Full Version: 9/11 Flash
I agree Dot, it was awful beyond words the first time I saw it.
btw... I thought I'd share this with everyone, and especially those that complaining about the civilian population of Iraq being killed...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world...ofthefallen.htm
So you see, since our nation is NOT in a draft, these men and women joined our armed forces to protect our nation, and they are just as innocent as the victims of 9/11.
BTW... I'm sure this thread was intended as a memorial to those who lost their lives, and so is Faces of the Fallen. I'm posting this out of RESPECT for those who have lost their lives. I welcome someone to post anything showing respect for Iraqi civilians as well... and Irish, and Afhan... and whomever was a casualty of war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world...ofthefallen.htm
So you see, since our nation is NOT in a draft, these men and women joined our armed forces to protect our nation, and they are just as innocent as the victims of 9/11.
BTW... I'm sure this thread was intended as a memorial to those who lost their lives, and so is Faces of the Fallen. I'm posting this out of RESPECT for those who have lost their lives. I welcome someone to post anything showing respect for Iraqi civilians as well... and Irish, and Afhan... and whomever was a casualty of war.
Pete,this thread is in rememberance of those who lost their lives on that day...and I for one do not feel that your coments are in the right place.
This thread is turning into a battle ground of its own and that is not right.
I remember when we had the IRA planting bombs( and other people).It was really scary.I used to live near Brighton when Margaret Thatcher was in the Grand and that was blown up.I was petrified to go to Brighton for ages after.
Having people dying anywhere is not a good thing,it does not matter who they are...and in my eyes everyone should have their own rights,but you coming into this thread is NOT going to change that.
Why not just look at this thread as a way to remember everyone who has died because of a war...it might help you to look at that video in another way.
And try to remember that it was NOT just Americans that were killed there either.
This thread is turning into a battle ground of its own and that is not right.
I remember when we had the IRA planting bombs( and other people).It was really scary.I used to live near Brighton when Margaret Thatcher was in the Grand and that was blown up.I was petrified to go to Brighton for ages after.
Having people dying anywhere is not a good thing,it does not matter who they are...and in my eyes everyone should have their own rights,but you coming into this thread is NOT going to change that.
Why not just look at this thread as a way to remember everyone who has died because of a war...it might help you to look at that video in another way.
And try to remember that it was NOT just Americans that were killed there either.
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QUOTE(pete juffalo @ Jan 19 2005, 09:15 AM)
our countries are the biggest terrorists of them all. we go into a country (like iraq), kill civilians, and then run that country like it was our own. we kill, colonise and move on to the next country. its no wonder all those countries hate the US and UK.
Go move to Zimbabwe then. Oh wait, thats right... you LIKE your privileges. You do realize that although innocent people have been killed in Iraq, the vast majority of their nation is extactic to be able to vote in their election?? Iraqi citizens even here in Detroit are going to be voting at remote voting sites. THEY are happy we did what we did, now they have their first opportunity to vote in at least over 20 years.
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yes it was bad that 4 years ago 2000 americans died. but i am more sad for the people of all the countries who america and britain have bombed. to all the parents who have lost little children to america and britains armys and to all the inocent civilains who had no choice but to die as a result of our revenge attacks.
I think we have already established that it was NOT just Americans who died in the attack. Yes, it was a sad day for America, it was an even MORE sad day for HUMANKIND. Like I've said before, the reaction that Americans had to this attack was so large because this type of event RARELY happens on American soil. So yea, we are a little pissed about it. And we're gonna mourne the loss.
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so keep apologising for my opinion, but it wont change, and i know many many people are going to agree with me when i say that the british and american govenment are far more evil than any terrorist in the world.
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we are evil for trying to take dictator out of power?? One who was more torturous to his own people than we can imagine?
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im not going to pick apart your reply coz im sick of arguing about this to tell you the truth.
but:
1. i wont move out of the uk because i dont feel as though something like a building being attacked is enough reason for me to flee my current life. and i dont feel as though i should have to because i have the right to stay.
2. have you talked to any iraqis that live in iraq about the war?
3. it isnt our buisness to bring down another countries leader. just like it isnt iraq or afganisans buisness to try and bring down bush. would you be saying this if someone invaded america and brought down bush because he is a terrorist who spends his countries budget on war?
4. there were also english people inthe wtc....am i mourning for them? no!
erm, yep, thats all i care to argue about now.
QUOTE(snuffypuffer @ Jan 19 2005, 02:34 AM)
I'm sorry, but using 9-11 to justify the war in Iraq is irresponsible and just plain bad form. There have never been any proven links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida, there were never any weapons of mass destruction, and the war seemed poorly planned and rushed to the table, in my opinion. President Bush screwed up royally on that one, and you just keep going back to the well with the 9-11 clips. Please, please give these people some dignity and quit showing their deaths to justify the Bush administration's botched foreign policy.
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Oh my God that was brilliant. I agree completely. 100%
QUOTE(pete juffalo @ Jan 19 2005, 03:23 PM)
4. there were also english people inthe wtc....am i mourning for them? no!
erm, yep, thats all i care to argue about now.
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erm, yep, thats all i care to argue about now.
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Well you are really lucky that YOU did not know anyone in the towers that died...if you had then your attitude would be totally different...
BTW,how old are you?
To me you do not sound that old,just interested.
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2. have you talked to any iraqis that live in iraq about the war?
No, because I don't speak Arabic. I do, however work at a very small company that is owned by Christian Iraqis, (Chaldeans) and they still have quite a bit of family over there. Talk about oppressed people, there are more Christian Iraqis in Detroit than in Iraq itself because of how badly they are treated over there.
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4. there were also english people inthe wtc....am i mourning for them? no!
I can't help that you are insensitive. Perhaps the disaster did not closely touch your life, but did affect many others.
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4. there were also english people inthe wtc....am i mourning for them? no!
erm, yep, thats all i care to argue about now.
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erm, yep, thats all i care to argue about now.
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Well you are really lucky that YOU did not know anyone in the towers that died...if you had then your attitude would be totally different...
BTW,how old are you?
To me you do not sound that old,just interested.
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im 21, and i dont see what my age has to do with anything. am i being childish by airing my opinion? just because im not 36 it doesnt mean i dont have life experience and it certainly doesnt mean i have had a sheltered life (just incase you were going to bring that one up)
and you dont know me, how can you say i would act differently if i knew someone who died?
i very much doubt i would act any differently. if one of the few people i do care about died in that building, then i would probibly be upset that they died and that they arent in my life, but i would certainly not want anyone who didnt know them mourning their death. id be upset, but i wouldnt be uptight and whiney about it.
people you dont know die every day, english people, american people, spanish people. women are beaten and murdered, children are raped and murdered, men get hit by buses every day. do you mourn their deaths? if you do then you must be a very misserable person.
it doesnt matter if a person i dont know dies in a plane crash or of a heart attack, the fact remains that i didnt know them.
and i am not luck, the people i care about are lucky that they werent in that building. and i am lucky i want in that building. but im also lucky that i didnt get run down by a drunk driver when i crossed the road this morning.
i wont keep arguing now because your all very touchy on this subject. ive aired about as much of my oppinion as i care to.
my only advice is to leave it in the past.
mourn your own losses rather than someone elses.
SO... Thank you Nxt2Hvn for posting that flash
A human life is a human life and no matter who is doing the killing, innocents dying is a tragedy. It doesn't matter what country they live in or who they worship.
That being said, Pete Juffalo, you are being unbelievably crass and narrow-minded in your comments about the people who lost their lives. The remarks are every bit as wrong as an American saying 9/11 was a worse tragedy bc it involved Americans. These acts of violence are WRONG no matter where they occur, and the people who die deserve respect and mourning.
That being said, Pete Juffalo, you are being unbelievably crass and narrow-minded in your comments about the people who lost their lives. The remarks are every bit as wrong as an American saying 9/11 was a worse tragedy bc it involved Americans. These acts of violence are WRONG no matter where they occur, and the people who die deserve respect and mourning.
i think is funny people look at americans and say get over it.
I agree with JOC on the first page.
Im at a loss of word here......i dont know how something so tragic can spawn some of these awful comments. I think i liked the site when i first joined, it was more about the unknown then americans. I could never grasp the comcept of hating someone cuz of what color they are or where they might be from. I like UM and people on here, i like to read what everyone thinks. but i dont know anymore, i dont think ill post anymore. not untill things seem to lighten up around here.
I agree with JOC on the first page.
Im at a loss of word here......i dont know how something so tragic can spawn some of these awful comments. I think i liked the site when i first joined, it was more about the unknown then americans. I could never grasp the comcept of hating someone cuz of what color they are or where they might be from. I like UM and people on here, i like to read what everyone thinks. but i dont know anymore, i dont think ill post anymore. not untill things seem to lighten up around here.
well said gabriel, i'm beginning to agree with you
Pete you are entitled to your opinion but this thread is not the place for these arguements.
QUOTE(pete juffalo @ Jan 19 2005, 03:38 PM)
im 21, and i dont see what my age has to do with anything. am i being childish by airing my opinion? just because im not 36 it doesnt mean i dont have life experience and it certainly doesnt mean i have had a sheltered life (just incase you were going to bring that one up)
and you dont know me, how can you say i would act differently if i knew someone who died?
i very much doubt i would act any differently. if one of the few people i do care about died in that building, then i would probibly be upset that they died and that they arent in my life, but i would certainly not want anyone who didnt know them mourning their death. id be upset, but i wouldnt be uptight and whiney about it.
people you dont know die every day, english people, american people, spanish people. women are beaten and murdered, children are raped and murdered, men get hit by buses every day. do you mourn their deaths? if you do then you must be a very misserable person.
it doesnt matter if a person i dont know dies in a plane crash or of a heart attack, the fact remains that i didnt know them.
and i am not luck, the people i care about are lucky that they werent in that building. and i am lucky i want in that building. but im also lucky that i didnt get run down by a drunk driver when i crossed the road this morning.
i wont keep arguing now because your all very touchy on this subject. ive aired about as much of my oppinion as i care to.
my only advice is to leave it in the past.
mourn your own losses rather than someone elses.
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If you noticed in my post,I had said just wondered about your age...there was no other reason.
As for people being killed,beaten,and dying through ill health,yes this is true.Thats part of life.
But it is part of human nature to be saddened by something like this,thats what makes us human that we care.
If it does not affect you then it is up to you...it did affect me and I will admit I cried watching that clip...but Im human and I am not a miserable person...I am thankful that I have my loved ones around me.
If things were left in the past...how would we learn anything from it?
As for mourning my own losses...I did,twice at the end of last year.My Dad passed away suddenly(stroke) and then my Aunt(of cancer)within a month of each other.So,is that me mourning enough( over my own losses) for your liking Pete?????
Thank you.
Pete, i dont want to jump down your throat, but if your opinions are gonna annoy or hurt ppl this much, then keep them to yourself. How did u know that some members havent lost loved ones in the twin towers? that could have really hurt them, what u've been saying. and as for your comments about bombing innocents in iraq, fair enough we have been but no more so, then their own dictator would have ended up killing them
QUOTE(pete juffalo @ Jan 19 2005, 10:38 AM)
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my only advice is to leave it in the past.
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my only advice is to leave it in the past.
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Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.
QUOTE(pete juffalo @ Jan 19 2005, 10:38 AM)
mourn your own losses rather than someone elses.
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Pete you are so incredibly arrogant. I am almost at a loss for words. How can you not look at the events of September 11th and not mourn? Many people from many nations endured losses on 9/11. Loss of life, loss of faith, loss of innocence.
I pity you Pete.
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QUOTE(pete juffalo @ Jan 19 2005, 10:38 AM)
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my only advice is to leave it in the past.
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my only advice is to leave it in the past.
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Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.
QUOTE(pete juffalo @ Jan 19 2005, 10:38 AM)
mourn your own losses rather than someone elses.
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Pete you are so incredibly arrogant. I am almost at a loss for words. How can you not look at the events of September 11th and not mourn? Many people from many nations endured losses on 9/11. Loss of life, loss of faith, loss of innocence.
I pity you Pete.
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you pitty me?
why?
im happy, i live a fullfilled life with a lot of happiness.
and if you believe my beliefs are arrogant then thats your oppinion.
i dont mourn because i dont believe in mourning for people i dont know. im not here to hurt anyone, im not here to sadden anyone.
if you are saddened by what i have said then i am sorry for you.
i am especialy sorry for anyone who pittys me.
Pete a little tact would go a long way.
I'm going to close this because you've clearly upset quite a number of people here with your insensitive remarks.
You are entitled to your opinion, but your choice of threads in which to express it leaves a lot to be desired.
I'm going to close this because you've clearly upset quite a number of people here with your insensitive remarks.
You are entitled to your opinion, but your choice of threads in which to express it leaves a lot to be desired.
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