Now I'm not talking about the movies but I have heard about men dressed in black that turn up when there's been some sightings etc.Has anyone else heard about these guys and if so is there much information about them.Also is it true that sometimes black helicopters that are unusually quiet show up as well?I'd appreciate if some of you could share your opinions on this. Thanks.

Hi neenron!

There are many sites on the web that talk about the MIB. Do a search for "Men In Black" plus some identifier to narrow it down, like "conspiracy." Watch out for the sites dealing specifically with the movies, they have little if anything to do with what you are looking for.

Some theorists put forward that yes, there is a government agency that deals with coverups, and it ain't the CIA. In fact, they believe the MIB to be an organization all its own answerable not to the President, but only to the Chairman or the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The real MIB are supposed to have several branches, each dealing with different phenominon. One such branch deals with UFO related occurences, of course. But others might deal separately with things like hauntings, witchcraft, human/animal oddities, "monters," and so on. Strangely, it is beleived that these MIB guys only actually show up (in black suits) for the most severe occurances, those that have enough legitimate evidence to bring out the truth. In other cases they might plant "screwball" operatives as witnesses (you know, the lady with thirty five cats that talks to Elvis through a bent soup spoon?). Or, in lesser events, spread enough falsehoods as to make it too fantastic to be real.

Just a thought...

thanks for your reply schadeaux.Are they an American only organisation or are they international and also do you know anything about the helicopters that appear when there's been a sighting?thks.

allthough I have no proof to back up my opinion . I believe M.I.B.'s are Hollywood Crock . I know , I'm a party pooper

I believe that the people who have had 'close encounters' who then go on to
report visitations by Men In Black are reporting events that actually happened
to them. Whether or not they are alien-associates or government-agents is
quite another matter.

The government-agent aspect is not quite supported by the evidence of some
encounters, such as when the MIB don't blink, or appear and disappear in an
odd way.

In my case, the jury is still out...

There is also the case of the one UFO investigator who had a visit by an MIB, the MIB then refused all drink and food, and at the end of the time he spent questioning the investigator, made his excuse for going as his batteries were getting low.


The MIB appeared to have lipstick on and also high amounts of makeup
and had a rubbery appearence.

Heres a link to a thread that was posted a few months ago , of an apparent M.I.B. encounter .LINKAGE

There's an article on this very site with some general information about the M.I.B phenomenon, along with details on one particularly famous encounter.

You can get to the page by Clicking Here

Here's another site. I have seen parts of this article as separate accountings in different places. Some names and dates changed to protect the innocent, of course.

Click Here

All fun? Or the MIB spreading more fakery?

Great sites thanks guys!!!

I personally believe that some form of a MIB exist simply because there are many upon many layers to a government. There is no way to know how to get into the government and find something that is ment to be hidden, although things do happen just look at area 51 for example. Anyways, you can't really rule them out as being none existant because like I stated in a previous post you can disguise your disguise so you can draw attention away from your primary goal.

Living here in California I don't see a lot of governmental things happening simply because the area is so large, and being in more than one place at the moment is quite impossible. Living within 150 miles of the National UFO reporting center does bring up some issues. I've heard strange stories about cars on roads that go nowhere, although a lot of this stuff won't make into mainstream media considering that a lot of people who see these things don't like the limelight.

I take a lot of what I hear with a graiin of salt but the weirdness is there and it's really hard to miss if your not looking for it.

Like i have said before, i live about 15 or 20 min from where the mothman thing took place. after all that happened, people said they were visited a couple days later by men in black suites asking about the sighting and the bridge falling. make whatever you want of it. but that is the story.

CASTOR

i have this book that has heaps of accounts of peopl who aorked with UFO investigations getting visits from strange people, many of them dressed in black. i think they're real, but fro what purpose i have no idea.

There really are way too many stories to ignore the possibility (notice I said possibility) of the existence of MIB. If nothing else, than to make the events more unbelievable.



btw, HI mensa, welcome to the forum!
I really like your avatar, it's my #1 favorite
pic of the coolest 'unexplained phenomena'
seeking couple I've ever seen.

That was a great link Schadeaux.. thanks for posting it.

I have two "important" thoughts about MIB at the moment.. one is reflected in this quote: "The only time we are SUPPOSED to be deceived by our government is when National security is at stake. Is this the case concerning UFO's? If so, the answer is at hand. Friends do not cause occurrences which would involve national security."

The second is that the MIB phenomena comes from a source that is fundamentally weak, or at least appears to be so. If it is from our government, the weakness is that it is working counter to the "protections" we have as citizens (I'm speaking of the USA, of course.. not sure how it breaks down for some of your other countries..) But if the MIB phenomenon arises instead from the paranormal, then the weakness is even more pronounced. They must threaten and cajole, deceive, and all from the shadows. Their weakness is exposed in the methods they must use. None of it has been very effective, has it? In fact, it seems to me, it has all worked quite counter to their announced intentions..

Much of that stuff you used to read about in the 60s.. I'm a bit too young to have "experienced" it myself, I read some of these these things just now for the first time.. anyway, much of it is plain silly and chaotic as all heck. It doesn't come together to amount to anything. I can hardly believe our government, for instance, would have been involved in "tapping" into the tv with some nonsense about aliens in robes with highminded missions..

But as you can see, the "myth" has matured to the point that only the "believable" stuff happens anymore. Or at least, that's all that gets reported. The evolution of the experiences as they are received by us is an interesting phenomenon in itself.

Presumably, if the government were cracking down on the UFOlogists, they'd not do some of the things that have been done since they have only made matters worse.. though I suppose it might just be the inevitable "human error" in planning operations that then backfired.. but in any case, the entire phenomenon seems to have "adjusted" itself in ways that coorelate with what we are likely to believe. Or have I simply not been reading the really weird stuff lately? There are still one or two guys from the 50s and 60s claiming every bit of that crazy crap, but are there new people reporting recent crazy events? I haven't seen it..

The evolution of the myth is an important factor to be considered. It is as if "someone" started out trying to create these stories, with incredible license, and winnnowed out the stuff people wouldn't believe.

It reminds me of the whole "bigfoot comes out of UFOs" thing from the 70s.. don't really hear too much of that anymore, do we? I'd be interested to know if there are recent claims of such.

I think MIB is underground organiztion that prevent people to know about UFO

Yes, i do belive in MIB

There are a few things that strike me as odd regarding the stories of the Men in Black. Let me share some of them with you:

1. Why would they always wear black? It gets around a lot these days that if you see something that could be a craft from another planet, you get a visit by some dudes dressed in black suits. If you were trying to cover something up, would you use the same sthick all the time?

2. Are they a global agency? Sure, X-COM is a great game, but governments can't agree about rather trivial things like traiffs on softwood lumber, so how would it just happen that they ALL got together to sort this out? Or is it just an American experience? If so, what happens here in Canada or out in Belgium or Mongolia?

3. What particular interest does the government have in making you think you didn't see what you thought you did? From the shows on aliens that I have watched, the average person that seems to see these things is below average on the old socio-economic scale. This is not a segment of the population that holds a lot of sway for public opinion, so why not let them think that they say all manner of space craft hovering above their house?

4. How do you recruit for such an agency? Nine out of 10 people on this board have probably seen M.I.B. with Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones. While this offers a scenario to recruit these people, each M.I.B. would have had friends, relatives and coworkers that knew them. Telling these people that they did not have a buddy/son/shop foreman might take up far more time than telling people aliens don't exist. Why don't we hear more reports of that?

5. How is national security at stake if aliens are visiting? If aliens are here, they are more advanced than us in at least a few different ways. There is probably nothing that they can learn about the species from visiting Dalila Woodson of the Palmgrove Trailer Park in Kapatewa, Indiana than they couldn't learn from reading a book. We have documented ourselves very well over the past 100 years (it's a little spotty before that) so would a library be a better choice to visit?

I have some speculative answers for your questions.. I've given MIB some thought since reading The Mothman Chronicles sometime last year.. before that I hadn't really thought about it critically. I just thought it was natural the gov't would want to shut it down.. but let me take them one at a time:

1. Wearing black. somewhere else someone noted that Don King wears his hair that way because he wants to be noticed.. I think the uniform may be a similar attempt. But also I think whoever the MIB are, they *are* trying to "trip" those wires in your brain that say "government agent".. dark suits and sunglasses seem to be iconic, though I'm not sure the MIB were not actually involved in making it so..

2. Global agency. I think it is possible that the governments of the world could have agreed to cooperate on something of this magnitude. You may recall some years ago, shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union, Belgium, I think, announced that they would be releasing all of their UFO documents to the public. As it happens, they never did.. you can be sure there was some form of international pressure responsible for this. But the timing of their announcement suggests to me that at least part of the rationale for secrecy was to keep the information out of Soviet hands.. which suggests that the West either actually *was* acquiring technology or expected that they might.. and didn't want the USSR knowing anything about it.

3. Why would governments do it. I think the rationale for this was covered in a "leaked" memo some time back. A prominant psychologist was asked to discern what the effect of a widespread belief in visits from people from other worlds with vastly superior technology would be. He reported that you could expect a breakdown in the working of society to the extent that governments might collapse. Whether that is actually true or not, the fact that it might have been was probably enough to launch the greatest coverup operation ever known to mankind. If aliens really have been here and our governments know it, they would have an interest in *not* telling you about it.

4. Why no stories from relatives. That's actually a good point. I've never considered this one.. for instance, my father had a "classified" job, but it didn't take me long to figure out what it was: he was a mathematician working for the Navy, creating maps of the ocean floor. He never told me that, it was just too obvious. But I'm not aware of *any* stories about people who work in a MIB type agency.. By the same token, though, I have friends who know their relatives work for an intelligence agency, but not which one, and have no idea what they do. Maybe the people they choose are just *that* secretive!

5. How is national security at stake. I covered this in number three up there, but let me add a few thoughts. The primary problem for the government is that they would have to admit that these UFOs can enter and leave controlled airspace with impunity. They routinely, at least in the 1970s and 80s, would violate forbidden airspace above nuclear facilities. We pay our military to protect us, and they quite understandably could be afraid that if we learned they *can't* we might start panicking. And you have to understand that the military perceives those overflights as "demonstrations of power" much as they do missile tests and overflights of surveilance planes. It's true that they are using "military think" here, because it may only be alien curiosity, and not at all an expression of power meant to intimidate. But I have read reports of UFOs making "threatening" movements. I am not aware, though, of any *certain* instances where UFOs were involved in destroying military craft. Obviously, there are plenty of cases where planes and jets crashed, and that might have been the case. But the answer is, even with only what we *know* from declassified documents and reports from the early days, before the lid got screwed down so tightly, the military had plenty of reason to think that the UFOs were a real threat.

And no discussion of this subject would be complete without "noticing" how Western culture has been, perhaps, "climatizing" the people for some kind of general awareness of the reality of UFOs. Some of you are probably too young to remember what it was like in the 70s, but back then, just talking about the possibility of some benign contact with a UFO, like a close encounter, was extremely frightening. So too was even spotting one from a distance! The idea was so new, and the unknown factor was high. But now that isn't the case anymore. Seeing a UFO from a distance probably doesn't cause many people to panic. More likely they get excited and wonder if they've seen a real one. Even a close encounter doesn't involve so much the "unknown" since we do have a general idea of what to expect.

The government, while still officially denying the existence of UFOs, has been releasing documents in dribs and drabs, that show the ones who want to look for it how seriously the government has taken UFOs in the past. Also, the popular media has been gradually building up a tolerance for the idea of aliens in our midst, even the idea that they might not be entirely friendly.. from Close Encounters to Independence Day and Signs you see the shift in the presentation of aliens in popular culture.

I think they are preparing us (and maybe the media is involved only coincidentally) for the announcement one day that, yes, UFOs and aliens appear to exist, but we don't know much about them, and we aren't sure of their intentions. They may be hostile. If any other set of conditions were true (particularly if governments knew the aliens were benign) I think we'd have seen not only an announcement from our governments by now, but also we'd know a few friendly aliens. They'd have made the rounds on the talk shows years ago.

So there, in a nutshell (well, a big nutshell) are my thoughts about MIB as possibly real government agents. But I don't necessarily believe that. I'm sure the governments of the world do have agents who actively investigate UFO phenomena, but these may not be the MIB. As I pointed out in another post, the whole point may be to get us to distrust our government in regards to the UFO phenomena.