In 1982, at the Institute of Applied Physics and Theoretical Optics at the University of Paris, physicist Alain Aspect made probably the most profound discovery in the history of science. He and a team of scientists proved that the world that we live in is non-local or non-separable. In other words, space, as we perceive it to be, does not exist. It is just an illusion of our senses. We are all part of one huge ocean of energy and literally nothing separates you from anything else. The separation you see is an illusion caused by the five physical senses you have. All 'space' is filled with energy, the same energy that makes up you and everything else. It is just that your five senses of sight, sound, touch, taste, and smell do not detect the many other different types of forms that exist in the universe.

Einstein and other quantum scientists have proven that all physical matter, including the human body, is made up of energy packets that are not bound by space and time. Science has also proven that the mind has no boundaries.

Are thoughts energy then?

Thoughts?

yes thoughts are energy, as what a thought actually is, is electric pulses in your brain

Doesn't sounds like something we haven't known for almost a 100yrs. What we percieved in the macroscopic world is nothing to do with reality.

What do you mean? It definitely has boundaries. Can you think in 5 dimensions or smell colour? The mind is defined by our senses. How do you mean energy? There are definitely electrical impulses going on in our brain when we think but I have a bad suspicion that it isn't what you meant.

This link takes you to the web site which provides more information on what taustin has posted. It apprears that taustin has posted what is on pages 3 and 4 of this site, but aren't exact quotes, so perhaps some things are taken out of context.

I haven't(and won't) read this article or comment on the thread, but wanted to provide the source of the thread so members can give a more detailed response if they want to.

I sped read through it, most of it has to do with psychology and how to lead a meaningful life. Nothing that should be linked with physics, in quantum physics there is no present moment, we are all living on the edge of the cosmic "tick", only past and futhur. Another thing is that he seems to assume separation of the human consciousness and mind. All indication is that consciousness is the mind, brain function goes along with consciousness. While I can say its poor physics and some assumption by the author, he gives good advice in living your life.

I appreciate the feedback but somehow feel a little shredded. I really just wanted to know what others thought. I am not sure I have been quite able to wrap my mind around the concept and do believe thoughts are energy so....I just wanted to hear what someone else had to say.....I am not sure am quite able to grasp that space is an illusion though.

Thanks

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Space has 12 sides. When you pass through one side, you appear at the opposite. This creates the illusion of an infinite universe. This has thus been dubbed the "soccerball effect".

Interesting question.....

I don't know if space is an illusion, though it certainly isn't NOthing if that's what u mean. But I have been harbouring a suspicion that distance might be. Then recently I learned of a theory that while a photon created and emitted at say, the time of the big bang hasn't aged since then as it is travelling at light speed, neither has it travelled anywhere since its creation.

Weird? Sounds it doesn't it. Yet it resonates somewhere in my limited mind. Its this light speed thing. I was reading "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene. He writes, if I get it right, about how objects contract in size the faster they move. If you add space (size) + speed + time you get A total value. If you increase one of those things, a reduction has to occur in one of the other parts that make an object. Therefore, if it moves faster, it gets shorter in size because that total value remains the same. Time, for the object, is also effected. At our sedentary pace, getting in a car and driving we hardly notice the difference but the closer we get to light speed the more drastic the effect. Its why things age more slowly at high speed. The closer to light speed, the slower one ages. I postulated to my brother over Christmas that interstellar travel should be possible if we cd just power a craft to go fast enough (a minor point ) then the enormous distances wouldn't be a problem as we would be aging so much more slowly compared to "normal". It was during this discussion that he related the theory about the photon not going anywhere.

I'm in danger of getting myself in a twist here so I'll try and summarise. The faster you go, the slower you age and the shorter you become in size. Therefore the photon doesn't age at all because it moves at light speed. Perhaps we get where we're going faster at higher velocity because we are shrinking the distance between us and our destination with the extra velocity rather than what we normally perceive. We usually think that we cover the same ground more quickly. But perhaps its actually LESS ground or shorter ground because of the velocity. I hope I'm making some sort of sense The photon, with a velocity of light speed, doesn't actually go anywhere. Or, could we say, that it is therefore everywhere at once?

In Greene's book he talks about the experiment where they fire a photon through a card with 2 slits cut in to see if its a wave or a particle. They discovered not only that it is both but that single photon travels through BOTH slits. Not only that but that it travels every possible route in the universe to get through the slits! Could the distance shrinking idea partly explain this? I dunno. But can you also see the connection with your question?

I am, by no stretch of the imagination, a physicist. I drive a truck. But being on the road gives you time to ponder. I'm probably WAY off the mark and making an idiot of myself but I thought it was worth throwing into the arena. I just hope my twisted tongue (or typing fingers) are expressing the ideas in some kind of understandable way. [/I][I][U][/U]

I understand perfectly what you meant, space is contracted in the direction you are travelling. At light speed the distance or time is "0" for the particle that is travelling.

Sadly Science cannot resolve this, that was why Einstein tried looking for his unified field equations. At some levels gen relativity and quantum mechanics contradict each other, badly. However observation of the particle will force the particle to only go through one slit even though potentially they travel through both slit, thus the famous schroedingers cat that was both alive and dead.

I understand what you are getting at..... I think that the theory "pushes the envelope" just a little but still it is pretty rational. Yes by the way, thoughts are energy, what else would they be? everything in the percievable universe is some sort of energy. Since you bring this up and I saw the name of Einstein, heres another great one, your body, your mind, your thoughts are all made of energy, and what did Einstein teach us? Energy CAN NOT be destroyed, its simply impossible, so what am I getting at? well its basically the scientific proof that you never really die..... something has to happen to the energy that was your body and mind when you die...... wrap your thoughts around that. (nice topic, I cant wait to see where this goes.....)

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I understand what you are getting at..... I think that the theory "pushes the envelope" just a little but still it is pretty rational. Yes by the way, thoughts are energy, what else would they be? everything in the percievable universe is some sort of energy. Since you bring this up and I saw the name of Einstein, heres another great one, your body, your mind, your thoughts are all made of energy, and what did Einstein teach us? Energy CAN NOT be destroyed, its simply impossible, so what am I getting at? well its basically the scientific proof that you never really die..... something has to happen to the energy that was your body and mind when you die...... wrap your thoughts around that. (nice topic, I cant wait to see where this goes.....)


Ah, now that 1 I find a bit easier. The energy that "makes" us is not destroyed but merely transformed into something else. The suffering that this causes in the human mind stems from the illusion that our bodies and being are percieved by ourselves as being a "thing", solid and indivisible. No amount of reading about atoms and other such stuff allows us to look in the mirror and NOT see an indivisible whole. The reality that we are in fact "events" rather than "things" - not solid at all - does not sit comfortably with the ego. I believe this is the false sense of self that Buddhism speaks of. The energy that makes us does not die. But the collection of events and processes that makes us what we really are, ceases. So in that sense, we do actually die. Just not in the way we usually percieve it.

However, as to whether the spiritual energy that either contributes to or makes up or consciousness stops or dies upon death of the body carries on or not - that is another question.

I agree. It is an interesting topic.

Thanks Shai Hulud. I still struggle but I'm trying to make progress getting my head round it all !!

wow i have alays had very simalar thoughts on this. my theroy on what happens when we die is like a rain drop. our energy "representing the rain drop" falls back into the ocean (the ocean representing the earth) and what happens when the rain falls down? a cycle where it turns back into a rain drop (that porces in the human case being reincarnation) now the only thing im confused about is what happens to us before we turn back into rain drops, or humans in this case? hmm i guess i wil have to wait and see.

But does energy retain information?

Depends on what you are refering to as 'space'. Are you refering to the distance between objects, durantion between two points of time, or as in space-the absence of atoms (say outerspace as a vacuum). Space and time are proportional and related to one another, hence the often popular term Spacetime.