I see I did not word myself correctly. Probably rushed a bit as I was somewhat peeved by the disugsting remark comparing a Vampire to a real person.
I was refering to vampirism as a religion/cult/, not the word which can be traced back to Upir as a term for vampire, which is found for the first time in written form in 1047 in a letter to a Novgorodian prince referring to him as 'Upir Lichyj' (Wicked Vampire).
Tales of the dead craving blood are ancient in nearly every culture around the world. They have names such as Lilu, Akhkharu and Lilith.
The Ancient Egyptian goddess Sekhmet in one myth became full of blood lust after slaughtering humans and was only sated after drinking alcohol colored as blood. Not Blood.
Many vampire legends also bear similarities to legends regarding succubi or incubi.

This is not Count Dracula. Not LeStat. Not someone claiming in a forum that they need to ingest blood. Typical "Vampirism"

Now notice, these are the legends from where the modern Vampire is born. It took a mixture of cultures, the modern Vampire is truly by definition a Bastard or mongrel, either fit.
They are simply legends stories etc. Just like Jaws or The Wiggles.

In fact The Roman strix is the source of the Romanian vampire, the Strigoi and the Albanian Shtriga, which also show Slavic influence. In early Slavic folklore, a vampire drank blood, was afraid of (but could not be killed by) silver and could be destroyed by cutting off its head and putting it between the corpse's legs or by putting a wooden stake into its heart.
But these cultures did not make the mistake of mixing fantasy with fact. These are stories, and recognised as such. It is only the forum Vampire that tries to argue such literature as fact and claims Vampirism as an accepted culture. It is only accepted by other wannabe's. To compare such a pathetic gathering with such a noble organisation is wrong and rude. Kids today just have no bloody respect!!
ADHD should get a good kick in the backside for that comparison. If he was my kid he would be getting it too.

psyche101, why must you lash out at me?




How am I out of line? Vampires are not fantasy creatures they are human beings.

I’m not to familiar with Australia’s definition of “manners” but here in America we have something called freedom of speech






Lmao… and Buddhism is less of a fabrication then vampirism? Dogma is dogma, no matter how much you sugar coat it





*sigh*…please stay on topic, were talking about vampires, not the history of Buddhism.






You are so naïve; please research something before you jump to conclusions. Vampirism has nothing to do with what is betrayed in Hollywood movies. Vampires only feel that they have less energy compared to the rest of us, hence why they “feed” off our energy (some say energy can be found in blood).

Now, at times, there are a few snappers out there that claim to have some sort of “power” to lure us into their grasp, but what makes them any different than a person who claims they were “reincarnated”.


FYI, vampires also claim to be mortal just like the rest of us. They eat normal food, sleep in beds, go to work, and have families.




* Sigh *…stay on topic

Islam has more followers then Christianity, does that make either one any less dogmatic or less important?

Let me answer that one for you…the answer is no!







I don’t care about the history of Wicca…

I was simply using Wicca in my post as an example of a ritualistic and less organized belief such as Christianity.






…You watch to many movies.

Vampirism has nothing to do with “biting someone on the neck”, those who choose to use blood, acquire it from willing donors and they consume no more than a Teaspoon, having sharp teeth is only a myth. There are also Psi vampires that either obtain energy from sex or natural occurrences such as rainstorms or some even use another’s emotions. Vampirism does not contain any sort of god and/or superior being of any sort.

I would also like to add that Porphyria is irrelevant since it has nothing to do with vampirism. Medical conditions and dogmatic beliefs are two completely different things.





Yes, they are the children of Lilith, blame the Hebrews for that one.




psyche101, please do not label me…

I do not follow vampirism, and I am also not a child. I do not understand how one can jump to conclusions about someone they never met.

Ta, ta
~ADHD~

P.S. Out of curiosity, what are you own beliefs?

Actually, much of what people believe about vampires does in fact come from hollywood. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's quite blind to state otherwise.

Vampires aren't people. Vampires do not exist.

A vampire is a reanimated corpse that is believed to drink the blood of living organisms to live.

People who think they are vampires are not in fact vampires. They're idiots for calling themselves vampires because they do not fit the definition of a "true" vampire.

Jesus, I can't believe I'm still paying attention to this thread.

Lol, how so? Show me statistics please…





Proof? If you can’t prove they don’t exist, why would you deny them?


Also note that I am not saying that that the vampires from movies exist.





Lol…and the word pagan has several different definitions and none of them are truly correct. The same holds true with the word vampire; it’s really just a point of view.




Again, a “true” vampire is merely a point of view

...I guess mine is to

~ADHD~

Damn I found this forum a few years too late.

I think some of the problem of vampires or any other supernatural things are the time in history and the common beliefs of that time.

In America we had the Salem Witch trials. Did witches exist then?

Some strange things have happened in the past all around the world, and descriptions were put to them. These terms and definitions made understanding the unknown easier.

Someone pale that could not go out in the sun would be a freak, if a person went missing or was found dead near the town the freaks would be accused.

Evil and the supernatural were blamed for everything from a bad season of crops to a child that was stillborn.

In romania and other places at that time in history there were vampires as defined at that time.

Today we have more stringent requirements to pass to get defined as a vampire or anything else supernatural.

You can take someone that knows CPR and watch them save a choking victum or some that recently drowned ans see the person revived and think that person was a hero.

go back into early america or biblical times and you would be a "healer" or supernatural or some other title. So the time in history with the belief in those times would really dictate that vampires existed, exorcisms were performed, witched were murdered, and other things special!

On a side note I believe in forces/spirits/what ever that can help you and guide you in life. It can be the bad feeling you get about driving home a certain way and you later find out there was an accident there, or a feeling of a bond with another where you can think of them then the phone rings, and it is them, or being told something is going to be a certain way and you know the person is lieing.

anything is possible.

Hi All,

I am not an expert in terms of vampires, but here're some interesting facts:

In Hindu Mythology, there is supposed to have been a race called the Yakshas who were primarily supposed to protect Kuber, the "treasurer" of the gods. The Yakshas are always depicted with long teeth protruding from their mouths and are supposed to drink the blood of their enemies.

Upto now, Hindus (including myself!) pray to Goddess Kali, who was a Yakshini (Yaksha=male ; Yakshini=female) and who drank the blood of her enemies as she killed them. Please find below a picture of Goddess Kali. You'll get loads of information about her on the web.



As for whether vampires exist nowadays, I'm not so sure, but there are surely lots of people out there drinking our blood everyday, don't you think so?

Regards,

Mystic Prince

[font=Comic Sans Ms]"For he who believes, no explanation is required; for he who doesn't, no explanation is possible." - Ramakrishna Paramhansa

You want statistics? Read the entire thread. Hollywood has created, propagated, and instilled many ideas of what vampires are. If you ask 1000 people what they thought a vampire was, I doubt more than 10 of those people wouldn't say that they drink blood.

I deny them because they don't exist. There's no need for proof involved. A giant stay-puffed marshmellow man doesn't exist, and neither does harry potter. How can you ask me for proof? If something doesn't exist, how can you prove it? That's like telling people aliens don't exist, and then asking for proof. Don't know if you've looked into the night sky, but there's a lot of universe out there. If they did exist, you could prove it. If something exists there is evidence for it. If something does not exist, there is no evidence for it. Without evidence, you can't prove that point. This is why so many of us ask for proof when making claims that something exists. So if they do exist, it is up to those claiming it to prove it.



Guess it's not so much a point of view after all.

"Vampire" isn't a point of view. It's a word, and it's meaning is pretty solid. To state otherwise is merely a point of arguing useless semantics for the sake of arguing.

http://www.pitt.edu/AFShome/s/l/slavic/pub...ats/vambat.html

Considering the fact vampire bats got their name from myths about vampires. You know, something that feeds on the blood of the living.

The only differences in perception are when people claim to be psi-vampires and start throwing in cute little additions to what they claim to be. With that said, if you don't drink blood to survive because it is a requirement to live, then you are not a vampire. If you drink blood because it gets you off, or because your D&D friends told you to do it, you should be classified as something else, such as "Vampirism Fetish Master" or "Dumb kid that got duped."

The only reason these people call themselves vampires is because they think it's cool.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
psyche101, why must you lash out at me?
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Because your comments are rude. You are defending a Myth that has become a damaging sub-culture, and creating more problems for teenagers already struggling with reality - you give a cause. I find that immoral and offensive.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
How am I out of line? Vampires are not fantasy creatures they are human beings.
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No they are not. Human Beings are Human Beings. Vampires are story material.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
I’m not to familiar with Australia’s definition of “manners” but here in America we have something called freedom of speech
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Ahh yes, the freedom of speech, this is what allowed that nutter who thinks he is a Vampire to run for some Goverment postion over there?? He is a good reason to consider resraints on Freedom of Speech.
Yep, we got there here downunder too, came along with eelectrickery an flushin toilets and hot water inside the house. Here in Australia, we do not purposefully offend each other. Comparing a "Vampire" to any person that devotes their entire life trying to make the world a better place and help others is offensive. You knew that when you wrote it. You wanted to draw attention to yourself. More of why I find your comments offensive in my response to your first question.
The comparison is a rude one.
I have met some Americans and found them to be friendly and easy to get along with. No American Vampires though, I take it it is only American Vampires that do not wish to have social harmony in the name of "Freedom of Speech? IMO you are abusing this right.
BTW I am using MY freedom of speech by stating my opinion that you are out of line, do you not believe in extending this courtesy to other nations?

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
Lmao… and Buddhism is less of a fabrication then vampirism? Dogma is dogma, no matter how much you sugar coat it
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Yes hahaha. Heh. Funny hey.
Yes, it is less of a fabrication then vampirism. Laugh all you like, it is true.
As You like Dictionary definitions

dog·ma (dôgm, dg-)
n. pl. dog·mas or dog·ma·ta (-m-t)
1. A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.

Dogmatic. Hrrmzz, you may see that as a definition describing those claiming Vampires are real. I do not. My Definition is delusion.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
*sigh*…please stay on topic, were talking about vampires, not the history of Buddhism.
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I am. You made the comparison to Buddhism. I am simply stating why I think you are so very incorrect. Freedom of speech remember?

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
You are so naïve; please research something before you jump to conclusions. Vampirism has nothing to do with what is betrayed in Hollywood movies. Vampires only feel that they have less energy compared to the rest of us, hence why they “feed” off our energy (some say energy can be found in blood).
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You are proposing Myth to be reallity and you are calling me naive??? Fair go.
Did you read the thread before adding you valued opinion?
You are now moving away from the nonsense so far stated in this thread and into another Vampire culture. Do you think that if people keep telling the Vampire story a different way it will become real? This thread is full of people claimimg to be Hollywood Vampires and needing to drink blood. If you wish to change topic to a different creature, I suggest a new thread.
*sigh*
Stay on topic.
If one feels that they have less energy than the rest of 'us' see a doctor. That person is more likely to be suffering Chronic Fatigue or Ross River. It is not likely that the person is a Vampire.
Some say energy can be found in blood hey??? What whacko says this, bet they do not hold a medical qualification. There is no need to ingest human blood at all. Energy can be found in sugar too. Try that, killls and offends less people.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
Now, at times, there are a few snappers out there that claim to have some sort of “power” to lure us into their grasp, but what makes them any different than a person who claims they were “reincarnated”.
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Yes, that is what this thread is about. "Snappers" coming in here with revelations like
"They are real personal frickin experience"
And that is what was being refered to. Once again, I believe you knew that, you sure would had you read the thread. The one thing your Vampire shares with the Hollywood Vampire is the attention seeking it appears.
What makes them different geez come on now. How many people suffering from delusions of reincarnation go out and attack and kill old ladies cause they think they need their blood to live??? Vampirism can be a mental disorder with grave consequenses. You play a nasty and dangerous game ADHD. Problems with authority? It's all fun till someone loses an eye isn't it. (or in the case of a delusional teenager a life)

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
FYI, vampires also claim to be mortal just like the rest of us. They eat normal food, sleep in beds, go to work, and have families.
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Actually they are mortals just like the rest of us. They will all grow old and die, just like me. They will get sick and they will suffer emotion. They will be able to see themselves in a mirror. In fact, they are not Vampires, they are people that think they are a mythical creature.
My above comment answers this as well. Once again, if you are talking of a different Vampire to the type that is being discussed (the most 'popular' Hollywood vampire) and are talking a religion then you are in the wrong forum. If you are talking a 'psychic vampire' you could take that crock up in another thread.
How about you take a page out of you own book and stay on topic.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
* Sigh *…stay on topic

Islam has more followers then Christianity, does that make either one any less dogmatic or less important?

Let me answer that one for you…the answer is no!
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Well, I didn't think this would happen I agree with you. The answer to you question is no.
I was simply stating that this is an organisation. It is about helping people. Vampirism is not about helping people. It does not share the same base of followers. It has no governing body, no order, no structure. It is very different. The comparison of is a bad one that bears no relevence.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']

I don’t care about the history of Wicca…

I was simply using Wicca in my post as an example of a ritualistic and less organized belief such as Christianity.
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I am sure many Wiccans a relieved to hear that.
Less organised. See the number I quoted above (yes it did refer to Buddhism, Christianity boasts a lrage base of members too, around 2.1 Billion) how can a group of that size possibly remain intact over such an imense period of time with little organisation. Less organised than Vampirism??? What a crock - how do you come to that conclusion??

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
…You watch to many movies.

Vampirism has nothing to do with “biting someone on the neck”, those who choose to use blood, acquire it from willing donors and they consume no more than a Teaspoon, having sharp teeth is only a myth. There are also Psi vampires that either obtain energy from sex or natural occurrences such as rainstorms or some even use another’s emotions. Vampirism does not contain any sort of god and/or superior being of any sort.
[/quote]

Ahh, I wish, it is a rare occasion get to watch the boob tube thgese days.

Most forum Vampires claim “biting someone on the neck”, is necessary, you know that. It is the most common form of accepted Vampire. You refer to a fringe group as a mass movement. Many claim to have super powers, burn in sunlight, change sh etc. etc. Read the thread. As I stated, PSI Vampires are more likely people with a disese such as Ross River but have diagnosed themselves as Vampires.
Had you bothered to read the thread you would have seen many refrences to Vlad Tepes and LeStat claiming they exist. This is what you give creedence to.
Well, the Hollywod Vampire has a "Master Vampire" does it not? Would that not be the superior being? If none exists, how is this organised? How does this compare to any religion in any way? Can you bloody Vampires make your minds up so we are not all so confused as to what type of deregulated vampire we are meeting.
Did you read the experience of the boyfirend who was a donor? Does not sound like his girlfriend and her mates needed the blood at all. It made them sick. I would not mind betting that some of those who feel less energy many are sick from ingesting blood instead of food. A bit of reality is all they need - not blood. Your silly argument gives these people a cause to continue with their delusions that they are a vampires, pleople like you make them think they can be.
Rain gives power you say. Hrrmzz, that's a newie to me. A rain vampire. Did you know that electrons are released in a rapid water flow such as a shower creating a calming effect?? It is possible this is what consitutes a rain vampire.
If they go around sucking water out of trees or something, I don't think to many people will pay attention to them. They could eek out such an existance in peace I guess ....

Just a final word from Wikipedia, may not be the foremost Vampire refrence material out there but it fairly widely accepted you must admit

[quote]Vampirism is the practice of drinking blood from a person/animal. Vampires are said to mainly bite the victim's neck, extracting the blood from the carotid artery. In folklore and popular culture, the term generally refers to a belief that one can gain supernatural powers by drinking human blood. [/quote]

Biting neck, drinking blood...........typical Vampire. Don't try to remove the focus to make this fantasy creature sound real in another guise.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
I would also like to add that Porphyria is irrelevant since it has nothing to do with vampirism. Medical conditions and dogmatic beliefs are two completely different things.
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Thank you. Take note all you Vampires that claim this as a legitimate claim to being a Vampire and using it as an excuse to claim one needs to ingest blood for medical reasons. Rubbish A person with Porphyria is simply a person suffering Porphyria
I don't see Vampirism as Dogmatic. I do not believe the two words belong in the same setnence.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
Yes, they are the children of Lilith, blame the Hebrews for that one.
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Blame them? I seek nobody to blame. I merely pointed out how the Myth started form a legend. In essence as story created from another story. Vampirism is a story.

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
psyche101, please do not label me…
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Sorry if that offends you. I call it how I see it - Someone mentioned freedom of speech......

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
I do not follow vampirism, and I am also not a child. I do not understand how one can jump to conclusions about someone they never met.
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So you do not believe in what you defend so Vehemently???
What is the point in all your stance in that case??
I did not think you were a child, but a typical teenager with an attention problem. If you are older than that, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Easy to draw a conclusion, you posted your thoughts, I drew conclusions from that. Does meeting you change your opinion? Do you think it would make me change mine?

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
Ta, ta
~ADHD~
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Bye Now
Buffy

[quote name='ADHD Inattentive' date='Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM' post='1103721']
P.S. Out of curiosity, what are you own beliefs?
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In regard to vampirism, religion, afterlife, this debate or Santa Claus? I have many views I base them on what is proven and documented to be true.
Obviously I do not believe in Vampires. Psychic, religious, Hollywood or any other type.

I was just struck by a funny thought...how many people in the world are actually afflicted with prophyria? And how many exponential times that number of silly goth kids claim to have it? Even if some silly goth kid did have it, that still wouldn't make them a vampire however, although I assume it would gain them a lot of popularity on most forums. Just a thought.

how long did it take to wright this?!

…I’ll keep this short and simple-

I never said that vampires in Hollywood exist; I merely said that that the vampires of vampirism (a mere belief system) exist.


Knightmeir-

please except the fact that you cannot prove that vampires of myth do not exist or do exist.



Lol, perception is our point of view.

In other words, how we choose to define what a vampire is, is a point of view.

“The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).




Lol, you know so how? Have you walked in their shoes?




psyche101-

Dogma, is a set of beliefs (doctrine) that people claim to be true without proof. So Buddhism and vampirism would be considered dogma. Source

Also, if I were to follow vampirism I’d be contradicting myself according to my beliefs (solipsistic agnosticism). The reason why I defend them is the same reason why I defend Christians, I respect their beliefs.





How is my comparison bad? Buddhism is considered dogma and so is vampirism.




Christians prefer to practice their beliefs in groups and they also attend a church, which has rules (organized)

Vampires follow a doctrine but they choose to practice their beliefs individually (less organized)

Get it?





Wow…and you called me a teenager?

~ADHD~

P.s I found you last post really confusing, psyche101 (quotes were not accurately finished). Could you please remember to preview it before you post it?

vampire is just another word for cha ching in hollywood look at all the dumb vampire movies, buffy the series yes it all makes money and they know vampires will sell... and im sure in the olden days preTV im sure vampires were nothing more than storys of entertainment... "i went walking in the path and this beast with sharp fangs that looked human but pale tried to suck my blood and he wouldnt die so i stabbed him in the heart and he blew up yadda yadda" now that sounds better than "i was walking and some man comes up i stabbed him and left" see it was just hyped up stories to spark peoples minds that has been passed on and passed on and passed on till hollywood got the script and changed it in thousands of ways... but if people want to believe then believe... but if they will have to kill me to take my blood

What belief system? Are you a vampire? Have you walked in their shoes?
You must have since you know everything : )

Please ACCEPT the fact that you do not know everything. Vampires do not exist. End of story. If they did, there's be SOMETHING. Some evidence somewhere. But guess what.... still guessing?

The world isn't run by thought? So... the thoughts in the minds of the billions of people are non-existent. You're going to base your PERCEPTION of how you feel this debate should go based on someone's quote.

Here's my quote:

Vampires don't exist. No matter how many people on a forum say they do.

End of you last post, you described someone who takes a teaspoon of blood, or the PSI vampire which needs energy to survive. True, not Hollywood Vampires. These sound like people with a dependant problem, nothing to do with Dogma.

K, you have stated your opinion, mine is that I find it hard to accept that grown people would make an organisation out of something with no more credibility than a Jackalope. If such people exist, they do not need support or respect, they need help.



Not the style of Vampire that is discussed in this thread.
Interesting so you say that if I percieve an Elephant as a pigmy Rhinoceros, I am correct because it is 'my perception', and infact, the rest of the world must accept my perception.

Bloody hippy.



Dogma again. Some unstable people out there may believe in monsters inc. Does that make it dogma?? Belief in Vampires is not dogma, it is unstable.
You respect Vampires. K, I suppose you also respect the little old lady that was putting rat poison in Sizzler Salad bars a few weeks ago. She also 'believed' in what she was doing. I guess you also respect the whacko that slaghters people in the streets because a divnine being told him to do it. He does believe and completetly, Charles Manson had quite a following. They all Believed in him, Joahnesaburg, I can name hundreds of cases where unorganised belief is damaging to individuals and society as a whole.
This is what you respect is it. Right up there with your version of freedom of speech, beneficial to a few, maiming many. Good things abused.
Your comparison is very bad. I stated why. Beings with a skewed perception of reality should not be compared to those who devote a lifetime to helping others, - no organised group of Vampires exists, you said so yourself, so you assume there is a great deal of people out there that are vampires. How else could you come to such statistics other than assupmtion? Your perception I guess. I guess your next major comparison will be Vlad Tepes and Ghandi. Yeah, just the same



Yeah I get it, I still don't agree. Dogma is a faith. Vampires are ridiculous. You are also talking of a different vampire to the one that has been discussed in this thread. These people just need some guidence, the mob you describe need genuine help.

What is this doctrine followed, who wrote it's guidelines? Where can one purchase this for perusal?


Your words



Now, what you have described above is nothing like what you are describing now. Get it straight. Religion or dependancy?
What you have described here is a person which needs alternatives to survive, or 'increase energy'. That does not sound as though the suffers are having a voluntary reaction does it. Going to a Church/organisation, whatever you are now saying 'true vampires' do is a voluntary reaction. The people above appear to be people with genuine diseases (such as chronic fatrigue) that have incorrectly diagnosed thmeselves with a fantasy affliction. Supporting this belief is a damaging thing to do, to those people and society as a whole. You sound like the sort of person that gets off on being seen as decadent. Very typical of a Hollywood Vampire as well, I see why you find them a worthy cause.



Yes I did. Do you have problems with reading as well as reality? I made a joke, you know, yuk yuk and all that?
Perhaps I will percieve myself as Buffy and get naked and look in the mirror. Think I am going to be disappointed though, no matter how much I put my belief in that I am Buffy.




I trust you have manged your way through this post, that last post was probably the biggest I have ever made. I did not have time to proof read it at the time. If there is anything else you are struggling with, let me know and I will attempt to clarify it for you.

I was on and off the PC all morning, had to go out at Midday. I would guess about an hour why are you interested to know?

If your "vampires" are apparently based on a different perception of something and they just have the same name, (i.e. we are discussing vampires that you don't believe in but you believe in different vampires) then we are not discussing the same thing, and the information you provide is only an attempt to confuse the discussion of a mythical beast, you seem to be trying to promote the belief that another kind of vampire exists, this is also a fallacy, but you can believe what you want, but please stop confusing the existnce of the vampires in question with trying to prove a "vampire" that is not at all the subject of this .discussion.

Wow,
I never cease to be amazed at what people can make themselves believe in . If you purchase custom made ceramic fangs that fit over your canines you are not a "vampire." You are a person that is choosing to adhere to what you think is a "vampire." Your are also a waster of money that should never complain about how tight the bills are ever again.

What a vampire is wasn't even solidified with the advent of Brim Stoker's Dracula. It took Hollywood to do that. People please do some real research that doesn't include googling "vampire." Vampirism is not a belief system, it is a farce. Do not fall prey to this delusion of gothic horror/beauty it doesn't exist.

Actually, I retract what I said before , google "Gothic" and find out why the term was coined. Remember boys and girls the term "archaic" beside something means that is what it meant originally.
Second, also google "Varney the Vampire, Penny Dreadful"

It is just another 18th century soap opera booklet that occurred because, at the time, the young had little to catch there imagination literarily that didn't require much thought. It was the times answer to Desperate Housewives or One Tree Hill. This type of drama always pulls in a certain audience, and holy crap it is still doing the same today.

In conclusion if you are drinking blood today it is by choice and not design. This does not make you a vampire, it makes you a drinker of blood. Let me put it in perspective for you: If I were to eat spinach it would not make me a Popeyeist. I would be a person that ate spinach. Why can't Popeye get some followers, at least what he is peddling is roughage and I'd rather be able to juggle elephants than turn into a bat any day.

I am bumping this thread just to take it off the 666 count! Very creepy!

One of the hollywood myths of vampires is the extened life/ immortal existance,

Check out this science story from the news this morning, would this impact the vampire myth?

"feeding" the body with special cells to live very long.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060315/hl_nm/old_age_dc

Be wary of the words you put forth my friend. If you are to enter this conversation with such determination, allow me to clue you in on some of the subjects that have already been brought into the talks.
Gothic fashion
Fake fangs
Teenage hobbies
literature, ect.

If you have some something new, that we have not gone over countless times, than you may be able to join the conversation on the level of intelligence at which you believe youself to be. Until then, I ask you not comment so boldly as to boast such confidence.

In short, your comments are nothing new.

This goes for every other skeptic that wishes to present me with your anti- vampire comments in attempt to disprove vampire existence. I am well aware of everything that has been said in this thread. Unless new facts are presented, I ask that you not discredit a subject of which you have run out insults to throw.

Once again Arsenik, you are not a vampire. No matter how you speak, you are not a vampire. You are either a wannabe, a liar, or dellusional. Pick one.
No need to discredit the subject. You do that nicely.

How I speak has nothing to do with what I believe or how I live. Vampirism, like Christianity, has many views of itself. There is not one person that knows exactly what the next does.

Besides, I have only stated that the same comments have been repeated too many times. Which shows the direction of which this thread has gone. No where.

Of course it has gone nowhere. There is nowhere to go with it. Psuedo intellectual double talk does not make vampires real.
I was obsessed with vampires as a teenager. Even then I knew what reality was.

The thread will go somewhere when people such as yourself realise that vampires don't exist and that they are mythological. Unfortunately, you all insist on holding us back.

In my opinion this thread(Vampire horse) is just a painful re-hash of the same comments over and over again; I think it has outlived it's usefulness and should be put out to pasture and have a rather large jagged stake pounded into its heart...

I am closing this one...