JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE, DEATH, AND BIRTH: EVOLUTION, HEAVEN, AND HELL

A Certain Concept and Explanation, known as the Synnegi Explanation

Eden was made, in eternity and goodness. Then the bad entered, and so death was sentenced on the eternal paradise which was meant to be eternal for even you and I to dwell in forever. So by death, a new heaven and a new earth is being created. This current one is passing away. Death creates a desert, and deserts create dryness and the lesser capability for a man to thrive and survive.
As this increases, deserts increase and grow as heat and dryness increases; evaporating water into the sky, and creating more desolate areas. Then soon, as sure as winter's end induces into autumn, when the heat of earth's body increases and such as the icecaps melt and it loses its winter era (I call it a global-season), earth will become on a grandiose scale a huge autumn. All life will dry out and die; it will overheat, and evaporate the water into the sky--and as sure as leaves in autumn dry, die, shrivel, decay, and fill the sky with massive white clouds, earth's demise will become dead, dry, and overheated; and, like a chain-reaction, will cause all the water to evaporate up into the clouds. The ground now will become a hot, dry, dead, and molten, magmatic desert (Nahum 1:2-10, Revelation 19:20), counted as another layer of earth's core, as the clouds become earth's new surface.
Earth will be remade new. As us as its children (but, more importantly, aside from earth, know that we are children of God--always), when the life of the soil dies, so dies earth itself. And as sure as we are reborn in heaven, so you see that death itself was sentenced to earth itself. It [earth] was forced to transform, or, die and be reborn. It is creating heaven. Earth will be solid white, as its new surface is covered in the evaporated water of the clouds.
The soil will be a hot, molten layer of the core--or, hell. Every mountain will melt away as magma, and the surface will smooth away and become barren (Psalms 97:5). As sure as the dead, dry autumn puts massive snow clouds in the sky, so earth's real autumn (or, end--its death) will fill the sky with clouds. Now the clouds, as water, will freeze. And so you see why ice expands. It is destined to settle in the clouds; and in order to cover the larger surface area of a sphere, as water it is compact down here toward the center. But up in heaven it must expand, because heaven is a larger surface area. So it will fill the earth and cover it. Heaven will be made. So, you can see magma as liquid the more compact of an area down at the middle of the core. It erupts, like geysers, or springs, and then hardens as the new surface area of earth up here, where we are above the crust, is larger. So then, water is compacted down here on the surface as liquid, and since it is destined to reach the skies, it actually does have an icy state to it, and expands in the clouds as frost, and snow, and hail, and ice. Raindrops itself expand from the mist to larger quantities. The whole point being, creation has placed a meaning on it and so it will expand to cover earth and make earth a solid white planet–as seen from space, a solid white ball.
And so the scriptures are true, "we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses (Hebrews 12:1)," and, "Jesus is coming on the clouds of heaven (Matthew 24:30, 26:64)."

Cloud References:
Matthew 17:5, Mark 9:7, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, Luke 9:34-35, Luke:21:27, Luke 23:30, Acts 1:9, 1Thessalonians 4:17, 2Peter 2:17, 2Peter 3:2-13, Jude 1:12, Revelation 1:17, Revelation 10:1, Revelation 11:12, Revelation 14:14-16

Lake of Fire References:
Revelation 20:10, Revelation 20:14-15, Revelation 21:8

References To The Importance of White:
Matthew 17:2, Matthew 23:27, Matthew 28:3, Mark 9:3, Mark 16:5, Luke 9:29, John 4:35, John 20:12, Acts 1:10, Acts 23:3, Revelation 1:14, Revelation 2:17, Revelation 3:4-5, Revelation 3:18, Revelation 4:4, Revelation 6:2, Revelation 6:11, Revelation 7:9, Revelation 7:13-14, Revelation 14:14, Revelation 15:6, Revelation 19:8, Revelation 19:11, Revelation 19:14, Revelation 20:11

MORE ON EVOLUTION, ADAPTATION, DEATH, LIFE, AFTERLIFE AND EVOLVING TOWARD THE AFTERLIFE--NOT JUST SURVIVAL, BUT AFTERLIFE SURVIVAL

My idea is this; humans do not know what they are or how they affect reality. A tree creates oxygen that transforms earth's being, physical bodies transform earth's structure and appearance--earth is one huge adaptable body. In fact, earth itself is more evolutionarily equipt than us. Whatever physical conditions affect it, earth responds and conforms to the environment. Sunlight, heat, cold, pressure, whatever.
As sure as trees create oxygen just by being alive, however, humans create death. How then does earth evolve or conform to this biological process? Well, since water and oxygen are necessities to life, and transform earth upon their intake, death, after you intake it and become it, it transforms into a clearer reality. You then see upon death heaven and hell, and how the clouds and the fire already exist. Time is just a growth period. You grew as a fetus to be born and you grew up until this moment. However you are still growing to die and will then see fully.
You are incomplete, so to say. Just as a child is much different from a fetus, or an adult from a child. An adult was all of these. However, a dead man is much more. As sure as earth accepts oxygen in its body and changes to it (earth itself now literally possesses oxygen and has become oxygen and the effects it has on it), death was accepted. Earth has accepted death. However, as sure as you being a fetus makes you oblivious to the larger outward world that is life now, and you had to grow and conform to be in it, we are still oblivious to the outward world (afterlife) that we see when we die. Because you are incomplete and see things differently as a fetus, or a baby, or a child, and your perception grows and changes immensely throughout your experience, and lifetime, death itself is as enlightening and revealing or truer as when you were born.
See, you are clouded and less conscious now just as you were less conscious as a fetus to those who were already born. As you grow throughout life you understand things clearer, and see things from a larger perspective and now know more about reality than you were as a child; although all were still available, it took the experience of life to wake you up. So, although reality and afterlife is available to us, the fact that we are not dead, we are still infants awaiting death to wake you up into the larger truth.
Earth itself already has death. It has become death, just as it became oxygen and other lifeforms. So, when you pass up to the mature reality of death, you will open your eyes to see what that means. So, for instance, if you look at earth from space now, you see it as green, swirling with some clouds, oceans, and beautiful scenery and effects that are earth--as earth's body and being itself evolved and adapted, or, ate and became the elements. And you see how beautiful they are. Likewise, just as earth changed itself completely to this lively garden of green continents, and clouds, and rain, and snow, and living beings, and it has an amazing effect on earth, the deeper truth that beyond this death exists, earth in reality outside of time and observation has already become and evolved to the effects of death--or, at least it is doing so now.
So all life just as we are subject to oxygen and the oppression of other life forms and must conform to their very existence among us is also subject to the offering of death. So, as sure as all life is surrounded by the environment of other life forms and their effects on us, death itself is a physical effect that we as humans placed on it all. Instead of already being past death and time to see the beautifully, well evolved and transformed earth to the element of death and introduction of it to it (all things will die--and thus will transform earth into, as I've explained through the synnegi concept, heaven and hell), just as we conformed to a living human likeness in the womb from a living human, we are still conforming and growing through earth itself into death to the dead likeness. Suppose a baby is not born correctly and dies before being born. It was not equipped for the more timely experience that we are at now, now was it? No. It died. It did not join the land of living, it never saw it. Instead returned to the dust which is recycled into new life, such as fertilizer.
So then if somebody is not equipped to live in eternal life, and they die in life unequipped or prepared, not being able to move up into the land of the clouds (which already exists, for death is true and you are just walking to it), you will be like a miscarriage and will not die (or, be reborn) as a healthy eternal being.
No, just as a baby returns to the soil if it is a miscarriage, and does not go on, you will not grow up like a seed who enters into the air as a towering tree far above where it once stood, you will remain down here on the ground, and will not tower above in the clouds. And since we know death already exists, we know then (as explained through synnegi) that after you stop growing, and die, you will be witness to earth itself as an element of death (just as we see earth as an element of oxygen now, and must continually intake it in order to healthily flower into the mature death, just as a fetus must flower into a mature baby to live as we live), and will see heaven and hell. So if you do not tower above and grow to be able to walk among the eternal living (just as a miscarriage cannot grow and walk among this mid-ground of living now), you will be just as a miscarriage in the soil, still here on earth. You will be earthbound. A ghost, by all means. Unable to ascend into the clouds.
And since we know through synnegi that death's effects on earth (earth adapting and evolving to death's very being itself--just as it adapts and evolves to oxygen's being and it transforms earth) make it fire and clouds, then you know that in the larger reality that we are still growing to be a part of (just as a fetus has to grow and become a part of this next step, which we call life) heaven, or, eternal life. And so if you are earthbound, and clouds and fire are the true reality, as earth is much greater than us and death itself as an element exists and has already transformed it all (because time does not exist, it is only a process or duration to lead you and prepare you for an eternal body, like 9 months or so are required for you to prepare a living body), then earthbound people or so to say will be down here, buried in fire. Or, hell.
Why? Because earth immediately transforms into whatever affects it. If a plant grows, earth immediately grows that plant. If you burn earth, earth immediately turns into smoke, and changes it elements and evaporates things and transforms to things. If sunlight strikes it, earth immediately displays the light, and transforms into its effects. Furthermore, since a fetus is oblivious, we still are oblivious as we await death. For when you become dead, you will see the immediate transformation that death as an environmental stressor such as sunlight has done to earth. Since sunlight transforms earth into and creates night and day, death transforms earth into heaven and hell. Just as clouds darken the sky and block out sunlight and create shadows, so hell will be completely darkened by the clouds, as another layer of the core, and heaven will be eternally lighted outside on the surface. Night and day now serve to show you this reality; whereas half of earth is always completely darkened from the sun, and the other half is always lighted. So heaven is always lighted, and hell is darkened (which is why darkness is associated with hell, I believe.) You see? It's the same thing. Elemental environmental stressors and effects that earth, as a much greater body than us, has already immediately and strongly adapted and evolved to. So when you lift the veil of death and see death, you will see all that death has to offer.
How then do we know the effects of death beyond religious inspiration and God? Well, you can't, but you can use scientific observation and thinking and analysis to see it or understand it. Since oxygen on earth is oxygen on earth, regardless--then death on life as we see it now is death to life as we see it now. So imagine all life as you see it now as dead. Earth then becomes a desert, it dries, and evaporates the water to the sky, and earth is completely transformed into the likeness of death as heaven and hell. We are approaching its truth and likeness. I call the whole explanation, "synnegi" -- so feel free to use it, because it sure beats writing it all out and explaining it all over and over. “Synnegi” is Greek for "cloud ground."
So, you see, we become more aware of reality throughout life and time. However, just as sure as being inside your mother clouded the larger reality that is life now, although we know it exists, and existed, we could not see or perceive it as clearly as we did when we were born (left her body), then you know now that the larger reality is still clouded, and while the afterlife is already among us, looking at us like someone looking at you and feeling you kick while your mother was pregnant with you, we must die (be reborn) and leave earth's womb and body to see the larger truth that already exists, has existed, and always will. This is eternity. Its when you leave the processes and growth behind, such as when you were a fetus and making your mom pregnant, and now as you are making earth pregnant in life. So while growth exists, eternity also exists. It might seem like a really long time, but you are eternal, as God is eternal, the Creator, and you entering a womb, living, and coming out is hardly very long.
So endure hardship, and submit to God. For you never want to be in hell...and, furthermore, most effects of evolution take place upon the stressor of death. As sure as breathing in oxygen transforms you, or eating food, and you evolve or conform to it, with the introduction of death, the stage of growth of period between when you are born and when you die is much smaller in comparison to eternity. Therefore, death itself as a new stressor such as oxygen and other elements required by earth to conform and take on to walk among such (we eat living bodies and earthy material to walk among and be a living body and earthy material--we conform to the environment) is much more important than these temporary stressors. Because your mother's womb is not eternal, and so you would never put your trust in it since you know now how separate you have become, and how useless it is to your safety since your mother can die, so why would you put trust in earthy possessions and worries and things that rot when you are really just working more importantly and desirably to have a healthy death. Death as a stressor is more transforming than birth as a stressor to the fetus who finds the new life.
Therefore as evolution is adaptation to reality and stresses, whereas fetuses conform, and grow to the point of birth and life, we are conforming to death and eternal life in heaven. Jesus is your spiritual food (1Corinthian 10:3-5)--the only way to the Father is through him. I know this. Know also the Holy Spirit. For I would know nothing without them; and so if I have taught you anything, know that. I serve the triune God who nurse me toward eternal life, more importantly than my parents and relationships with people nursed me toward this life.
And so, since Eden once existed and death once did not, I believe it entirely possible that before death everything simply evolved and bloomed in their day without the effects of death--up until Adam brought death. I could be wrong about this, as Adam and Eve fell from Eden to animal flesh, and so death could have already existed, however, only among the flesh--and so Adam and Eve may have sank and so as we see we are still growing toward death and eternal life, they had to "climb back up the tree" in order to get back. This journey toward death is new realization and experience; new growth.
However, if death was brought by Adam to all life rather than only all humans, then it would have stunted time and evolution that we see now, and so things are as we see them.
Whereas before it would have been easier to evolve and much more immediate and sudden in the environment, since you didn't have death as a stressor to have to conform to. So then all life could have evolved or immediately been born into the environment according to their kinds (Genesis 1:11-12, Genesis 1:21, Genesis 1:24-25), until death came, and so as less evolved as a fetus is to us now, we are much more less evolved as those that are dead--because the spirit body is much larger and more important than our earthy bodies; or, the earth's womb. Because we leave it.
So then if you had evolution without death, there would be no reason to have death's stress and monkeys and men would have immediately formed and bloomed to their likeness. Then when death came, we were made as mere as a fetus in a womb, and so now we have the huge weight and stress of the afterlife that we are growing toward, and so this life and evolution in this womb of life is much less important as death itself. And so time slows down here as it did before, or, rather, evolution slowed down here, because out ultimate goal is death, and not earthy life. So while it is of some value to conform to the changing environment of this life, the more important region of a growing, or, evolving being, is the afterlife--so eat your spiritual food and serve God now so as to conform to the environment and afterlife and have a well grown and formed and evolved eternal body. Because the death as a stressor making heaven and hell are much more important than this current dying world. Because death is already true, you're just passing through the womb to enter it. The clouds of earth’s surface and the soil as a fiery, dry, and lifeless furnace (synnegi) is already true. We're just passing through time as we grow toward that which already exists.
If evolution (creation) existed without death, you would have things being born to do this, or to do that, modeled after their kinds (the Bible says; according to their kinds.) So, if a monkey was born, and then according to its kind and its activity or the environment and stressors and changes involved in its existence gives birth to another animal, and all these animals are branching out and giving life (kinds) to new creatures, they will have formed to the changes in earth according to the stress involved in their, or, their parents' being. And so, evolution would quickly take on their various kinds to be and do what they do. Starting out "simple" in a simpler time, then giving birth to much more advanced kinds overlapping the previous kinds' existence.
Then when death came, we now see this huge veil as we all travel toward and conform to the death stressor, in order to be born and conformed to the kinds of the afterlife. However, death, now as a stressor and reality, takes its toll on life as we see it now--we see sin, and thorns, and other defense mechanisms and all kinds of terrible things in order for life as we know it now to be able to thrive and have a healthy death, or, afterlife. Evolution is involved not necessarily in earthy things, but the spiritual things. In order to thrive and evolve to this life, you must do so in order to grow and enter the afterlife--and especially to escape hell.

MORE ON THE STRESSOR OF DEATH, AND THE OVERSHADOWING EFFECT IT HAS ON LIFE SPANS AND HUMANITY: Noah AND THE FLOOD, PEOPLE OF GENESIS LIVING HUNDREDS OF YEARS, AND THE SHORTENING OF LIFE

Outsider’s Proposed Question:
When sin entered the world, the bible notes that our life spans slowly shortened. I wonder if one reason this happened is becuase had we lived for so long there is no possible way we could have remained monogomous for several hundred years. If we had been perfect this would not have been a problem, but sinful and imperfect we would have had intimate relations with several people over the course of hundreds of years and populating the planet at an alarming rate. What do you think?

Response:
After the flood, I believe now that the earth is burning, or, passing away and being destroyed (as by fire--you can witness the sun drying leaves, starting forest fires, overheating sidewalks, melting snow, rotting bodies, all sorts of fiery effects including magnifying it and using it to quickly set a leaf on fire, and in the sky you can see the linear colors and image of a flame, including the blue, the orange and blue and red and yellow at sunset, etc.) In fact, normal fire comes in much a smaller range of colors, but the sun being much larger burns millions of colors, creating the rainbow fire. In some high places at some times, you can see the sky colored as the colors of a rainbow or spectrum. It's quite amazing, and just shows where all the colors of our environment truly come from.
I would bet that in other stars, if we were created to exist among them, you would find more unknown colors than we see now, because the greater the light, or star, the much more power and brilliance is contains. Which is why the sun's spectrum of its color is greater than the immediate spectrum you see by the lesser version of the light created by a bonfire. Moreover, God being the greatest light of all probably has enormous brilliance around him that we are not capable of perceiving in our veiled state.
So, the earth in its burning which explains a lot of whatever you might be curious about in end times and the present time, heaven, hell, fire, death, afterlife, etc.), as you can see it burning during the day when the light is upon it as opposed to the cool of night when the heat and burning of the sun is away from it, makes our lives shortened. So you can see us evolving toward the apocalypse; the end. We're evolving toward heaven and hell. People find houses to live in, air-conditioning, coats, swimming pools, all sorts of things. The earth is being destroyed in its present form to give birth to heaven (synnegi), and as time as the fourth-dimension, you can see that heaven and hell (synnegi) already exists. Whatever secrets God has created or made, it exists already. However, just like you have to move around to see all the things the third dimension has to offer, you know that simultaneously all these objects exist. The only difference is movement or your placement toward them. So time itself already exists--or, the end result--and us in this veil allows us freewill to conform to this end result or reality; or, this creation, by synnegi. And so, as you move through time you can see how things exist or come about. The overall persona of things; not necessarily their physical third dimensional being. But, just as pitiful as a fetus to us would be seen, so we are terribly pitiful in comparison to those in heaven as we move about and grow toward death (rebirth)--we are simply oblivious or poor in the glory of the highest; and so, just as a child might think they "know it all" when an adult knows much more, so atheist and scientists and the like might think they "know it all" and pitifully those who are greater than us are aware of our sins--just as you would be aware of a child's arrogance or ego; though you know how undeveloped the child really is to reality itself.
The child is sort of veiled to adulthood, or the greater truths of this life. However, it is impossible to discern the distinctions because God himself is much greater than us, and without him you cannot find direction. Are children actually more godly than us? Or less godly? Does age bring terrible things, or good things? I tell you, Jesus speaks of children being the greatest, but what does this really mean? I pray that we find out.
Furthermore, the stresses of destruction make death a greater realm. The afterlife being a larger stressor now, or larger environment among us, existing, just as the larger a crowd the more effect it has on you, so the afterlife, death, and God, and all that is happening and decreed is effecting us. After the flood, with all the intense death and whatnot, life would be cut short because as us who will no matter what die, you have to realize that we exist eternally, and so our afterlife bodies exist as well. So if death is so great, then life in this present form, the physical bodies, would be greatly cut short.
You have to look at the afterlife, or, death, as oxygen. A tree creates oxygen--the more there is around you, the more intake and effect it has on you. Although it is invisible, your experience of it is dependent on it and regardless if you see stand here and breathe, if oxygen is in great number surrounding your body, if you breathe the oxygen will have an effect on you according to its measure. Even if you don't breathe, the environment of it matters to your very touching it or being among it. Just as the outside world effects a growing fetus--the foods, the air, the people, the sounds, the mother, the energy, etc.
So the afterlife is among us, so are angels, and God himself everywhere. As death and the afterlife increases, your very pitiful being, regardless of what you may think, are under God's Law. And unless he performs miracles with you, you must abide by the truths of these laws. And so, as death increases and life shrinks, and the entire ecosystem changes, the environment, and sins, etc., so changes your role in it. Which is why God would cut short a man's life; because with his flood, with his destruction, punishment, giving, love, etc., they all come into effect as you "evolve" or, adapt and become the truth or destiny that is God's.
Think, for instance. If you live in a desert surrounded by paradise, what good does it do you? If the tree is near you, with fruit, now you can eat, and drink of its juice. The very placement of everything, the very effects of everything matters. And so, why try to guess why our life was cut short? And if you must know, aside from God's Word, some other way to understand it, then know that a scientific way to look at it would be, if there is one man left alive in this physical world, he is a drop in the bucket to all those among us who are dead. Therefore, the weight and stress of the afterlife to which we approach would be intensely magnified to the last man; as opposed to Adam and the like who were all living very long and so the dead compared to the living of that time would scientifically not be very stressful. You have all these people alive, and living among each other for hundreds of years, and the few that did die, especially of old age, wouldn't come about until the population far exceeded the population they knew when they were born. And so those who were dead were small in comparison to those alive. It just simply grew. Death was not as big of an enemy, or, predator. And the less threats something has, the more likely it has to thrive. And so on a deeper level, our lives, our aging, etc. is very deeply real in the whole picture of things. So, then, if you flood the world and kill everyone but eight people, in comparison to all those who were alive before you, eight people out of possibly billions who once existed on the earth, both who died during the flood or before it, eight people is very tiny.
Death then is a huge weight and environmental stressor to those who are living and await death. So your life would be cut short as you evolve or adapt toward it. You see, no matter what, whatever God does to creation, we all immediately conform and are effected by it. In the beginning it would be more drastic and apparent, more noticeable because you're watching new things happen. Now as we slowly enter toward the end, which is nearer now than ever, things begin to slow down or happen more consistently; whereas people gather knowledge and write it down and keep track. And yet they somehow think it still applies to an ever dying species and world. When the end happens, it happens. It won't turn back. And so you can see why it would slow down, as when it comes to a stop, the end is here. It is done. Moreover, Jesus himself became a huge stressor so to say on everything. It's impossible for us to understand it all. We are so small and pitiful. Remember, God is great.
As sure as an object pushing into your skin forces your body to conform to its existence, so does everything. That which we see, or do not see. Now do you understand?
I would also like to note that since you can still see the 120 (give or take some) age limit on people, and it has not slowly decreased as from 1000 to 120, you still see this stressor playing out all over the demise of earth and it's run toward the end or Apocalypse. What you do see are many miscarriages, people dying very young, starvation, countries where people die and are born all the time in large and unsual arrays--their lifespans, etc. So while some people do live a long time, you still see the scale of death weighing down and smashing the much greater picture of life whereas the rich feed and get fat; they take medicines and poison their spirits with lies and live a long time miserably or hellishly (and yes, there are those who are merry), and then you have poor, starving Ethiopians and all sorts of overpopulation and premature births and deaths. So it is infact closing in on us. Don't be fooled by the blessed or wealthy.
What good is long life for Adam if Eve died at 1 years of age? I tell you, rare cases of living 120, or even 90 years old hardly hold up and debate the existence of God and the truth of the afterlife and death--and the world's end. So don't even think it; because you ought to respect the unfortunate which is much greater. Every death counts.

MAN IS LIKE A TREE TO SOMETHING'S EYE; THE TREE DOES NOT HAVE EYES TO KNOW ITS INFERIORITY

Though you be born, and are alive, and you learn, and grow, and experience, mature, and witness, and live also to die, well, so a maggot is born, and is alive, and learns, and grows, and experiences, and matures, and witnesses things for itself, and die. A maggot has no eyes to see its body, although I myself can look upon it and say, “There is your appearance.” A maggot also has no eyes to see you, though you can look upon yourself and say, “Here am I.” A tree also will grow and be, and we will look upon it and say, “There thy tree’s appearance is seen.” And yet one who is greater than we will look upon us and say likewise, “See there! Your spirit is seen.”

DEATH TO A MAN WHO WILL DIE IS AS MYSTERIOUS AS BIRTH IS TO A FETUS WHO WILL BE BORN

Though you walk, and see yourself, and talk, you were once a growing fetus with closed eyes, who did not walk, or see yourself, or talk; and a doctor, or mother, or someone else alive could see your growing fetus and say, “There he is. There is his appearance, that of a fetal baby approaching to be born, with his eyes closed. This is what he is. The world and life I am in, the world and life in which I see, this is the world and life in which he will have been born to; this is the world and life in which he can see. He will open the eyes of his body.” And so still you were growing inside your mother with no sight of yourself, or the outside world. And so you separated from your mother’s body, who grew you as her own. And now you see your body, and know yourself, and walk, and talk, and live. And still, a spirit looks upon your spirit, growing inside your earth-born body (in which earth, a mother and her womb, grows and encloses you with as her own), and says, “There he is. This is his body, this is spirit. His eyes are closed, this is what he is. This is the world and life in which he will have been dead to. He will leave earth’s body and womb [your physical body], which he now lives in, and eats to compose, and will live again. He will open the eyes of his spirit.”

DEVELOPING POWERFUL RHETORICAL QUESTIONS TOWARD ATHEISTS IN FAVOR OF CHRIST: LEADING UNBELIEVERS TO REALIZATION

Evolutionists become ignorant of larger deeper meanings, or ideas. They look at changes in test studies and fossils to conclude evolution as fact, whereas they have not be looking at the relation of man to animal, or man to other life forms to conclude higher order and spirit-life as fact. So, I will explain to you using similar scientific techniques to prove to you that humans are not alone (and not necessarily alien life, as some of you have become accustomed to meaning we are not alone, but to spirits--angels, and demons, and then of course God). If a Darwinist can use relative references to describe its theory and existence, then so can I to elaborate or unveil some deeper assistance to helping you comprehend man's inferiority--so to say:
Anti-creationists and atheists who support evolution testify that maggots are living things, and all life comes from one source, but has evolved in different ways. So all life is equal, right? For we are equally old. And so they insult God and call him a "magical fantasy man" and use sarcasm and laugh at him. All the while advocating all life is equal; and so they testify that a maggot comes from the same evolution as men, but is less intelligent. And so while a maggot lives but has no eyes to see a man, they condemn their selves by not realizing that men are maggots in comparison just as well. We all eat from the same cycle of food, and come from the same life force, and tread the same earth. So if maggots are living and so are we, then it is only logical to suggest that we are maggots just as well in this earth to a larger being. We have no eyes so see the greater life around us (like maggots cannot see people, tho both of them come from the same "evolved" life source, and they are both living). So if we are so much greater than a maggot that is living and eating, but that has no eyes to see us, nor does it know what eyes and sight is, nor can it see its own body or the greater things around it to understand them, why is it that evolutionists so ignorantly ignore the fact that we are truly just the same. We cannot see our real bodies (like a maggot cannot see his; tho we can, and we can testify that it is wormlike and white), nor can we see the larger things going on around us (like a maggot has no eyes or intelligence to comprehend the humans around it). We all dwell beneath the trees, like maggots beneath the grass. We all eat from the same foods, etc. Isn't it possible that the wind and everything around us are part of beings we cannot see, and we, like maggots, just don't have eyes or the size and greatness to see the larger beings around us?
Surely if evolution explains something and scientific analysis can assume things not present, then these scientists can recognize just how small we really are. If a maggot cannot see us, what ensures us we are not being overpowered by a larger life-force like the human-to-maggot relationship? In fact we also see trees, but trees cannot see us. We eat of them, but they cannot see it. So what if these evil means, or spirits, are just life-forms (demons) eating away at the spirit like a man picking fruit from a tree that neither sees nor knows it is a tree, but only that it exists as a being.
And if a tree has such different compositions than humans, and so do the vast array of life forms, isn't it possible that there exist life forms who do not eat dirt, and dust? Their bodies are not comprised of such materials? A tree needs sunlight, and by it all other things eat and grow. And so then if plants are the bottom of the food chain, what if then sunlight, and water, and dirt, and spirit are all living bodies at the very bottom of the food chain, and in fact at the bottom of the food chain it in actuality doesn't get smaller and stop, but branches out into a huge separate world of spirits (who eat spirit for food), and light that eats light, and water that eats water (the rain drinks our water all day long) and the dirt which eats our flesh all day long by decaying.

Interesting reads christservant.... I like you!

christservant, what you wrote is refreshing!
Thanks.... well I don't know... Maybe you're even ready
to head into the spirituality/skeptics section. Who knows...
go bust out your wisdom on stubborn skeptics or something!

thanks. Refer this thread if you will; or, rather, if you find your faith in God strengthened by it. I certainly intend it to reach unbelievers and skeptics, as you suggest.

Honestly, no offense, but I just skimmed over what you wrote. What I read sounded pretty interesting.

I am just so bloody tired already of all the 'religious' threads. If I see one more Creation vs. Evolution thread I think I'll puke.

Honestly it is like every other thread is about God or Jesus or Evolution or Enoch or Whatever Religious Argument you feel like making.


I know it will never end...my ragging or not, I just feel like the whole forum is being taken over by Religious Zealots and Atheists and they are always arguing back and forth. Why can't you religious people just be content in your faith and you atheists just be content believing there is no God? It is just really getting irritating to even read the names of the Topics in the Spirituality and Skepticism forum. Some of you people really do get on my nerves and I am a somewhat laid back fellow. (You don't know who you are)

Get a life people!

...there...now I feel all better inside...

all your base are belong to us

it's a bitter cycle Joc...

They Zealot Christians come here and basicaly tell us to repent and convert and believe in what they do... The other christians come in and show their support.

Then the Athiests come here trying to disprove everything. The people of other religios beliefs come in to defend what they hold dear.

Then the Athiests make a post to try and show thier view... then the Zealots come in all hells bells, God's will or somebody elses fault... and get thier ire up. They feel it's an attack on them.

Then some of the Pagans decide, alright I'll post something about my beliefs. Sometimes the athiests say something, sometimes they don't... The Zealots come in and try to prove that those who worship other beliefs are stupid and are going to hell, or that they really are worshiping thier god, and should just consied(sp?) to it.

Then we have the mellow christians, like Joc, who gets ornery and yells at everyone to "Get off his lawn, ya damned kids!! And get me a beer!!"

;D

Christians' misconception of Christ!

Thats one distorted picture .....Jesus's eyes weren't that big.

It was actually Creation vs. Darwinism and Atheism. Not evolution. Evolution as a fact, I supported and attributed to creation, and God, and even gave you some insights on how to see and recognize this. Also, some insights on the adaptation of the afterlife as a real elemental environmental stressor (similar to the presence of oxygen, the afterlife is also a conforming element, truth, fact, and presence that life evolves and passes through--just as we pass through oxygen to breathe and become of it in order to conform to its presence. More appropriately; air.)

I also gave a theory, and for the sake of reuse, I shall call it "bloomstorm", in which God created life, and it simply piled over top off each other, or, birthed and grew like a branch or like a blooming flower. Transforming the environment, and as it did so, spreading out and entering different climates and environments on the earth itself, the very presence and stress of its very being, along with the fact that Death has not yet entered (just like oxygen would not enter without trees) to pass through, eat of, or grow and evolve and be birthed to (read my posts if you are confused by my terminology), and so as each transformation of earth grows and is birthed and reproduced by the ever increasing or growing storm of life, the transformation of earth itself (and don't tell me there is no transformation; a tree on a barren landscape is transforming enough to, by its presence and creation, transform the next life form to be produced--if you are reproduced in a world with one tree as opposed to no trees at all, then you are conforming to very different environment and stressor; and with the simplicity of life increasing, or, storming and blooming, the stresses simply overlap and grow for each new life being produced), then the very presence of these other life forms and different environment and place in the world will in effect, as evolution and adaptation proves, simply give birth and create a hugely noticeable wide range of species and creatures.

Whereas a monkey can give birth to a gorilla, and a gorilla a human (just for example; this may not be historically accurate.) As long as death is not existent, the stress of death and the afterlife is simply not present. Therefore things like thorns, and other life threatening dangers are absent. You don't have the weight of the overshadowing afterlife above you in your lifetime, to where you are completely compressed by the event of death itself. Therefore evolution, adaptation, growth, and creation (or, the process of "bloomstorm" as we shall call it in order for easy reference) would simply bloom and with a heavy hand you would see life in its vast array and perfection. Then when death occurs, all life, adaptation, and evolution (the bloomstorm) is so extremely stunted and compressed by the process of rebirth, or, death, that most necessity and importance is located in the process of rebirth (death) itself. Whereas, a baby conforms to the outside world, although it has never entered it, so we conform to the outside world of afterlife, although we are yet to inhabit it. Being that a baby must grow to the truth of this world, we also are now compressed to the truth of the afterlife and grow to conform to it. Which is why evolution and all science and whatnot cannot understand anything. Because science refuses to acknowledge the afterlife, or the presence of a prior world without death, in which the very minute detail of the vast ecosystem of life is teetering on this one little fact: the ecosystem and earth is a fetus, and without death, it grew and blossomed like an immortal glorious flower, until this fetus, like humans and the smaller fields of life forms in the ecosystem, became just that; a growing fetus in which we are blossoming toward the birth of earth.

Whereas a living creature blossoms and blooms, earth without death blossomed and bloomed. But, like a fetus blossoming to be born, so now this bloomstorm of life prior to death is subject to rebirth; or, death. So now it grows and expands like the pulsating of a breathing chest, until as I explained through the synnegi process, it will, just as the Bible foretells, induce the paths of heaven and hell through death. Therefore, on the greater scale to us, earth in its rebirth from the bloomstorm (in which all life blossomed into the vast array of trees, plants, monkeys, and men--and etc.) where it is now subject to death is just like a flower. A flower blooms, and then shrivels, dries, and burns up in the drying of the sun and heat, and decomposes. But on this greater scale, you see where earth, the fostering of our bodies and the flower in which I use the analogy, is also the body that decomposes the flower and exhales its water into the clouds--to give birth to heaven, or, a solid white earth. This heaven, or, clouds, as I explain in synnegi, is really just earth, after the bloomstorm of creation, going through death (or, birth) and as a baby is born into a person, so earth and life is born into heaven. But, then where is the decomposing earth? Surely a decomposing earth exists, since when we die and are reborn in spirit, the bodies we leave behind decompose on earth and serve as signs.

You fool! Don't ask stupid questions. I said it gives birth to the heavens. If we are reborn into heaven, we of lower stature, then earth being heaven reborn becomes hell--it is enclosed in the clouds of heaven, and becomes a molten furnace. Whereas the heavens, or, the clouds become the new earth. The new surface. A solid white ball, by all means.

It's the reality of ascension and descension in our home--earth. Earth is our home; but heaven is the eternal home. Or, hell. You make that choice. For womb, or for heaven?

I question also if he had long hair. 1Corinthians, I believe it is, tells us that long hair is the glory of a woman. Man ought to prophecy with his head uncovered.

St. Pauli Girl Dark Please........

Christservant,

Please don't take this the wrong way...but you talk too much.

Seriously your posts are too long. I don't have the patience to read that much of anything....especially someone explaining their beliefs and all.

HEY YA'LL,
Here it is in a nut shell. Forgive each other and God will forgive you. If you won't forgive each other God won't forgive you. There it is folks...the entire Gospel of Jesus Christ....Now get off of my damn lawn!

...As joc turns the sprinklers on full blast with a yard full of bickering people...he walks inside and cranks up his stereo to maximum level blasting B.B. King and opens up a fresh beer whilst loading his favorite 12 gauge with rock salt...

christservant..

we have to talk about these otherwise what would be the whole point of this forum?

It would be quite boring if everyone agreed

Gotta love them old ornery types, right?

I can see it now:

"So, wanna know what I believe?"

All: "We know."

"Yeah well I think-"

"Us too."

I take it this is your definition of Creationism?

Well, can't say too much about. It is, after all, a description that you have given concerning your beliefs. While I respect your right to believe it, there really isn't any reason given to accept it as anything other than your word on the matter though, is there? A person such as myself, who has never heard of you, doesn't know anything about you, and only hears the story that you have given, would be a fool to simply accept what you say without verification. After all, there is no way of knowing how credible you are on the matter.

So, ultimately, all I can consider it is a definition of your specific brand of Creationism. Nothing less, nothing more.

More of the same; speculation and outright fabrication. You still haven't given anything to support this idea of "Synnegi". You simply proceed under the assumption that it actually works. Heck, I've read you first two posts twice now (and, incidentally, you seriously need to shorten your posts. This, coming from me, should alert some to how long they truly are), and I still can't come up with a firm definition of Synnegi.

All you are really doing here is preaching. This is your particular brand of Judeo-christianity. What exactly are we supposed to do with this?

LOL

I should have stopped reading earlier.......

In the previous sermon you gave, there was a smattering of scientific terminology, not really precisely defined, but anough to suffice for a story such as this. In this one, you make several fairly will guesses about certain things, too much even for the fairly broad tolerances of religious speech.



The sun's spectrum isn't all that much greater than a bonfire's. In fact, they are all but identical (until you start talking about the X-rays and such). In all cases, no matter how much more powerful stars in another place were, we would still not find any such thing as unknown colors for the very simple reason that the human eye can only see a very narrow region of the light spectrum, and that region is more than completely covered by any source of white light on earth, be it the sun, a bonfire, or a match.

Other than this, again, there is absolutely nothing else to your sermon other than religious speculation. Possibly of interest to like-minded individuals, but to an atheist such as myself, somewhat dull and over-extended.

Again, nothing more than your sermon. There isn't even something like a logical trail that would interest a person who doesn't believe in God.

Ah, possibly a glimmer of hope that something resembling an argument is forthcoming?



Ahh...well, okay, so long as you eventually support your description with actual imperical and objective evidence. After all, metaphors are hardly explanations of reality.



Wait, all life is equal because we are equally old? Where did that come from? Where is the sense in that? Are you judging equality soley on the basis of age? Why are you judging equality to begin with? Why would 'anti-creationists and atheists' judge life in any way shape or form?



Let's not generalize, shall we? Insults are no more a property of atheism than extremist is a property of religion.



Scientific analysis cannot assume things that are not present. The closest it can come to that is to logically deduce it, and even at that point, nothing can be built on that foundation until evidence is found to support that deduction. Regardless, none of this relates to the metaphysical. Science is a system to understand the natural world, nothing more.

A few too many assumptions and imprecise science going on here. Frankly, it is starting to sound like the typical creationist straw man argument; set up a false definition of science, then knock it down.

Give me a Scientific analysis or shut up!

Not a scientific theory. In order to be a scientific theory, it must meet, at a minimum, the five-prerequisites of scientific methodology. Yours does not.

Christservants, you came to the thread I began and invited me to come to this one. Normally, I do not come into threads of this kind. If people wish to preach and believe in religious stories, that is their concern, not mine. My concern is science. The only time that I involve myself is when something claims that it is science, but refuses to follow the rules. In this case, I was invited by you to look over you writing and give my opinion. My opinion is that all this is nothing more than your opinion, and not supported by anything that has been observed in the real world. It is completely and totally subjective, dependent on reader bias for credibility, and has absolutely no way of being falsified. In other words, it is not scientifically credible.

I sincerely doubt that means anything to you. You are, after all, faithful, and simply because something cannot be verified by science, it is not going to stop you from believing. More power to you. As long as you do not claim anything that you say is science, I have no issue with it.

Now, if you wish to post a scientific argument, my thread remains open. Please remember that in my thread, at a minimum, I request a clear definition of Creationism, a theory concerning that definition, and evidence supporting that theory. Oh, and if you could, please keep it concise. A science based thread is not the place for religious sermon or speculation.

I would, but I can't find any to analyze!

Creationists and Evolutionists, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up!

jajajaja..i love those Bruce Lee animated gifs

How haven't I given you anything to support synnegi? I gave you scriptural references (many of them), beyond which I gave you scientific observation. Death creates deserts, and deserts increase and create global-warming. Moreover, the only thing I can fail to support is that all the water will evaporate into the sky as all life dies--this can only be an assumption, beyond which we can all assume using the theory that rainforests and vegetation and all life bring about cooling; otherwise they bring about dryness.

Your assumption is based on a scientific guess that all life began in the sea, although they still require soily elements, sunlight, oxygen, and water. At this point the earth somehow existed in its mighty form for so long until it eventually evolved and we overtook the world to be humans now. This is a huge leap and assumption; why then is my more realistic assumptions supporting Biblical Scripture somehow less worthy? It is, afterall, a guess. Since none of us possess time itself to show each other.

Moreover, understanding preceeds guessing. Therefore, I will not be discouraged for my more realistic descriptions and informations. Darwinism and atheism on the other hand is simply ignorant and denying of religion; while they pursue their own assumptions and beliefs of nothing, spreading like a cursed disease, forcing people to conform to their own denial and disbelief, in which everyone is somehow assumed to inherently conform to their godless standards, or otherwise shutup.

Far be it.

I am not here in a scientific debate. If I were, I would be more scientific than faithful by nature. If you, by your reasoning and understanding, cannot comprehend the truth of my message, or simply challenge a specific message, I suggest you stop the holier-than-thou persona and givein. What do you desire? Because I desire to teach the Word, and you desire to attack me. Therefore, give me specifics. I am not writing a bibliography or thesis. If I were, I would still wish to have more than just your negatively pressured views on "sermons" and the like.

Moreover, a bonfire's spectrum is much weaker than the suns. The moon's spectrum also. Whether or not we have the specific ability to sense a color does not disregard its importance or fact. A colored-blind individual is no less of value than a man who sees fine. Moreover, a spiritual body is no less (and make no mistake, this is a spiritual forum, if you didn't wish to respect it, then why did you come here?) real than a physical body. God himself possesses more truths than the human eye can see.

A fetus cannot sense as much as born adult. A dream is less vivid than reality. You cannot by your pointing out of what we lack in our inferiority somehow disregard the importance and subjection of the greater.

Why would they judge? Because it is by fact that parents, government, etc. have more authority to children, or civilians. Also, humans have more authority than a dog. If you wish to be an anarchist, that is a different story. Anarchy is not atheism.



Disbelieving in God, your Creator, is insulting; make no mistake.



By this basis, nothing can be proven unless it is presently physically available. Don't make your own definitions.



You set up a false definition. Science observes the world around us and then draws conclusions. I used scientific analysis to support Biblical Word, and then explain it to those who can't understand it. There is still a line between faith and fact. Moreover, scientists have to have faith that dinosaurs existed. Please don't attack religion by standards that would also attack scientific theoretical fact; such as dinosaurs existing.

I'm sorry, but you speak like science is a religion. By this standard, you condemn yourself and your reliability; just as you condemn religion. Justify yourself if you wish to argue, because I can assure you, you are explaining science as a religion.

Moreover, I invited you only because you asked me a question. I told you if you wish to hear my opinion and stance to a question you asked, then come to this thread to find it. It was more of a welcome, not an invite. Although you are still welcome.

By the way, this is a spirituality forum; if you wish to worship science, then go to the appropriate subforum category. You may be mistaken in your claim, because I assure you, I am in the right place, you are not by this claim.

aquatus1:My concern is science.christservant:I am not here in a scientific debate.

I'm sorry it's a lot to read, but please don't disrespect my thread. If you don't like what I have to say, there are plenty of other threads.

Those individuals willing to read what I say and who have patience seem interested by it. See page one.
Those who read it and don't like it will say otherwise; but woe to those who do not endure and yet disbelieve.

Please, stop overlaying your beliefs on those who do not follow that path, christservent. You may feel that God is your creator, that's fine. But not everyone does, inclueding myself.

And then when I respond in kind, people scream about it and say Im not fair and I should be banned, just like atrueoriginall did.

That's because you hurt their way of life and thinking

This is hypocritical.

I'm sorry, but there have been many people responding to this thread with disinterest. It's an overwhelming pressure; and I do stand by what I said.

But, I just found a likewise overwhelming support and justification for my synnegi explanation; whereat? The Book of Enoch the Prophet.

Oh, yes, when you read what I am about to post, not only will you see that my observations are quite logically accurate, and Scripturally accurate, but they are simply undeniably reaffirmed in the Book of Enoch.

It's not some wild coincidence either. What I am about to show you, since I just read it last night, will show you that I my estimates have been very accurate. And, I tell you, the God of Enoch, the God of the Bible, and my God are all the same God. Stay tined.

is it? I'm asking you to stop trying to make everyone worship like you.

I'm not trying to overlay my beliefs onto you.
There's no "Soon as you relize we're all Mother Earth's children, the better" Only that, but with God instead, with you.

You're pushing yourself onto people here who do not believe the same way like some cheap salesman trying to beat out his quota. Back off.

Logically accurate to call atheism a disease? I can call religion a virus or a disease, and not a dormant one at that... but I dont, because I try not to be the agressor. Maybe you shouldnt go around calling atheism a disease and calling people who dont follow you ignorant?

There are longer posts then these, you know. You're just picking on him
for no good reason.


Sounds like you had a bad day SilverCougar. Whats all the fuss? He is just sharing his beliefs.


Maybe he was comparing it to a disease because of the fact that it spreads so
uncontrollably.

Christservant isnt working hard to present the truth. Christservant is trying to portray his belief *as* the truth.

SilverCougar:Back off.christservant:This is hypocritical.

And religion does and did not?