you n****s is chicmates,
I'm quick with my fist like a switch blade,
get brave you get a clip in yo rib cage,
that's what'll happen when you act dumb,
scilencers on the gat sound like im clipping a cap gun,
I'm from where they dump heat,
dudes that want beef get smacked with tha 2 remove all a they front teeth
man...once the semi auto shoot u take more shots than a photo shoot, camera
get hit with tha hammer, put tha toats to ya head youd have a stroke like fred sanford
it aint difficult, the pistol will cripple you,
cuz it clap and push yo head back like mystikals
yo ..where my burners at,
one chrome and one burner black like bernie mac
and i'll body him.... and his female
i'll put a shell in her head like a bobble pen
yeah...and it's sweet to get a freek on my nuts
i got tha smile with the crocodile seats in tha truck
i heard yo album ain't get no where
what happened..i'm going platinum like sisqo hair



these dudes wish I was I dead man yup
cuz I hold weight like tryin to lift a dead man up
but when I pull it and go off
a bullet will blow off....ery thing from yo headband up
I'm official with tha pistol and tha clip
introduce you to nina let it kiss you on the lips
I cop back and pop that
murder you convertible style..push yo top back

that chit chat fam, get you backhand,
I rap man, but I clap to the gat jam,
and I'm a gat man, put tha map with tha earholes
to yo earlobes, leave you stiff like scare crows,
you cant hate cass, I make cash and I take cash,
ya'll need to take baths,I got a crook mouth
so understand that even if I backtrack i'm a snap back like rubberbands,
man cass is a threat to dudes, smell these rocks that i'm cooking..they ain't wrestling moves,
and I like my hashbrows like breakfast food, you like maybe..but I'm a definate dude,
crazy reckless dude on some hood street sh**, so dont abandon yo whip and leave it on tha block
cuz we steal cars and hold our own auctions on the block
and if yo watch nice. a canon in your ribs, I make you strip nekkid like deangelo did
I swear that if I ever hold a gun to you brother,
its to rob you or kill you one or the other.
you could get stuck up if yo wach got ice,
you could go bankrupt if yo rocks not white,
if you shot not nice, you might miss me,
man...i'm a serial killer i'll pop like rice crispies"

C A double S S I D Y, all freestyles, str8 fiya

Gotta get leery at that Gangsta Rap .

Any real Hip-Hop freestylers out there? I know Freestyle Rap is a part of hip-hop(am I correct?), but I don't think you need to combine gangsta rap in it...

hyuugaNeji well good freestyle but one troubling thing about it is that I don't believe you, I wonder if your really this gangster your portraying yourself to be. you got some strong words for a freestyle and you know how the deal is in hip-hop are you real or just a poser. If you are a real gangster and want to pursue gangster rap more power to you, if your not come on rap about whats real about yourself hip-hop is about keeping it real, representing who you are.

Thanks for the reply DarkSinister and Hailo_hellFIRE



Man! You guys are not alone only a few of my confidents understood what represent mean. Well if i could break down hip-hop to one word it would be Represent since many artist of hip-hop culture represent who they are, where they at, and where they from. And it got to be real and "fresh".

oh.. those aren't my freestyles. those are cassidy's freeestyles.

Sorry man. I heard of cassidy supposedly a good underground rapper gone mainstream. He does not come off as a gangster rapper, from what I heard about him.

Lot of people like gangsta rap. Look how many copies of 50 cents new cd have sold. It is an awesome cd no matter what its content is.

Yeah 50Cent's new album is good only thing is that it's fake! He talks about doing this and doing that. He's fake he's not a gangsta! All he did was sell drugs! How does that make you a gangsta?

Well all rappers are not gangsters in the traditional sense of the word but gangster is used as an exaggerated term for criminal, basically I'm a gangster sounds better then I'm a drug dealer. ALL gangster rappers are inspired by Tony Montana and the God Father movies, real bad asses that run ****. It's kind of sad that these Gangster rappers are inspired by them when there nothing like the mafia.


"Matisyahu" has any of you heard this guy he is a reggae artist (I did not want to start a new thread for reggae i don't think any body in U.M. would like it as much as I do). The funny thing about him he is a jew! He calls himself the "Hasidic Reggae Superstar." Anyway he is the best reggae artist I ever heard after i downloaded some of his songs. It seems left field but I never heard so much flow and inspiration lyrics like his in my life., even better then Bob Marly. check out his site Matisyahu: the Hasidic Reggae Superstar.

And made props to Euro and Japanese Artist check out this web site culture universal it got info on some good international emcee's.

Also if you guys can find this song "a day like no other" a freestyle by these cats Murs, EL-P, Shingo2, and Yeshua. It's kind of slow at first but Shingo2 got a wicked freestyle on that one. I don't know how your going to find the song legally on the net could not find a good site but I got it via p2p. oh yeah speaking of Japanese mc's Shingo2 is Japanese at one point inthe freestyle he raps in Japanese which flows well but I don't know what is he talking about.

Reminds me of Apl from BEP, he's pretty tight.. There's some other asian rappers that are whack like uhh what's his name....Chuckie Atkens..haha! Whack as hell, but i guess there are some that are pretty good too.


Super Pancake, thanks for the heads up with the reggae artist, i'll go check him out. I've always thought Bob Marley is the best, but maybe I need to listen to more reggae.

Jins an Asian Rapper, though not born in China...out of so many things, a Chinese man not made in China!

I've listened to Regae before, I like 'Beanie Man' and 'Elephant Man'. They've gone mainstream before, I guess thats why i've heard of them. But thats why I appreciate Reggae more. I look forward to hearing them again.

And I agree with what you guys say about 50. Besides, the all wise wouldn't be expected to escalate beef(ex: Piggy Bank). And the all truest wouldn't say things and don't do em...

I guess why people like 50 is because of his beats, his attitude, his body figure, his 'G-Unit' supposedly a gang, his clothing line/radio/sneakers, its just crazy...in my opinion, all the guy cares about is money/fame/fortune(but don't we all want it?).

I want to go investigate as to why people all over the world like his CD .

In my opinion they are not that good I've never heard of there underground or pre-mainstream music. But from what I believe what reggae is it is not them, they emulate the style reggae I would say they got influenced by hip-hop, but real reggae is about expressing spirituality, this is why I like Matisyahu. Even though I'm not jewish his spiritualism can appeal to all who are spiritualist or religious




Don't look no further you have found out why people like 50, the style has overcome the talent. these days young going through a teenage crisis teens find the hip-hop gangster ghetto fabulous lifestyle appealing. being gangster is cool because they idolize these flashy gangster rappers. and the ghetto fabulous lifestyle is cool, money, ice, bling-bling, fame, guns, fast cars, and hoes. This is enough to get anybody to listen to your music as long you got a hot beat and cliche rhymes your set to be a star.

There is a funny joke I heard on a documentary on mainstream rap music on vh1. This guy said you just can make an album about money, ice and hoes. Then get fake jewelry and some fresh hip-hop urban gear, make a video flaunting your bling bling on a rented bentley with some fine piece of ass in the background, and hopefully people will eat it up and you can go buy the real bling bling, cars and get the girl.

I'm not sure who said this, but G-Unit is not a gang it's a record label. All these rap groups are not gangs people always think so. Like Dipset(Diplomats) they have a artist named Jim Jones he's in Bloods so dipset is not a gang.



Neither is g-unit they aint a gang!

elephant man and beenie man are dancehall artists, reggae at its true roots are bob marley, beres hammond, junior kelley, etc.

I can't stand elephant man or beenie man or wheva they called they suck to me i can barely understand them

Your right about the diplomates, but G-Unit was a gang before they became a label



I finally heard some of Cassidy's new music and I think you missed the point, Cassidy was just echoing Jigga being a hustler in the game the rap game to be specific. What many people kind of mis interpret about Jay-Z is that he is a sell out, but he is far from it. When Jay says he's a "hustler" he means that he is making money (duh) but it is followed by "in the rap game" or something in similar fashion. So before Jay-Z was raping he was making paper in what way he could (the drug game) because he's a hustler. Now he is in a new game the rap game he is still a hustler but now he makes his money in the rap industry so he never sold out he just is making money and proud of it. So Cassidy being once an underground rapper is now making money mainstream. So in fact whether he is real or fake he is just saying now he is making paper in the rap game and that's it. But because America is dumb they really don't get that rappers are feeding them bull****.

Remember Jay-Z's first album almost nobody understood it because it was to complex, despite the lyrical genius Jay-Z is he dumbed down his lyrics because he was like F it, I want to make money. Don't you guys notice from then on Jay-Z's lyrical rhythm has been the same formula he has an idea but he cuts it up with a punch line like Jigga what, or my nigga, a laugh etc to make it simple and catchy. A clever move if you want to sell records because like I said america is full of dumb-asses. Same thing with Cassidy he cut's his rhymes with "Im a hustler", its simply to listen to and its catchy. Its sad that these artist have to sacrifice there talents just to make money.

I don't blame the artist for trying to make a living, but what gives mainstream a bad name is the lack of depth of the opinionated public of America. When they here a catchy song they are like yeah that joint is fresh, and the lyrics could be literally nothing but crap.

^--I agree with you, even though I just realized it--^


Thanks for the heads-up! Actually, thats what i've been looking for .

You really know your hip-hop huh? Hehe, can't wait for your report .

Reminds me of Jigga's song Dead Presidents...or the track he did with Ja Rule and DMX...Time To Build. Man, they use to be hungry MC's...now looking at them, there's a big transformation.

What do you guys think of these people?
Link

At that time, I was listening to Ja Rules 'New York New York', and I think its the deliverance, the lyrics, the beats, and finally the attitude...I ain't feelin them.

They're all right. They're just getting into the game so there's a big room for improvement.

What hip hop songs are any of you guys currently listening to? Any recommendation on a album?

Common is coming out. Its called 'BE' (Basement Evolution). I've been thinken of buying that since its gone mainstream, and its somewhat the hip-hop I thrive for .

I got nothing on the mainstream just heard the gorillaz new single "Feel Good inc" and the undeground its been hell only found a bunch of wannabe's and jay-z and 50 re-mixes in Brooklyn.

i I googled it, can't find info on this anywhere can you point me out to a review article.

Here is some info on the new york hip-hop scene, you aint s*** if your not in bad-boy, or rocafella. In NYC the rap industry is on lock by the big studios. And to add to that "everybody in NEW YORK can rap and are cynical," a joke I heard somewhere.

Well yeah its true if you dont got a record deal then forget it you won't be big in NYC. And yes everbody can rap even me cause I keep it real like that, but I'm not cynical. Can any of you rap or write lyrics?

Hey do guys know a difference between an eMCee and a rapper? While I have an answer for myself but this question is like an extremely heated debate if you know hip-hop.

I don't really like listening to Common, but he's ok by me plus Kanye West produced his single so I like Kanye West.

You can find it in his official website: http://www.common-music.com/discography/
Yeah, sometimes...its not like i'm gonna make it big or anything.

I don't really know...


Yeah, I like Kanye West too. I guess thats where the messege was comming from, him. But I try to appreciate Common because I not once heard him rap about drugs/money/thongs/bling, just the hood.

Sweet...... A Rap Thread

As far as Kanye West- I really don't like him. I admit that I only listened to the first two singles that were put out, but from what I listened in those songs did not give me the impression that he was a good lyricist.

thanks Hailo_hellFIRE, i kept getting fansites that had no info on Common at all.


Yeah Kanye is just a hype to me. But I give him props for the wire.

haha You two are funny Kanye West has great music! Have you even heard his cd?

I agree, I really liked Kanye's music. I remember listening to 'Jesus Walks' for a while...

'You workin with the lord dawg, you shoulda been a cop' -Cassidy 'I'm a Hustla' ft. Jay-Z



Thankfully this one was a remix done by mix masters inc...

it's not that

"I workin with the raw thug and I be in the spot, you working with the law thug you should of been a cop, "

I don't like him he ain't my kind of rapper the only song out of his album I liked was All Falls Down, Through The Wire, and Jesus walks was alright, he did not say anything knew to me with his lyrics all he did was add Jesus in it.

And _hAiLO_ (new name) the difference between an emcee and a rapper in my opinion when hip-hop started to be commercialized, Not everything could have been sold only a specialized part of hip-hop music could be sold. A rapper is somebody that raps for cash basically as well as an emcee, but the difference lies in the talent and the environment. An emcee is a 24/7 job he can freestyle on the dime on any beat by the DJ for any crowd. A rapper does not stress on that pressure, he comes with already written lyrics, on a beat that he already recognize, also on the stage the rapper will have props (girls, an entourage, ice, and some other gimmick) to hype up the crowd rarely a rapper can do that just by his or her skills or presence.

If a rapper was to battle an emcee, the emcee would rip the rapper up badly. The emcee can easily freestyle on what the DJ spins and even on the fly rap to the cuts, scratches and even the skips if the DJ messed up, While the rapper could freestyle, if the DJ ever breaks the beat by scratching or skipped the record the Rapper will stop and look at the DJ like it was his fault he stopped rapping .

I changed my name , and yeah, I see where your going Super Pancake. I guess all the mainstream artists I see our there are rappers. But they started out as emcees? I remember reading biographies of rappers like Jadakiss, Cassidy, or even LL Cool J and they had an impressive history of freestyling for the neighborhood and winning competitions since they were 12 years old. I was very impressed, but I guess they lose their emcee talent when they start focusing in making the money.

I guess an emcee wouldn't want to sign up with a record label, but just freestyle or make music for his own fun and benefits? Cause thats big in the heart, no craving for money/fame/fortune.


Sorry, I used my own ears

Haha...that happens to the best of us Hailo. Have any of you guys been to a real live concert or a bboy event?

sorry if this has been mentioned b4 but woz the thing between the game and 50 cent real??

It may have been stage, but who really knows....I do think 50 cent's big ego got the better of him and the beef is real. It's pathetic though, he starts the beef and expect g-unit to back him up; he can't handle his own SHi...! I smell pusssssy....ccattt!

Been to a couple of bboy events in NYC, I don't like concerts, to me most of hip-hop concerts are to just hype up the crowd and have a good time which is cool if you want that, but for me its all about the underground battles or conscious poetry sessions.


From the biggening I thought it was a conspiracy to hype up the sales of both artist albums and it worked.

have you all heared that 50 is challenging cassidy.

Pancake, do you break or dance at all? freestyle? I've been breaking for almost 10 years now..haha. I also pop lock and some other stuff.

Hyuuga, where did you hear this? Do you have a link for the story or any of that sort?

Yeah I heard about that how cassidy wants to battle 50 on the radio a while back a few months back 50 dissed him, What I want to know is why now I thought that beef was gone. He could easily beat 50, but 50 is too popular!



Me break dance naw, i just go to watch and support b-boys and b-girls, I think its becoming dead, so I try to keep up with news about events to keep the culture alive. I could walk the streets of NYC and find a MC battle atleast once or twice a day, but a b-boy or b-girl battle I could go months without seeing one, maybe catch a couple of breakers trying to make a quick dollar, but battling in the streets thats a dead art!

Check out this site the best b-boy site i ever seen and a huge community in their forums (i'm super pancake on there forums but I dont talk just read cause I'm a newbie and cant breakdance) www.bboyworld.com

Breakdance is something amazing, something I wish I could do. But its cool, its hip-hop, I love watching people do it . I think they are releasing a sequal to 'You got served'. Why is breakdancing called 'bboy' though?

And I went to your site Super Pancake, quite the hip-hop community. They gave Common some recognition! . When I looked at the top banner, I noticed a wee little boy. Does he breakdance?!?!

P.S. The beat to Birdmans 'Neck of the Woods' makes me feel rich

No b-boy is a male who breakdance, and b-girl is a female who breakdance.


honestly I dont know most likely he does


The beat is o.k. but lyrics another song about how much money they got, at least they did not mention their baby momma I think.

double post!

Pancake, is breaking pretty much dead over there then? It's been dead here for a long while, but my crew and I are still battling some other crews in the CA area. We're trying to revive it, but with not much luck. New York probably has a way bigger hip hop community though, around here, there aren't any type of battles you can see on the street, haha. I wanna head up to New York to see how it is over there, it's probably hella tight. OH, thanks for the site, looks pretty chill, im going to go it now.

But yeah, about the kid hailo, he probably is a b-boy. Surprisingly, little kids learn pretty damn quick and are pretty good.

Have any of you seen the show Dance 360? My friend and I went on it, he actually got to go into it and dance. haha. If you ever watch it, maybe you'll see him, he has long hair and his name his Dino.

http://www.dance360.net/

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Jadakiss, one of the greatest spitters of this era, knows who he would like to see go on tour this summer. "I'm a real old-school n---a," he said recently. "I was just thinking about Grand Puba, Rakim, Kool G Rap. Them n---as could sell some units with the right backing behind them. Them n---as would slaughter it. If Kool G Rap, KRS-One, Rakim and Big Daddy Kane went on tour, it would be nuts. Then after the tour they do an album — they could easily get money."

The Streets Is Talking: News & Notes From The Underground


Freestyle champ Cassidy has taken off his boxing gloves and decided to focus more on the pursuit of excellence in songmaking. But that doesn't mean he won't rise to a challenge.

"I'm always in my battle-ready mode," Cassidy said. "I'm always ready to go at it. I did say I was the battle champion. I retired undefeated like Rocky Marciano. Anybody that was somebody in the game when I was doing it, I murdered them. I was out there, all day, every day. Now, there's no reason for me to come out of retirement unless it's gonna be some big fight."

The streets have been asking Cassidy about the possibility of a couple of battles, though. On the recent "The Come Up, Volume 4" DVD, up-and-comer Murder Mook called Cassidy out, and several weeks ago on Hot 97, 50 Cent warned the MC to watch his mouth as well. Cassidy had words for them both.

"The first cat you named, I never even heard of him," he said, referring to Mook. "He don't got no situation, he can't even ride the beat. The kid is a clown. The second kid [50 Cent], said I better watch it. That's my type of ballgame. I would get involved with that [battle], 'cause I got something to gain. The kid might be appealing to a bigger fanbase than me, I might can snatch a few fans. But I'm focusing on my music. Make history, turn the females on, keep it moving."



Story on the 50 cent and Cassidy beef from MTV

Hey DarkSinister I'll check the link later my connection is a bit slow



Sorry about CA, breaking ain't all that dead but if you by chance meet some b-boys or b-girls its mostly they are breaking for money and not battling, occasionally I hit up www.bboyworld.com to see if there are any events coming up, but after that NYC is quite when it comes to breaking. In matter of fact NYC is loosing that hip-hop appeal, now a days its hip-hop but you don't notice it, which is cool but when your unconscious about it you start to lose the individuality of what hip-hop is in my opinion. These days everybody comes off as generic hip-hop commercial wannabe's. Travelers from out of state will notice the hip-hop culture but New Yorkers will be like whatever its just how I live.

So are there a lot of emcees there trying to get record deals? There are some here that collaborate with each other to produce songs and put them on soundclick, most of them are from the bay area though. Did you rap or do you still? I tried writing lyrics, dabble in that area for a bit, but i just suck..hahaha, just not my thing. I'm trying to learn how to work the turntable though, it's pretty cool.

There are a lot of emcee, but trying to get a record deal most likely not, in a prior post I wrote that mostly everybody in NYC can rap and are cynical. I do rap and write sometimes its something to do when I'm with my friends.

Turntables, I tried scratching a while back I was good at it but I only saw it as a hobby, have not done it in a while though.

I don't particularly like rap, but I'm not going to dis it. I can appreciate some of it. There are a few rap songs I like

Everlast: "What its like"
Gorillaz: "Clint Eastwood", and ..that new one they have..

JUST HAD TO SAY I GOT TIKETS TO THE ANGER MANAGEMENT TOUR WITH EMINME,D12,50cENT, g-unit, Stat QuoAND OBIE TRICE AND MORE

Yeah, I quite agree. The lyrics aren't me, but i'd like to write something to give that beat something its worth for . Nothing rich though, but for a more 'representative' atmosphere.


After I saw the video clip in the site you gave me, i'd really like to see this show! It looks like it has a lot of energy in it. Maybe i'll catch Dino

I really like Jadakiss too, I really like his lyrics. I'm not too much into the romance songs he wrote, but more to the other songs that aren't romance. I'd like to see Jadakiss go against Cassidy, but in a friendly way. Cassidy and Jadakiss against 50, 50 would get burned, but I won't count on seeing this situation.


Thats cool! I'd like to see Eminem, D12, or Obie Trice. Not much into G-Unit though...I like Banks a little.

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Hey, I have another song, if you guys want...sorry if i'm buggin ya..jus tell me if I am. But its called 'Can't be touched' by Roy Jones Jr. featuring Magic and Trouble.

If you haven't listened to it yet,its HERE..