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thefirstman
Hey Xeno,could you tell where this psion guild is?or how to get to the website,i have some queries i must find the answer for.i know this is off topic sorry.
Sanguinox.com
As a real day vampire I can assure you all we do exist. Perhaps not in the mythological way that the movies would like you to believe, but then hey real day witches do not ride brooms neither.

Real life vampirism is a common fact and not really hidden anymore. There are two main types of vampires.

1. Sanguine (Latin for blood). A Vampire who consumes human blood (commonly from a human ‘donor’ who is willing to let them feed).
2. Psychic vampire (Psyvamp) / Psi vampire
Someone who "drains" life-energy (prana, chi, life-force, whatever) rather than blood from others. Psi-vampires may or may not consume blood as a means of extracting pranic energy.
Though the two terms refer to the same critter, they do so with different meanings in mind. Some insist on calling psy-vampires "psi-vampires", and insist that "psy-vampire" is incorrect, and then proceed to "prove it" by splitting etymological hairs. I disagree. There is a distinction which needs to be made between the two terms. "Psy" is merely short-hand for "psychic", and psychic vampires are called such because they feed psychically, as opposed to physically. However, it could be argued that psi is the auric/life energy where as psychic is actually now thought to be shared thoughtwaves from a collective consciousness. So "psi-vampire" refers to what they feed upon, whereas "psy-vampire" refers to how they feed. Not infrequently, psi-vamps may also experience the Thirst in varying degrees of intensity, and in fact, there are many similarities in condition between the psi-vamps and the sanguinarians, with the main difference being, so far as I can see, the psi-vamps' need to drain pranic energy, and ability to do so.

Research does wonders and with todays vast resources on the internet perhaps those who care if vampires exist or even wish to know more about them did more fact finding then gum flapping most would not be as ignorant to the truth.

Regards.
The Nameless One
QUOTE (Sanguinox.com @ Nov 23 2003, 04:30 AM)
As a real day vampire I can assure you all we do exist. Perhaps not in the mythological way that the movies would like you to believe, but then hey real day witches do not ride brooms neither.

Real life vampirism is a common fact and not really hidden anymore. There are two main types of vampires.

1. Sanguine (Latin for blood). A Vampire who consumes human blood (commonly from a human ‘donor’ who is willing to let them feed).
2. Psychic vampire (Psyvamp) / Psi vampire
Someone who "drains" life-energy (prana, chi, life-force, whatever) rather than blood from others. Psi-vampires may or may not consume blood as a means of extracting pranic energy.
Though the two terms refer to the same critter, they do so with different meanings in mind. Some insist on calling psy-vampires "psi-vampires", and insist that "psy-vampire" is incorrect, and then proceed to "prove it" by splitting etymological hairs. I disagree. There is a distinction which needs to be made between the two terms. "Psy" is merely short-hand for "psychic", and psychic vampires are called such because they feed psychically, as opposed to physically. However, it could be argued that psi is the auric/life energy where as psychic is actually now thought to be shared thoughtwaves from a collective consciousness. So "psi-vampire" refers to what they feed upon, whereas "psy-vampire" refers to how they feed. Not infrequently, psi-vamps may also experience the Thirst in varying degrees of intensity, and in fact, there are many similarities in condition between the psi-vamps and the sanguinarians, with the main difference being, so far as I can see, the psi-vamps' need to drain pranic energy, and ability to do so.

Research does wonders and with todays vast resources on the internet perhaps those who care if vampires exist or even wish to know more about them did more fact finding then gum flapping most would not be as ignorant to the truth.

Regards.

What a load of crap I must say drain my psychic powers or energy then, Im sure the next thing you will tell us is that the Aids virus was spawned from Vampires having sex with Humans, and that is why there is no cure for it because the Virus is Immortal because it came from your Species DNA.

Go fly, away to Transylvania and tell your blood buddies that The Nameless One has an Atom Bomb ready to drop on your species shadowy asses!!!! devil.gif

You my friend play way too much Vampire the Masquerade. thumbsup.gif
Sanguinox.com
QUOTE (The Nameless One @ Nov 23 2003, 06:29 AM)
QUOTE (Sanguinox.com @ Nov 23 2003, 04:30 AM)
As a real day vampire I can assure you all we do exist. Perhaps not in the mythological way that the movies would like you to believe, but then hey real day witches do not ride brooms neither.

Real life vampirism is a common fact and not really hidden anymore. There are two main types of vampires.

1. Sanguine (Latin for blood). A Vampire who consumes human blood (commonly from a human ‘donor’ who is willing to let them feed).
2. Psychic vampire (Psyvamp) / Psi vampire
Someone who "drains" life-energy (prana, chi, life-force, whatever) rather than blood from others. Psi-vampires may or may not consume blood as a means of extracting pranic energy.
Though the two terms refer to the same critter, they do so with different meanings in mind. Some insist on calling psy-vampires "psi-vampires", and insist that "psy-vampire" is incorrect, and then proceed to "prove it" by splitting etymological hairs. I disagree. There is a distinction which needs to be made between the two terms. "Psy" is merely short-hand for "psychic", and psychic vampires are called such because they feed psychically, as opposed to physically. However, it could be argued that psi is the auric/life energy where as psychic is actually now thought to be shared thoughtwaves from a collective consciousness. So "psi-vampire" refers to what they feed upon, whereas "psy-vampire" refers to how they feed. Not infrequently, psi-vamps may also experience the Thirst in varying degrees of intensity, and in fact, there are many similarities in condition between the psi-vamps and the sanguinarians, with the main difference being, so far as I can see, the psi-vamps' need to drain pranic energy, and ability to do so.

Research does wonders and with todays vast resources on the internet perhaps those who care if vampires exist or even wish to know more about them did more fact finding then gum flapping most would not be as ignorant to the truth.

Regards.

What a load of crap I must say drain my psychic powers or energy then, Im sure the next thing you will tell us is that the Aids virus was spawned from Vampires having sex with Humans, and that is why there is no cure for it because the Virus is Immortal because it came from your Species DNA.

Go fly, away to Transylvania and tell your blood buddies that The Nameless One has an Atom Bomb ready to drop on your species shadowy asses!!!! devil.gif

You my friend play way too much Vampire the Masquerade. thumbsup.gif

Come back and discus this when you have a maturity level higher then a 10 year old.

Rants show nothing but utter ignorance and self delusion.

Regards
Phantom
So Sanguinox, do you consider yourself a supernatural creature? Assuming you are a "Sanguine", do you think you need blood to survive, or is it just about fulfilling a need, comparable with, e.g., a sexual desire?

The Nameless One
The Nameless One is very Immature, all Humans are Immature, it is in our nature to be this way. thumbsup.gif

Is it not in a Sanguins nature to be Immature? grin2.gif
Sanguinox.com
QUOTE (Phantom @ Nov 23 2003, 06:43 AM)
So Sanguinox, do you consider yourself a supernatural creature? Assuming you are a "Sanguine", do you think you need blood to survive, or is it just about fulfilling a need, comparable with, e.g., a sexual desire?

Supernatural, no I do not believe so. There is nothing supernatural about vampires. We are just ‘human’ as any one else.

As for the type of vampire I am, I am both sanguine and psi. It is more of a need then a desire, one can simply pass off a desire if need be, where when there is a need one must either seek it out or find a substitute to get one by.

When one is both psi and sanguine it is easier due to when you are with out a donor you still can ‘feed’.

Some can get very ill if they do not feed, very week such as you would if you did not eat food for a week.

But before people start thinking we go off into the night and just attack this is very far from true.

A lot of ‘donors’ are out there which allow for sanguine vampires to feed off of someone willing.

Regards
Sanguinox.com
QUOTE (The Nameless One @ Nov 23 2003, 06:53 AM)
The Nameless One is very Immature, all Humans are Immature, it is in our nature to be this way. thumbsup.gif

Is it not in a Sanguins nature to be Immature? grin2.gif

Immaturity is a waste of my time. I prefer an ‘adult’ outlook and conversation. Perhaps that is due to I am an adult.

So feel free to be immature but do not expect me to reply to you after.

Regards
The Nameless One
QUOTE (Sanguinox.com @ Nov 23 2003, 06:56 AM)

As for the type of vampire I am, I am both sanguine and psi. It is more of a need then a desire, one can simply pass off a desire if need be, where when there is a need one must either seek it out or find a substitute to get one by.

When one is both psi and sanguine it is easier due to when you are with out a donor you still can ‘feed’.

Some can get very ill if they do not feed, very week such as you would if you did not eat food for a week.

But before people start thinking we go off into the night and just attack this is very far from true.

A lot of ‘donors’ are out there which allow for sanguine vampires to feed off of someone willing.

Regards

Why dont you just go out, and get a couple of cheeseburgers, and buy a Six pack of Beer. thumbsup.gif

The Nameless One loves Beer. thumbsup.gif

P.S. Did Vampires really start the Aids Virus from having sex with Humans? Honestly Ive actually heard this before. wink2.gif

The Nameless One
Actually if Sanguinox wants. The Nameless One will Blow his mind away, for The Nameless One is the Smartest person in this Forum.

Wanna Play? whistling2.gif
Phantom
QUOTE (The Nameless One @ Nov 23 2003, 09:07 AM)
Actually if Sanguinox wants. The Nameless One will Blow his mind away, for The Nameless One is the Smartest person in this Forum.

Wanna Play? whistling2.gif

That is quite an assumption you're making there, TNO. How do you know that? There are quite a lot of smart people on this forum who don't like bragging. original.gif

So, yeah. I'll play. What shall we discuss? And, please, let's not resolve to vague concepts and semi-philosophical phrases like : God is an Infinite Random Mathematical Equation. God is the Order found in Chaos, Residing in a Chaotic state while still Retaining Order.

Because, really, that is nothing more than jibberish, created for the sole intention of sounding smart by using a lot of buzz words.

I'll accept the fact that you're smart, no, assume the fact that you're smart. But, the smartest? No, you'll have to make better posts than you did so far before I tend to believe that. thumbsup.gif
gollum
QUOTE
Actually if Sanguinox wants. The Nameless One will Blow his mind away, for The Nameless One is the Smartest person in this Forum.


You may be book smart my friend, but i've read your threads and i think your actually full of yourself.

What you really want to do is go away and put your brain in gear before you decide to slate other peoples comments!

And as for "wanna play", i'll play...... when you grow up! disgust.gif
The Nameless One
QUOTE (Phantom @ Nov 23 2003, 01:17 PM)

Because, really, that is nothing more than jibberish, created for the sole intention of sounding smart by using a lot of buzz words.

I'll accept the fact that you're smart, no, assume the fact that you're smart. But, the smartest? No, you'll have to make better posts than you did so far before I tend to believe that. thumbsup.gif

Ok Mr. Phantom your on, Lets say best out of three, you pick the first topic, Ill pick the second topic, and we will let the others in the forum decide the 3rd Topic. thumbsup.gif

Oh, and after you Im challenging Sanguinox. If he is Vampire or Man enough to accept.
Second of all The Nameless One doesn't appreciate his idea of God being a load of jibberish to get peoples attention. That is only your belief, but let it be known that it is only meant to Enlighten People, to my idea that this could very well be a possibilty. Can you think of God in a better more Scientific point of view than I.
I dont know, I doubt it, and Hope not or you should be the one going to Physics class. Maybe Im wrong and maybe you will smash my ideas to the ground, but there is only one way to find out.

So pick your topic. Math, Chaos, Ancient Civilization, Philosophy, Religion, History, Government and Politics, Psychology, Science, Name that Place, Important People, Television, Music, Movies, Anthropology, Archeology, Psychic Phenomena, Good vs. Evil, Space, God, Famous writers and Directors, Health and Fitness, and Finally Geography.

It can be only one of these Topics but I think I covered a great deal of stuff. thumbsup.gif
The Nameless One
Oh and one more thing This is for you Phantom and I guess Golam also. What I was trying to do by saying that I am the smartest person in here is to get a point across to Sanguinox, I just wanted to see how much he was full of himself.
I did not mean By any means whatsoever try to make anyone in here think that the rest of you are not smart or equally as smart as I. I am sorry If you Misunderstood that, I was just trying to get a rise out of the VAMPIRE KNOWN AS SANGUINOX. thumbsup.gif

BUT THIS DOES NOT DISMISS THE FACT THAT YOU DID CHALLENGE ME PHANTOM, AND BELIEVE ME, I WILL BACK UP MY CLAIM. BUT IT ALSO DOES NOT DIMISS THE FACT THAT THE NAMELESS ONE ONLY HAS LOVE TO GIVE, EVEN IF HE COMES OFF AS BEING A JERK WHO IS IMMATURE. thumbsup.gif

HONESTLY MUCH MUCH LOVE. grin2.gif
Mentalcase
*hmmm, this thread is a post away from getting locked. disgust.gif
Phantom
QUOTE (The Nameless One @ Nov 24 2003, 06:06 AM)
Second of all The Nameless One doesn't appreciate his idea of God being a load of jibberish to get peoples attention. That is only your belief, but let it be known that it is only meant to Enlighten People, to my idea that this could very well be a possibilty. Can you think of God in a better more Scientific point of view than I.

The point is, your idea of God isn't scientific at all. Far from it. What I think is that you just decided to throw a bunch of vague concepts on a pile, stur it up and this is what you came up with. This, as said earlier, for the sole purpose of sweeping people off their feet and trying to sound smart.

But really, if I said something like:

God is an Infinite String of Prime Numbers, bound by Eternal Byproducts of Chaos and thus, residing in this Mathematical State, both Able and Unable to find Order in its own Eternity.

it would make practically as much (or little) sense as your "idea of God".

But, we're off to play. I can choose from the subjects you provided. I could get philosophical and question Free Will in that, since you limited the variety of subjects. But I won't act funny and choose philosophy as the subject at hand.

I enjoy our discussions. Thank you for that. thumbsup.gif


The Nameless One
Thank you, for I to enjoy our discussions.
So Philosophy it is correct? grin2.gif
Nax
QUOTE (Sundance @ Jul 7 2003, 07:06 PM)
I do know that the first vampire was Lilith, Adam's first wife.

Wasn't Lilith Frasier Crane's first wife? tongue.gif
Nax
Oh... that was immature of me to post that wasn't it? wacko.gif
Mentalcase
QUOTE (Nax @ Nov 24 2003, 11:27 AM)
Oh... that was immature of me to post that wasn't it? wacko.gif

Not immature, just off Topic.
mystery solver (EXPERT)
Ok vampires are as real as the person who se's they are real. Now where i stand on this topic they are indeed real there have been cases that where a humans canine teeth were larger then normal for instents mine are fairly large and my grate ansester is Dracula so i belive i m at least halfh vampire.
Mentalcase
QUOTE (mystery solver (EXPERT) @ Nov 24 2003, 12:38 PM)
Ok vampires are as real as the person who se's they are real. Now where i stand on this topic they are indeed real there have been cases that where a humans canine teeth were larger then normal for instents mine are fairly large and my grate ansester is Dracula so i belive i m at least halfh vampire.

I'm so happy an expert has finally put a rest to this topic. Now I can sleep again. thank you. original.gif
Phantom
I myself am honored to have an expert among us. We could use a bit of common sense.

MC - don't we have an opening for a Cryptozoologic Expert on the board?
Mentalcase
Well, I think so, but if he is an expert in solving mysteries, then after he is done, we can finally get the domain www.Solved-Mysteries.com. Something I have been waiting for, for years it seems. wink2.gif
reese2
Not only an expert, but he has some famous blood in him too.. (no pun intended) What a real treat this is for us all......... whistling2.gif


Thistle
LMAO

So I guess we just need to find people who are half bigfoot, half Loch Ness Monster, half Chupacabra, half Zombie and half Alien. Can't be that hard can it.


laugh.gif laugh.gif
reese2
As they say Thistle, the world is a mixing pot..... LMAO laugh.gif
Great Big Sea
I do believe in vampires, (I watched last Saturday's episode of Unexplained Mysteries) and they had a couple of people- a man and a woman who said that they were vampires. They didn't suck people's blood like tv vamps do. They just have their own beliefs. The woman sucked some blood but she had the permission of her friend(s) before she did it. So I have to say that the're are vampires on this earth- but their not evil like Count Dracula. original.gif
Seraphina
There's a huge difference between a 'vampire' and a weirdo who enjoys drinking their friend's blood. I knew a guy who's girlfriend used to get off by cutting his arm with a razor blade and drinking his blood...I never met her, and I'm strangely thankful for that dontgetit.gif

I'm been exchanging a great many PMs with Thyruxsis about Vamps...mostly about the genetic holes in the theory behind them...I still hold that the idea of vampirism probably stemmed from a group of people who did enjoy sucking people's blood...didn't mean they lived on it, and doesn't mean they sapped any kind of 'spiritual energy' from it....just means they were crazy huh.gif

Vampires were romantisised by Bram Stoker...*whispers to mystery solver* You do know that Dracula was a fictional character, right dude? Lay off the pot, okay? wink2.gif

P.S: The rumours are true, Cuda has the single cutest avatar ever devised by mortal man.
Ruthie
Vampires..

Well to state my opinion very short:
I do not belive there are REAL vampires, but I do belive there are people who BELIEVES they are vampires!

Hugs from Ruthie.
-off to see "The Osbournes"!!! LOVE THAT SHOW!!!! grin2.gif
AngelicWitch
My opinion on vampires is very strong. I have done report after report on vampirism and on mythical vampires. Vampires were born out of truth like so many myths out there. At one time Vampires never drank blood for survival. They were men who died horrible deaths and never realized they were dead and arose to seek revenge among family and even friends. In some myths there were vampires who were like witches who stood in trees and watched little children walk by and they will attack them and drink their blood. The stories go on for centuries.

The existence of holly wood vampires came from writers not just Bram Stokers Dracula before then there was Barney the Vampire and a few other tales that slipped my mind. Dracula however was the most popular and the most feared. Bram Stoker took his idea from three individual people, Elizabeth Bathory for her undying blood for young women, Jack the Ripper for his ways of killing whores, and the most notorious Vlad Tepes who was the impingement of what Dracula was and still is. Though over time the tale of Dracula changed through new ideas... Like in Dracula 2000 he was Judas.

Modern Vampirism is a far cry from the vampire existence that we all see in books and movies/ TV shows. Vampirism from my knowledge on the subject is a birth defect (well that is best term I can come up with). Someone born craving life or craving the essence of life, blood. What causes this either is from mental images of death and not wanting to die or kids just thinking to much on the subject of being a vampire that they become one. Amazingly there are people who are well in there 40s who believe that they are vampires and live healthy normal lives. It is a matter of understanding and matter of opinion. We can't say that this isn't true when there is no proof either way we just have to understand people are different.

I wrote so much on this subject already. I know a lot of information on vampires and I have so many opinions but I will leave it as that.
thefirstman
The first Vampir came frrom the Czech Republic as far as i know,iv read this a few times.Which contradicts the view that they originally came from Romania.
moe eubleck
QUOTE
there was Barney the Vampire


Barney is no longer just a purple dinosaur........ wacko.gif
thefirstman
QUOTE
Barney is no longer just a purple dinosaur........

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AngelicWitch
QUOTE (thefirstman @ Nov 29 2003, 01:15 AM)
The first Vampir came frrom the Czech Republic as far as i know,iv read this a few times.Which contradicts the view that they originally came from Romania.

Yes that is true. Romania only became notice through Stoker's Dracula.

Hahaohright
weeerrll, i don't know about all of that, but go here, it's ace:
http://quiz.ravenblack.net/blood.pl?biter=Zechariah
theSOURCE
AngelicWitch, your post pretty much expresses my views on vampires (I'm a little fuzzy on your birth defect theory though). I found the book Vampires Among Us a very interesting read. thumbsup.gif

And, I realize it may be a typo, but it's Varney the Vampire, not Barney.*







*Just picking nits. whistling2.gif
AngelicWitch
Oppps... Sorry I did mean Varney the Vampire.

I just birth defect as in the term. Many believe to be born a vampire through normal human parents so I just used that term... But it probably is not the best term to use.

I never read Vampires Among Us though people do think I read a lot of books on vampirism and vampires but in reality I don't. I nit pick (I guess you can say) things from discussions of vampires. I have read some vampire books that describe the historical value of vampires in society and the serial crimes caused by people who claim to be living vampires. I am pretty much an on hand study girl. I talked to many people who claim to be vampires and get their views on vampirism. It is kind of amusing
Duofrost
I think they are real to i mean how you not have so many stories movies legends with out some kind of basis for the stories to be told i heard an old saying that most legends are based on fact so the legend of the vampire must be real
crosswarrior
I believe that vampires are real due in part to ancient legends and some pretty strange stories i heard. But as for those who walk around claiming to be vampires I'd have to say get a life. If you were realy as powerful as legends make vampires appear to be; you would have no need to brag about it to us mortals.
dantheman2435
OF COURSE THEY ARE REAL!!!!! They aree related to Were-wolves in some way too....
crosswarrior
According to legend were-wolves became vampires after death. That is unless they were taken out with a silver bullet or a wooden stake through the heart. Me, I'll take the 50 cal. silver bullet, less messy.
Cloud_Strife
Vampires DO exist am sure of it so is alotta ma mates listen theres too much proof to ignore the fact throughout history there has been mention of vampiric activity in almost every culture plus human kind cannot be so one sided in the thoughts of evolution mankind doesnt always neccesarily evolve the same vampiric activity could be a spin of evolution a kind of natural predator or humans as does all animals have completing nature we in turn being the cattle for some superior species.

All in all pretty sure vamps exist although there are some aspects of the myth i find bull like sunlight garlic and the cross.
PlaguePrincess
Vampires exist, they are the bailif and taxman.
Dark Star
wink2.gif I think there is a possibility of the exsistance/prexsistance of vampires. Like I've always said Not every story and legend comes from drunken men in pubs. tongue.gif

"I'm not weird. I'm gifted."




(with an open mind and a second personality)
frantic99
hmm...vampires...maybe, just maybe.
Vaysafreke
I like to think that the "supernatural vampire" does exist. I know for a fact the there are psycho people out there who think they are vampires and drink blood. But since they are not centuries old and can't do cool things like shapeshift I wouldn't call them a vampire. I have done a little research into the subject. I traced the first vampires to a sun worshipping cult in Babylon. They were similar to our new age people in the way that they believed in doing good and in the sacredness of life and such except for the fact that they were apparently very powerful mages. Vampirism was a curse they would place on a person who was in severe violation of their code. The cursed person couldn't be out in sunlight, and was forced to kill people and various other things. Also some types of vampirism run in families who use black magic. It affects the 3rd and 7th generation of witches the worst. I put some stock into that since i have had black magicians in my family back 3 and 7 generations from me and i have loved vampires since i was very little. I have always been fascinated with them. So that is just my opinion.
moe eubleck
It is Moe's opinion that vampires are purely fictional. I know there is not much fun in that. Im sorry. When I look at this world around me, composed of malls and fast food restaurants, I fail to see any place for vampires other than mere fantasy.
Vampires do make for good entertainment. Anne Rice writes very good vampire stories. But if you ask Anne herself? What does she tell you? They are just stories about us.
Jung would call vampires a manfestation of the shadow archetype. Vampires possess obvious attributes of such a thing. Indeed, the vampire is a perfect shadow figure. Human in appearance, this shadow resembles us. Living in darkness, it is hidden from those who walk by day. Feeding on the blood of the living, it draws its power from the "normal" world. Immortal: this shadow will not disappear. It continues to fascinate.

source : interesting read

Reality is such a bore isnt it? huh.gif
PoisonedEternity
I believe that Vampires do exist. They just aren't the same as the vampires in the books and movies. They can go out in the sun, it just hurts their eyes a little, the whole garlic thing just doesn't come into play, as with the reflection. I've read numerous theories on this next thing. There is a widespread belief among the "vampire community" that the vampires of movies are depicted very differently from their actual forms in real life so that "hunters" will not discover the truth about vampires, to lead them astray. It's a very kooky theory, but interesting nonetheless.

I mainly believe in Psi vamps though. That is a much more reasonable belief.
MadMädchen
Vampires...very real!!!!

MV...and Blood Fetish

Mortal Vampire (MV) is not to be confused with the fictional characters portrayed in the popular vampire movies or books. A MV is a normal human being,
with the physical need to drink blood.
MV's tend to have similar symptoms which include headaches, sleep deprivation (at times), stomach problems, clumsiness, some light sensitivity, and what I term the "Hunger".
(Not all suffer every symptom,
but these seem to be characteristic).
It is however, very important to understand the differences between Mortal Vampirism
and a blood fetishist ........ there is a major difference between the two.
The first thing is that the blood fetishist likes blood for sexual gratification.
The MV (Mortal Vampire) drinks blood due to a physical need which is not in any way sexual. Now the MV may take part in sexual acts with a donor,
but this is due from the passions that spark from the donor,
not the MV.
The next aspect is that the MV does suffer from the "Hunger".
The blood fetishist does not have such a hunger,
but may have a sort of craving.

either way, real modern day vampires definitely exist..
(link removed) or
www.lesvampires.com

and take part in Bleeding Ribbon ..BloodPlay Awareness campaign

wacko.gif

Interesting stuff, but that link was a touch fruity, I think
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