No, I speak on behalf of my belief. I say I believe my belief is right, but I dont say it is right.

Okay, well know that I love you, and God loves you too!

Let me be so kind as to remind you of a post of Stellar's

Kerkido.

NOTHING. It is what Jesus did that provided all mankind with access to God. And an access which can not be refused. At death all remember and turn unto Him.

(PSALMS 22:27) All the ends of the world shall remember and turn
unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship
before thee. (KJV)

By God placing upon Jesus the iniquity of us all in Isaiah 53:6 and Jesus rendering to man His righteousness in Job 33:26 all mankind is saved by the grace of God. EVERY single person.

(ISAIAH 53:6) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned
every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the
iniquity of us all. (KJV)

(JOB 33:26) He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto
him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto
man his righteousness. (KJV)

These two things were used the day of the cross when all prophecies concerning Jesus would be fulfilled as Luke 18:31 shows, One of those prophecies concerning Jesus is making an end of sin, and bringing in Everlasting righteousness seen in Daniel 9:24. The SEAL in Daniel kept the Disciples and Paul, and most of Christians even now from seeing sin ended as Accountable unto man.

The day of the cross is a day taken out of time, A space between the Old World and the New World, so it can be for a day, a week, a thousand years, Daniel saw it as 70 weeks.

(DANIEL 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon
thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of
sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in
everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy. (KJV)

So your impression is Correct, that is exactly what I am saying. For it is what Jesus did fulfilling the prophecies which God inspired which saves us, not ourselves and our actions.

So by grace are we saved, Through Faith, and that not of ourselves. Jesus rendered to us His righteousness and His faith was part of that, So all our righteousness is as Filthy rags, because we all have His.

So as we die and go to heaven, we see the real love God has had for us, and those then that are forgiven more, will loveth more.

Hell ended the third day when Jesus rose with the dead. Those out of hell, also seen as those out of Great Tribulation are by heaven’s gate bearing witness to the Love and Mercy of God to all those who really do not wish to enter. They SPEAK to the enemies in the gate.

Hell was a place of sleep till Jesus died for sin, After 2 days He revives them, in the Third day He raises them up. Those in hell (pit wherein is no water) were set free with Jesus, Jesus took future sins to Golgotha, Past and present sins then were ended by His stripes we are healed.

(HOSEA 6:2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (KJV)

(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (KJV)

(ISAIAH 26:19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body
shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy
dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. (KJV)


Lightbeyondthedark.

Why do you need an opinion? Why not search out the Scriptures to find Truth. I am not giving my opinion, I am showing what the Scriptures reveal, and giving the references so the concept can be searched out. For OUR opinions are not of very much value, it is God’s truth that is important.

He has given us a lot of His Truths in Scripture, Seek and ye shall find, And you might not like the findings, But if they show themselves truth, Accept them till they can be proven otherwise.

We have far too many opinions, We need a sound foundation. And God’s word is just that. And it all has to fit together. God blinded the Jewish nation from seeing Jesus is the Messiah in Isaiah 29:10/12, So the Jewish nation saying Jesus is not the Messiah is because they were sealed from seeing the truth for a time (2,000 years)

(ISAIAH 29:10) For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of
deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your
rulers, the seers hath he covered. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 29:11) And the vision of all is become unto you as the
words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is
learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot;
for it is sealed: (KJV)
(ISAIAH 29:12) And the book is delivered to him that is not
learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not
learned. (KJV)

Daniel 9:24 also has a SEAL, a Seal which has kept the Church from seeing sin ended as Accountable unto man because the Disciples also did not see past the seal and spoke error, Having been sealed by God from seeing the truth. We are all saved by grace.


God said there is a hell, so there is one? There is a Cross, Is Jesus still hanging there? Or was the Cross for a certain time?

Hell is part of God’s word, and God’s word is seen like as a fire in Jeremiah 23:29. Hell will always be spoken of. It is everlasting as God’s word is. But hell is seen in Isaiah chapter 14. And the Similitude which shows Hell ceasing to exist is verse 31.

Jesus making and end of sin, and bringing in everlasting righteousness as Daniel 9:24 shows makes hell of no value.

The day of the cross is as 1,000 years, The rest of the dead lived not again till the 1,000 years was over, that is the Second day, when Jesus went into hell (Makes His bed in hell) a place of sleep till Jesus revived them.

But who are they looking at in Isaiah chapter 14. Lucifer means Morning star. Jesus said “I am the Bright and Morning Star.” It is Jesus they see, It is Jesus they wonder why He did not set His prisoners free, they do not know it is the Second day, they have to wait till the third day to be set free as Zechariah 9:11 shows.


Whoa.

NO, My Bible is welded within me. When I open my mouth, the abundance of my heart quote Scripture. Funny thing is, That is just what I am suppose to do. Giving your life to Christ means you decrease, and He increases. And I have no problem with that concept in my life.

It would be very hard to make a post without Scripture, God made a post on a hill called Golgotha because He loves us both. He was not about to lose either of us. Kind of like God telling Jesus, “Just get them all Home, Even if it kills You.”


Best to spread out now? Why not sent out billions of tiny spacecraft with a few bacteria frozen in there, so if they hit a planet that is habitable, They can grow and evolve, and we can end up with Human races all over. Better pack a Bible with them, We do not want them all to grow up as Atheists.

Spohia

Cute, How this “Godfeeling” inspired so many different people to write the events of one day in the future and get them all right. Almost as If HE WERE A REAL PERSON.

Stellar.

Evolution is not ACCEPTED, It is used because any other form would cause a lot of problems, The Schools can not use God, Buddah, or any other form of Religion belief, so they chose to use no belief, But an assumption.


Zandore.

I have no problem with Evolution as an Ongoing process which God built into the Creation. Understand that? I am saying Evolution is not what started life as we know it physically on this planet. That Evolution is not the Source of Life.

Life as we know it was created. It is far too complicated to have just come into existence. Too many things would have been needed when life first started, Death would have evolved in moments as second. And any life form did not have thousands of years to evolve what it would need to survive.

I do not need forgiveness, Jesus took all my iniquity upon Himself when He went up to Golgotha, along with the unbelief of all mankind, and any other things that separated us from God, Jesus paid it all. What we have today is those things which would have separated us from God, Had Jesus not taken them upon Himself.


Sorry, But being part of the Body of Christ, we are OUR BROTHERS KEEPERS. God might not have recorded a answer to Cain when He asked of that, But I know the answer. I was showing Lightbeyondthedark that he does not really believe God would roast you for eternity, But many in the church does, You can thank God, they are wrong.

Oh course I am ignoring my own tail, What would you have me do? Chase it like the Scientists?

By the way, I did no trespass. For out of love I am trying to show you the God that loves you, and I have no doubt you also love back. If I can get you two together, That is my job, and I will try to get it done as easily and as painless as I can. Make that also as Quickly.

I would rather you went to God happy at death to be with Him, Instead of having to have a talk with those by the gates and learn of God’s love then.


Let me add something about wasting money on space or anything else. As if we really need to keep our grass about an inch high. Many of the things we do provide jobs and a source or income for millions and billions of people, And most need as way of earning a living.

So millions of people are making lawn mowers, weed eaters. Snow mobiles, etc. We do not all need to just provide that which mankind needs to survive, we need to provide each other with employment to be occupied with. Not just sending everyone a check to get by.

So we have millions of non-essential products on the Market. Just trinkets, some near worthless items just to gather dust, But someone made enough (hopefully) to provide for themselfs and maybe others.

We can not put all the money in the bank, we need to get it into circulation. And if the National Debt bothers you, Ask when you look at your debt, and forget to give value to your assets also, Start with two thirds of Alaska as National parks. Watch the States buy up land, as they get the money tied up.

Ken

I think I know enough about evolution , I can see how several people here have accepted this idea. Recently the stamp out of the science books was luckly taken of the book out as the approved theory, I forgot to mention that.
Maybe there is a new theory of coexistance of GOd and evolution but I have not seen one school book in the US public schools that demonstates this yet, if you have any material I will be glad to see it.
I have seen the hypothesis but no actual acceptance of the reality.
The only reason that you actually do still have some vague understanding is because you have a soul from God the gives an impulse that he may exist. This high tech design is what will lead each and everyperson to search for the ultimate truth. The challenge is giving up the things you are convinced off.

So you say all christians act holier than thou? Maybe people wouldnt be frustrated with them if they didnt act that way.



I dont care if they feel like that, but they shouldnt act like that towards others...

Its that kind of attitude that breads hatred and discrimination.

Pfft, and some christians have come to this forum saying its the Atheists with no morals



I thought there was this thing called lying... and that it was considered a sin in christianity?! Elevating your belief to a fact is lying, and not only that, its intolerant and rude. I am not attacking Christianity by saying this, Im attacking you're attitude... and I'M right.



My my,the arrogance is astounding.

You are not lowering yourself by telling the truth. What? Is your belief so fragile that you must lie in order to keep it intact?



It is the way you're doing it.



I freely admit that my belief is a belief and not a fact... it doesnt lower my confidence in my belief.



If I posted a thread saying "Christservant is guided by the devil. He is evil and rude. He is a liar and an inbred. " and if you responded, would that make you the antagonist?

You're posting on a public forum, that means we all see your post, and we have the right to respond to it. You are the antagonist for posting what you post, not me for replying to it. And deflate your ego a bit, I check the threads an a routine basis, Im not following you around.



How about we ask a mod who the antagonist is?



You ARE harassing EVERYONE with a belief other than yours by the way you post.



Nope... learn your terms. Im more along the lines of the protagonist.



Im not following you around. I visit this thread regularly... but I dont complain about LBD because he freely admits his beliefs are beliefs and not facts. Every one of your posts though, you act holier than thou and act as if your belief is fact, which it is not. And no, I'm not unfair, its you who is unfair.



Because you're attacking everyone elses beliefs.



I dont care if you talk about your beliefs, as long as you talk politely, which includes not talking in absolutes and without that holier than thou attitude.



Are you his father to tell him what to do?



It doesnt matter since I see you're not devoting all your time and money to picking up litter.



Indeed you did. You just said that the money spent on space exploration should go to picking up the litter and such.

You dont if you think that evolution deals with the creation of life.



Theres no evidence of god, therefor theres no room in science to teach of god, and thats why its not in schools in the US. Evolution in no way disproves the belief of god existing because evolution doesnt deal with that.



Which hypothesis?



I quite doubt the reason I'm looking for the truth is because god made me that way...

Let me get this straight Jesus is Lucifer? You got to be joking ken! Wanting to offer someone up for sacrifice. That is illegal, immoral, and I believe against the Bible (Thou shalt not kill). Whoa I hope this does not mean you have to start looking over your shoulder.Why I do and many many people do every day.
Why? If they have to listen to this kind of ...... Just let them make their own choice.Closed mined mode again ken. Scientific fact, Accepted scientific fact. Yes to use any other form would cause problems because it would be using a belief and not fact.
The Bible says that God created every thing but does it say that God created life?ken ARE YOU MAKING FUN OF MY BELIEF? I have never made fun of yours yet have I?

Hi Ken,
God does not have any forceful inclinations and from my understanding the word has not worked to date. Each person has their own authority of who they feel is their messenger of truth. For most people the search for the ultimate truth and already have a solid foundation – their soul when they are born. However, it gets polluted as we become adults and the search for happiness –our purpose in life, becomes more difficult.
I have read the bible inside out and studied many religions and to be honest I did not find God in religion, or nature, or evolution. I found him because I was very lucky that I met someone who told me about all the truths of out civilization and why, what and when. I was so skeptical in the beginning and afraid, especially of someone who could read my thoughts.
One day I realized that I am able to communicate with God and to be honest I was so shocked that it too me a long time to recover. For me just faith was not enough, what kind of faith can I have if I could not see past my nose what life is about? What kind of faith does a person have when his life is composed of black and white stripes? Depression? Pain , death or turmile?
No one on this planet helped me more the my new realization or awakening of you can call it that. This reality helped me transform my inner world of feelings into one that is free of the doubts that I do not have a sound foundation because this conviction ultimately comes from our ancestors who have passed on to us ,like a code, their lies that we will “die” and we need to save ourselves. Of course it feels great that you have a holy spirit but in reality this spirit comes from peoples knowledge and not their heart.



Please allow me to kindly disagree with God maliciously blinding people. This is a fictisious understanding because God is 100% pure love and is not capable of blinding people in the way it is described here.
The only thing that sealed the truth from people is their energy fear that blinds man completely creating doubt. What messiah is needed if one does not accept the ideas manifested by mans fear? The answer is none.


From my sources I have a different story altogether about Jesus and the ultimate truth is that Jesus was in India at this time that the crucifixion happened. A different man was hung and the only recollection in the portraits is that of someone who knew him.
I can assure you that God will never allow for someone to hurt his son but it is obviously very convenient to make up this story for people, how else are were they going to show their POWER and TOTALITARITY over man- only using religion.




It is possible to be happy on earth without waiting to die (shead the skin) and then be reborn again on earth. A person is reborn back to earth until he dissolves his fear and all his negative feelings like hate, jealousy, pity, sorrow , revenge. Today there is knowledge on how to do this. It is possible to have God love on earth and open your soul to it without waiting for the shead of your skin, only to find out you are back to point one without any memory of the previous life.

what was he doing in India?

Hotoke what would you do if you were going to be nailed to a cross? Run? I heard something about that , It could have been his brother James.
Sophika: God is a self admitted vengeful/angry God.

what would you do if you were going to be nailed to a cross? Run?


someone else was killed according to Sophika.........

Are you into reading occasional religious stuff?

yes but i believe that jesus never existed that was why i asked what he was doing in India.

Zandore,

Read Isaiah chapter 14. Look who is there, WHO is hell moved to meet? Who was to go into hell? Who was to speak to those in the grave, Who would they be surprised to see come there?

Now if you were in a prison, And you saw a Mobster there, would you ask “What are YOU doing here?” Naw, But if you saw Billy Graham as a prisoner there, Now that would generate that question.

Have you ever heard of a parent who runs back into a burning building to save a Child? Or a person who does it for ones they do not even know, Human sacrifice happens every day, Ask the Fire department. Look at the Twin towers. Most knew they might never come out alive, But they put their life on the line, That is called “Human Sacrifice” and it is not Immortal, or Illegal. It is what Jesus did for us. Isn’t it time you woke up?

It is very hard to make a post without using Scripture, that is for ME Zandore, not for You.

“Let them make their won choices.” Cute, Now what are Choices? Is that like voting in Russia where they have one person running for office?

I just hated to see God have to spend all that time getting prophets, having Jesus going to the cross there again, etc, We could just send th Truth with them.

The Bible does say God created life, I am saying, Evolution as itself without there being a God could not. That Evolution is just a process God uses, Like Survival of the fittest being part of that evolutionary process.

Zandore, I would never make fun of your belief, I do not believe in what is called fun, it is an illusion dreamed up by children, Like “Fair” it just does not exist. Also, I do not think you believe as you write any way. You just like to aggravate. But by aggravating back, I can keep the conversation going, and maybe plant a lot more seeds (Devious person that I am).

Ken

PS. The quickest way to heaven, is go down grace boulevard and take the Christ expressway.

Of course Jesus existed. Stop believing devilish lies. Just because it might be easier simply to give up and doubt doesn't make it true.

Rabbi Jesus
An Intimate Biography
by Bruce Chilton
Go to your public library and see if they have a copy of this. Did you know that Jesus had a problem with alcohol? Behavior problems ect. It gives Bible verses for reference. A real eye opener for a Christian.

Thank you Zandore, good answer


I guess if you listen and believe to what religions have made God into then I can understand where you got this understanding. In reality this is not uncommon most people on earth have this same understanding that God is going to punish them because they commit crimes in their minds and lives and try to hide them from the eyes of society.


That is very interesting Hotoke, I am really curious how you got to this realization, please share.

Sophika

Cute. I will stick to the Scriptures, The Old Testament was written before the events at Calvary which were foretold by over 40 prophets covering a thousand years of writing. All in Advance, all in detail. All existing before a child was laid in a manger in Bethlehem. And part of those prophecies which were all fulfilled is Jesus on a Cross at Golgotha.

Ken

What would ANYONE be doing in India? Going hungry like everyone else. 300 babies die each day in Calcutta alone. But don't eat a cow, Of course there is no meat on one of their cows to eat anyway. Even the animals starve.

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Stellar, I don’t think you understand anything I wrote, please re read my post .


previously you mentioned that evolution does leave room for a real God, I said that I have seen evidence of this but that it was illustrated as only a hypothesis.


Your probably right

i had a topic about this but lets just say the abscence of his appearnce in many many other scriptures other then the bible in those days is enough, Philo is one of the most renowned writers of the jews. he was born before the birth of christ and died many years after the death of christ. His home was near jeruzalem where jesus prayed with his disciples, to have performed miracles etc. The odd thing about this is Philo never mentioned jesus and his miracles. A man like jesus would surely appear in the work of Philo.



Philo who opened the eyes of the jews has never mentioned christ and Philo was a great religious person ho based his works on the hebrew bible. and this philosopher never mentioned jesus. this also goes for many historicians during those days. One of the greatest man in history is unknown to history

Theres that attitude.

You believe Jesus existed.

Maybe Christianity is a devilish lie?



If you dont know that evolution doesnt deal with the creation of life, you dont know all too much about evolution.



Could you rephrase?



Well, as such, its not a hypothesis or anything. Its simply taking into account what evolution is. Evolution states no where that there cant be a god, because god could have caused evolution. Science doesnt theorise on god because of the lack of evidence surrounding its existence.

Justus of tiberias a jewis historian lived during the crucifiction. he would live under people who just became followers of christ and thus he woudl know of jesus but his work(history of the war of independence and chronicle of events from Moses to Agrippa II (d. AD100) never commented on Jesus. Photius a byzantees theologian who knew both books commented on this with astonishment


Revised: he could actually have lived but was nothing special at all. not special enough to make a impact on the romans and jewish historians

Stellar, can you please explain to me in short what you understand is evolution ? I think we are talking about different things using the same terminology.
THere is evolution of the species, the big bang theory, evolution of thought, Darwin theory of evolution. Which one or if any others are you thinking about?



I understand

Thank you Hotoke for the interesting information about Philo. I have studied alot about Greece and Rome and lived in Israel, I can understand why he specifically did not discuss anything about Jesus. In Israel when I grew up there, Jesus was not even mentioned in schools, he was like non existant, forbidden in essence to talk about because if you talk about Jesus that mean your not a real Jew right?
What would the Greeks have done , they accepted the Jewish testement, right?if Philo would have spoke to about Jesus? I wouldn't talk about him either if I was trying to get accepted by a society that accepted Jewish religion and not Jesus as a person.

No one wrote about contact with higher civilization either but for some reason the bible talks about "metal birds with wing that breath fire".


Can you tell me more about Philos "marvels of his exegesis"?

I havent heard of evolution of thought, but thats not really much of a case. Evolution of species and the Darwins evolution are quite the same. The big bang theory is not evolution neither.



Where does it say that?

Indeed that could be a major possibility but the work of Philo was not accepted by the jews but the early christians saw Philo as a christian. Philo was not seeking acceptance but he was trying to open the eyes of the jews. but there are more none jewish historians who never mentioned him, also a execution notice was never found. it was faked by christians because in it jesus was not reffered to as yeshua

according to biblical scholars the gospel of matthew is the oldest. but they also say that the gospel of mark is not the original one.in the same way that the writers of matthew and luke copied and enlarged the gospel of mark, mark copied and enlarged an earlier document which is called the "original mark. what it was, when it was written no one knows. christian scholars admitted that the gospel of john is not an historical document but an interpretation of jesus's life.it gives us an picture of what jesus was supposed to be like and also that it is based on greek philosophy. the gospels of mark matthew and luke give different views on what christ was supposed to be like. the difference between the gospels of matthew mark and luke and the gospel of john is so clear that every critic agrees, that if jesus taught matthew mark and luke, he could not have taught john. why? simply because in the first three gospels we meet an entirely different christ then in the gospel of christ. they all give a different view on jesus, mark says that christ was a man, matthew and luke sya he was a demi god, and john claimed he was god.


the gospels were all written in a different time. how can gospels which were not written until a hundred and fifty years after christ is supposed to have died, and which do not rest on any trustworthy testimony, have the slightest value as evidence that he really lived? these books are usually called a romance.

christ was a jew right? and his disciples to, that means that there language was Aramaic. But the gospels were written in greek. Every christian scholar said that they were originally greek(Erasmus) This proves they were not written by christs disciples, they were jewish fisherman, they cloud not have learned greek. 90 % of the population in hose days were busy surviving nly the rich were leadin a good life. also all the gospels are based on a earleir copy of the original gospels. so we have a copy of a copy of a copy like a rumor always changing.

I agree with everything you said Hotoke this is true. If this is the case then that explains why Philo did not write about this in his writings because the gospols were written 150 after Jesus has "died" OR maybe it was that he did not die and that Philo KNEW THIS TRUTH and could not write that he did died?

Most people want to learn the books of someone after they are at least dead for 100 yrs. There has not been one person recognized yet for their teaching who claimed they spoke to God in their lifetime by the world until now.

What are choices? Are you being serious?
Everyone has a choice... Plain and simple... Its not a hard concept to grasp...



Fun does not exsist because you think it doesn't?
So your saying that adults can't have fun? Its only a childish thing? Well I am an adult, and I have alot of fun... In fact, I try to always have fun... Fun gives me joy... Joy makes my heart merry... And a merry heart is like medicine to the soul...



So if you do not take what he says seriously how do you expect him to take you seriously? How do you expect him to believe anything you say?



I believe God will punish... But he gave us a way out of that through Jesus...



Could that possibly be a prophesy about fighter jets or something? Just a theory...

Really it isn't this complicated...Do you believe in yourself ?
[QUOTE]Well, isn't that great? I don't want to go to heaven if that S.O.B. is gonna be there. So he is miraculously saved? That monster? Monsters go to heaven?[QUOTE]

We all experience situations so that we may remember, who we are . Probally not in heaven yet...still has alot of karma to balance out. We all have a free will, if we didn't we would be slaves.
Peace, love, joy to ALL

It just seems to weird to be true how people believe in such things, Is there any intelligence in there at all???

The problem is, you do not question your beliefs, that is stupidity.

like some1 said, the bible was not written untill 100+ years after jesus died, they were not eye witnesss accounts.

As most of you know, many were not educated back in then so things spread by word of mouth, we all know how twisted and wrong a story can end up when it is passed through potentially hundreds of people.


You are beleiving in a lie, its a shame you are wasting your life... Do something that will actually benifit the world and stop wasting your time praying. go cure cancer or something. God wont do it

Chrsitservant: The diference betwen you and LBD is this: HE/she (i dont know his/her sex) says that she belive in christ. Its a fact to him/her, but she/he knows that maybe isnt a fact to everyone else, and respect that, soo, she/he hasnt the "holier tan you" actitude of your and dont try to put dounw our throaths their ways of thinking. Stellar and other atheisth stick to the hard and present facts of the real life, facts studied and analized for years by people how studied the themes they research, not by reading a simpe book that cant be affirmative proved.

Ken1Burton: Please, stop posting never endind qoutes of your bible to try to justify that you are a new messiah or something. It is getting very boring.

Trying to change the subject again ken? What has prison, a mobster, and Billy Graham got to do with anything? Stick to the thread.It is not hard to kick the habit."This is America after all". Where did you think it was?No.... The bible says that god created everything but does not say hr created "LIFE". YES YOU DID! Is this a threat?Been there, But I found the right way and that was the wrong directions.
I used to be a fundamentalist; But I evolved! Thats a fact Jack
My "Two Tailed Zandore" opinion!

That sounds like a "Jet Plane" in the Bible!......Hmmm I wonder?I have said before, He must be a very very sad person.He is so far out in left field that I would not believe him anyway. He has a religious cult mentality.Very well put Mekorig! Also what you said about LBD is right on, His attitude (LBD) is very ....... proper for a Christian.

Well thanks for the tip...
But sorry, I think I have more faith in my God the the words of "whoa182".

You seem to think you know an awful lot about christians and God... I mean, you call it all a lie, and you say we are wasting our lives... well... Living the life of a servant is not a waste at all...
To serve your fellow man is one of the greatest things you can do with your life, and as a christian this is one of the most importanat things to me...

God can, and will do great things for everyone... We got to just open our eyes to see...


just my humble opinion...

LBD

If it gives a person hope than it is good.
Just my "Two Tailed Zandore" opinion!

Whoa: Calm down, dont talk in absolutes.

People that talk in absolutes are really magnifying themselves above what they really are... Just men...
The only thing humans know absolutely is that we absolutely know nothing absolutely... (LOL thats a lot of absolutes)

just my humble opinion...

LBD

Can you please give me an absolute clarification on that?

Sigh.

To me, we don't go to hell when we die. We are already here. Hell on Earth.

Why isn't there proof of Jesus? Just what is written in a book? After Jesus died his body was put into a cave and a large boulder was placed infront to prevent anyone coming in or coming out. So then why when they opened up the cave a few days later, the body was gone.
Kinda reminds me of the movie forgotten, when bodies just get sucked up into the sky. How is this possible? It is ridiclous, the imaginations that the authors of the Holy Bible had.

So all of us nonbelievers go to hell? Just cause we didn't believe in some God? And then all of the criminals of our lifetimes, (who break the 10 commandments) who "find" God on death row, magically are forgiven? How can I bring myself to believe in something that is so coldhearted?

Here Here
I agreed with you before and I still do!
My "Two Tailed Zandore" opinion!
PS ken called me that so I have been calling myself that.

I caught that in one of his posts. "Two tailed" Glad that you are taking it with fun! I would be pretty ticked at that h.r.p.o.s. ken. He drives me mad! If there is gonna be alot of people like him in heaven, I don't wanna go. I would rather skip along the stars in the universe than have to spend eternaty listening to his obnoxtious rambling. I can handle LBD thou.

I found an awesome site thanks to Burnside for all of us, atheists and agnostics out there. I think it is ValleySkeptic.com

I personally found the Jeeezzzus loves all the little children.

.... sorry forgot to finish my sentence.. (ref. Jeezzus) was very sad but true.

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Oh zandore... I am afraid that will have to do...




Well where to start? Hmm...

Well first off, I would agree that yes life on Earth at times can really suck... But I never try to complain cause I know I have it a lot better then some people... I am not starving, or homeless... So every time some complaining thought creeps its way into my mind, I just remember what I have to be thankful for, and remind myself I could have it a lot worse...

Next, the tomb of Jesus was not opened by any man... The stone was moved away when Jesus was resurrected.
How is it possible you ask? Well I can't answer that... But I can ask, how is anything possible?

And lastly... No you unbelievers do not go to hell because you don't believe in God, people who go to hell go there because of their sin. No deed a man can do can earn him a place in heaven. Nothing you could ever do is great enough for that honor. We as humans are covered in sin, and we can't wash that away ourselves. Thats why Jesus died... He bore the sins of all man kind for all time... Any and every sin was layed on him... He did this for two reasons..
1, to cleanse our souls and give us forgiveness...
2, to cleanse our hearts so we can forgive our selves for the things we have done...
Like I said before, nothing any man could ever do would earn himself a place in heaven... But Jesus made it so we didn't have to be perfect... He made it so any of us, no matter how many mistakes we make, or how imperfect we are we can all enter heaven.

but hey, thats just my humble opinion...

LBD
~peace

LBD: I know that u didn't say that the nonbelievers go to hell. I forget who it was.. few pages back though. It was probably Ken or CS. or one of those other holy rollers that think that they are better than anyother human on this planet cause of their "christianity." (I don't shun you LBD for your beliefs becasue you don't force the belief onto others. and your words are very sincere regardless if I (or anyone else) believes in them or not.) And you don't get upset with the athiests on here and try to bring them into christianity or start wars with words like two of the others on here. (we all know who they are)
And that is my humble opinion. lol. (I love that quote of yours!)

Thanks Free... It really touches my heart when I hear things like that...
Thank you to everyone on this forum that has accepted me for who I am, that is always what I try to do...

just my humble opinion... (that really is a great little quote.. LOL I hope more people will use it in the future..)

LBD

Spohika.

Like you said the CREATION of life, And Evolution as a theory as how life started is not a CREATION. In order to have a Creation, You need a CREATOR.

Evolution having started life is a chance happening which is impossible. God building an evolving process into His Created life is not only possible, It is what He did.

“Metal birds with wing that breath fire”, In the BIBLE? Give the book, Chapter and verse.

The Cute part is reading the Gospel according to God, He forewrote the Gospel. It is called the Old Testament, Or the Jewish Holy bible. It was written in Hebrew. Telling what God would do. And what He did do. And who He would use.

So even if you tossed the entire New Testament away, We still have God inspiring the Prophets to tell us how He would send Jesus, and by His sacrifice save mankind. The Disciples and Paul blinded from seeing many things like sin ending as accountable unto man, would not have gotten the whole story right anyway. But those little Jots and Tittles tell a lot more then we need to have anything added to, God said what He would do, God sent Jesus to do it, and He did it, to the Jot and tittle “It is Finished”


Lightbeyondthedark.

The thing I had mentioned was kind of like silly to Christians but believable unto those who do not believe in God. It was to send out billions of tiny spaceships with bacteria in them, into space, if they landed where it was habitable, then they could EVOLVE into a Human race, and I said we should put a Bible in the Spacecrafts so they do not all end up Atheists.

Now, Zandore with two tails thought there should not be a Bible in there with them so they have a Choice. But without a Bible, Where would a Choice be?, You got the picture yet? We are not talking of Human life on earth, But Humans which would evolve from the Bacteria (cute trick).

You want to take Zandore serious? Go for it. When I see him serious, I will act accordantly.

“Could that possibly be a prophecy about fighter jets or something?” Cute Light, How about getting it REALLY shown in the Bible before we try to see what it means, Or can you give us the book, the Chapter and the verse of metal Birds with wing that breaths fire?

All prophecies are fulfilled the day of the cross, and there were no jet fighters there then. There were a few disciples fleeing like bats out of ???? but they were not metal.


Whoa, If we are wasting our time praying, Are you not wasting your time telling us not to? Seeing you know there is no God? And remember this, Cure Cancer, Cure every illness, But when You die, How will you cure the attitude adjustment that is coming upon you as you see those broken down gate in Heaven? And those who died before you.

Cure the Attitude first. So that cancer will not be so scarry.

The Gospel according to Matthew did not have to be hand written by Matthew, Just that he was the one who was telling of it. Everyone was not illiterate. Most of Paul’s letters were not written by the hand of Paul.


Mekiorig.

I see many posts on this forum I jump over, I assume your mouse can travel faster then the speed of page down? If you do not like what I write, Then maybe I was not intending it for you as I typed it. And if things in the Bible bother you, Maybe you ought to keep away from threads which have the word GOD in the Title. OR? Maybe God dragged you here. He is tricky like that.

PS. After the Boring, I put in a few seeds and go BORE another whole. It is called Planting. Works miracles. And we do not need a NEW Messiah, Jesus does just fine.


Zandore, You make a remark about Lucifer. In this THREAD. Try reading about Him and maybe the Prison will make sense. Try hell as a prison. Try Lucifer going into hell, and the questions asked. You were trying also to tell me about the Bible, Try looking in a little deeper.

(ISAIAH 14:9) Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at
thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief
ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the
kings of the nations. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 14:10) All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou
also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? (KJV)

Now who is the ones in Hell moved to MEET? Who would they ask “Art Thou become like unto us.” They are looking at Jesus, He is the one who REVIVES THEM.

(HOSEA 6:2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (KJV)

But this is the Second day, so they are asking why He has not set His prisoners free, they do not know they have to wait till the third day.

You better hope if you kick the Habit, that the Nun in it turns the other cheek instead of decks you.

Someone please explain that one to Zandore, I am sure it went over his head.


Zandore, the Choices were being spoken of is life on other planets after those bacteria’s evolve into Humans, REMEMBER what the subject was, Sending Bibles with the Bacteria so when they evolved on other planets the Humans would not be ATHEIST?

Lightbeyondthedark wanted me to take you serious, But don’t worry, I did not take light’s suggestion serious.

You are right, I am a very SAD Person, I follow the man of Sorrows, We are sad a lot, but we get the job done.

(MATTHEW 5:3) Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the
kingdom of heaven. (KJV)

There is a beautiful thing about being out in Left field, God is omni-present.


Freespyryt:

Hell on earth? Think that one out, How about those who molest children, again and again, and never get caught on earth, You are saying that this is their hell also?

I said “If Christian Sound Doctrine was right (and it is not)” then Non-believers would go into hell and burn for Eternity.” Just to prompt those who think they believe in that sound doctrine to look at what it is really saying, and ask themselves if that is really how they see a Loving God?

Ken

Hmm...
Ken Ken Ken...

I seriously don't see how you expect to get through to anyone...

You eyes, mind, and heart are closed... How can anything get out or in? That is the sad thing Ken...

Once again, I ask you to come back down to the level of man, the level you should be at... You are no better and no worse then anyone else... Why is it you try to elevate yourself above us all, christian or not... Do you expect nobody to pay attention to you or to take you seriously? That is what you must want, because the way you act you don't seem like you want to be taken seriously... hmm... why take the time to post if you don't want to be taken seriously?


just my humble opinion...

LBD

Ken,

So you believe that everyone goes to heaven? No matter what? Hmm...
I would love it if people didn't go to hell... And yes I know my God is loving, he is love infact, but I also trust his word... He said there is a hell, and I'm going to trust that...
That is the whole reason Jesus cam and died for us was to free us from our sin and fear...

just my humble opinion...

LBD