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whoa182
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40nrockinon
Honestly, no. no.gif

We are not meant to. In my book, we have a "shelf life" like anything else on this planet. This prevents us from truely over-popluating the world.

Also unless it happens for everyone, believe me you'd become very lonely. I watched my grandparents outlive everyone but their own children & it was sad. Cause sure you have people to talk to, but no one with your "frame of reference" in life. sad.gif They struggled with this for several years before finally passing on.

There would have to be TREMENDOUS strides made in preventing aging. Cause it's not the years that wear you out...it's the mileage!!! You could live a hard life in a short amount of time & feel old than someone in their 80s or 90s. Trust me, I have RA & there are days that I feel like I'm much older than my 41 years!!! crying.gif

Not only that, but I believe that quality is far better than quantity. I'd rather live a short, happy life then one that was drawn out like a bad freakin' movie!!! blink.gif

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whoa182
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We are not meant to. In my book, we have a "shelf life" like anything else on this planet. This prevents us from truely over-popluating the world.


I don't think it's to actually prevent over population, it tends to be that after reproducing your genes don't need you anymore. At the moment we are seeing people living longer and longer, the U.S has a rapid growth in centerians!... The problem is, if people are still frail and can't do much in old age then we are going to have serious social security problems.

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Also unless it happens for everyone, believe me you'd become very lonely. I watched my grandparents outlive everyone but their own children & it was sad. Cause sure you have people to talk to, but no one with your "frame of reference" in life. sad.gif They struggled with this for several years before finally passing on.


Well the idea would be that everyone would get access to this therapy, at first millionairs would problably test it and pay huge amounts, but the demand for it would be so great that they would improve the therapy and make it less expensive.

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There would have to be TREMENDOUS strides made in preventing aging. Cause it's not the years that wear you out...it's the mileage!!! You could live a hard life in a short amount of time & feel old than someone in their 80s or 90s. Trust me, I have RA & there are days that I feel like I'm much older than my 41 years!!! crying.gif


We have a good idea of what ageing actually is, you can view them here: http://www.gen.cam.ac.uk/sens/just7.htm

or watch aubrey at a conferene discussing this: http://www.gen.cam.ac.uk/sens/AdGppts.htm

You are right, not everyone ages at the same rate and it would be sad to see family die, but that doesn't have to be the case if we all had the option of living on if we wanted to, this wouldnt be some sort of trap, you can easily end life if you wanted...

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Not only that, but I believe that quality is far better than quantity. I'd rather live a short, happy life then one that was drawn out like a bad freakin' movie!!! blink.gif


Isn't there things you are looking forward to in the future that would make you stick around, does travelling to other planets interest you? technology? Life extension technologies promise healthy years with quality and quantity, you couldnt extend frail life.

why would you want to be dead forever? or do you believe in heaven and rest of it?
whoa182
I'll just keep this topic to this thread, rather than creating new ones all the time.

Geneticists claim ageing breakthrough but immortality will have to wait

The geneticists behind the study say the increase in lifespan is so striking, they may have tapped into one of the most fundamental mechanisms that controls the rate at which living creatures age.

The tests were carried out in single-celled organisms, forcing them into what the researchers refer to as an "extreme survival mode". Instead of growing quickly and showing signs of ageing, the organisms became resilient to damage and were better able to repair the genetic defects that build up with age, often leading to cancer in later life.

When you do this genetic manipulation, you can get some of the longest lifespans ever described," said Valter Longo, a biomedical gerontologist at the University of Southern California. "We have good reason to believe this genetic effect is conserved in other organisms. We're working with mice and human cells now and are already starting to see the same response.

large body of research has already shown that severely restricting diet can boost the lifespan of flies, worms and mice by around 40%. Scientists believe that drastically cutting calories triggers a switch in an organism's behaviour, from growing and being able to reproduce, to a state of stasis in which growth and ageing are put on hold at the expense of reproductive capability, until more food is available. Scientists are now trying to mimic the effect by tinkering with genes in the hope of developing anti-ageing treatments that work without having to cut food intake.

"We're not too far from being able to exploit this understanding to at least start thinking about drugs that can put humans in an anti-ageing mode. That doesn't mean we'll necessarily live six times longer, but it means we could slow down the DNA damage we accumulate as we age, and that could protect us from cancer," said Dr Longo.

"When you start increasing lifespan by five or six times, it means you're really playing with the life and death programmes of organisms. We're telling the organisms to go into a completely different mode of slow ageing," said Dr Longo. "What they're doing is saying 'I cannot afford to age. I still have to generate offspring, but I don't have enough food to do it now.' "

more here http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/new...1645420,00.html
Lord Umbarger
Yeah, I'd like to live forever. Maybe just me and a few good friends to share the experience with. (If I get the elixure, I'll share with the UM crowd but, only if you promise to play nice for a change). Just imagine if you'd lived during the Roman times. You could've seen the whole world as it was at the time. Just think of the things that you could learn if you lived forever. Just think what you could tell the future about the past. I would be exciting to me.
SureFire
I for one would love to live forever, thousands of years, never growing old and too never stop learning. I believe that if we were able to expand our lived just by 50 years, hell even by 20 years, imagine what we could accomplish! I know some of you said yes, no and maybe but I don't understand fully why you would even need a maybe, I don't know if religion has a role in any of your answers, but if we were to live longer/forever we would be able to "adapt/evolve" ourselved to fit whatever came our way.

Just think about it, if we were to live longer/forever, yes the earth would most definatly become over crowded, but not before we would fill up the countries that have a low population density at the moment. Secondly, once the earth was full we would "not saying it would be easy but" we could move to Mars "that is if you have been keeping up with that post or not" and start there.

We have discovered a way to lengthen our lives, its just a matter of time before we discover how to completly alter our bodies, to breath under water, "regrow organs" since that is what this is essentially about, and even transplant our thoughts from ourselves to a clone of ourselves from our youth. It's just mind blowing. w00t.gif

I understand that yes their will be new diseases, more wars, and since we are always creating and looking for more ways to destroy life I figure it's about time to finally do something to preserve/lengthen it. geek.gif

I just hope that once we do manage to isolate the gene(s)/technology to perform this it doesnt fall into some terrorists hands devil.gif and use it for all the wrong reasons.

I believe that if we were to prolong life "as I said before" we could move out and beyond our own imaginations and truly discover what "life" is alien.gif .

All in all I believe a longer, better, more informed life would be absolutly wonderful. thumbsup.gif
jhendrix86
no..it'd get old after awhile.
Radioactive Man
No, I wouldn't want to live forever, unless my friends and family could too!
BERSERK
I'ld live forever if i kept my youth also. I would love to see how it all ends, and everything in between.
nondreamer01
living a longer life can have terrible consequences, because the population is growing, not decreasing, therefore, there would be overcrowding, which would lead to more pollution to supply the people with shelter and transportation and also, resources will get devoured faster than ever; scientists need to be careful or else, we are going to become Star TRek, looking for a new planet to live on, because all our resources will be used up and cause starvation and many deaths. I do agree it would be nice to live longer ( I would love to), but the fact remains- if you change nature, consequences will be issued. crying.gif
Stormi
I'd like to live forever, but have my body continue aging really slow. I can't really say if I'd like to live longer, for I don't know when my demise is going to happen. If I were to die right this second, yea...I's like to live longer. If I'm old and decrepped, then kill me. I don't really see what all the hype of having to live so long and what not is about. Personally, I'd rather have a short happy life than a long dull waste of one (not saying the old are all a waste).
whoa182
Double post here but its neccesery:

Jay Olshansky a demographer for the Government says that trends show the world population to be around 10 BILLION by 2100. If we were to achieve immortality TODAY the population would only be 3 billion more at 13 billion instead of 10 billion.

Just because you extend life doesnt mean you are immortal, you could still die from accidents, infectious diseases, murders, asteroids, bombs etc etc...

People would on average die at around 600years old if they had greatly extended lives. People would die off in accidents rather than ageing./

joc
I have a theory about living longer...I have attained it by talking to a lot of old people.

The theory is thus: Most people don't want to stop living no matter how old they are. So...

When your heart wears out...we just make you a new one...from your own flesh...identicle to the heart you had when you were 18 years old...and ditto with every other organ.

Interesting stuff. I have just 'thought' about the possibilities more than I have studied them.
Thanks Whoa for enlightening some of us who were asleep to the upcoming Tidal Wave of nano-technology.

I can just hear it now: Wow, grandma, you really had a computer? I didn't know you were that old!
whoa182
Aubrey De Grey, the scientist that is leading the Mprize to cure ageing will be on CBS 60 minutes on the 1st of January 7pm EST. You can view a 30 second clip of it here: 30 second clip

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For anyone that is interested in the subject of Life extension try and watch it!. I can't because I don't think I can get CBS in the UK sad.gif

whoa182
The immortality institute www.imminst.org have put the some of the DVD about life extension on google video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6581761732541483047

If you are interested in the topic of life extension check it out! it takes a minute to buffer and then plays. Very bandwidth intensive.
Endymion
"Forever Young I want to be Forever Young......"

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If its possible to be immortal I will make everything to get that possibility.
IgnoranceIsntBliss
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I dont know how many research or keep up with emerging technologies on this forums. I also do not know how many are aware that we are at the verge of a Biotechnology revoloution and what this could mean.

We do have the ability to Extend life of simple tissues, cells etc... But we also have the ability to block genes in Mice to enable them to have a Life Span of around the equiv to 200 Human Years. Scientists think within the next 5-10 years Aging in Mice.

So slowing down Aging in less Complicated animals is poosible and not science fiction. Ultimatly I believe and so many scientists in fields such as biotech and nanotech believe that slowing down or stopping aging is inevitble in humans.

Now to make some things clear. Im being totally serious on this topic, its not such a far fetched idea anymore. We have the enabling technologies and they are moving forward quite well.

Im not saying that you will live on longer and you're family dies around you, that will not be the case, Since they will have access to these enhancments just as much as you, Of course at first they will be for the more wealthy and new technologies always are. But eventually they will come down in price as demand grows.

Not only might we be able to make us live longer, we may be able to geneticly engineer ourselfs in many ways. whether it be intelligence, muscle strength, better eyes, better hearing... Possibilities could be endless...

But while we are in this technology revoloution, Nanotech will be picking up and maturing, Enabling us to have far more capabilities.

the possibility of Nano-red blook cells. Using 10% of these mixed with normal red blood cells will enable you to hold you're breath for upto 4-5 hours. You could run a few hundred meters without breathing.

Also more far off in the future, millions of nanobots that go around the blood stream and fight off diseases, viruses and fix genetic faults. This is still the most extreme capability. But ermeging technologies are showing that it may indeed be possible.

Whether most like it or not. By the end of the 21st century we will have changed drasticly. Far more than any of century. Post-humans could be common, possibly an even more divide between wealthy and poor countries. But by then other technologies could help thos countries far more than today.

We KNOW its possible to engineer ourselves. Yes it is not a full understood yet. but we are rapidly advances. Every 10 years there is a paradigm shift, Technology advancements Double every 10 years. So all the advances took 10 years will take 5 years then 2.5 years ...

the model ray kurzweil has put forward, at todays rate of progress we will see 100 years of technological progress in within 25 years. and at todays rate of progress we will see 25.000 years worth of technological advancement in the 21st century.

these are TRUE trends of technology and this is what they show. SO they are not up in the air predictions, they are predictions with plenty of research behind them

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4003063.stm
Check out that article on human life span may reach 1000 years and beyond. And the first human to reach 1000 could be 60 already.

Other models have showed that the human life span s increasing 3 months every year. By 2010 these are expected to reach. 1.5 years every year. So basicly the human life span may increase faster than you can age.

you think you are going to retire around the age of 60?

welll most of you. But Im confident and so are many far more educated people that human life span will increase through the technologies we are advancing in today.

If 1 were to get an enhancment, showed it off... Their friends like it, They get it done and trend will continue. Especially if it becomes cheaper


Who are we to take God's work into our own MANMADE hands? Even if the scientists are absolutely correct in their evolution theory (it is a GOOD theory, but its still just another theory) that doesnt disprove God or nature being God's nature. If we change "humanity" how is that Gods work, God's nature?

What about the people who wont be able to afford all of the transhumanist upgrades, or the traditionals/religious who would refuse them? Do they deserve to get squashed in the "evolutionry chain" for remaining obsolete humans as compared to "superhuman" trans/post-humanists with far superior mental/physical abilities? All HUMAN dignity will be lost to the trans and post-humans, how couldnt it be? Why arent yu good enuogh to live the life as the person you were meant to be, for as long as you were meant to be?
Stellar
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Who are we to take God's work into our own MANMADE hands?


Maybe we arent god's work? Or maybe he gave us hands for this exact reason?

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Even if the scientists are absolutely correct in their evolution theory (it is a GOOD theory, but its still just another theory) that doesnt disprove God or nature being God's nature.


Yup. Its just another theory, just like gravity.


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Why arent yu good enuogh to live the life as the person you were meant to be, for as long as you were meant to be?


Maybe we were meant to live life longer/forever?
whoa182
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Who are we to take God's work into our own MANMADE hands?


Who are you to say that there is a god? It's a pointless argument so im not going to bother getting into it.
Raines
Oh, but don't you know? We all are already going to live forever! I don't need faulty human technology to help me accomplish immortality; it's already happening, in fact, it's inevitable.
Thanks though! I appreciate the idea of it, but we already ARE living forever, so the research and technology for this idea is pretty much worthless. ^.^
Stellar
huh? I still see people getting old and dying...
Unlimited
everybody wants to go to heaven ..but no one wants to die... blink.gif
newbloodmoon
I picked other, just because I didnt want to pick the no it's playing god.
I wouldn't want to live for a really long time, even if I was immortal or remained youthfull.
Perhaps cause unless my friends or loved ones where on the same aging proccess then you would go through alot of them and no one likes to see friends and family pass on. Unless they were suffering from some horrible disease and people are glad they passed so they where no longer in pain.

(off topic edit, throws confetti since this was my 100th post.)
PODNickerz
I would like to live longer, and then i will decide if i want to live forever
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