with no help made ALL things the good and the bad.

This is very interesting...christians arguing among thenselfs and not whit atheist.

*stands from chair* You wanna go Mekorig!? *acts like a thug* C'mon! Lets go!!

The person (term used VERY loosely) that is being discussed here is not worth this bickering among us gently beings. **the sounds of a snicker**

hehe, I was just kidding

Satan directs you. Thats what I know to be true.

One of the best I have heard yet. Let it be an example to others.

Mekorig I think it is more about what is the best way and I agree with LBD 100%
and that is MY humble opinion.

I will let you look it up ken but in the Bible it says "Treat others as you would have them treat you". Does this mean you do not want any respect?

You are turning people off on religion with your attitude and your way of beliefs, So can you see your self in this verse?

This is what many has been trying to tell you. Thank you for looking it up for me. Look at your long post and tell your self that you need to tone it down. Again thank you

You listen to what others say? OH really? You had us all fooled. **the loud sound of laughter**

Are hearing voices? Are you answering them? Do you need to see a...... never mind I won't go there.

I don't think he is the one with the problem ken.

Is this from the voices you hear? How about if I tell you to keep an eye on your self? Keep an eye on your self ken OK.

MY humble opinion.
and thats a fact jack!

Thats for the support there zandore...

NO THANKS NEEDED FOR TELLING THE TRUTH!
But your still welcome just the same.

MY humble opinion.
and thats a fact Jack!

Stellar,

Satan directs me, Thank you very much, Maybe God will tell you what you just said.

Satan also wanted to sift Peter:

(AMOS 9:9) For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of
Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet
shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. (KJV)

Seems like God’s word also wants to sift Peter.

God told Satan in Job “You moved Me against Job without a Cause” (it is just a similitude, not a real conversation). Strange how God’s word also moved God against Job without a Cause, God said “I try the hearts and reigns of men.” so Cause or not, Job gets tested.

Zandore.

I do not worry too much how others see me. Unless that Other is the Lord. And mankind did not see the Lord too well, did they? How About God the Father? You have read the words here in this thread, Do they see Him well? Do they show God respect in this thread?

If they hate God here, Should they then love me? Or should I desire respect? Jesus did not say to go out and earn respect, He said to speak the truth, and if they hated Me, they will hate you also.

I do not have bread and milk for kiddies. I have hard doctrines which God said is about to become knowledge throughout the earth. For the waters are about to cover the sea, or Israel will see Jesus is the Messiah.

(ISAIAH 11:9) They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy
mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord,
as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)

If I am turning off people to religion, What are you calling religion? Many churches will tell you that Religion is not even desired. Many people have Religion which do not even have Christ.

That verse is for preachers of Sound doctrine (error). All are saved, Ask the Church that? Ask if there are those who are shut out, and they will proclaim YES. They do not know God, nor do they understand Grace. They do not see Jesus made an end of sin and brought in everlasting righteousness.

Long prayer? Maybe. But if I was speaking for myself, then measure the word count, If God is using me, Measure the value of the words.

Loud laughter, Try listening to what the lord says about those who laugh now. I said I listen, I did not say I follow what ever someone tells me.

When God speaks, there is no need to answer. He speaks quite clear, and has no need for you to answer Him. You got the full message.

I will watch God’s word and what He directs, the concepts He shows. I will let Him keep an eye on me, If there is something wrong, I have no doubt He will address it.

This is like a letter I got back after writing a radio Evangelist. I listed concept after concept, mainly as Posed questions. I got a three page letter back chewing me out for not enclosing a stamped self addressed envelope after asking questions.

Address the issues, Address the Concepts, Address God’s words and the interpretation of them.

If your ways were right, all would have accepted Jesus already. But they seem to be going away? Why? Christianity has not used my ways.

Ken

One of the "others just might be God. The way you are trying to spread the word is not the right way. Yes they see him well it is you that is a different story . Read my lips ken YES WE DO show him respect. I will say it again "If it gives a person hope than it is good, But if it is used to cause pain then it is evil" and you ken are causing pain by the way you try to preach.OOPS! That might be true if I was trying to spread the word.

MY humble opinion.
and thats a fact Jack!

Zandore,

Your opinion on it not being the right way, that I am spreading God’s word. Unless God gave you the judgment call on that. Or have to taken that Judgment call from God without His permission?

And there is no doubt that He sees each word I write, Now for the Scary thought, He might even be the one giving me the words.

They see God well? Did you read the names? Murder, mass killer, to name a few, and the name of NON-Existant. They see God real well. SURE they do.

Zandore, LISTEN!. I am referring to the others on this thread, ALL the Others. Does everyone writing on this thread Respect God? How about Freespyryt? She started the Thread, How much does she respect God?

??? If you were trying to spread the Word??? You believe in God? You believe in Christ? And you are not trying to spread the word? Ever hear of what is called the GREAT COMMISSION?

Ken

Maybe god DID give him the judgement call on that.



Or he might be giving everyone else the words "Stop preaching."



Not everyone believes that they should respect god (be it the real being or the fictional character).

Don't say God is writing for you when you are consulting your own mind. If God were writing for you, you'd at least know of the existence of angels. God knows what He created. You obviously don't.

And yes, I respect God. Do you?

And for the record, YOU can't judge either. Man was not made for judgement.

God speaks to you through many people? LIKE WHO? Who have you seen that had told you God is speaking to you? Have you had visions, dreams that can be backed up with evidence...anything??? I'm not saying God doesn't talk to people, but to say that God is talking to you through other people sounds like you're part of some cult.

I'm assuming you haven't actually seen or heard anything by the way you say 'from other people'.

And yes, you DO have to respect others. Respect ALL life, God made EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.

It doesn't however, mean that you have to be a doormat, or not stand up for what you believe in.

Edit; combined consecutive posts.

Dear Mr. Ken,

I was just passing by when the racket here caught attention. I don't subscribe to your cosmology as I belong to another religion, but I think you deserve serious attention. Quite brilliant, some of your renditions of the scripture - Iam moved to equate them with passages in Hindu Tantra texts, which again use similitudes of poetic perfection to drive home certain teleological principles. For example, the snake, in these scriptures is the microcosm of the original universal energy. I see that your scripture shares the metaphor. I haven't read Bible earnestly, so drawing a comparison might be foolish. What really caught my attention is the logical precision with which you approach the whole body - in fact, reading through the thread, it was amusing to find you using the tool of your opponent camp - logic - so brilliantly to drive home your campaign. Issues like these should be moderated to curb personal attack. Tools of Rhetoric seem to be the refuge of many 'debators' here.

Take care
Kochin

Read my lips YES. I think if you give them a chance most will and the rest will have some level of respect for him whether we believe or not.

Every one heals differently. In the end after healing she might have respect or not I don't know but she wont with the way you are going. Besides that it is "HER CHOICE" not yours not mine but hers to make.

Some times the truth hurts. If you have read the Bible it states in it whole cities, armies wiped out, not to mention the great flood. Oh I am sorry you don't believe in the flood.

No it is not a scary thought.

Have you taken liberty to spread the word without his permission?


Stellar, Ashley I agree with you both 100% Thank you!
MY humble opinion and thats a fact Jack!