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whoa182
Im wondering how many people here will choose to have biochips IMPLANTED when they become more commericial in the next 2- 5 years.

Please Read this before you answer the POLL question


This article deals with the biochips used in the latest technology sector. Implanted biochips could be the tool of Big Brother, but they are more likely to become the treatment of choice for the physician of the 21st century.

A) S4MS Biochip:
The S4MS chip is for sensing oxygen or glucose. Light generated by the light-emitting diode (LED) causes surrounding molecules to fluoresce. The light that emerges has a new wavelength, and only this light passes through the filter to be detected by the photodiode. The oxygen or glucose decreases the fluorescence of the molecules in the top reservoir.

cool.gif DNA Biochip:

Tuan Vo-Dinh’s ‘DNA biochip could revolutionize the way the medical profession performs tests on blood. The chip, for which a patent has been filed, will allow for instant test results for the AIDS virus, cancer, tuberculosis and other diseases. Vo Dinh, a member of ORNL’s Life Sciences Division, expects the chip to also have environmental applications.

DNA Chips: (Quick Solution over disease)

Within a few years, DNA micro arrays could help diagnose and treat this killer, perhaps even before tumors form.

In preparation for minor surgery, John Leventhal needed a routine chest X-ray. When the New Haven, CT, doctor joined the radiologist who was examining the film, he was shocked by what he saw: an opaque blotch deep in his lung. "As a physician," says

Leventhal, "you’re taught in medical school that when you see a mass like that, it means lung cancer." Leventhal’s medical training also taught him that to confirm the diagnosis, his doctors would need to crack open his rib cage to get a piece of the suspect tissue that would be closely examined by a pathologist-an extremely painful and hazardous operation. The weekend before that surgery, Leventhal went off on a family ski vacation. He recalls thinking, "This is the last time I will go skiing for a long, long time."

That was five years ago. Today the medical profession’s way of dealing with cancer could be about to change. Around the same time that Leventhal underwent surgery, researchers at Stanford University and Santa Clara, CA-based startup Affymetrix were beginning to build the first "DNA micro arrays." More commonly known as DNA chips, these are DNA-covered silicon, glass or plastic wafers capable of analyzing thousands of genes at a time to, for example, identify the ones that are active in a sample of cells. Now these micro arrays appear poised to join the war on cancer. DNA chips, predicts National Cancer Institute director Richard Klausner, are "going to have a huge effect" on the diagnosis and treatment of the disease.

One reason for the excitement is that DNA chips offer a whole new and potentially much earlier, easier and more precise-way of detecting cancerous cells.

Most forms of cancers go unnoticed until lumps, coughs or pains develop, at which point it is often too late. And even then, once a pathologist gets a biopsy from a tumor, distinguishing one form of cancer from another can be difficult or even impossible with existing techniques, which involve noting distortions in the cells’ architecture under a microscope. Better diagnostic information could be used to make better treatment decisions, perhaps making the difference between life and death.

Within the next two years, pathologists expect to begin using DNA-chip-based tools to spot genetic differences among cells; these telltale differences could be used to help detect cancerous cells long before symptoms develop and to distinguish one type of cancer from another. In short, the chips will provide a genetic profile of a cancerous cell that can be read like a criminal’s rap sheet. The physician will know where the cancerous cell originated, how far it has progressed, and which therapies will work best to halt its further growth and spread.

A DNA-chip-based device might be able to read a sputum sample right in the doctor’s office, checking for the genetic changes in the lung cells that are naturally sloughed off into the viscous fluid. If the news is bad, the patient might well have a host of new treatment options. That’s because DNA chips are also speeding the discovery of new and better cancer drugs. "We’re on the threshold of a new era," says Klausner. "Technologies like DNA chips will tell us not only that something may be amiss, but what it is and what we can do about it."

Today, dozens of companies provide DNA-chip products and services. With the development of new ways to fabricate the chips, researchers now have the option of buying ready-made chips or building their own customized chips right in the lab.

C) RNA Chips:

New diagnostic technique promises to put a powerful lab on a dime-sized slice of silicon.
In 1995, Breaker and his team began to resurrect this extinct "RNA world" in a test tube and successfully engineered RNA-based molecular switches in the effort. (A molecular switch is a molecule that’s turned on or off by another molecule or compound.)

Array for RNA:

With dozens of these switches on hand, Breaker thought, why not arrange them on a surface and create an array of biosensors that use RNA to measure or detect compounds? By engineering the RNA switches to detect many different kinds of compounds, Breaker knew that the potential of his array could surpass that of a DNA chip, which identifies specific DNA or RNA sequences and nothing else.

To create the prototype, Breaker placed the RNA switches on a gold-coated silicon surface and arranged them in clusters. Each switch was designed to bind only to a specific molecule-its "target"-and then to release a signal that identifies the target molecule. (In the prototype, the switches released a radioactive signal.)

As reported in April’s Nature Biotechnology, Breaker and his team tested the array of RNA switches on a variety of complex mixtures. In one experiment they successfully identified different strains of E-coli found in bacterial cultures.

The implications are enticing. The array’s ability to simultaneously identify a potentially large number of compounds, combined with the precise exclusivity of each switch, adds up to a recipe for a powerful and wide-ranging laboratory on a dime-sized slice of silicon.

In the next part of this article we will be looking at some other biochips.

Source: Biochips

There is a lot more other ideas for Biochips and are all over the net, you just gotta do a search

These CHIPS will eventually help you and you're family catch disease extremely early so it doesnt become a problem because it wont be caught too late
whoa182
http://www.holyobserver.com/detail.php?isu...rt=techno-tithe

Techno-Tithe: Church Implants Microchips in Members' Right Hands

LoL
joc
That's a crock. We are advanced technologically...but not that far yet...not yet.


at least I don't think so....... huh.gif

The tithe thingy that is..............
whoa182
Yes we are advanced that far. Its not science fiction anymore haha
whoa182
OoOO only I have said yes so far... A more official poll was done a few year back, in 2000 I believe. 47% people said they would have the implant.

Im wondering about you're thoughts on it, Im assuming the people that have said no to this are scared of privacy issues and hacking?
WiseguY
No thanks
whoa182
Well its tough, you are going to have them grin2.gif... eventually
stillcrazy
George Orwell had no idea of what was coming.


They will have to put me in retraints and force the chip into me be fore I allow it to happen.


In regards to the church story. And I apologize in advance but I find this too bizzare. In particular the quotes.

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According to last year's church theme - "Be ID'd With CBCC in '03"
Nothing about God or Jesus.

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According to Caldwell, CBCC's corps of greeters have arrived at a simple formula for deducting funds from each worshipper. "Ten percent off the top for tithe, obviously. When it comes to offering, we just let the Spirit lead. If that doesn't work, we try to see what kind of car they drive."

What god do they bow down to?

My personal favorite:
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For his part, Lead Deacon Ralph Phillips is just happy to be getting home earlier on Sundays. "By not taking an offering, we're saving 20 minutes per service. Also, I don't have to count money afterwards. That's another half hour. Now I'm home for the 1 o'clock game. How 'bout them Cowboys!"

Serving god on his terms, not the lords.

If ya all want the techies controlling everything have at it. For me, the ol computer is as far as I'm going with the hi-tech stuff.
joc
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If ya all want the techies controlling everything have at it. For me, the ol computer is as far as I'm going with the hi-tech stuff.


You say that Now! yes.gif In the next 20 years will come a time when you won't have a choice. It will be as necessary to be chipped as it is to have a cell phone.
The scenario is this: You go to Wal-Mart or the local grocery store. You bag your items as you go and then you just walk on out to your car and go home. Every item will be automatically scanned as you walk out as well as your implanted chip and automatically deducted from your checking account.

Bank transactions and any other transaction requiring cash or positive ID will be made with a Retna Scan device. When you go to the bank to make a withdrawal in cash, you will simply put your hand on the scan device and look into the Retina scanner. It will be necessary to have the Retina scanner because of the new wave of crime...stealing implants in order to steal from someones bank account. Many people will loose their hands to malicious gangsters. This well in the end lead to a more sophisticated Topical Scanner which will read the Retina and the implanted chip in your forehead at the same time.

Goodbye BigBrother....Hello AntiChrist. yes.gif

An electronics genius who is a multi millionaire due to his electonic genius told me about the Wal-Mart scenario...I just thought up the rest.....but plausible no?
DaZe
No thank you. I don't like security cameras and carrying around cards n scanning n such, I'm sure as hell not putting chips in me. Have at it, people, but count me out.
seeking
i voted yes, however i would wait a few years to see the results of others first, also prices will go down, who wouldnt want to be diagnosed at the utmost earliest stages of a problem?

it looks like me and whoa are the only ones though
Stellar
Once its passed the prototype stage and is worth the $ and I have the $ to spend, I guess so.
whoa182
QUOTE(DaZe @ Jan 13 2005, 11:47 PM)
No thank you. I don't like security cameras and carrying around cards n scanning n such, I'm sure as hell not putting chips in me. Have at it, people, but count me out.
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You will have chips in all you're clothes anyway.
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Anyway, people who do get these chips will not have to wait in queues like now, People who have chips just grab you're stuff and walk out the store. Done thumbsup.gif



Think about this, If these chips really did work, all you're family and all you're friends would have a MUCH less chance of dying.

Its going to happen and Sorry Im being so ignorant with this, but its just too good to be true lol.

DETECTING CANCER right at the start, Not when it becomes a problem, At this stage it will probably take a simple visit to the hospital to get rid of the cancer cells possibly years or months before it even would of affected you.

Since cancer is 1 of the biggest killers, These chips will be extremely popular if that is possible, Which it will be.


I can just imagin the commercial (advertisment) already wink2.gif lol

stillcrazy
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You say that Now!  In the next 20 years will come a time when you won't have a choice. It will be as necessary to be chipped as it is to have a cell phone.


I don't have a cell phone. Believe it or not. Never saw a need for one. And if I make it another 20 years, NOW that will be a miracle of science.

As for the medical aspect. I could see a good use of early warning, but the same can be done now if cost were lower to the average citizen. (Like that will ever happen)

Cash in hand, literally. I would rather pay for stuff with paper money than a chip implanted in my skin. The idea that I would have to protect my palms anytime I went into a strange room just so I didn't get ripped off by a hacker seems a little more than my feeble brain can handle.

Not waiting in airport lines. I don't fly so no help there.

Why is it we have all this stuff to make our lives easier, but never have enough time to enjoy our lives?
whoa182
tell me.

Was the first early computers and 500kb hard drive available to the public after they come out?

It cost a few million dollars at first...

now a 400gb hard drive costs around $200

these will be available for everyone to use and cheap


Dr. Nanotech vs. Cancer

Technology Review, Febuary 2005


Nanosensors being developed by California Institute of Technology researchers will simultaneously look for thousands of different biomolecules and could be the basis for more accurate, cheaper, and more convenient cancer tests.

To turn a nanowire into a transistor, the researchers bring each of its ends into contact with metal wires so that a current can be passed through it. They then position an electrode close to the nanowire. Charging this electrode alters the conductivity of the nanowire, turning it "on" and "off."

They then transform the nanowire transistors into tiny biosensors that can act as sensors for particular proteins. The researchers coat the surface of the wire with antibodies that will stick to the target protein but not to other molecules. When proteins bind to the antibodies, they interact with the electrons traveling in the nanowire's surface layer, altering its conductivity

http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/0...eature_nano.asp

theres a flash animation on the 3rd page showing you how it works
stillcrazy
My first home computer was an apple, in 1986 cost almost three thousand dollars.
Second computer was a Tandy Dos 1.5 5.25 floppy 56k memory (all that I would ever need according to the salesman.) Cost 1300.

The computer that I connect to UM, 2 gigs memory, DVD player burner/ CD rw
two 200 gig hard drives. and this is one of seven I own and use daily. 800 bucks.
(not including monitors)

Aint it wonderful. Still don't see a need for a cell phone or implant chips.
whoa182
If you dont see the need in detecting cancer early so you can get it cured and the same with you're family and friends...

well I dunno what to say tbh
eckogangsta
im guessing none of you have heard of mark of the beast?
i urge you not to get a chip...
QueenoftheNight
agree with ecko... I think its a great idea, but to be on the good side with God, I'll pass on it
eckogangsta
thanks- once again PLEASE do not take the mark of the beast as it will come in the form of a microchip on the righthand or forehead, and will eventually become mandatory.
I tell you now that they will have to kill me before they insert the mark of the beast on me. I will never go against God.
Stellar
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im guessing none of you have heard of mark of the beast?


We have. Not all of us believe in the bible though.

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i urge you not to get a chip...


Too bad. I'll take it if I want it.

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thanks- once again PLEASE do not take the mark of the beast as it will come in the form of a microchip on the righthand or forehead, and will eventually become mandatory.


So? Do you have any idea how many things were called the "mark of the beast"? And so what if it'll eventually become mandatory? I dont think it'll become mandatory by the gov neither... it'll be mandatory like a phone is.

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I tell you now that they will have to kill me before they insert the mark of the beast on me. I will never go against God.


I dont believe in god, so I dont really care. I think that these chips are going to greatly improve our lives and health.
eckogangsta
umm okay? dont heed god's warning, your problem. And "too bad ill get one if i want" comment- do i actually care what your decisions are? no. you'll be the one who has the problem in the long run. But since you dont care what I say and I dont care what you say lets end this thumbsup.gif
Stellar
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dont heed god's warning, your problem.


I dont see god warning me at all.

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do i actually care what your decisions are? no.


Then why did you, twice, urge us not to get it?


eckogangsta
i tried, didnt work, o well too bad for you- am i going to waste time trying to convince you- deffinetly not. not worth it. now i take my leave from this thread as i do not feel like talking about something with such great evil as a posotive as some people are making it out to be. no.gif
Stellar
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now i take my leave from this thread as i do not feel like talking about something with such great evil as a posotive as some people are making it out to be


Good, because I dont feel like talking about something with such good which people make out to be so evil.
whoa182
WOW Religious beliefs rules and beliefs can be evil.

mark of the beast ? lol so did the bible specificly say

" do not have Micro-chips because its the mark of the beast "

ecko you cannot stop it, its inevitible. Dont resist wink2.gif
girty1600
I won't have one without being forced but my cats have them. grin2.gif
whoa182
When all stories come on the news of the good things they are doing and helping people discover and cure diseases before they are a problem.

you will re-think you're stance on this

Imagin the commercial " Have a Biochip today! and Never be worried about cancer and illness again "

Theres enough people on this planet to jump at that oppurtunity. then you will follow it. You will see its perfectly safe.

Also you're chances of dying of bio-terror attack will be far more greater than those that are chipped. People who are chipped will get an extremely early warning, mabey hours or days before the bio-agent takes effect.

They have the potential to save MILLIONS of people. And you say its the mark of the beast.

I would say Religion is the beast
Steeler Mania
This is definately the biblical "mark of the beast" and I will not take it! no.gif
whoa182
devil.gif you people are crazy

Computer chips are going to be in EVERYTHING.

So you are calling a computer chip a mark of the beast? they have existed for years. Your're computer wouldnt worok without a chip... The world couldnt survive without computer chips anymore lol

weird rolleyes.gif
Stellar
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This is definately the biblical "mark of the beast" and I will not take it!


No, its not "definately the biblical 'mark of the beast'", you interpret it to be the mark of the beast.

People said the same about SIN #s.

Steeler Mania
QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 16 2005, 11:47 AM)
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This is definately the biblical "mark of the beast" and I will not take it!


No, its not "definately the biblical 'mark of the beast'", you interpret it to be the mark of the beast.

People said the same about SIN #s.
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Uh, I believe it is....the mark....the mark was to be on the hand, or forehead. Funny, that is where the chip is to go. ohmy.gif It will do all your banking and have YOUR personal info on it....just like it said in the Bible. yes.gif

That is why I REFUSE TO HAVE IT....
Stellar
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Uh, I believe it is....the mark....the mark was to be on the hand, or forehead. Funny, that is where the chip is to go.


So? Its not going in the forehead, its going in the arm (I think somewhere around the wrist even, not hand, IIRC), because its the most logical place.

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It will do all your banking and have YOUR personal info on it....just like it said in the Bible.


Not the current ones and the ones in the near future. All those do is send a signal a short range, which can be picked up with equipment at the hospital, and then your medical information can be called up. Theres no information on the chip, at all.

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That is why I REFUSE TO HAVE IT....


Well, provided you live long enough, you'll probably be obligated to have it, or live on the street.
Steeler Mania
QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 16 2005, 12:26 PM)
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Uh, I believe it is....the mark....the mark was to be on the hand, or forehead. Funny, that is where the chip is to go.


So? Its not going in the forehead, its going in the arm (I think somewhere around the wrist even, not hand, IIRC), because its the most logical place.

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It will do all your banking and have YOUR personal info on it....just like it said in the Bible.


Not the current ones and the ones in the near future. All those do is send a signal a short range, which can be picked up with equipment at the hospital, and then your medical information can be called up. Theres no information on the chip, at all.

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That is why I REFUSE TO HAVE IT....


Well, provided you live long enough, you'll probably be obligated to have it, or live on the street.
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and regardless, I will not accept it!

Stellar
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and regardless, I will not accept it!


So you will live on the street?
Steeler Mania
QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 16 2005, 01:25 PM)
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and regardless, I will not accept it!


So you will live on the street?
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yes, and I'll have much company from other believers of the bible
Stellar
QUOTE(Steeler Mania @ Jan 16 2005, 05:39 PM)
QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 16 2005, 01:25 PM)
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and regardless, I will not accept it!


So you will live on the street?
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yes, and I'll have much company from other believers of the bible
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Alright. Good look finding food. Remember, if all the believers of the bible go to the streets, that'll be many mouths to feed, and you'll find it hard to find that much charity.
Novo
Just let them die of cancer, while our chips protect us stellar. Sort of a poetic justice eh? lol.
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