zandore,

went back and checked it out... Ha

No I think he believes in himself... He thinks he has all the answers, and he thinks he is always right...
Thats his problem... He doesn't open his eyes, mind, or heart to anything but what he chooses, and thats a fatal flaw...
Even though me and you dont believe the same things, I dont shut your views out and tell you your wrong... I might disagree with you, but thats my opinion...
He is a closed minded individual, and that will really get him nowhere in life... I really dont think God ever wanted man to be closed mined... We can state what we believe, and stand by it... But to lose respect and understanding for your fellow man, like he has, is not good...

I am glad we can see that...

Just my humble opinion...

LBD

When Man (singular or plural) become stagnate they will die. One has to keep an open mind to learn new things even if these things go against what we believe.

DEFINITELY!

Maybe thats why his posts seem stagnate.. Seems his words are empty...

just my opinion..

LBD

Your opinion or my fact?

Ha Ha...

I guess it could go either way... lol

LBD

Flip a coin?

LOL

sure, why not...

LBD

Tails, You lose my fact.

lol

Ok, I submit to the awesome power of the coin... mwahaha

LBD

Or a two tailed coin?

Ha Ha...

Either way you would win... lol Not fair... *cry*

LBD

Zandore,

There is no hard scientific evidence for Evolution. They can not even produce the simplest form of life, OR is it that there is no SIMPLE form of life.

I do not care if you have a tail, I do not care how God brought mankind into existence. It is the Spiritual part of mankind that makes us different, Tail or no tail.

But it sure does aggravate you. Maybe if you pray more, your tail might shrink. Kind of like a little wooden puppet whose nose grows in reverse.


Lightbeyondthedark and Zandore Good friends? That is just great. According to Sound Christian Doctrine (not truth but it SOUNDS good) Zandore is going to hell. And Zandore's Good Friend knows it? And is letting Zandore go without trying to reach out to prevent it?

Good thing Jesus ended sin, For with friends like that, You could drown as they were sitting by a life preserver, And they would not even think enough to toss it to you. GUESS Who the Life Preserver is?

Don’t worry Zandore, Jesus took away sin, Your CLAIM of unbelief will not keep you from Heaven, Even if you really believed it yourself.

Two Tailed Zandore?

Ken

and the Holy Ken1Burton, the iluminated prophet speak, an all rejoice!!


next holy prophet please!

Ken,

Look at you... You try to play the Judge, Jury, and executioner...
Yeah I would consider me and zandore friends... I have many friends who do not think the way I do... It is not my place to tell them they are going to hell...
Who do you think you are going to reach with a message like that? God does not want us to turn to him out of a fear of going to hell... He wants us to turn to him because of the love he has for us... Its not my place, even as a messenger of God, to tell zandore or anyone what to think... All I can do is tell them Gods message, and that he loves them... They have the choice to believe or not... God gave them that, and its something neither you or I can take that away... God is the only one who can see into the hearts of men, you can't and I can't... So you continue to spread what you believe to be the message, and I will do the same...
Lower yourself to level you really belong on... And thats the level we are all on...

just my humble opinion...

LBD

Holy maccaroni, LightBeyondDark: Can we be friends?

As long as you respect me and what I believe... I dont see why not...

LBD

Of course.. I don't even know you, your situation and what influences you to think the way you do. I can't question that. It would seem, it is better to be passionate of something than to not be at all.

Well said... My friend...

LBD

A pleasure to be your friend

Thank you... And the same to you...

LBD

Lightbeyondthedark.

It IS YOUR PLACE to try to prevent another from going to hell if you believe they are going there. That is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

(EZEKIEL 3:18) When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die;
and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked
from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall
die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 3:19) Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from
his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his
iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. (KJV)

You know what God said in the Scriptures as far as unbelief. That it is wickedness, NOW, You do not believe Jesus took away sin, So you have God’s message to those who do not believe. But you don’t want to offend them. Cute.

You believe in an eternal damnation and you see Scripture that Zandore and others will be going there and you sit there idle? If it were true, and unbelievers went to hell, then God would require it of you also.

For lack of caring is as great a sin as any you can commit against another or God. Good thing Jesus took away the sin of the world, or your goose would be cooked as well.

For taking the Name of the Lord in Vain is not profanity, It is becoming a Christian and being indifferent to sharing God's words with those who need them most.


Ken

Ken,

Can I make someone believe something? Do I have voodoo powers that can automatically change the way someone thinks? I don't think so...
Thats something I have accepted... Its something you need to accept...
Yes, we can deliver the message, but we can't make people believe it... And that the way it is...

just my opinion...

LBD

Ken,

Yes I believe very much that there is a hell... And I also believe that non-believers will go there... But I firmly believe Gods want me to spread the word of his love... How am I ever going to help anyone bye saying "YOUR GOING TO HELL!"? Gods love is the way to bring people to him, not fear...

just my opinion...

LBD

you know, in my opinion, which is just as credible as your opinion, i think it's the fellows that say "you're going to hell mister!" that are going to hell!!!! i mean, they're such horrible people, going around shouting that at people, getting people all wound up and stuff, totally immoral...yup they're going to hell....

just messing! i don't believe in hell but i really can't stand peeps that go around "look at me, i'm so holy, and you're all going to hell cause you're not like me, holy and stuff" seriously, just concentrate on yourself and leave us 'sinners' alone no really, seriously, if you really believe that we're going to hell fine, your entitled to believe that, but don't go round preaching to people, it'll get you nowhere and all you will have accomplished is giving folks headaches, your wasting your breathe. it is not your responsibility to prevent anyone from going to hell. that would be their resposibility, but then again, i don't believe in hell...

if there is a god, i believe he'd never allow a 'hell' to exist, and if he did i'd want nothing to do with such a god, i sure as hell (pardon the pun ) wouldn't worship him/her/it.

Then why don't you control your anger? Instead of judging people, take a look at the inside of your own glass, and also the outside.

Take your own humble advice and stop gossiping. I sadly went on a wild-goose-chase to see if you were being nice to me and then deciding you don't like me. Unfortunate, I know. And I'm sorry; but either way, even though I was falsely alarmed, I do know that it's unfortunate that you band together with a man in pointing out another's flaws.

Instead of joining in with it and agreeing with zandore, perhaps it would be better for all peace to simply ignore zandore, or at least don't stand up in pledge for him on matters involving another's character. You clearly are talking about him/her as if they don't even exist.

This is a public forum. I myself almost took offense to it until I realized you weren't talking about me...I thought zandore was jumping on a bandwagon. I'll let this be a lesson for myself. I'll only ask that you do also.

If I lived somewhere else, I could argue there is no smog. Moreover, the fact being this is a healthy planet in comparison to the moon or Mars. Why don't, instead of running from problems and starting new ones, they stay here and fix in fact the smog and what you think are problems? How about litter? They could spend all that money to clean up the litter instead of leaving it there and fleeing to the next biggest rock with our resources. I'm sure half the problems involved with living would be magnified on the moon being such a different climate.

Yes, curiousity and "amazement" lead people interested to see the moon as a thriving oasis; but get real. I'd rather see the Sahara desert transformed than a moon who can't even share our rain. Moreover, I'm more concerned about humanity, spirituality, peace, love, etc. than a science experiment.

If you can tell me that a little water can actually grow a tree in lunar soil, then I will consider believing that it might be beneficial--assuming it would be possible for them to take such large portions of salt (yes, salt--don't waste our good water, let evaporation play it course) water to the moon to create a sustainable atmosphere to actually plenish the moon, among which without damaging our ecoysystem. Otherwise, I am looking at the effect of the entire ripple from man's neglect for his neighbor in order to play cowboys and spacemen.

Lightbeyondthedark.

Isn’t the reality of the matter, You really do not believe in your heart that God would take Zandore or any one else and roast them for eternity? That is not a million years, or a billion, It is endless burning.

Hell was a place of sleep till Jesus died for sin, Then they are revived after two days, and in the Third day they are raised with Christ. Sorry to disappoint all those who have gathered a list of people to watch burn later.

(HOSEA 6:2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (KJV)
(HOSEA 6:3) Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord:
his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto
us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. (KJV)

If people really believed in hell, they would be scared to death of doing anything that would result in them or a loved one going there.

Some people when they first come to Christ do believe this, and they are beside themselves trying to save their loved ones. Upsetting everyone around them. But as they learn of God, they know He is not like that. He said to love your enemies, and He loves even His.

This world or planet we live on is beautiful beyond compare. A world where all these different forms of life for the most part co-exists. God did a very good job. We tend to mess it up, But He has more love for us then to take our messes personal.

And the closest planet that will sustain life is about two minutes away by Imagination. Dream of one, that is the only way you will get there. Unless you plan on Suspended Animation, for a few thousand years for a START. Then wake up, Turn the steering wheel and take another nap for a few thousand years.

Thousands and Millions of light years away, and your spaceship will only do 40 miles an hour. Better stay where we are. God made the Earth to be inhabited, and He provided for mankind long before He created us. The Coal, the Natural gas, the Oil, all needed. For mankind might have even died off already without it.

Ken

Should I go through the trouble to show you exactly why you are the aggressor?



No, obviously I dont. I dont believe in it, I dont have the same view on it as you, therefor I dont understand it. Only people with your beliefs understand it.



Again, bull sh**. You dont "speak the truth" you speak your belief. By saying your belief is the truth, YOU are saying people with other beliefs are wrong, and therefor YOU are the antagonist.





Thats a joke, right?



Maybe you should stop telling others what they should and shouldnt do?



They ARE spending money on that!



Just as you could spend your time picking up litter instead of posting on an internet forum... but you're not.



That "science experiment" can benefit everyone.



Instead of the moon, talk Mars. That isnt that unrealistic of a dream as you think.

Ken1Burton, are you saying you don't have to do NOTHING to enter the kingdom of heaven?

That's the impression I'm getting, and the way you're saying it, I like.

Hmm...
Well, do you even know who we were talking about?
I am sorry if you took almost took offense to something, but all that was said was just my opinion...

LBD

Ha... Thats funny... It actually made me laugh...

If thats the honest impression you get from Ken about christianity, thats a very wrong message...

just my opinion...

LBD
~peace

WHAT!?!

I have said several times I know theres a Hell...
Honestly, I would want a God that wouldn't send anyone to Hell... But I trust my God... God said there is Hell, so I know there is one...

just my humble opinion...

LBD

Aww..? You've just busted my hopes and cause imbalance to what I had evenly compromised between agnosticsm and christianity
Yet I still appreaciate you LBD For some reason it feels good embracing ex-enemies.

Thanks... I agree... A good balance of views and opinions...

LBD
~peace

you and your bible ken

can you make a post without it?

You can roll your eyes all you want, but if you understood it you'd probably believe it. One must firmly practice Christianity to undertand it; moreover, most of us don't even understand it completely. It is a deep mystery, because Jesus always spoke from the Father's words and, never ever saying anything false or that would entrap him, it takes a lot of study to begin to scrape the surface of the deep meanings of Jesus' words.



You are wrong; and I never said I am always right. If I believe I am right, however, speaking what I know is the truth (and saying "I know" is in reference to my belief, so don't criticize me again for not letting you force me to compromise or entrap my beliefs/faith with my words), then, yes, if I know I am right, and someone says contrary, then yes, I know they are wrong. This doesn't apply to everything. Rather, this fact of reality/principal is how everyone thinks and talks; this is how life works. Is this news to you?



If you hadn't noticed, I am a person, and as such I do in fact talk with other people. I am allowed to talk to people, especially people who came and gave me advice first on how to better myself. Why then is it wrong to talk like another human-being with that person? Do we need to teach you what friendly conversation is? Or how about constructive criticism?



And yet billions more not on that.



I don't have as much power as people in NASA. I won't compare myself to them. If you want to keep out-bursting that I should be like something I am not, even though if I could I would (Lord willing), then go ahead. But you've got the bottom line.



Regardless, it is a waste of money. We already know how cold winter can be; Mars would probably obviously be a horrible place to live unless you're an eskimo or take more of our resources and money for your journey.

Christhservant:

First: Stellar have right. You are saying that you belive is right and everything else is wrong. You were doing that almost since you come to the forum.

Second: There are millons in funding ways to fix the climate and the ecohabitat.

Third: Do you know the egg basket argument. It is about if you have all the eggs in a basket and a rock fall, you lost all the egg. Its the same whit humanity. I we want to secure the future of our race, we need to expand, so if an astronomical incident has a meteor happens, we dont get extinct.

Fourth: For the moment, if we colonize Mars or the Moon, we will live in closed habitats or underground, because neither planet ( the moon isnt a planet, but well) had a suitable atmosphere to us. Mars can be terraformed (make it more like the earth) but that is very dificult and could take hundreds of years, at best.


Our future is the expanding of our habitats, like it o not. I you feel endargered by that, well, live whit that.

Thats the holier than thou attitude we dont like right there. No, just because we dont believe it doesnt mean that we dont understand.



You do realise that a lot of atheists were at one point christian or some other religion, right?



The majority of polite people try not to say they "know" their beliefs to be true out of respect to other people and their beliefs. As I have said many times, you are elevating your beliefs to facts, and that is wrong. Its obvious that you wish to remain the antagonist because you do not wish to be polite and simply say "I believe its the truth" instead of "Its the truth".



Apparently, they didnt teach you how to be polite. Did he ask you to tell him what to do?



Just as much of your time and money is not spent feeding the poor too.



Thats no excuse.



You complain that a percentage of the governments earnings is going towards space exploration, and you think it should ALL be spent towards picking up litter. Well then, you should also spend ALL the money and free time going towards your entertainment into picking up as much litter as you can. Otherwise, you're being hipocritical... just like people who complain about the results of an election but didnt go to vote.



Only in your opinion. Your opinion is not the be-all end-all decision. I think you preaching is a wast of time and money, but you dont think so. I dont call you mentally retarded for believing that though.



Maybe you arent aware of this, but they can make buildings with a very warm temperature for people to live inside. Not only that, but there are a number of ways being contemplated to terraform Mars.



Not hundreds, actually. I read of a method a long time ago th at would take only 100 years to warm up Mars... but in the future, as tech advances, it'll diminish.



Not only that, but in the interests of avoiding abortions, we will have to. The Earth will become a crowded place and overpopulated... if we stick to Earth, that could end up with disaster.

This is exactly the kind of views we could do without. People like you never get anything done or accomplish anything that would take humanity forward in understanding of everything. You just sit back and wait for god or something to tell you. If everyone thought your way, The human species would not last very long.

All takes is 1 big rock to hit earth and take humans out forever, considering the fact that there is a small chance we might be the only life in the universe. its best to spread out to avoid the extinction of the human race, that is why we need to explore NOW, because we have no idea when it could happen.

Hello everyone,

Atheism - is a belief just like religion. Religion mean "way of life" in the dictionary, this belief mean a belief that there is no God. This reality bring a person to severe depression because God is Love itself and many people who have over the yrs come to believe this ultimately struggle with this.

Evolution is an accepted theory on earth only because that is what the US public school board appoves because anything else that teaches about God can create issues between the differences. Has anyone thought that possibley man on earth was created in a different way? possibley by a real God?

I have come to understand that each and every person of earth is different. We are only the same and united with one common factor - fear.

The reason the word God has so many concepts and characters is because of religion which has ruined the meaning of the word. For example: God of the sun, God of fire, God of water, etc. God is a name and not a person or it, God is feelings. A person has emotional fear that is not from God, it was born and developed from slavery. At the times of slavery the masters of the slaves used them for different purposes. For example: Some masters used slaves as poets and artists. The poets and artists were threatened by other slaves who had similar talents. From the fear of survival they began to build thoughts on how to seperate themselves from others in the eyes of their masters, while slandering and creating lies about their peers so their masters don't throw them to work like dogs with everyone else.This still applies today between talented people. Every one of them wants to be the one and only. This is where emotional fear was born and people began to develop from fear and the evolution becaame distorted People seperate themselves into categories and create their own beliefs from fear and pain and survival. Fear was created by the Mind which buit thoughts and words in a way to reach its goals.

"Imagine colossal feelings of extraordinary size and power that breathe love in
the form of a yellow, soft, life substance that exist inside of you and
everywhere you look. Inside this mass of living feelings you hear a " voice"
that envelopes you with its warmth and light, giving peace and the desire to
live forever..."
God - is not a person. God is feelings that can see, hear and feel all on the
outside as well as on the inside. "


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People do not get along in well between various religions or various organizations because they were mostly created in a fear based society.
If God is from everyone, why do you need a religion? if God is Universal then what is the reason for a personal God?

I think that if people didn't read Emmanuel Swedenborg, history books or even the bible, for example they would still search for the meaning of life and purpose on earth. The bible has been writeen and written by many different people and trust me that each one of them added on to God what they wanted for himself.
I would like to hear about what each and everyone of you has found for himself, more so then the writing you quote or the bible. Experience is everything and that is something that you can only get from real life.

"I look under the book , between the pages, up in the sky and under the desk and still Love doesn't live there, strange.
I finally realize that the things that I've learned I carry in my heart and Soul inside. Have I waisted my time with the books that I read? shall I be searching another thread? Ah, alas! I found the connection that brings forth God source of redemption".
(I just made it up)

Blessing to all,
Sophia

Maybe you should learn a bit more about evolution first. Evolution is not only accepted because its approved by US public schools, its accepted because its a scientific theory supported by evidence. Not only that, but evolution DOES NOT deal with how life was created. You can have god and evolution coexisting. And not only that, but yes, people have thought that man could have been put here directly by god, but theres really no evidence of that, nor of which god.

Open your eyes ken, You say that there is no evidence of evolution? Are you saying that I am lying? That if I pray that my nose will shrink? My sad sad friend ken...."I forgive you" Just like your God wants you to do. I hope he will forgive you. As far as LBD letting me go to hell That is his business not yours and I don't believe in God so I on the same hand don't believe in hell. A 'Two Tailed Zandore" good joke but that does not give me an answer to the question I asked. Are you so far out of reality that you are ignoring your own tail?
Just my "Two Tailed Zandore" opinion!
PS. ken just remember "I forgive you for your transgressions.

No it is not LBD (Not aimed at you my friend) OR YOUR place to try to convert me ken, It is my responsibility if I choose and I choose not to. LBD cares the right way, you do not. Also ken read the 10 Commandments, Concentrate on number 2. It is a sin to take the lords name in vain. You break 1 Commandment and you break them all. May the Lord God have mercy on your soul.
Just my "two tailed zandore" opinion!

I do keep control of my anger. It is hard to keep control of my laughter when responding to ken and sometimes you though.
just my "two tailed zandore" opinion!

CS do you agree with ken and his ravings? He can not keep his Bible straight. Read some of the things he has posted, States that the flood did not happen, It is ok to take the Lords name in vain and I can go on with the transgressions he has done but I want you to read them for yourself. After you read them you might think about ignoring ken till he gets the Lords words correct.
Thats a fact Jack!

Yes, you keep saying this. I still insist you are wrong when you say this; I didn't say everything else is wrong, because I am open to learning. But I do admit that when I say I firmly believe something, such as Jesus is Lord, then yes, I'll tell you that any opposing arguments are wrong--just as any believer would. So, why do you insist there is something wrong with me, as opposed to others?



That doesn't fix the waste.



I don't care, you already know I am a Christian, and so I have my own views on how the world is going to end. If you don't like it, don't talk to me. I won't compromise my beliefs (yes, the truth--and if I didn't regard or say it is the truth, it would not longer be my belief, so learn some respect) simply because you want to keep telling me how angry I make you for not thinking like you do.

I'm not asking you to have so many problems with me; and yet you criticize my character ruthlessly, and so far endlessly, simply because I am strong in my beliefs. You yourself are strong in yours; and yet I don't keep nagging you for speaking your opinion.



I know we will be in closed habitats.



I don't feel endangered. I just simply feel it is better to serve humanity and love than curiousity and "what's cool". We could use greenhouses all over the planet, as well as many more dug wells to help starving countries and villages. Do you in fact feel endangered by Christianity? It is Christianity that says, "love your neighbor as yourself", and, "woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry".

Because you say its a fact that its wrong, instead of you believe its wrong.



No, not the truth, your belief

I am holier-than-thou for speaking on behalf of my Lord, and what I regard as superior to you? Any true Christian thinks like this, so don't talk to me like I'm wildly out-of-place. There are many Christians in this world, so don't go on a rampage feeling violated for hearing the truth regarding me--trying to discourage other Christians from taking the same strong-minded view. Many Christians believe this, and, in fact, other religions probably feel the same way, so what are you trying to prove?

Do I go to you attempting to shut you up for what you believe or live by? God and Jesus Christ are very real to me; and to any true Christian. Why should we devalue our truths for what you say is offensive? I've told you before you are making a direct attack on Christ. I am not wrong here--you just might be unfamiliar and foreign to having any strong belief system (especially being opposed by others for it) to which you fight/struggle to keep afloat.



Why should I lower myself to speak on behalf of men, when I am meant to speak on behalf of Christ? It is not impolite to stand up for one's belief; moreover, why do you judge when you yourself are not in my position? I am subject to the Judge. Likewise, I know (yes, it is my belief) that you are subject to the Judge also. Why then ought I lower my confidence in the Lord for you?

The Bible warns us of people like you who oppose us, and it tells us not to become discouraged. It is you who constantly come looking after me and responding to all of my posts. How then am I antagonizing you, when you are deliberately seeking me out, as if on radar? You seem surprised that I defend myself. If you wish, I can stop defending myself and let you continue to antagonize me, as you have been doing. Anytime I post regarding my beliefs, you're always there to zero in on me as if it is wildly out of character to have anything to do with Christianity or spirituality--as if it is so offensively harrassing you to even mention it.

Yet any single time I venture near the area, you are there to antagonize. How then do you justify your unfair treatment, being that you constantly ride me anytime I mention something involving my belief in Christ? Don't tell me that I am overdoing it, because you never let any post slip by. Justify yourself for following me around and complaining about my religion.

If you refuse to cut me a break, how then can you even suggest that I am antagonizing you? Especially when you respond to me and follow me around when I am not even talking directly to you. Thanks, I'd like to know--since it seems you want me to shut up.

Admit you want me to shut up (especially in regards to my beliefs), and I will. Otherwise I am not morally obligated, in my beliefs, to do so. Until you admit that your sole purpose for seeking me out is to shut me up, then I will not do so, because I will have no moral obligation toward you to do it.



Are you his older brother?



Do you know what I do or spend?



I did not say all money should go to litter; and moreover, isn't because of my own taxes that the government's budget grew? Why then do hate me?

When you speak, do you not speak on behalf of the truth--your beliefs? Why then should I waltz around like an uncertain donkey?