yeah. I don't know about Nas, but Fat Joe did it!

Listening to Jada's, the beats not that good...but the lyrics are aight.

well, if that is Nas lyrics, i think he did a good job. he got all of them on:

*****s callin my name, I can turn '50 cents' into a 'Buck'
invest it in the 'Bank' and spend it all in the 'Game'

Ya Nasir Jones is the f*ckin shyt lol

First time I heard his track I went out and bought w/e albums they had at HMV..still a huge fan to this day..even when all the other mainstream shyt doesnt cut it fer me, I know I can always throw on sum Nas and be blown away..

He's brilliant, man..

- Dark

I agree. That's why I'm a avid underground hip hop listener. Have you checked out foreign exchange? Little brother is in it.

I just took another look on Nas's lyrics, and they are pretty danm good! He wrote more that Fat Joe I guess, but still..they both ripped!!

P.S. We should create a thread were we post dissings of each other, that would be fun

^ hahah that would be funny, but i dont think the mods will like that.

yea, I guess...

Anyway, did you hear Jada's diss? That was a diss right there. Fat Joe did an okay one, but Jada's was better, lyrically. Here are some quotes, and a picture I found in a foreign website

Jada boned him, hahaha! I can't find a clean version of that song, only snippets. I guess I'll keep looking. I heard that Eminem and Dre won't back him up and said that he's embarassing them? Also something about 50 now wanting the game back..I saw it on TV somewhere.

yeah. I hope that Jada, Fat Joe or Nas don't go for Eminem or Dre cuz they are supposed to be cool

I heard that Game, Jada and Fat Joe will release another diss on 50, and I heard that tensions between 50 and Eminem are rising .

Whao...Thomas Magnum got 50 hard...

Link

'Just a Moment' -Nas ft. Quan

Haha, Thomas Magnum did a good job.."put put your shirt back on mang" haha! I won't be surprised if 50 actually try dissing Dre and Em. That would be the day his career ends. I think 50 should just stay quiet from now before he gets shot up again.

You know what worries me? Failure...maybe Fat Joe will be shunned, he's trying to be better than 50...o my, what will be the future.

And I hope Eminem is for Fat Joe, Jadakiss and Nas, he's the genius in the family! And I hope Dr. Dre follows....hope I ain't disrespecting, but i'm for the Terror Squad on this one...

D12 vs. G-Unit vs. Terror Squad

hmm....quite a condradiction

It'll be interesting to see how everything turns out. I have no doubt that Fat Joe, Jada, and Nas will win with or without Em's and Dre's approval to 50. The reason I think this is that the hip hop community would greatly dislike the beef and they'll lose respect for Em and Dre so they'll have no support from the fans. This is why they haven't done anything thus far. So I don't think we'll have to worry about d12 or Em. Plus Joe Budden took out G-unit, there's no way G-unit can do anything!

The most likely outcomes:
D-Block & Terror Squad vs G-unit -- G unit loses
D-Block vs G-unit -- G-unit loses
Terror Squad vs G-unit -- G unit loses
Me vs G-unit -- G unit loses (hahaha jk)




So what are some of your favorite hip hop songs?

I heard Fat Joe is done with the beef? ho....he said one track is enough and i also heard 50 cent has some tracks for Jada and Fat Joe on his new LP.

I think fifty needs to chill out and rethink about starting beef with people. Today on the radio stations I listen to people were calling to tell them to stop playing his songs.

I agree, I mean...50's lyrics are alright and all, but Jada's and Nas's lyrics keep the style of Hip-Hop, of what it is supposed to be. Nas's new joint called 'Just a Moment' is one that touches me, and I remember one of Jada's songs hitting 106 and Park that I really liked. 50 likes to rap about sex, other rappers, and posting pictures of him firing an auto machine gun in his album when he's really fakin. His beats are really good though, they keep the club dancin.

Jadakiss - Why? I agree Nas has still kept it real in the mainstream. That's what i like about him.



Yeah, it's because he's got Dre. Without Dre's beats, he'll be nothing. I think people like his song because of the beats, it's something they can dance to. A good song that describes the way mainstream is now is Krayzie Bone - All I'm Hearing. Very Very good. Do you listen to underground hip hop?

Hip-hop, "What is it supposed to be" really?
And I'm curious what does Hip-Hop mean to you?
And how is Jada and Nas keep it hip-hop and not 50?

Should i answer this for you Hailo?

Hip hop has different meaning to different people, but mostly, people get the misconception of it due to the way hip hop is being portray through the media and the way mainstream artist makes it seem like through their lyrics. They represent the typical "gangster life" with all the jewelry, cars, girls,violence, and drugs. This is popularize and promoted because it sells to the listeners. This causes many younger impressionable listener to think that hip hop is nothing more than that. Because this sells, many other younger people will think it's cool and jump on the bandwagon which adds to it's popularity. It's all about the quick buck. Like other genre of music such as rock, people are disappointed at how it has come to be today. Many saying it's "pop rock" or some sort of that nature such as Green Day and Good Charlotte. The same thing has happened to hip hop which many people don't understand. It once was about the music and producing unique beats and rhyming complex words. It's a form of poetry and intricate word play that are harmonized together to produce a literary masterpiece. Subjects could include protest of the government, the struggles of life, unjustness of society, poverty, and practically anything that has to deal with life and your opinion on it. It's a form of self expressionism trying to innovate new and exciting sounds and lyrics. It calls for you to be an individual instead of being someone else. Hip hop does not even represent violence, it promotes unity and respect for each other. It embraces other cultures and is incorporated into hip hop. It evokes acceptance of each other, because without it, there would be no hip hop. The people make hip hop and it's something you live. I mean this message could be use and promoted in a society. Sadly, this concept of hip hop is not promotable and doesn't sell as well, thus, there is the underground scene of hip hop where artists are still producing it for the music. Sadly, many people think hip hop is a bunch of illiterate high school drop outs making money by shouting out jibberish. So back to Nas, Jada, and 50. Though all three artists could be considered mainstream, Nas and Jada has not sell out as much. They produce songs with uniqueness and they rap about more then the "typical gangster" life. They don't really care about the money as much and really they make songs that expresses their opinion. Listen to Nas - One Mic or even Jadakiss - Why. Though they are mainstream, it is still a whole lot better than other garbage that artists like Nelly, Chingy, Lil Flip, TI and all the other mainstream artist comes out with. The songs that 50 have are much like the typical mainstream style and they're mostly club bangers that people dance to. I mean just listen to those lyrics such as "shake...shake that ass girl" and his videos with him dancing on girls and flashing money around...im so disappointed at the way hip hop is. People need to get schooled on what hip hop is all about. I recommend listening to underground hip hop.

Darksinister

I assure you I know of the underground scene, everyday in brooklyn some rapper is trying to sell their cd to me . I only asked this question because most people sees hip-hop as music "only", your explanation of Hip-Hop "music" is correct, but one aspect of the whole message of hip-hop you missed is it's all about representing who you are, it's nice to have a message about society, but keeping it real to your heart is also important. And Gangster rap was meant to get people wise of the pathos of the ghetto but it backed fired and became a mainstream phenomena. It's a shame how the pioneers of gangster rap (Dr.Dre, Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, etc) don't acknowledge it as just a message of what is going on in the ghetto and how to make changes, now it's about street cred and actually being a Gangster for life, which is the wrong message.

I'm writing a paper about Hip-Hop not only about the music but about the culture itself the whole thing, a lot of people forget that hip-hop culture rose from the lack of a voice of inner city people. I'll shed on some light of some other cultural activities of Hip-Hop, there is DJ battling were a DJ and MC would simultaneously compose beats and rhyme lyrics. Their is break dancing where "Gangs" would get together and try to out do each other. Graffiti, the best artist of the city streets would tag the walls to show off their skills. The fashion back then it was being unique and flossing your self but also express your personality, today urban wear is just mass produced and unoriginal. The poetry you spoke of is also part of hip-hop culture back in the day poets would get together and recite their poems about the street, it's still done today, I applaud Russell Simmons and Mos Def on their show "Def Poetry" on HBO.

And as to Hip-Hop having a different meaning to different people is true, but the whole idea is to represent yourself as an individual.

You get my point hip-hop is not about music only, but has a range of mediums to express oneself, the mainstream as made a mockery of what Hip-Hop music is but it also made people blind about the whole culture itself. Once I get my paper done which should be sometime during late May, I'll post it up for you to read.

I hope you understand my post, it really annoys me that people think Hip-Hop is gangster rap music, but it's more then that, I hope I get my paper published through my University and get people to understand what hip-hop is about.

Sorry Hailo_hellFIRE I really wanted to read what you had to say but please don't respond yet to my post, I want to know what was your opinion of Hip-Hop culture and Hip-Hop music before you read my post.

Yeah, I touched on individualism a little. Your explaination is far better though, it's nice to hear other seeing hip hop in a different light. I'm so tired of people bagging on it too when they haven't even try to learn about it. I'm looking forward to read your essay, maybe it'll give everyone a better insight on what the culture is all about. Its sad to see some of the artists such as Mos Def and Q-tip going mainstream..but it's still better than most mainstream.

It's also funny to think most of the mainstream artists were pretty good underground lryicists. There was a song with Jay-z, Ja rule, and DMX all on the same track..hahah that was a cool song, frogot the title though.

Hey, Super Pancake, its all cool. I've already read your entire post before I reached the part where you wanted me to post my version before I read your version, hehe, oopsy

Thanks for backing me DarkSinister, but we all know that Super Pancake is cool . No beef goin around.

I read Super Pancakes and DarkSinisters posts and I was impressed by how you guys saw Hip-Hop. Its kinda how like I view it, sort of...

Here's my version. I've listened to Hip-Hop for like...2 years now . The other part of my life before that was just a life of pondering and nosepicking until I routinely turned on the radio to listen to Hip-Hop and R&B Stations, there used to be two in my city(only one now). I've been listening to Hip-Hop and the aspects that impressed me was the art of Rap.

I got into Rap a little more heavily when I watched their music videos because pictures are worth a thousand words. A visual experience is much more...understanding. Later on, I eventually found myself distinguishing between the music videos that give out true meanings, club beats and just plain s***. The type of music of Rap music that attracted me most was the true meanings, the music where you learn something, have the deepest of lyrics, and keep your head boppin at the same time. For example, 'Just a Moment' By Nas ft. Quan. Or 'The Corner' by Common ft. The Last Poets and Kanye West. These two songs gave me a good look at what they were pointing out, or most likely rapping about. The songs kept my head boppin, that was the main lure, while the lyrics made me pay attention. I payed attention and when the song was done, it made me think. I thought about life from Nas's joint, how fragile and delicate it was, how I wanted to see my deceased loved ones again. And the Corner from Common, I took at good look at the visuals and listened hard to the lyrics and I really thought about what goes on in the typical neighborhood. These Songs that made me think!! That is what I love to call ART!!

O man, I love it when that happens!! You get that feelig in movies, poems, portraits, nature walks, even songs. It made me think, thats what I think true Hip-Hop is. Well, ofcourse even our own opinions is art, its an expression....expression is what art is supposed to be. All the club songs, all the gangster 'respect or die' songs, I don't get much meaning from them. I think they are Hip-Hop too, but I don't like to see them as 'True' Hip-Hop. I hope you don't misunderstand me, cause I'm not declareing them 'Fake' Hip-Hop, they ARE Hip-Hop. But not the true Hip-Hop I like to hear with deep feeling and meaning. I love the Hip-Hop where the song gets you thinking about what they're talking about. You mainly think about what the rapper is expressing, isn't that what we show in art? An expression of ourselves? I love true expression, its me.....

Well, thats mainly how I see Rap and Hip-Hop. 50 Cent can make all the Hip-Hop he wants, but he raps too much about girls and their booties. Do you know that he is releasing a 50 Cent video game called 'Bullet Proof'? Snoop Dogg is releasing one called 'Fear and Respect', Dr. Dre is too...don't know his title though.

You guys should try writing down lyrics about your life, its expressive and a representation for freedom of speech. It feels wierd rapping about your life...

It ain't weird that was what raping was in the beginning, raping about what happened to you yesterday. Brother D, Grandmaster Flash, Kurtis Blow, The Sugarhill Gang, Eric B. & Rakim, Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force, Busy Bee, DJ Kool, Ice-T, Kid Frost, I could go on and on.

Few mainstream artist do this I only can think of Eminem, Atmosphere, The Beastie Boys, Common, The Roots, Nas, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, J5 and KRS1. Well for the underground I have not heard anything new lately the ones I heard of lately are dis records.

And for the rest of them I don't know once I hear booty, money, guns, its over for me they ain't artist but just frontin a style, Like the cash money millionaires omg all they rap about is money, ice, and their baby mamma

Hailo_hellFIRE I liked your post a lot, but do get my drift about Hip-Hop, not the music only but it's actual history and culture.

heres a link to short history of Hip-Hop it talks a little about the beginnng of Hip-hop then it talks about how the word has turned into a synonym for rap, which I hope I can change with my essay and get people to realize Hip-Hop is not rap only

Hehe, thanks for liking my post . But I can understand that you really appreciate its history and culture, I can understand that the aspect is very important.

I read the site you gave me, quite interesting that it evolved from Dub. I kinda like Raggae, I guess that evolved from Dub too, but in Jamaica.

I look forward to seeing your essay . How far will your essay go? Maybe it can go into the world wide newspaper!

World wide nah, I don't have that kind of credentials, I just plan getting it through my University hopefully it will be popular there and maybe it can be used for a new music class like "History of Hip-Hop" The only school I know having such a class is Berkley.

Thats cool .

Fat Joe told 106 & Park(I think) that it took him and the Terror Squad only 9 days to make the album 'True Story', whereas his upcoming album 'All or Nothing' took him almost a year. I might be getting that one.

Hey, what does anyone think of this song?

'The Corner' Common ft. The Last Poets and Kanye West
Link

This song made my head bop for the beat, nod for all the things he said, think and made me take a hard look at the pictures that was said in words.
My type of true Hip-Hop

Yeah I heard that track my sister downloaded it the other day. I like it it's so real you can look outside and see it, know it and be there.

I don't understand Kanye's verses though "I wish I can give this feeling", I hate to think too deep in it, but do you think he is trying to say he wants people to experience what it is to be on the "corner". I would think everybody in this world has their own corner, I could be reading into the song wrong.

I think its the feeling of what he says after that:

On the corners n****z rob or kill
And dyin' just to make a livin', huh?

I think its that feeling...or recognition of what is happening in other corners...

Nice post about your meaning of hip hop hailo.
I've always liked Gangstarr - Moment of Truth.

I have two questions for you both; who introduce you to hip hop and what age did you start liking it? Wait, hailo, you answered that..haha

I don't know as far back I can remeber I was always hearing hip-hop music. to bad it was during when gangster rap emerged, Then I started to look back in the history and started liking old-school over what is hip-hop today.

Hailo_hellFIRE I think I agree with you on what kanye is saying.

I can still answer your question DarkSinister, but I guess theres nothig more for me to say that i've already said in my post . All I can say is that I started listening to hip-hop because my cousins listened to it, and it rubbed off on me.

Super Pancake, when I took a look at the lyrics for the song, I just thought that was what Kanye was talknig about. Old-School hip-hop is cool, my cousin and his friends love it so much. Hope you don't mind me asking, but what makes Old-School the true hip-hop?

Hailo_hellFIRE

First I like to say New school is Hip-Hop I just prefer old school, New school is cool when songs like "The Corner" come along. The difference between old school and new school. On the surface you know old school was real it ain't some formulated music that is targeted to a mainstream audience. Old school had a lot of originality and individualism, while new school often sample a lot of its beats and is lyrically weak compared to old school.

Back then it was about having a voice today its more about making a hit. Today hip-hop is business first then artistic expression comes after.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I can see the difference quite a bit now, thanks for the light .

There is this modern song I sometimes catch. It has an old-school beat and its got some good lyrics. Its called 'Cool Wichu' by two artists, forgot whom. But their song was good, lyrically.

It seems like not much people are interested in hip hop...

i like Hip/Hop! I lik eto Listen to Ol School and Lot's others. why this is the "RAP" tHREAD THOUGH not hip hop are can we talk about hip / hop?

The word Hip-Hop has become a synonym for rap. So basically when you talk about hip-hop your talking about rap music. Are you talking about hip-hop culture what it used to be DJing, breakdancing, tagging, etc?

Cuz its gettin a bad image from all these posers u here on the radio!!
('Candy Rappers' is the term I coined for em lol) Ppl look at these fools on MTV and hell it makes me ashamed to be a hip-hop fan! No wonder fewer and fewer are listening to it..When my buddys come over I offer to feed them sum real quality hip-hop but they instantly wave it away as more 'gangsta crap'

They say real rap died with 2-Pac..I wont agree totally with that..but I will agree that most of rap died with him..instead of inspired youth, we're left with a legion of tatooed, bandana-wearing thug wannabes..its bad enuff that its glamorized by candy rappers like luda (tho his beats are catchy I'll give him that ) its even worse when you get the middle-class trust-fund kids at school who drive their parents car listening to whatever MTV says is gangster and dressing like poor black kids they've never seen, in a place they've never been.

Fer all you fellow Nasir fans (er anyone who wants to check him out,) taste these tracks :

Warning: Profanity

I Gave you Power - If a gun could tell a story, this is what it might say. Brilliant work pulling this one togather imo

One Mic - If you listen to any track by Nas, this should prolly be it.

Nas is Like - Just because! lol

The Message - Flows rite nice..worth a listen

American Way - One of many political tracks..ya might like it lol

..and anything from his new double-album Street's Disciple

- Dark

Yeah, thats cool

I wonder what makes everyone like this kind of 'gangsta rap', tis why 50 sold 11 mil in one week. Can anyone tell me what a rapper has to rap about to be truly hip-hop, and not 'gangsta' type of rap?

I always thought it has to come from inside, the lyrics have to match what people want to express in this world...eh?

Yeah the guys right there is alot of posers no lie but i'm a strreet gangsta but i ain't dumb i don't like to talk about the streets though because if you where here u wouldn't wantta turn the next corner fo reel!

I have to agree 2-pac went mainstream after he got of jail and was all about the money from then on.


Thats it right there you got to rap was real about you or your beliefs, Nothing more. Today you get dissed by rappers like 50 or Fat Joe for rapping anything that is not gangster or those songs about money and hoes. As to why people like ganster rap blame MTV, I think they put subliminal messages that say like gangster rap, also BET sucks gangster rap and cheesy R&B 24-7.


I love the "The Message" old school classic. NAS is cool but damn Brooklyn or any part of New York is just not feelin him, its a shame. Everyday I hear some ignorant kid, say NAS is pussy or a fake gangster etc. And Nas ain't about that, he raps about whats going on in the streets today, and you can see the changes through the years in Nas music.

man seems like rap came up agian after 50 cent started up seems like rap kinda died when Pac went buthtere is alot of rappers some people just don't know i can alot of Artists. can anyone name more than 500?
if so that's not all of them there's Underground to has any one find any new underground? because everything is old now.

Hes a fool

D12 > Esham

There's still new underground stuff....check out www.undergroundhiphop.com They post up new cds when it comes out.


D12 sucks...never liked them...never will

Oh check out Foreign Exchange...They have a soul/R&B/hip hop flavor.

What are your top 5 hip hop cd?


Top five tracks?

Well, don't have a top 5 CD's...or tracks .

I just like to listen to any rap and bump it

I wonder what makes the entire public buy 50's CD, and why a lot of the gangsters who live in the street like him...guess he's just cool?

^Actually a lot or REAL gangsters from Queens don't like him because how he acts. Since 50 claims he's a gangsta...

Is he? He did get shot 9 times...

Man, John Lennon got shot... is he gangster?

No cause he's DEAD!!!