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Gaia
This used to happen to me all the time. The marks, and they're placement, always correlated with the dream I had that night. Each night a different dream, each morning a different marking in the location of injury during the dream. I believe it to be a sort of metaphysical response to the encounters that occur during the rem cycles of sleep. Scientific studies have proven that the physical reaction to subconcious experiences, can greatly vary.

Others have theorized that latent psychic talents and abilities come from parts of the mind that aren't actively used. In order to actively persue such things, one must bring aspects of they're subconcious persona to they're conciousness. Such an example can be meditation. Usually a person will meditate to actively find inner peace. When does one normally find inner peace? The answer is when you sleep. Your subconcious puts your body in a relaxed state, allowing you peace. By the act of meditation, you physically put your mind into a similar state. This is such an example of bringing an aspect of your subconcious to your conciousness.

Many others believe that only in a state of rest, can spirits of a higher power, or on a higher plane of existance can speak to, or through you. Examples can be made throughout writen history, on people who have stated they have been "contacted" in they're dreams.

The origins are nearly impossible to trace though, and as far as evidence of a destinct conclussion. This neither proves, nor denies it's existance. I believe that these physical signs however, are evidence to the person, that they do have abilities greater then they can see, when they look in the mirror.

After all, as people, we are far more then just a reflection.
Megladon
Here's a Megladon update for you.

I recently moved. I've been staying at my new place since August 05. When I moved I also got a new mattress. I like this new one much better. It's nice & firm. After sleeping on it a couple of nights my wife told me that I didn't move during my sleep. I guess I used to toos & turn a lot. Everything was going good and I didn't have any activity during my sleep. Well that only lasted about a week or two. Eventually I started having some of the same trouble during my sleep. I have these episodes less often now & they are less intense. But I still have them. As far as scratches go, well I still haven't gotten any more since my last posts. I don't know what caused them, why they started, and why they have stopped.
I remember when I first started noticing them they were always on my back. It happened like about every other week. Then they stopped appearing. I didn't get them for a very long time....probably close to a year. Then they started appearing again, but this time they were not on my back. They were on my shoulders.
Well if the scratches come back again I'll be sure to take some pictures. I got a sweet digital camera (Nikon D70) and take high quality photos.
bloodylilly
QUOTE(ScarlettPony @ Jan 12 2005, 11:07 PM) [snapback]447654[/snapback]

I am new here, having just found this site last night---but already I have read many posts from people who have had the same strange occurances as I have had!!! So, I can be honest with y'all I think!!!!

This is one that I haven't seen anyone write about yet; so if anyone has had this happen, please reply. Especially if you know what it is. Or what causes it.....I only know it's not me who causes it!!

It's just this: Ever since I was little, every now and then (enough that i would call it frequently) I notice these thin scratches in different places . They appear to be old scratches, a dark red color. But they wern't there when I went to sleep the night before. There is never any bleeding, but they are definitely scratches, always exactly the same stage of healing--they look like they were made with a needle---but they are of varying lengths.

You may think "hangnail", or "she does it to herself in her sleep" and that's what I would think if I were reading this. But I don't have hangnails, ever. And they appear on areas I can't reach, like the middle of my back. Usually it will be a long scratch across my stomach, but sometimes on my face or arms. The strange thing is they always look the same and it has happened all my life.

Welp like not even a year ago that was happening to me up at my uncle's... It happened for about a month... I'd wake up with not usually scratches but usually hand prints... like I was slapped... it would appear everywhere not in one certain spot... it'd usually go away by the middle of the day though... but I did a protection spell on myself I found in a spell book and it didn't happen anymore...
angrycrustacean
I sometimes get these scratches on my right side; They usually start just below my right arm, almost on my chest, then curving down and terminating above my right hip, almost on my lower back. There has also been one or two instances where I've had a series of scratches on my lower back near the spine, a few crossing my shoulders, and very rarely a small nick on my face, near the jawbone. It's not a regular occurence, and they're not painful. I can have a good 6 months without them, then one day as I get into the shower I'll see them in the mirror, having not noticed them before.

Bear in mind these aren't deep scratches like some of the ones posted here. They're actually very similar to a cat scratch, where they raise a nasty-looking welt but generally don't bleed.

Perhaps I've got Cat Scratch Fever. w00t.gif
isis-999
Prehap's you have a demon who wants you out of his home.... w00t.gif
ScarlettPony
QUOTE(bloodylilly @ Nov 13 2005, 02:43 PM) [snapback]930107[/snapback]

Welp like not even a year ago that was happening to me up at my uncle's... It happened for about a month... I'd wake up with not usually scratches but usually hand prints... like I was slapped... it would appear everywhere not in one certain spot... it'd usually go away by the middle of the day though... but I did a protection spell on myself I found in a spell book and it didn't happen anymore...



Hi Lilly--What is the spell? Sounds like it would be worth a try--
Thanks,
Scarlett
bloodylilly
QUOTE(ScarlettPony @ Nov 14 2005, 06:08 PM) [snapback]932020[/snapback]

Hi Lilly--What is the spell? Sounds like it would be worth a try--
Thanks,
Scarlett

I don't remember I had to give the spell book back to my exfriend... I'd be able to get it... but I don't talk to her anymore...
I'll try to look for it in other spell books... It's probably in an other spell book I have... I'll look and post it up on here or pm it to you...
Moone_lite_eyes
I have Woke up with puncture like bite marks on me..... scarier i have visions of how i got them unsure.gif
Rypnredi
It's been quite some time since I've added anything to this post. During the months from July through September, I did not receive any scratches whatsoever, but have started reappearing again over the past few weeks. They are the same as before, always on my forearms, and always look like they've been made with a needle or a pin. I might add that during the summer, the man I had been dating died of a massive heart attack, plus my father passed away as well. Sometimes I wonder if there's a connection somehow ...
Rypnredi
One more thing ... twice in the past week, there have been no scratches on my arms in the morning when I get up, but about mid morning, they just appear. They look freshly made.
ScarlettPony
QUOTE(Rypnredi @ Nov 19 2005, 09:36 AM) [snapback]939087[/snapback]

It's been quite some time since I've added anything to this post. During the months from July through September, I did not receive any scratches whatsoever, but have started reappearing again over the past few weeks. They are the same as before, always on my forearms, and always look like they've been made with a needle or a pin. I might add that during the summer, the man I had been dating died of a massive heart attack, plus my father passed away as well. Sometimes I wonder if there's a connection somehow ...



Hey Girl--I dropped out of this thread for quite a while too but I do try to look in when I am notified of a post. You won't believe this. But my scratches had stopped too for a long time. I awakened several mornings a month or so ago with the same type scratches. You know, halfway healed when I didn't even have them before, look like they are made with a needle or a catscratch, but nothing sharp and no cat, bla bla bla, same same same unidentified causation. Two weeks later my father passed away too. But i am happy for him, he is free now and he has no regrets. He left nothing unsaid or undone here on earth and was a wonderful father. His passing was a blessing for him. Then a week later, my husband's son who I love very much was in a terrible truck accident, breaking his femur and requiring surgery that very day. Other injuries too but not FATAL. Maybe the scratches are premonitory manifestations. It's a thought......
foxylatina107
Often, my husband gets similar scratches, same places, same size. it was impossible to say it was him as he difinitely could not reach those parts. He wasn't prone to sleepwalking. And I do not have long nails.

We're as curious as you are ScarlettPony!
Ey3 0f th3 B3}{0lder
Wow...I just read through this whole thing start to finish. At first i kept reading because this was an interesting topic, But when I saw the pictures images of my young chilhood (im only 13 right now) flashed before my eyes.
I had compleatly forgoten that i used to have these exact same things!
I remeber having them for as far back as i can remeber. But when I was like 11 they just stopped.

I am now really curious to find out what causes these marks. A couple things I would like to point out (these were really early in the begging of this thread).

"Shadowpeople" are common hillucinations reported by users of meth.
And way way way way back somone refered to religon as a sorce of this. They said that wikian people belive in god just like everyone else. I find that kind of offencive because i have NO belife in god or the devil.

Also my brother has the same type of experiance with nightterrors he has had them for 5 years. If anyone finds the source of these cuts I would really like to know what it is.
ScarlettPony
QUOTE(Ey3 0f th3 B3}{0lder @ Nov 20 2005, 01:35 AM) [snapback]940200[/snapback]

Wow...I just read through this whole thing start to finish. At first i kept reading because this was an interesting topic, But when I saw the pictures images of my young chilhood (im only 13 right now) flashed before my eyes.
I had compleatly forgoten that i used to have these exact same things!
I remeber having them for as far back as i can remeber. But when I was like 11 they just stopped.

I am now really curious to find out what causes these marks. A couple things I would like to point out (these were really early in the begging of this thread).

"Shadowpeople" are common hillucinations reported by users of meth.
And way way way way back somone refered to religon as a sorce of this. They said that wikian people belive in god just like everyone else. I find that kind of offencive because i have NO belife in god or the devil.

Also my brother has the same type of experiance with nightterrors he has had them for 5 years. If anyone finds the source of these cuts I would really like to know what it is.


Thanks for your post--you have impressive command of the written word for someone so young and seeme to have a maturity uncommon for your age. I can imagine that people who are meth users could quite possibly have hallucinations of shadowpeople (and worse I would think). I feel so sorry for them. I, myself, have never in my life used meth. Certainly as a child of 4 years or so, when this phenomena began, I had not heard of anything other than that pink baby asperin they used to give children befor it was found to cause Reye's Syndrome!!! Thanks though. Take care. Don't worry about what people say about Wiccan belief; lots of peopole express opinions regarding things of which they actually know nothing...
Dante The Hunter
hey, dont suspect the grasp of the youngs language is insignificant to yours!
GuitarGirl81
I actually read through this whole thread- fascinating... I get scratches like that, probably about once every 2-3 weeks... Bruises, too... When i was a kid, my mom always used to yell at me and say someone at school was going to call Protective Services on me, because i would wake up with like 3 new bruises every morning... And i wasn't an active kid- the most exercise I got was taking the dog for a walk... I pretty much spent my childhood buried in a book, so there was no reason for me to have the scratches and bruises...

I get them every now and again- thin, scabbed-over, light scratches looking like cat marks (I have no cat, just a dog).
It's funny, I was thinking about this yesterday when I accidently lightly scratched myself wiht a box cutter (trying to put together some equipment and I wasn't paying attention)- the mark looked almost exactly like what I get-thin, crusty, barely there...

I always wondered if I scratch myself in my sleep because i get a lot of Old Hag's Syndrome...
Malicious
one morning my sister woke up with bruises over her body....she believed them to se sun spots. but there was a bruise on her left thigh that puzzled me.......the bruise was in the shape of a hand, almost have if something grabbed her, and left its mark @_@
little_bunny
That sounds very unusual waking up with bruises and scratches over your body. Thats never happened to me before except when I found a funny mark on my back, it has four little dots making a triangle but its probably a birthmark or something. tongue.gif


Love
Heather
Deadly Nightshade
Hi Scarlettpony.
Yes, I know exactly what you are tlking about as this happens to me even now. I have not only woken up with scratch marks but bruising too even around my throat like someone has tried to strangle me in my sleep.

Now at first I thought it maybe me scratching myself while I was asleep but then it got more intense. I was waking up with bruising to my arms and legs as if someone had tried pinning me down to the bed. It was at this point it started to feel really scarey as iI knew I couldnt have possibly done this to myself as the bruising was in difficult areas for me to reach. I had been pinned down by something.

I also started freakin out when I would wake up in the middle of night findin it hyard to breathe then wake up the following morning with bruising to my throat.

I read somewhere in this thread that someone replied " it could be caused subconsciously by oneself." I live alone so how do you explain all this as there is no way anyone is able to do this to oneself.

Deaddly Nightshade.
ScarlettPony


QUOTE(dante,the hunter @ Nov 20 2005, 12:12 PM) [snapback]940737[/snapback]

hey, dont suspect the grasp of the youngs language is insignificant to yours!

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ScarlettPony
QUOTE(Deadly Nightshade @ Nov 20 2005, 03:59 PM) [snapback]941098[/snapback]

Hi Scarlettpony.
Yes, I know exactly what you are tlking about as this happens to me even now. I have not only woken up with scratch marks but bruising too even around my throat like someone has tried to strangle me in my sleep.

Now at first I thought it maybe me scratching myself while I was asleep but then it got more intense. I was waking up with bruising to my arms and legs as if someone had tried pinning me down to the bed. It was at this point it started to feel really scarey as iI knew I couldnt have possibly done this to myself as the bruising was in difficult areas for me to reach. I had been pinned down by something.

I also started freakin out when I would wake up in the middle of night findin it hyard to breathe then wake up the following morning with bruising to my throat.

I read somewhere in this thread that someone replied " it could be caused subconsciously by oneself." I live alone so how do you explain all this as there is no way anyone is able to do this to oneself.

Deaddly Nightshade.


Hi Nightshade

Yikes!!! The thing that makes me feel this thing that happens to you isn't something like sleep paralysis is that you wake up with bruises around your throat! It sounds dangerous--there is a great chat called ghostchatter.com where you may get some advice on what to do about this possible entity and how to get rid of it. The people there are very nice and are truly pdople who are serious about the paranormal. I know they would be happy to help you. Just a suggestion. Maybe I'll see you there.

Scarlett
Ey3 0f th3 B3}{0lder
It happened again last night...first time in about 3 years. This leads me to belive it MIGHT be subconsious, because I had compleatly forgetten about them and they stopped; now I remebered about them and they started again. This might also be the cause of yours (ScarlettPony) stopping. They might have stopped because you found out so many people were having the same thing. But I am probably wrong it just seems ironic that as soon as i remember them...I have them again.
Deadly Nightshade
Hi Scarlet
Sleep paralysis does not cause bruising. This has happened to me also and at the time i cannot move my limbs, body or head. I can only move my eyes.
Now there have been many nights ive suffered sleep paralysis, mostly woken in the first place by the feeling of hands pressing on my windpipe.

I lie there unable to move, all i can feel at this point is someone/something sitting on my chest also preventing me from breathing properly.

I have seen the entity concerning this matter and I was freaked out about it and was scared to speak out. Now I am not, I refused point blank to let this entity of many beat me.

Blessed Be
Nightshade
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ScarlettPony
QUOTE(Deadly Nightshade @ Nov 28 2005, 05:09 PM) [snapback]952556[/snapback]

Hi Scarlet
Sleep paralysis does not cause bruising. This has happened to me also and at the time i cannot move my limbs, body or head. I can only move my eyes.
Now there have been many nights ive suffered sleep paralysis, mostly woken in the first place by the feeling of hands pressing on my windpipe.

I lie there unable to move, all i can feel at this point is someone/something sitting on my chest also preventing me from breathing properly.

I have seen the entity concerning this matter and I was freaked out about it and was scared to speak out. Now I am not, I refused point blank to let this entity of many beat me.

Blessed Be
Nightshade
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Hey Nightshade,
You are absolutely right, sleep paralysis does not cause bruising--That's why I said that what is happening to you is not sleep paralysis I don't think.I must have not said what i meant--I'm sorry! No, don't worry, I am not doubting you at all! I am scared for you--I don't want you to get hurt! Do I understand that you have gotten rid of this thing? What did it look like?! Or maybe you don't want to say; if not, I understand. Thanks for writing and I hope that thing stays away from you!!!

Scarlett
satguru
Just found this thread and this has been happening to me for a couple of months with literally no normal explanation. One night, after a cold day wrapped up in winter clothes, then switching to long-sleeved pyjamas, woke up with two cat-type scratches on my arm. I hadn't had bare arms for days so there was no way anything could have reached them to do that.
Last week I woke up with a fairly deep scratch on the bridge of my nose with no way it could have happened without me noticing. The previous scratches were mainly on my ankles and feet where I'd had socks on and again would have been impossible to scratch when gardening or otherwise outdoors as covered up, and anything sharp enough to sctatch through the socks would have hurt!

Hypnotists claim stress can cause the body to develop scratches spontaneously but I'm not sure I believe it.
Lord Umbarger
Scarlett :
Find a Rabbi. If not a Rabbi, then at least someone with a little experience about this sort of thing.
whitelight
Many years ago I would wake up only to look at fresh scratches on my face in the mirror. I was clueless. Then one morning while laying in bed my cat smacked me in the face. My cat was scratching me when I moved while I was sleeping.
Deadly Nightshade
Hi Scarlet,
Yes you are right in thinking that Ive got rid of this thing now, it was hard work but now I'm rid.

Yes i can explain what it looked like although the light was dim.
When I woke on several occasions feeling a weight on my chest I couldnt move as I said but was able to see a thing sat on my chest. It was really scary as I had not seen anything like it before. It seemed to have a leather looking skin, with wrinkles, do you understand what I'm talking about?
Anyway, it appeared to that its limbs were stretched out towards my wrists holding me down as it sat on my chest glaring at me with its eyes which were red. The eyes I could make out quite clearly as they glowed in the dim light, infa red.

Also, I dont know whether its connected but at the same period I was having these experiences, some weird things used to happen while I was awake and walking around the house. Can I talk about it here???

Nightshade
xxx.
ScarlettPony
Hey Girl--
I would suppose it's ok to talk about it here--as long as your post doesn't break any of the rules of the forums; and/or as long as it isn't a truly offensive comment. Use your own discretion...I personally am on the edge of my seat to know now that it sounds so spoooky!! unsure.gif

xxScarlett
ScarlettPony
QUOTE(whitelight @ Nov 30 2005, 01:18 AM) [snapback]954986[/snapback]

Many years ago I would wake up only to look at fresh scratches on my face in the mirror. I was clueless. Then one morning while laying in bed my cat smacked me in the face. My cat was scratching me when I moved while I was sleeping.



Glad you got the answer for your occurance--when I DID have a cat, she never scratched me at all. I think she would have considered it extremely rude to do that while I slept. She always slept on the corner at the foot of my bed like she was my guardian. I've had these scratches all my life, waty before and way since I had a cat in the house. blink.gif
ScarlettPony
QUOTE(satguru @ Nov 29 2005, 07:56 PM) [snapback]954606[/snapback]

Just found this thread and this has been happening to me for a couple of months with literally no normal explanation. One night, after a cold day wrapped up in winter clothes, then switching to long-sleeved pyjamas, woke up with two cat-type scratches on my arm. I hadn't had bare arms for days so there was no way anything could have reached them to do that.
Last week I woke up with a fairly deep scratch on the bridge of my nose with no way it could have happened without me noticing. The previous scratches were mainly on my ankles and feet where I'd had socks on and again would have been impossible to scratch when gardening or otherwise outdoors as covered up, and anything sharp enough to sctatch through the socks would have hurt!

Hypnotists claim stress can cause the body to develop scratches spontaneously but I'm not sure I believe it.



Yeah, it's a wierd thing alright. I have no clue really. But I do know what ya mean--I don't do it to myself and neither does my bed, my clothes, my fingernails, etc etc etc...I have never heard about that stress thing causing scratches. Doesn't sound very reasonable to me; just speaking from a medical standpoint...hives maybe...stomach ache...high blood pressure, stuff like that, yes. But scratches that appear as though they have been there for a couple of days (but they haven't), no. I'd have to see some credible documentation on that.. Interesting thought though....Thanks for your post!!

Scarlett
Megladon
Not much has changed w/me.
siggnor
QUOTE(ScarlettPony @ Jan 13 2005, 04:07 AM) [snapback]447654[/snapback]

I am new here, having just found this site last night---but already I have read many posts from people who have had the same strange occurances as I have had!!! So, I can be honest with y'all I think!!!!

This is one that I haven't seen anyone write about yet; so if anyone has had this happen, please reply. Especially if you know what it is. Or what causes it.....I only know it's not me who causes it!!

It's just this: Ever since I was little, every now and then (enough that i would call it frequently) I notice these thin scratches in different places . They appear to be old scratches, a dark red color. But they wern't there when I went to sleep the night before. There is never any bleeding, but they are definitely scratches, always exactly the same stage of healing--they look like they were made with a needle---but they are of varying lengths.

You may think "hangnail", or "she does it to herself in her sleep" and that's what I would think if I were reading this. But I don't have hangnails, ever. And they appear on areas I can't reach, like the middle of my back. Usually it will be a long scratch across my stomach, but sometimes on my face or arms. The strange thing is they always look the same and it has happened all my life.


u know a lot of people scratch themsleves when they have an itch, even subconsciously.
ScarlettPony
QUOTE(Megladon @ Aug 5 2006, 01:30 AM) [snapback]1295735[/snapback]

Not much has changed w/me.

Hey Megla!
I haven't been to this site in a long time--nice to see ya---A strange thing that is new with this cat-scratch looking phenomena: Since my father died last October, I haven't had any of these markings. I think my dad came in after he died and kicked ass and cleaned up and got rid of any entities that were here. I had not told him about anything; but it would be just like him to go to each of our homes and make sure we were ok before heading on up. He wouldn't have been surprised that my house would be the one with paranormal things happening though. He always knew I was a little bit psychic. (Or would that be psychiatric?)haha
Anyhow, I haven't heard any explanation that tracks. Haven't thought about it in a while, but apparantly it is something that has happened to a whole heck of alot of people and I am glad I started this topic. Maybe it has helped some folks. I hope so. If nothing else, to know that none of us is alone in this. But for me, it looks like Daddy took care of it from his vantage point! Hope all is well with you.

Scarlett original.gif
Gary007
guys i found a article online just today, could this be related to or the exact same thing we are expereienceing? ... seems like the CDC is finally investigateing.

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CDC probes bizarre Morgellons condition By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer
Tue Aug 8, 8:15 PM ET


ATLANTA - Imagine your body pocked by erupting sores. The sensation of little bugs crawling all over you. And worst of all, mysterious red and blue fibers sprouting from your skin.

It may sound like a macabre science fiction movie, but a growing legion of Americans say they suffer from this condition. And now the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating.

Some doctors dismiss these patients as delusional. But the condition — called Morgellons — has caused a small frenzy on the Internet, with hundreds of people pleading for help.

"Sometimes the government doesn't want to panic people until they can figure out a definitive cause," said Pat Boddie, a 62-year-old Alabama woman who said she's had Morgellons for 14 years.

"They're trying to figure out if this is going to be an epidemic. I hate to tell them, but it already is," she said.

The CDC has been receiving as many as 20 calls a day from self-diagnosed Morgellons patients. The agency has been urged to investigate by, among others, U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record) of California.

"We're going into this with an open mind," said Dan Rutz, spokesman for a CDC Morgellons task force that began meeting in June.

But so far there is no evidence of an infectious agent, and health officials say there is not yet enough evidence even to call it a disease.

People claiming to have Morgellons report a wide variety of symptoms, ranging from joint pain to irregular bowel movements. But most describe crawling sensations along the skin, sores, fatigue, "brain fog," and the appearance of small or microscopic fibers on or under the skin.

Some say they've suffered for decades, but the syndrome did not get a name until 2002, when the name "Morgellons" (pronounced mor-GELL-uns) was chosen by Mary Leitao. The South Carolina woman, who said her son suffers from the condition, founded the Morgellons Research Foundation.

She found the name in a 1674 medical paper that described a condition called Morgellons, with symptoms somewhat like her son's. So she began using the name. "I never expected it to stick," she said.

Leitao's organization has become a leading source of information and research advocacy, but it too has become controversial.

Last week, at least three of the eight members of the organization resigned over disagreements with Leitao, the executive director, about how she's been running the foundation. One member — the board's chairman — sent a letter to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, saying Leitao had failed to produce requested financial records and he voiced suspicions of financial impropriety.

Another board member who resigned, Dr. Greg Smith, a Gainesville, Ga., pediatrician, had recently posted a donations-soliciting letter for the foundation on an Internet site frequented by Morgellons patients. Last week, he posted a retraction.

"I cannot in good faith ask anyone to contribute to the foundation," Smith wrote.

Leitao described the controversy as "a power struggle" and said she's done nothing illegal.

Also resigning from the organization was Randy Wymore, an Oklahoma State University assistant professor of pharmacology. He was the organization's director of research.

Wymore had initiated the relationship last year. But because of the in-fighting he said he decided to distance himself. "The research I'm doing is not affected by this," Wymore added.

Until the CDC task force, Wymore was seen as the most reputable scientist to research Morgellons, although he was trained in molecular biology, not clinical disease or fibrous materials.

He recruited two Oklahoma State faculty physicians. They tweezed fibers from beneath the skin of some Morgellons patients who visited the Oklahoma State Center for Health Sciences in Tulsa in February, Wymore said, and sent those samples to the Tulsa Police Department's forensic laboratory.

The police checked the samples against carpet and clothing fibers and other materials, and conducted chemical analyses and other tests. Nothing matched, said Mark Boese, the police lab's director.

"How it is being produced, I don't know," Boese said. He theorized the fibers could be produced by human hair follicles that somehow encapsulated pollutants processed by the body.

Some doctors believe Morgellons is produced by the mind, not the body.

"I think of Morgellons as a piece of a larger phenomenon — delusional parasitosis," said Dr. Annette Matthews, a psychiatrist at the Oregon Health & Science University in Portland.

Delusional parasitosis is a psychosis in which sufferers believe they are infected with parasites. Often the patients have a real-life problem with scabies, lice, or some other tiny attackers, but then imagine they are continuing to plague them, Matthews said.

Asked about reports of multiple Morgellons cases within a family, Matthews said delusions are transmissible — the psychiatric term is 'folie a deux,' for instances in which people come to share a delusion.

Some people will biopsy themselves, or seek large quantities of antibiotics, herbal remedies, industrial bug killers and other expensive and potentially harmful treatments, she said.

The CDC's Rutz said there may be several subgroups among the people who identify themselves as Morgellons sufferers. One group may have delusional parasitosis, but another may have something else.

The 12-person CDC task force includes two pathologists, a toxicologist, an ethicist, a mental health expert and specialists in infectious, parasitic, environmental and chronic disease. The group is developing a case definition of Morgellons.

It's impossible to say how many people have Morgellons without a commonly accepted way to define it. The Morgellons Research Foundation believes the number is at least 5,500, based on the number of families registered with the organization's Web site.

Hopefully, a CDC case definition will lead some physicians to stop treating Morgellons patients like they're crazy, said Smith, the Georgia pediatrician and a Morgellons sufferer.

"A lot of physicians think that if it's not in the textbooks, it's not real," said Smith, who said a fiber once slid across his eyeball and then burrowed in.

Verna Gallagher, 48, said she's been seeing a dermatologist for nearly a year. "(But) he doesn't believe in Morgellons. He said 'That's not a real thing,'" said Gallagher, of Roseville, Calif., near Sacramento.

But while her doctor dismisses the fibers as lint, Gallagher says he is concerned that she may become suicidal. "I cry, and he says I have to live my life" and tells here to write down things that she likes to do.

Meanwhile, she says she is plagued by tiny dark specks and fibers that infest her house. She's paid for exterminators, taken antidepressants, bathed in Borax and spent hundreds on vitamins, garlic pills and other potential remedies.

"Nothing's helped," she said.

Herx
I'm really glad I found this post as this has been buggin me all day.

So, about 4 years ago, my uncle committed suicide. The day of the funeral, I woke up with this 3-4 inch scratch around my left fore-arm. It looked somewhat like a cat scratch and was quite red. It wasn't bleeding, and hadn't been. I figured my cat and done it while I was sleeping even thought I figured I would have waken up to it. Oh well.
So then, I was one http://coasttocoastam.com about a week ago and found a picture a guy had put up. He had woken up with these mysterious scratches on his arm. I then told a Wiccan friend of mine about it, but she said she hadn't heard of it before. The very next day, she called me to come see her at work. She lifted up her dress, and showed me a scratch she had on her thigh. This kinda freaked her out and I told her I would google it.

Then, this morning, I woke up with three scratches down my right arm. Each are about 6 inches in length. They look exactly the same as the other on my left arm.

Now I have NOOOO idea what these are. It's not a cat scratch, I didn't have a hang-nail, there was nothing sticking out of my bed, etc. They dont hurt, but they're creepin' me out.
Anyone have any explanations?
Mysterious Molecules
The most reasonable explanation is scratching yourself hard in your sleep.

I sometimes wake up with blood gatherings from lying asleep a long time in a discomfortable possition.

Jumping to the conclusion of demonic possesion or paranormal energies is a bit far fetched imo.

It happens to everyone i know and is perfectly normal on this side of the globe.

Have a nice day original.gif
MarleyVincent
QUOTE(ScarlettPony @ Jan 13 2005, 05:07 AM) [snapback]447654[/snapback]

I am new here, having just found this site last night---but already I have read many posts from people who have had the same strange occurances as I have had!!! So, I can be honest with y'all I think!!!!

This is one that I haven't seen anyone write about yet; so if anyone has had this happen, please reply. Especially if you know what it is. Or what causes it.....I only know it's not me who causes it!!

It's just this: Ever since I was little, every now and then (enough that i would call it frequently) I notice these thin scratches in different places . They appear to be old scratches, a dark red color. But they wern't there when I went to sleep the night before. There is never any bleeding, but they are definitely scratches, always exactly the same stage of healing--they look like they were made with a needle---but they are of varying lengths.

You may think "hangnail", or "she does it to herself in her sleep" and that's what I would think if I were reading this. But I don't have hangnails, ever. And they appear on areas I can't reach, like the middle of my back. Usually it will be a long scratch across my stomach, but sometimes on my face or arms. The strange thing is they always look the same and it has happened all my life.

MarleyVincent
Sorry didnt mean to quote all that. Basically about 10 years ago i was staying at a friends flat. i went to sleep on the sofa. i had a dream where i could see my back and three claws a bit like a birds moved across my back. i felt the pain watched the blood and saw the scratches being made. i forgot all about the dream untill my girlfriend at the time saw them and asked me about them, i felt sick turned white told her about it. anyway its good to know this has happened to others in a way, going to read all the posts now to see if anyone has a reason, i know i didnt do it my self i looked in the mirror and tried it was impposible for me to do it.
F-16 Falcon
Chances are, they are nothing more than self induced cuts. Nothing to worry about.
UconnHusky
Wow Scarlett it sounds like you are one of those people who are "beacons" to spirits. I don't remember the exact term but a while ago I was watching Unsolved Mysteries and there was an episode involving a girl that always saw spirits good and bad. Her parents would hear spirits talking in foreign tongues above their bed at night and the father would wake up with painful scratches on his back and stomach. Are you sure you've never felt threatened by any of these spirits because if they scratch you I don't think that is something a "good" spirit would do. It's just so wierd that you mention all these same exact things that this girl experienced on Unsolved Mysteries. Things would disappear in their home and show up in ridiculous places like you said happens at your home. Again you have never felt threatened or uncomfortable with these any of these spirits? Have they ever appeared or acted in an agressive manner towards you. And lastly, have you seen any "spirits" that appear all black as black shadows in the figure of a person?

controversialMike
Me too.....

I have been getting these scratches in my sleep for about 8 years now, sets occurring as others heal. I'm 27 and have traveled the country (England) extensively and I've had these scratches appear in every place I have slept (as far as I can remember), be it a four poster bed, sofa, under a piece of corrugate or wherever.

Mine are also about 2-5 inches long, often come in set of 2-4 and always parallel with each other being about 1 inch apart. They are almost always on my back spread between places I can reach and places I cannot and, as mentioned several times, they appear to be very fine pin-like scratches that scab instantly.

I am a manic nail biter (down to the roots) and also someone who spends a lot of time picking the spots on my back (not that there are really any there, I just get a little bored after I’ve had a bifta or two). The reason I state this info is that if I spend a lot of time picking and scratching, how come I never produce cuts/scratches like the ones that appear from nowhere? One other point is that I know exactly which areas on my back I can and cannot reach! I know for a fact that If I was to try to produce a scratch of similar ilk say, for example, in my central spine area, I would only be able to produce scratches in one of two directions (due to my reach). The scratches often defy.

I once found a plant stalk in my sheets which had caused a similar scratch on my stomach but in a circular motion. This now prompts me to sweep down my bed clothes every night before settling down.

I don’t really dream that much and when I do it’s always one of two scenarios’ involving an old place of work or my time living in Ibiza. I’m a light sleeper and regularly wake with little disturbance.

I thought it might be the spirit of my ex girlfriend punishing me for a broken promise but I think that’s wishful thinking, I haven’t see or hear her voice in over 5 years now.

I’ll be the first to admit that I am sleeping with ghosts but they are firmly lodged in my mind. I have no real belief in Ghosts, Gods or Ghouls and will be looking at the obvious possibilities before making any mid-set changing assumptions.

Well, that my two pence!.. oh, and my first post
Lady_Anvilabeel
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I once found a plant stalk in my sheets which had caused a similar scratch on my stomach but in a circular motion. This now prompts me to sweep down my bed clothes every night before settling down.


Hi Mike and welcome to UM original.gif

Looks like you got to the bottom of your scratches thumbsup.gif

Could it be possible that this explains alot of it with others as well I wonder. It reminds me of a time when I came out in a rash across my lower legs after having a nap. I found little tiny balls of sticky willy ( plant by the way huh.gif) stuck to my socks so they must have caused an irritation while I was sleeping original.gif

controversialMike
Hi Anvil and thanks for the warm welcome.

Not quite solved, This was only one occasion and the mark caused was not really anything like the usual. I can't even imagine how many times I have woken with these scratches, must be well into the hundreds, from many different beds and locations (although, now thinking a little deeper, I can't specifically remember getting them when I lived abroad).

As I said, I'm hardly the spiritualist but it does sound strange that so many seem to be experiencing exactly the same thing with no difinitive explanation.
QueenOftheCramped
Hi Guys,

i haven't read all posts on this thread, so if someone else already wrote something similar, I apologise.

Well, this is what comes to my mind: From the descriptions of many of your scratches, e.g. thin, several inches long, like made with a pin, sometimes down the middle of the back, and some of you chewing nails, unconscious scratching during sleep seems unlikely. If we scratch ourselves, it's usually repeatedly at the same location, and fingernail scratches are wider. If one would scratch until blood is drawn, I think a whole patch would be reddened and chafed. However, who knows?

As there seem to be quite a number of people out there with this phenomenon, I would strongly suggest that some of you try to interest an institution to conduct controlled experiments. This would involve you sleeping at their premises, or a "laboratory", and being filmed all night during sleep. This way it could be clearly established whether or not you are scratching yourselves, should scratches appear. Institutions that might be interested could be universities researching sleep patterns, or of course, paranormal societies with a serious reputation.

Hope this helps

QotC
controversialMike
Sounds like a good idea QueenOfTheCramped, if was boss wasn't such a tight ar5e then maybe I'd have Bupa and i'd be able to go in for sleep study.

But i don't and for the amount of problems it causes (the only side affect is a puzzled look on my face, no pain or real discomfort) I can't afford the time off work or the cost of private study.

Anyone else wanna cash in on their healthcare for me?
wheels20
QUOTE(ScarlettPony @ Jan 12 2005, 08:07 PM) [snapback]447654[/snapback]

I am new here, having just found this site last night---but already I have read many posts from people who have had the same strange occurances as I have had!!! So, I can be honest with y'all I think!!!!

This is one that I haven't seen anyone write about yet; so if anyone has had this happen, please reply. Especially if you know what it is. Or what causes it.....I only know it's not me who causes it!!

It's just this: Ever since I was little, every now and then (enough that i would call it frequently) I notice these thin scratches in different places . They appear to be old scratches, a dark red color. But they wern't there when I went to sleep the night before. There is never any bleeding, but they are definitely scratches, always exactly the same stage of healing--they look like they were made with a needle---but they are of varying lengths.

You may think "hangnail", or "she does it to herself in her sleep" and that's what I would think if I were reading this. But I don't have hangnails, ever. And they appear on areas I can't reach, like the middle of my back. Usually it will be a long scratch across my stomach, but sometimes on my face or arms. The strange thing is they always look the same and it has happened all my life.



is it poosible that you could be oppressed by a Demon? because they Are in fact real.
Unlimited
I wake up with scratches on my legs and arms that are unexplained...I sometimes think I might be sleepwalking and going in the woods?...or astral fighting?..i'm not exactly sure how i get the cuts..these arent light scratches; but bloody scars...
Jesus_is_King
There's no doubt about it. A demon/s is causing your scratches, and it's not going to leave your life until you command it to leave in the name of Jesus. Have you asked Jesus to save you? If so then you can tell the demons "leave in the name of Jesus. I command you to go to the dry places and be gone from my life forever!" Doing spiritual warfare against demons is not easy but you will always win because Jesus is way more powerful than any demon could ever be. If you have not accepted Jesus as your savior, doing so will be your first and most important step in being victorious over the oppression of those demons in your life.

Question: Do you know of any family members or ancestors that were heavily involved in the occult or witchcraft/strange rituals? The reason I ask is because it sounds like these demons and strange events is because of a relative of the family.

You may find the scripture below interesting...

Ephesians 6: 11-13
11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.
coldethyl
Good grief.

Not everything is about demons!
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