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saladins follower
QUOTE(Mentalcase @ Nov 2 2005, 07:49 PM) [snapback]913553[/snapback]

Yo Yo Yo,
MC in da hizouse. Apparently ya'll ain't heard my flows, some have but others are misinformed of the strait pimpness that comes from being a real playa. Dig it fool. Word out!
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stick to playing bangees,and doing kumbayas w00t.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
_hAiLO_
Anyone heard of Eminem's new song, 'When i'm Gone'? That song I like original.gif

1001'd reply!! grin2.gif
Super Pancake
Yeah I heard it The guy changed a lot. I still don't respect his music after I saw one of his concerts, it happens a lot with me. Seeing a rappers concert then I lose total respect for them.

But for the first time in my life, I actually listened to rap music after months of not hearing it. His voice was very annoying maybe that's why people hate rap.
_hAiLO_
I payed attention to the lyrics more. Yeah, his voice is kinda annoying...and I really can't say what rappers do in a concert, because i've never been in one laugh.gif
Flame Thrower
Wu Tang Clan, majorly one of my favourites.

Anyone know Gravediggaz? Another favourite.

Bone Thugs-n-harmony

Dmx

Tupac

Eazy E

NWA

Warren G

I love old school rap. New stuff doesnt do it for me.

And who remembers that song, Return of the Mack? Man, that was good. yes.gif
DJLBG
***Left Eye***(so Underrated)
2pac
Salt n Pepa
Eminem
50cent
Ludacris
and many others
saladins follower
ne one saw big tiggas birthday bash on 106 and park grin2.gif lucky dude, right there
DarkSinister
Whoa haven't been on here for awhile. But the mainstream hip hop scene is pretty much whack as of lately...i really hate the state that it is in, but what can you do about it. i've gone and search for underground artists to listen to. As of now, listening to The Procussions, People Under the Stars, The Far East Movement, Styles of Beyond...check em out...i think digable planets has a new cd out...so check em out too.

Anyone hear the new BEP's song "like that"? It's pretty good, heard it awhile back but i guess it's finally getting popular? But man, my man APL needs to rip some more for black eyed peas cause he can really flow well.

oh yeah btw...whoever mention canibus...yeah he's raw....i especially like his cut "buckingham palace". haha and a real old school track for you guys to liste to... Paper boy - Ditty.

Alrite hit me up and lets get this thread rolling
Xyfer
I'm glad some people mentioned Tupac.. if you like rap then you should like his stuff.. he is a icon in the business, safe to say he started it all and brought it to a whole new level. Plus he is better then most I know and there are two many wannabe rappers out there today.
MonkeyMan
Andre Nikatina and Canibus are really good rappers.

Plus T.I. He can deliver almost as fast as twista!
strangebutsmart
I like rap,rock, and not much of metal.

I like,
Eminem
50cent
nelly
and more....
Linkin park (Linkin park is half rap half rock.)
Primer 55 (Primer 55 is Rap/Metal)
StalingradK
Going to contribute again! My list has changed, strictly rap, no R&B

-50 Cent (must die now, he is not a good rapper)
-Nas (Before he went all mainstream)
-Wu Tang Clan
-Dr. Dre
-Snoog Dogg
-Nate Dogg
-Outkast
-Black Eyed Peas (My humps is not their only song. Meh)
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Anyone hear the new BEP's song "like that"? It's pretty good, heard it awhile back but i guess it's finally getting popular? But man, my man APL needs to rip some more for black eyed peas cause he can really flow well.


I know! That's one of my favorite songs.

-Ludacris
-A Tribe Called Quest
-Biggie Smalls
-Tupac (I like his "flow" songs, not his thuggin' love style)
-Eazy-E
-Busta Rhymes (Before Anarchy)
-Jay-Z
-Slum Village
-Wyclef Jean
-Missy Elliott
-Kanye West
-Jadakiss (Just a little)
-Gorillaz (The drummer is sick at rapping, to bad it's like Alternative rock)
-NWA
-Public Enemy
-MC Hammer
-Erik
-Rakim
-Tag Team
-Naughty by Nature
-Bunch o' other people, mostly "older" school and some underground. I only like maybe, 7 present day mainstream rappers.
strangebutsmart
I like the song "BEEP" by The Pussycat Dolls.
strangebutsmart
QUOTE(strangebutsmart @ Apr 12 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]1145292[/snapback]

I like rap,rock, and not much of metal.

I like,
Eminem
50cent
nelly
and more....
Linkin park (Linkin park is half rap half rock.)
Primer 55 (Primer 55 is Rap/Metal)


There is alot more than that, the ones I'm going to say I'm sure have been said before such as...

Gorillaz
missy elliot
jay z
Kanye west
And more...........................
FLY SPITTA
QUOTE(saladins follower @ Dec 24 2005, 01:35 AM) [snapback]991039[/snapback]

ne one saw big tiggas birthday bash on 106 and park grin2.gif lucky dude, right there



That's one lucky dude right there....
Now has anyone seen his myspace grin2.gif

The chicks love him!
DarkSinister
QUOTE(2PAC4LIFE @ Apr 19 2006, 11:39 AM) [snapback]1155041[/snapback]

That's one lucky dude right there....
Now has anyone seen his myspace grin2.gif

The chicks love him!



Oh man i havent been on here for months and months. What's this myspace though?
codenamecloud
i have not posted in some time and decided to see what people be listening to. people are still liking canibus thats good. he tears LL up in "rip the jack". what about papoose. anybody listening to him. that song alphabetical slaughter is crazy. oh and another one is Big Stye. i just like how he is so angry in a few of his songs lol. he does not like very many people lol. there is some more that i cant think of right now. it is late and i have work in the morning but i will put some more good ones up soon.

oh yeah i forgot to mention how overrated 50 cent is. that guy is not a good rapper at all. i am hesitant in even calling him one. every song he comes out with is worse than the last
Kaknelson
Although, i haven't been listening to hiphop as much as i previously have lately. For i feel that there is a lack in quality albums being put out. (Busta Rhymes and Ice Cube's new ones are exceptions to that) Also, a big lack in quality political or heatfelt emcees as there once has been. Good artists, in my mind, i will pick up there albums. Too many mindless emcees, materialistic label slaves.

On a more positive note, there is much, much, much 2 many artists for me to name... Ones i like, of course, and ones i dislike. Nevertheless, i don't hate any one artist at all. Infact, im in the studio a lot of the time, and have heard the worst, and best.

So... i'll put the TOP 10:
(alive or dead still top 10)

Most ahead of their time...
...Greatest Artists and Lyricists of all time.

1)Biggie & 2pac
2)Big Punisher
3)Jay-Z & Nas
4)Snoop Dogg
5)DMX
6)Ice Cube
7)Eazy-E
8)LL Cool J
9)Big Daddy Kane & Kurtis Blow
10)Big L



There's many i couldn't sqeeze on here. Still, top 10.
Poetic Reven
Favorite artists as follows--

DMX, Slick Rick, Tupac, Big Pun, Biggie, Raekwon, Joe Budden, Method man, Redman, Scarface, Chamillionaire, Luny Tunes, Xzibit, Snoop Dogg, 50 Cent, The Game, Nate Dogg, Warren G, Lil Kim, Ice-T, Ice Cube, Freeway, Erick Sermon, N.O.R.E., Capone, Control Machete, Nas, Young Buck, Mannie Fresh, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, Ludacris, WC, Sean Paul, Memphis Bleek, Mobb Deep, Youngboodz, lil Flip, Fort Minor, Bone Thugz N' Harmony, casta de bronce ,CinkoSiete, sabotaje mexica, petate funky, kartel aztlan, mc luka, (mc) snow, crimen urbano asesinos,lirikoz, mikrophunk, diablo m.x.1, padre anderson, la otra escoria, -HpG- Hermandad en Pie de Guerra, Mexican Filez.-- and I'm forgetting a lot more.

A lot of these are underground mexican EmCees. grin2.gif


LUV RAP thumbsup.gif
Kaknelson
New Release Rap Albums I Recommend Getting!
(if you don't have them already wink2.gif)




Busta Rhymes - Big Bang

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Great Album, big beats, produced by a couple people, but mostly Dr. Dre.
This album blew my mind.
*5/5 mics.


Ice Cube - Laugh Now Cry Later

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Ice Cube skips movies and loses money, by putting out an album. A refeshing one, simply to please his fans and the hiphop game. The game is in dire need of real and political emcees like cube right now. This album was gladly produced by all the hottest producers in the game.
*5/5 mics


DMX - Year of the Dog

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Swiss beats and DMX hook up again, and X is hungry for more. He poors his heart and soul out on this album, a great suprise for me. Reminds me of his first album.
*5/5 mics.
Super Pancake
March 1, 2007, 9:13AM
New Rap Problem: Criticism From Within

By NEKESA MUMBI MOODY AP Music Writer
© 2007 The Associated Press

NEW YORK — Maybe it was the umpteenth coke-dealing anthem or soft-porn music video. Perhaps it was the preening antics that some call reminiscent of Stepin Fetchit.

The turning point is hard to pinpoint. But after 30 years of growing popularity, rap music is now struggling with an alarming sales decline and growing criticism from within about the culture's negative effect on society.

Rap insider Chuck Creekmur, who runs the leading Web site Allhiphop.com, says he got a message from a friend recently "asking me to hook her up with some Red Hot Chili Peppers because she said she's through with rap. A lot of people are sick of rap ... the negativity is just over the top now."

The rapper Nas, considered one of the greats, challenged the condition of the art form when he titled his latest album "Hip-Hop is Dead." It's at least ailing, according to recent statistics: Though music sales are down overall, rap sales slid a whopping 21 percent from 2005 to 2006, and for the first time in 12 years no rap album was among the top 10 sellers of the year. A recent study by the Black Youth Project showed a majority of youth think rap has too many violent images. In a poll of black Americans by The Associated Press and AOL-Black Voices last year, 50 percent of respondents said hip-hop was a negative force in American society.

Nicole Duncan-Smith grew up on rap, worked in the rap industry for years and is married to a hip-hop producer. She still listens to rap, but says it no longer speaks to or for her. She wrote the children's book "I Am Hip-Hop" partly to create something positive about rap for young children, including her 4-year-old daughter.

"I'm not removed from it, but I can't really tell the difference between Young Jeezy and Yung Joc. It's the same dumb stuff to me," says Duncan-Smith, 33. "I can't listen to that nonsense ... I can't listen to another black man talk about you don't come to the 'hood anymore and ghetto revivals ... I'm from the 'hood. How can you tell me you want to revive it? How about you want to change it? Rejuvenate it?"

Hip-hop also seems to be increasingly blamed for a variety of social ills. Studies have attempted to link it to everything from teen drug use to increased sexual activity among young girls.

Even the mayhem that broke out in Las Vegas during last week's NBA All-Star Game was blamed on hip-hoppers. "(NBA Commissioner) David Stern seriously needs to consider moving the event out of the country for the next couple of years in hopes that young, hip-hop hoodlums would find another event to terrorize," columnist Jason Whitlock, who is black, wrote on AOL.

While rap has been in essence pop music for years, and most rap consumers are white, some worry that the black community is suffering from hip-hop _ from the way America perceives blacks to the attitudes and images being adopted by black youth.

But the rapper David Banner derides the growing criticism as blacks joining America's attack on young black men who are only reflecting the crushing problems within their communities. Besides, he says, that's the kind of music America wants to hear.

"Look at the music that gets us popular _ 'Like a Pimp,'," says Banner, naming his hit.

"What makes it so difficult is to know that we need to be doing other things. But the truth is at least us talking about what we're talking about, we can bring certain things to the light," he says. "They want (black artists) to shuck and jive, but they don't want us to tell the real story because they're connected to it."

Criticism of hip-hop is certainly nothing new _ it's as much a part of the culture as the beats and rhymes. Among the early accusations were that rap wasn't true music, its lyrics were too raw, its street message too polarizing. But they rarely came from the youthful audience itself, which was enraptured with genre that defined them as none other could.

"As people within the hip-hop generation get older, I think the criticism is increasing," says author Bakari Kitwana, who is currently part of a lecture tour titled "Does Hip-Hop Hate Women?"

"There was a more of a tendency when we were younger to be more defensive of it," he adds.

During her '90s crusade against rap's habit of degrading women, the late black activist C. Dolores Tucker certainly had few allies within the hip-hop community, or even among young black women. Backed by folks like conservative Republican William Bennett, Tucker was vilified within rap circles.

In retrospect, "many of us weren't listening," says Tracy Denean Sharpley-Whiting, a professor at Vanderbilt University and author of the new book "Pimps Up, Ho's Down: Hip-Hop's Hold On Young Black Women."

"She was onto something, but most of us said, 'They're not calling me a b****, they're not talking about me, they're talking about THOSE women.' But then it became clear that, you know what? Those women can be any women."

One rap fan, Bryan Hunt, made the searing documentary "Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes," which debuted on PBS this month. Hunt addresses the biggest criticisms of rap, from its treatment of women to the glorification of the gangsta lifestyle that has become the default posture for many of today's most popular rappers.

"I love hip-hop," Hunt, 36, says in the documentary. "I sometimes feel bad for criticizing hip-hop, but I want to get us men to take a look at ourselves."

Even dances that may seem innocuous are not above the fray. Last summer, as the "Chicken Noodle Soup" song and accompanying dance became a sensation, Baltimore Sun pop critic Rashod D. Ollison mused that the dance _ demonstrated in the video by young people stomping wildly from side to side _ was part of the growing minstrelization of rap music.

"The music, dances and images in the video are clearly reminiscent of the era when pop culture reduced blacks to caricatures: lazy 'coons,' grinning 'pickaninnies,' sexually super-charged 'bucks,'" he wrote.

And then there's the criminal aspect that has long been a part of rap. In the '70s, groups may have rapped about drug dealing and street violence, but rap stars weren't the embodiment of criminals themselves. Today, the most popular and successful rappers boast about who has murdered more foes and rhyme about dealing drugs as breezily as other artists sing about love.

Creekmur says music labels have overfed the public on gangsta rap, obscuring artists who represent more positive and varied aspects of black life, like Talib Kweli, Common and Lupe Fiasco.

"It boils down to a complete lack of balance, and whenever there's a complete lack of balance people are going to reject it, whether it's positive or negative," Creekmur says.

Yet Banner says there's a reason why acts like KRS-One and Public Enemy don't sell anymore. He recalled that even his own fans rebuffed positive songs he made _ like "Cadillac on 22s," about staying away from street life _ in favor of songs like "Like a Pimp."

"The American public had an opportunity to pick what they wanted from David Banner," he says. "I wish America would just be honest. America is sick. ... America loves violence and sex."

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hopefully the industry will turn around all mainstream rap for the last 2-3 years were a whole bunch of singles and anthems of course we were not going to buy an album with one good song and filled with crap.
Kaknelson
^

I think this guy forgot to read the subtitle of this thread.
Super Pancake
I've posted my love and my rhymes in this thread longer then you've been a member here! Don't think of it as a knock on rap music read the article its criticizing the current state of rap music in hopes to make it better. I don't think anybody can say with a straight face they like the most of the current stuff released in the past few years. Why do you think this thread has died a little cause of crap releases and silly beef between artist even producers are beefing its like rap is becoming the WWE one hit wonders, gimmicks and huge egos going at each other.
Kaknelson
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Mar 5 2007, 06:33 PM) [snapback]1569505[/snapback]
I've posted my love and my rhymes in this thread longer then you've been a member here! Don't think of it as a knock on rap music read the article its criticizing the current state of rap music in hopes to make it better. I don't think anybody can say with a straight face they like the most of the current stuff released in the past few years. Why do you think this thread has died a little cause of crap releases and silly beef between artist even producers are beefing its like rap is becoming the WWE one hit wonders, gimmicks and huge egos going at each other.


Great.

Nevertheless, you speak as if you represent the whole, "rap for the last 2-3 years were a whole bunch of singles and anthems of course we were not going to buy an album with one good song and filled with crap."

That's your opinion, HIP HOP IS NOT DEAD. It was a scare by Nas to get people to wake up. Don't try to impose a message saying that it is either, everything happens for a reason, everything. That includes ryhmes leaning a certain direction and it going mainstream. Whatever its status maybe, no need to discredit its progress. This music from the street is Godlike, making people love and embrace cultures and peoples from other walks of life, that they would probably never otherwise consider. Hip Hop brings cultures together, no race, just human race, if your real you're real right? It can be labeled as waterdown and mainstream... well everything is, look around man... everythings turning Hollywood. You may find it lame, so do I, but that's the way it is. If you love hip hop then then embrace its positive qualities and leave the articles to yourself.

"Don't believe everything you read, hennesy and weed" - 2pac

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Super Pancake
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 7 2007, 05:17 AM) [snapback]1571453[/snapback]
Nevertheless, you speak as if you represent the whole, "rap for the last 2-3 years were a whole bunch of singles and anthems of course we were not going to buy an album with one good song and filled with crap."

Sorry for the generalized post but then again a drop in sales in the mainstream market is still convincing enough for me to bluntly say it. I know mainstream only represents like was 2-10% of all rap music but it’s undeniable that the image of hip-hop is the mainstream market and it’s this side of hip-hop that gets the attention of the world.

QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 7 2007, 05:17 AM) [snapback]1571453[/snapback]
That's your opinion, HIP HOP IS NOT DEAD. It was a scare by Nas to get people to wake up. Don't try to impose a message saying that it is either, everything happens for a reason, everything. That includes ryhmes leaning a certain direction and it going mainstream. Whatever its status maybe, no need to discredit its progress.

Yeah maybe that was Nas message with the album was to tell other rappers to step up there game, but progress seriously! Mainstream has gotten more shallow and the underground still has not caught production wise (I'm not saying underground music suck in fact most of my collection is underground I highly respect the art form more in the underground scene I'm saying the production value is still weak in comparison to the mainstream)


QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 7 2007, 05:17 AM) [snapback]1571453[/snapback]
This music from the street is Godlike, making people love and embrace cultures and peoples from other walks of life, that they would probably never otherwise consider. Hip Hop brings cultures together, no race, just human race, if your real you're real right? It can be labeled as waterdown and mainstream...

Yeah I know hip-hop is a world wide culture I've posted the same exact words before in this thread before I even talked about rappers from other countries I listen too from France, Japan, Sweden, Britain, South Africa and the Middle East.

But for an art form that claims to embrace all cultures and people from all walks of life. It is still largely male dominated, homophobic, at times degrading to women, and often not so welcoming to other Non-Black, Non-Latino rappers.

And I disagree with the mainstream comment you can definitely point out what is mainstream and what is underground, artist and fans themselves even categorize what is what in rap music.

QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 7 2007, 05:17 AM) [snapback]1571453[/snapback]
well everything is, look around man... everythings turning Hollywood. You may find it lame, so do I, but that's the way it is. If you love hip hop then then embrace its positive qualities and leave the articles to yourself.


I don’t think that really is the problem, I don’t mind Hollywood at all I listen to mainstream just as much as everybody else. The culture needs a Hollywood appeal for exposure and expansion. What’s being portrayed and put out there I don’t like. You say embrace everything positive but it isn’t being positive more negative in my opinion.

And what’s wrong sharing an article we can’t discuss hip-hop related material here anymore this is not the first article on hip-hop I posted in this thread!



Kaknelson
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Mar 7 2007, 06:41 PM) [snapback]1572615[/snapback]
Sorry for the generalized post but then again a drop in sales in the mainstream market is still convincing enough for me to bluntly say it. I know mainstream only represents like was 2-10% of all rap music but it’s undeniable that the image of hip-hop is the mainstream market and it’s this side of hip-hop that gets the attention of the world.
Yeah maybe that was Nas message with the album was to tell other rappers to step up there game, but progress seriously! Mainstream has gotten more shallow and the underground still has not caught production wise (I'm not saying underground music suck in fact most of my collection is underground I highly respect the art form more in the underground scene I'm saying the production value is still weak in comparison to the mainstream)
Yeah I know hip-hop is a world wide culture I've posted the same exact words before in this thread before I even talked about rappers from other countries I listen too from France, Japan, Sweden, Britain, South Africa and the Middle East.

But for an art form that claims to embrace all cultures and people from all walks of life. It is still largely male dominated, homophobic, at times degrading to women, and often not so welcoming to other Non-Black, Non-Latino rappers.

And I disagree with the mainstream comment you can definitely point out what is mainstream and what is underground, artist and fans themselves even categorize what is what in rap music.
I don’t think that really is the problem, I don’t mind Hollywood at all I listen to mainstream just as much as everybody else. The culture needs a Hollywood appeal for exposure and expansion. What’s being portrayed and put out there I don’t like. You say embrace everything positive but it isn’t being positive more negative in my opinion.

And what’s wrong sharing an article we can’t discuss hip-hop related material here anymore this is not the first article on hip-hop I posted in this thread!


Ok then, let's discuss it.

Every genre of music has its downsides, not all artists use the same formula to sell music.

I say that to say this. The the majority, dragging in politricks for a discussion and critisism will point to many things within, things that are politrickaly incorrect. Such as homophobia as you say, being wrong or discredited. I don't think it's wrong to say such things at all, speaking from your heart. It's damn normal to feel that way in these times. Male dominated? I don't think so. Non-welcoming to other peoples? Hardly, give an instance please. You just pointed out countries of other nations and creeds youself, don't be hypocritical. Every true artist raps or sings about what he/she knows. Hip hop is a 4 element music right? DJ'ing, Emcee's, Dancing and Graffiti. The crack slanging, female romp shaking, money throwing Hip hop you are discussing is what people like YOU want to see. YOU said you like hollywood, yes? I sure don't, worshipping idols and celebs and money. But that is what they want, so, that's what they get. It's what YOU want to see. Conscious hip hop is still accessible, but hollywood forces a certain image and a stardard which to reach.

The scare by Nas was pointed at artists like: Young Jeezy, Rick Ross, Rich Boy etc etc.
Those newcommers, representing the southern US mostly. Which is good because the East had it's time, the West will always have it's time, but right now the spotlight is on the south. The south's time was overdue and is getting it's respect, they had it hard down there. This music in the media is generally about pimpin', money, cars, clothes and whatnot... This is what Hollywood and mainstream wants, therefore it's what it gets. But don't think it will last forever, the next place to get it's respect is where hip hop got it's sound from, Jamaica.

Super Pancake
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 7 2007, 11:02 PM) [snapback]1572713[/snapback]
Every genre of music has its downsides, not all artists use the same formula to sell music.

Yeah already know this, I remember a discussion in this thread about the same old formula used by Jay-Z that get people mesmerized by his stuff.

QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 7 2007, 11:02 PM) [snapback]1572713[/snapback]
The the majority, dragging in politricks for a discussion and critisism will point to many things within, things that are politrickaly incorrect. Such as homophobia as you say, being wrong or discredited. I don't think it's wrong to say such things at all, speaking from your heart. It's damn normal to feel that way in these times. Male dominated? I don't think so. Non-welcoming to other peoples? Hardly, give an instance please. You just pointed out countries of other nations and creeds youself, don't be hypocritical.

politricks! OK, you know funny words but its hardly necessary for this discussion.

Look I only said hip-hop is a world culture because it exist everywhere you can go to Latin America they could not tell you who is Beethoven or the #1 country singer in America, but they could name you lists of rappers. They will show there break-dances, there graffiti, there mc skills and there own DJ style.

But here is the reality if Snoop Dogg goes to Japan for a concert everybody will show there love for his art peers and fans alike will show up listen and give respect, even the most obscure underground rapper nobody heard of in the states can go to Japan they will show their love for his work. Now if Shingo2 (in my opinion the best rapper from Japan) came here to the states the birth place of hip-hop and rap nobody would show any love, not even from fellow rappers.

Japan gets criticized for copying music from the U.S. when I mentioned Shingo2 to some of my biggest hip-hop head friends of mine (mind you these guys are deep into underground and old school and some of todays stuff) they all said who, where is he from, what he sounds like. I told them he is from Japan. They brushed him off saying he raps in Japanese we cant understand him I told them he also raps in English they still did not care. Guess what Shingo2 still isn't recognized even in the underground for what he does in the U.S., but in Japan, Europe, he is respected.

Mc Solaar a French rapper few people know him in the states and if you knew the French language this guy would have been the next Tupac(2pac before he went to jail)/public enemy/KRS1 type. Hardly any mention of him in the states.

Looptroop a group from Sweden lyrically talented group despite there success no love in the states.

That's an example from an international perspective U.S. rappers mainstream or underground getting all the love for what they do anywhere they go, but the love is not returned when rappers from other nations come here to do what they do.

Lets talk domestically lets talk about white rappers in the U.S. who love to mc. Lets face it there is no love for any of them even Eminem who has made it to the mainstream is not even respected fully by other mainstream artist themselves. Atmosphere who is 100 times better then Eminem is not respected by anyone. Kid Rock ahead of his time is respected but he could never make a come back now. The Beastie Boys respected but there not fully loved. Paul Wall I dont really like his stuff is one of the few white rappers to get love and I'm not even sure about that it could be he is just the flavor of the week and rappers and labels are just milking him for what he got.

Jin and promising American Chinese rapper signed by Ruff Ryder never got any love everybody said he was a gimmick using his Chinese ancestry to rap well news flash he is Chinese. Why didn't the other Ruff Ryder artist show love and help him out the dude. People kept knocking on his Chinese Heritage so bad he quit Ruff Ryder and did his own thing.

Now on homophobia if rap is going to uphold an image of accepting all walks of life then homophobia and derogatory terms should not be accepted. Have you scene that one interview with Kanye West calling out to other rappers to not discriminate against gays. You know what peoples reaction were...... "Kanye West is gay." Yes people were saying Kanye West is gay because he supported acceptance of gays in hip-hop. Its unacceptable hip-hop was created on the foundation of freedom of expression, recognition and acceptance of the urban and all youth from all over that had no voice to call there own.

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I don't think it's wrong to say such things at all, speaking from your heart. It's damn normal to feel that way in these times.

This is disturbing do you actually believe this because derogatory and hateful messages are not speaking from the heart this is speaking out of ignorance. I guess if KKK or similar groups of hate started spewing there hateful message through rap and hip-hop it would be completely fine by you.

And yes hip-hop is mostly male dominated, female rappers got to work 100 times harder to get anywhere in hip-hop. And often the few female rappers that do make it underground or mainstream sell there rhymes as sex objects, few of them have any voice beyond the topic of sex. One time I was at an underground party a girl stepped up to the mic I guess she was like 16 around that age, guess what happened! She started rapping about her childhood, she had a good flow, not much tricky rhyme play pretty standard stuff she must have been a beginner, in the middle of her rap all the guys started chanting take it off, take it off, take it off. When she did not and continued and finished her rhyme she was booed.

QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 7 2007, 11:02 PM) [snapback]1572713[/snapback]
The crack slanging, female romp shaking, money throwing Hip hop you are discussing is what people like YOU want to see. YOU said you like hollywood, yes? I sure don't, worshipping idols and celebs and money. But that is what they want, so, that's what they get. It's what YOU want to see. Conscious hip hop is still accessible, but hollywood forces a certain image and a stardard which to reach.

Don't put words in my mouth, I wrote I like Hollywood because it can appeal people (marketing), and in return expand the market (more hip-hop fans). And if you note I said I don't like whats being put out there and view it as a negative not a positive as you kept telling me to look for. So clearly I don't like the shallow stuff and if you just look at my post history in this thread you will see I always talk about conscious rappers, underground stuff and rappers that just rap about regular life like a train ride they had. I even convinced some people in this thread to listen to more conscious rap and look for underground stuff. And its quite the misconception saying conscious rap is not out there in the mainstream plenty conscious rap is put out there and plenty of rap that isn't about ice, hoes, cars/spinners and money but about everyday regular life.

QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 7 2007, 11:02 PM) [snapback]1572713[/snapback]
The scare by Nas was pointed at artists like: Young Jeezy, Rick Ross, Rich Boy etc etc.
Those newcommers, representing the southern US mostly. Which is good because the East had it's time, the West will always have it's time, but right now the spotlight is on the south. The south's time was overdue and is getting it's respect, they had it hard down there. This music in the media is generally about pimpin', money, cars, clothes and whatnot... This is what Hollywood and mainstream wants, therefore it's what it gets. But don't think it will last forever, the next place to get it's respect is where hip hop got it's sound from, Jamaica.

Point taken.

Why do you think Jamaica will be next? Its already hard for rappers from other nations to even be recognized. Whats the rap scene in Jamaica like I only know one rapper from Jamaica and one of my favorites too Canibus.

edit: Fixed grammar and edited some of the examples I made.
Super Pancake
Its the anniversary of biggies death today shame he was killed even though his music was not my thing (he was about money, girls, drugs, and killing) he had one of the best flows and best lyrical arrangements. RIP Big!

my favorite stuff he put out there

1) I Got A Story To Tell
2) Suicidal Thoughts
3) Juicy
4) Everyday Struggle
5) Warning
6) Ten Crack Commandments
7) **** You Tonight
8) Let's Ride
9) One More Chance (Remix)
10) Gimme The Loot
Kaknelson
Greetings! Sorry brotherman, Im at grandmas and I don't have time to answer all that stuff right now...

But I will ASAP...

I celebrated all day on Biggies Death Annv ... I'll post stuff later....

no fuss no fight. A bredrin of mine new video, CHECK IT , BIG UP RED1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaZ4o2FS1ws
Super Pancake
thats a good vid, RED1 just check out his myspace page cool stuff.
Mentalcase
Ok peoples if ya like rap and wanna hear MINE, click on my sig!!! I will have new songs up VERY SOON! We are getting signed. Arbiter22 has heard all of my songs and he has helped with producing alot fo my beats. So please comment on them!! Peace out!


MC
Super Pancake
Edit: This is my opinion I am not a rapper or producer or claiming I know how hip-hop should sound or be with 100% accuracy, I have very little musical talent. However being a fan of rap music almost all my life I think I can fairly judge and give advice.

Well I'm glad you’re into hip-hop, but I only liked "Visualize" and "All I Can Be" they were the only songs in my opinion where the beats, flow and lyrics went well together somewhat. The other songs the flow where just off or just weak all around.

"Not Givin' A F***" well if that’s the title of the song don't judge a book by its cover it straight up that song is weak. I was expecting some hardcore beats and lyrics. You should come harder and on a rougher beat. I like the intro and the kick in to the rock/rap beat and since it got a rock feel to it maybe a more heavy metal feel might be better, think of the song Bring Tha Noize maybe you might get some inspiration on how it can come together. The guy who laid out the second rhyme needs to step up he did not sound like a guy who just did not give a f*** and when the beat switched up he did not change his flow to match the beat he kept the same flow very amateurish. And WTF at the very end was that gibberish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GnYXu3Wq3w Bring Tha Noize if you never heard of it! I'm not saying to copy off the song but hear it to get a feel of how Heavy Metal and Rap can go together and if your going to go with a I don’t give a F*** attitude the beat the rhymes and the flow are going to have to come 10X harder then Bring Tha Noise 9since it was not that f*** you type of song) and a 100X harder then that track you put out.

"All I Can Be" was good beat, and the first rhyme had a good flow and good lyrics, but the second rapper needs work its like he downgraded the flow. Whoever that guy is he needs work on his flow.

"2007 A Space Oddysey" I think its spelled Odyssey. The worst song change the beat it does not sound like a beat from outer space the use of the trumpet made it sound more like a march band anthem check out Deltron 3030 - Positive Contact and if you can get the album Deltron 3030 just to hear the beats, that sounds like beats from outer space. The beat to your song was just generic marching band beat and made even worse with flow, a sound from outer space has to sound different something weird actually out of this world almost cartoon like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCXwl7XBiQ Deltron 3030 - Positive Contact listen to it and if you can get the album its great and you might even get inspiration from it on how Aliens from outer space might sound like.

http://www.amazon.com/Deltron-3030/dp/B00004YYXL listen to some sample download it off bittorrent just get it to listen to what it really takes to make a good songs and innovative songs.

Visualize was decent beat; flow, and lyrics are o.k.

Overall I like two songs but you guys are a rap duo right! You both need work the first rapper was excellent in all his rhymes and flow but the second rapper seemed to downgrade everything. It’s like both of you are rapping different songs.

In a duo rap group the rappers have to be on the same level and in sync of course your not supposed to sound alike but you both need to complement each other. “All I Can Be” was very good it could of been one of your best songs. It’s the second guy that kind of ruined it, the first rapper laid out a good flow, but the second rapper just did not keep it up. The second guy is supposed to 1. Keep up the flow or 2. Elevate the flow for the first rapper to come back and elevate it also. In duo rap groups or songs you either complement each other or try to out do each other. Listen to some duo/trio/etc groups or collaboration songs. There is also an exception the second mc could be there for support like Nat Dogg he does the chorus or harmonize on a track just to give the song that lift it needs.

Some good examples edit: damn I posted a lot of links and I want to post more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLArzYEsDRU Kool G Rap ft. Nas – Fastlife a rare track not many people heard this. A good example of complementary and both rappers try to out do eachother by elevating their flow and lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nAzQLIQVw Luniz - I Got 5 On It. Whack video but complimentary and support.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yDxTiVAzv1U Lordz of Brooklyn Saturday Night Fever. The rappers complement each other keeping a good flow through out the track.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GDS83yrM30Y Beastie Boys Intergalactic O.K this is a trio but it’s an example of complementary rap, and support.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6fBY6R5Hto&...BC8&index=0 Twinz, “Eastside LB” good flow and complementary rap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV2m36ACzxk Channel Live - Mad Izm (Feat. KRS-One) an example of rappers trying to out doing each other Krs one starts it up then Channel Live elevates the flow then Krs One comes back stepping up the flow and rhyme, then Channel returns stepping up his piece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms4Iw0u4Mog Fugges a trio complementary, support and Wyclef and Pras going at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5OYQ5Rev84 And no duo discussion can’t be without mentioning Mobb Deep “Shook Ones Pt. 2.” Complementary, support

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDfToFcJ2J4 Wu Tang C.R.E.A.M complementary, support, and out doing each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8inztO0Xx8 Method Man - Bring The Pain an example of support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF62gPPjL-c Wu Tang - Triumph lol everybody outdoing each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YasjfkbPOpE A Tribe Called Quest – Scenario. Complementary and Support
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m083ydFjOds A Tribe Called Quest - Find A Way. Complimentary and Support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFbLRZCExBk Lords of the Underground - Chief Rocka complementary, and support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnRS-3AyGUs Geto Boys-My Mind Playing Tricks On Me. Complimentary and there out doing eachother.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ud-CTiJh9V4 The Pharcyde - Passin Me By. Complementary.

http://www.noolmusic.com/blogs/YouTube_Hip...ic_Checka.shtml Das Efx Mic Checka Complementary and support.

You guys need to evaluate your musical interest because both rappers are not clicking together.
Mentalcase
Yeah, I'm the first rapper on those songs. I made that Visualise beat with a MIDI program, lol. Thanks for your opinion. I appreciate it highly! I've gotten plenty of mixed reviews about each song and my newest songs (which I havent released yet). I hate to say it but, I agree with you about the second rapper thing. It's kinda been an on-going problem with me. Trying to work around it. LOL Most rappers I find, really suck. Either they are trying to be too gangsta or are just plain weak. I've been rhyming for 16 years now, I don't write BS. I write about my life's experiences, etc. That's what hip hop is about. Alot fo people can't get passed the "trying to be cool" part. The space oddysey song started out as a freestyle anyway one day and we just went with it in the studio afterwards. It was just for fun basically. As it all is.

So, thanks dude!! Glad you liked some of it.


MC
Super Pancake
16 years, woah! I've barely been living a life that long.

Obviously you have a lot of experience and it shows in your flow and lyrics, maybe the other rapper should step back and play supporter like do the chorus and/or rhyme the back ground vocals until he can find himself. And if its still not working out maybe pick up one of the rappers you say suck a young guy but has a good flow on any beat thrown at him/her and understands lyrical arrangement. Put him or her under your wing and hopefully grow to the direction you want in your music at.
FLY SPITTA
Haven't Been At The Forum in a while What's new with the Rap thread last time i was here not much people were into it haha!

Anyone got that new NAS album "Hip Hop Is Dead" ?

If so what did you guys think about it?
Super Pancake
Yeah its cool but I don't think its up there as one of his best, better then Kingdom Come but thats not saying much. And yeah I'm one of those Illmatic has to be the standard type Nas fan.

My fav track is You Can't Kill Me, Carry On Tradition, Still Dreaming, Hold Down The Block, Blunt Ashes, and Hope, the rest are o.k. and the worse has to be that one song with The Game.
secondhand
I think rap has gone off the boil, really. I prefer the old-skool, you know when rap was cool. MC Hammer, Kris Kross, Vanilla Ice, that sort of thing. Now I mostly listen to heavy metal, like Phil Collins and REO Speedwagon.
Kaknelson
Why will it goto Jamaica? Because the roots of it, it's only natural. To progress forward you have to do your history, not you pancake, just a saying. DJ cool herc brought fourth "hiphop" to NY from Kingston in the 70's. There is more Dancehall/Raggamuffin artists fusing with Rap lately than ever. Biggie * Greatest Emcee of all time * and other artists following had that Jamaican flow, slow flow, which is what is quite popular and dominates.

Anyways. Let's share some video's.

HERES A THROWBACK!

TRUE HIPHOP.

Lost Boyz - Renee
click above
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Super Pancake
classic vid right there

out of nowhere I just decide i wanted to hear these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d12EI3xNiqE Cypress Hill - How I Could Just Kill A Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L10jqFJb7v0 Rage Against The Machine and Cypress Hill version of "How I Could Just Kill A Man"
Kaknelson
oo

Nice additions.

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Checking the brain playlist, how about this classic...

GOTTA CRANK THIS ONE!

Biggie - Warning
Super Pancake
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Rakim may sign with G-Unit, if it happens that will hurt it will hurt real bad. http://www.streethop.com/forum/article173609.html


Rakim tracks and video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ggLNzyvnoAw Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q8juwkggUwI RAKIM - I KNOW YOU GOT SOUL

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h3MzfxFfPUU RAKIM - MY MELODY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oracJP6kIWY Eric B & Rakim - MICROPHONE FIEND

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k1jJVkjNvOM RAKIM - NEW YORK

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XXmqbncLVMk RAKIM - THE PUNISHER

http://youtube.com/watch?v=teUKi3wvlTU Classic (Nike Remix)- Nas, Kanye, Rakim, KRS-One

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MO2tCBteW7U Eric B and Rakim - I Ain't No Joke

http://youtube.com/watch?v=L3DWmoOBohk RAKIM - STAY AWHILE
Mentalcase
I agree, Rakim doesn't need that BS publicity. Most people are just starting to hear about him, which is funny. He basically wrote the game. He should stay away from G-Unit type crap. Maybe do some collabos but, that's it. You know what I mean?



MC
Super Pancake
Yeah I know what you mean man! And look what happened to Mobb Deep that should already be a warning not to sign with G-Unit.
Clocker
Oh no...don't do it Ra! I didn't even know that Rakim might sign with G-Unot. They still haven't released an M.O.P album, Ra may very well end up the same. Though even if he does sign with G-Unit, I won't give up hope...it's about the music, not the label.
Super Pancake
I know Rakim will always be the man, but still you know how fifty is he will probably have Rakim help him do some diss album or some crappy collaboration. fifty Cent is the worst thing Dr. Dre has ever done.
Mentalcase
AGREED! And they are still frontin that punk SOB. I hate 50 with a passion. I wouldn't do a collabo with him if I were paid to. Well wait, I guess it would depend how much. LOL I'd rather jam out with Rakim. hehe

Peace
FLY SPITTA
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Mar 30 2007, 04:56 AM) [snapback]1605977[/snapback]
I know Rakim will always be the man, but still you know how fifty is he will probably have Rakim help him do some diss album or some crappy collaboration. fifty Cent is the worst thing Dr. Dre has ever done.




Well 50's First album I say was very good no doubt! But ever since then and he became rich I say the money went to his head. Songs personality seems to have changed...
Mentalcase
Hey guys, I put up 3 more new songs!!!!!!!! Click my sig to listen to them!! They are fire compared to the other ones!!
Super Pancake
A huge improvement good stuff.
Mentalcase
Thanks dogness!
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