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Fluffybunny
Boy hitler was just full of crazy ideas...what a jerk.(I am going for understatement of the century)


But leading German general refused to obey order, newspaper says
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) -- Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler gave one of his generals a direct order to kidnap Pope Pius XII during World War II but the officer did not obey, Italy's leading Roman Catholic newspaper reported.

Avvenire, which is owned by the Italian Conference of Roman Catholic bishops, said new details of the plot had emerged in documents presented to the Vatican in favor of putting the controversial wartime Pontiff on the road to sainthood.

Elements of alleged plots to abduct the pope during Germany's occupation of Italy have already emerged in the past from some historians, but Avvenire's full-page report said its details were new.

Avvenire said Hitler feared the pope would be an obstacle to his plans for global domination and because the dictator wanted to eventually abolish Christianity and impose National Socialism as a sort of new global religion.

The newspaper said a plot that was code named Operation Rabat had originally been planned for 1943 but was not carried out that year for unspecified reasons.

It said that in 1944, shortly before the Germans retreated from Rome, SS General Karl Friedrich Otto Wolff, a senior occupation officer in Italy, had been ordered by Hitler to kidnap the pope.

According to the newspaper, Wolff returned to Rome from his meeting with Hitler in Germany and arranged for a secret meeting with the pope. Wolff went to the Vatican in civilian clothes at night with the help of a priest.

The newspaper said Wolff told the pope of Hitler's orders and assured him he had no intention of carrying them out himself, but warned the pontiff to be careful "because the situation (in Rome) was confused and full of risks."

Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini had already fallen and set up a German-backed puppet regime in northern Italy. The German occupation of Rome was in its dying days. Allied forces were advancing on the capital, which they liberated on June 5, 1944.

As a test of Wolff's good faith, Pope Pius asked for him to free two Italian resistance leaders who had been condemned to death. Wolff arranged for them to be released, the paper said.

Road to sainthood
Avvenire said the details of the plot are in testimony Wolff gave before he died in Germany to Church officials accumulating evidence to back efforts to have Pius eventually made a saint.

But the reports of Hitler's contempt for Pius have contrasted with other versions by historians and authors who have depicted Pius as being pro-German and have accused him of intentionally turning a blind eye to the Holocaust.

The Vatican's procedures to put Pius on the road to sainthood have not been slowed or shelved despite concerns from Jews, and they will enter a new phase in March when Vatican historians will begin discussing many volumes of documentation.

The Vatican maintains that Pius did not speak out more strongly because he feared it would worsen the fate of Catholics and Jews, and that he worked behind the scenes to save Jews.

Pius's pontificate has been one of the trickiest problems in post-war Catholic-Jewish relations.

In 1998, there was widespread Jewish discontent with a Vatican document called "We Remember, a Reflection on the Shoah," which effectively absolved Pius of accusations that he facilitated the Holocaust by remaining silent.

But the current pontiff, Pope John Paul, has strongly defended Pius and once called him "a great pope."

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Heavens Angel
I heard hitlers grandparents were actually Jewish themselves. I don't know if it's true or not thoe.
Dando Kast
QUOTE(Heavens Angel @ Jan 15 2005, 05:37 PM)
I heard hitlers grandparents were actually Jewish themselves. I don't know if it's true or not thoe.
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They were, on his mothers side........ so yes... that means Hitler WAS Jewish
BurnSide
Kinda like Lord Voldemort hates all half-bloods, but is a half-blood himself! Oooooooo!!
girty1600
Damn muggles!
Erikl
NO, Hitler wasn't Jewish, although the myth is pretty common, even among Jews themselves wacko.gif.

The myth orginated in the Nazi party itself in the 20s, by his adveseries.
It claimed that his grandmother got prognant while being a nany in a Jewish house in some town in Germany.
The myth was refuted after WW2, when it was discovered that there were no Jews in that town untill the end of the 19th century, and more importantly - there was no family by that "Jewish" name in that town when his grandmother worked there.
Boff
Yah ive heard the "hitler was a jew" thing as well. Not true tho.


Maybe Mythbusters should look into this...
Slater
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6830236/

Interesting to speculate what influence this would have had on the course of WW2 in Europe, if any.
Hotoke
i heard hitler and stalin were brothers or family. they were both family of rotschild
Erikl
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Jan 15 2005, 11:17 PM)
i heard hitler and stalin were brothers or family. they were both family of rotschild
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laugh.gif LOL!

Stalin was a Georgian, not even Russian, and defenitely not Jewish tongue.gif.
Hitler was Austrian, and again, didn't have any known Jewish origins.

The Rotschild family were actually British Jews tongue.gif, who had nothing to do with Stalin or Hitler wacko.gif.
BurnSide
Youah insultah thee Pope.

*points to sky*

SMITE DEM!



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He'sa cookin sometin up.
Hotoke
i also heard genghis khan was the great grandfather of hitler
BurnSide
hahaha you HAVE to be joking?

Hulk Hogan is my love child, in that case.
Dando Kast
So Hitler wasn't a Jew..... it all makes sense now......
BurnSide
'Pooope, the floor is nota hamper.'

'Aww man!!!'
Boff
Family Guy=#1
riotboy555
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jan 15 2005, 09:57 PM)
Kinda like Lord Voldemort hates all half-bloods, but is a half-blood himself! Oooooooo!!
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crying.gif thanks for ruining it!
AztecInca
Well he was just a disgrace of a human being who would do anything at all to gain more power and rid the world of jewish people. He was a sick, sadistic, pyschotic monster who deserves to rot in hell!
Something like this, is easily believable!
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