Ok i was reading this article about how this guy is paying 120,000 dollars to freeze his body to (live forever) now i have a few questions about this. i mean how does freezing you prevent yuo from ageing without killing you??? it jsut doesnt seem possible. i mean regardless, you are still ageing, and i mean am i wrong to say that your body frzzes too? i dont disbeliuve this is possible, i just dont understand it. any help on education me? also has anyone tried this with anyhtign yet?
Casey

if they freeze you at a certain degree all molecules will stop moving and it will be like time stands still.

It does kill you...they do not freeze your body until shortly after you die.

The idea is that you will remain frozen until science is able to revive you and fix not only the problem that killed you in the first place, but the problems associated with being frozen(cells tend to burst when frozen, lots of damage).

They assume that within a few hundred years that there will be a cure for their problems and that if they just wait it out being frozen that they could be brought back to life in the future.

Kind of the same idea that the Egyptians had when they mummified each other...

Like fluffy unny said, If they were to try revive someone right now there cells will expand and cause damage. This is gonig to be a real big problem, hopefully future technology like nanotechnology will be able to somehow solve this problem.

Ever heard of people that have drown in a Frozen lake, they fell in and drowned but were revived a half hour later or in some cases HOURS later. Its because damage was slowed down so much by being really cold

There was a Quaote from a book I read and the guy said.

" many are cold but few are frozen " Most if not all of the current methods used on patients that were frozen may have not as good as chance of people in the future getting frozen, because of the techniques used.

The cryonics is theoreticly possible, We know that we can FREEZE a frog and then let it thaw and it will start hoping around an hour later after being frozen. The frog has a natural Anti-freeze.

Theoreticly we could take this GENE from a frog and put it in humans and humans may be capable of the same thing.

And you can get frozen for around $25.000 . depends where you go and if you get you're body frozen or just you're head. Im signing up for it - just incase lol

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At absolute zero (-273? Celsius or -460? Fahrenheit), all motion stops, except for tiny atomic vibrations, since the cooling process has extracted all energy from the particles. By improving cooling methods, scientists have succeeded in getting closer to absolute zero.

You are correct whoa.

When going through Medic Training years ago; we were told that a drowning victim that went into icy water wasn't dead until they were warm and dead; and to not stop trying to revive them. As pointed out, there are cases where a person would be underwater for a half an hour or more and still come back with no brain damage.

The cooling effect of that water slows things down to the point that not as much oxygen is needed, and can therefore last a bit longer underwater than would otherwise be the case.

Unfortunately freezing is an entirely different matter as the damage that freezing causes is really bad, but in time science and medicine will be able to handle it. What I want to know is what the corpsicle experiences while they are dead; will there be any memories? if there were a heaven, would they want to come back?

I'm not sure what would experience. I mean from wht you say they are dead, meaning what happens to them after death would be what happends to them i guess. Also another creepy thing to think about is what if they freezeing companies go out of buisnese? man the forzen bodies are screwed. also who is freezing themselves? i mean assuming this is starting to happen more and more i doubt 25 year olds are doing it, im ssuming older people, and in the case, if this worked, when they were thawed, there wouldnt be much more to do. also i dont understand, they want bring someone back to life after they are delcared dead? I.E brain toumer/heart attack dead, or drown in a lake kinda dead? in other words how can your bring somone ack from REAL death, like a thing called natural casue ect ect...plus is anyone doing this right now? has there been experiment son lab animals or anyhting/

frozen life person?
is does preserve your brain not! Because brain is much water! yEs!!

And I think water expands when is become ice. So, is damage to
your brain......... woa!

Coyote think I made a brakethrough to science!

The following is a cut and paste from this site:
http://www.alcor.org/AboutCryonics/index.html


Cryonics is the speculative practice of using cold to preserve the life of a person who can no longer be supported by ordinary medicine. The goal is to carry the person forward through time, for however many decades or centuries might be necessary, until the preservation process can be reversed, and the person restored to full health.

While cryonics sounds like science fiction, there is a basis for it in real science. The complete scientific story of cryonics is seldom told in media reports, leaving cryonics widely misunderstood.

Cryonics is justified by three facts that are not well known:

1) Life can be stopped and restarted if its basic structure is preserved.

Human embryos are routinely preserved for years at temperatures that completely stop the chemistry of life. Adult humans have survived cooling to temperatures that stop the heart, brain, and all other organs from functioning for up to an hour. These and many other lessons of biology teach us that life is a particular structure of matter. Life can be stopped and restarted if cell structure and chemistry are preserved sufficiently well.

2) Vitrification (not freezing) can preserve biological structure very well.

Adding high concentrations of chemicals called cryoprotectants to cells permits tissue to be cooled to very low temperatures with little or no ice formation. The state of no ice formation at temperatures below -120°C is called vitrification. It is now possible to physically vitrify organs as large as the human brain, achieving excellent structural preservation without freezing.

3) Methods for repairing structure at the molecular level can now be foreseen.

The emerging science of nanotechnology will eventually lead to devices capable of extensive tissue repair and regeneration, including repair of individual cells one molecule at a time. This future nanomedicine could theoretically recover any preserved person in which the basic brain structures encoding memory and personality remain intact.

So...

If survival of structure means survival of the person;


If cold can preserve essential structure with sufficient fidelity;


If foreseeable technology can repair injuries of the preservation process;
Then cryonics should work, even though it cannot be demonstrated to work today. That is the scientific justification for cryonics. It is a justification that grows stronger with every new advance in preservation technology.

Imagin the media and scientific attention one were to get if they were the first few to get brought back to life and they died in the 1900's..

there will be soooo many questions, religous questions included.

Personally I believe it will happen within the next 30 years, But we'll see...

Biotechnology revolution we are jut entering it.

Mature nanotech is expected to be around 15 years away

can sopmeone give me a breif def. of nano technoilgy?

heres a rescent article from BBC NEWS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4187813.stm

Small science to be big in 2005

"Nanotechnology" will be a much more familiar word to everyone in 2005, not just scientists, say analysts.

Nanotechnologies involve the manipulation of structures at the molecular scale and can change the behaviour of materials.

I started a thread on Nanotech and biotech

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...opic=31569&st=0

A site with LOADS of information, videos, audio, pictures about nanotech here:

http://www.nanotech-now.com/multimedia.htm

Nanotech is bigger than any industrial revolution that has happened on this earth. its going to affect the way you live and you're life in ways that you could learn about now and ways we dont understand now

I've also heard of certain types of beatles that can totally freeze, then thaw out and live like normal. But to unthaw, I believe they have to thaw from the inside out. It has to do with your nerves wont be connected correctly when you thaw out if you thaw from outside in.

Cryonics: Looking to frozen frogs for clues to improve human medicine

the frogs BRAIN and HEART stops!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nati...96_frogs14.html

Check that out

I saw a documentary not too long ago about a doctor who performed surgery on a man.
In order to perform the surgery...sorry, I don't remember what the surgery was...the doctor brought the mans body temperature down to about 57 degrees or so....then he drained every single drop of blood from the patients body....made the surgical repair...recirculated the mans blood back into his body and raised the temperature back to normal. He was able to reestablish a heart beat and the patient lived.

Has anyone else seen this?

A taxa of really interesting organisms called Tardigrada can actually freeze down to very low temperatures and survive years thanks to a substance (a sugar based compound called trehalose) in their system that prevents extensive crystal formation and thus damage.

In the future we will see many ways of preservation surfacing, a lesson already taught by the egyptians mentioned here. It will involve hindering metabolism almost to zero so that in essence you create a "stasis effect" through both chemical and mechanical means.

[FONT=Courier][SIZE=7] If you are frozen, the cells of your body will freeze causing ice crystals to form. This will then lyse the cell wall. When you a " warmed up again" you are no more than a bag of busted cell membranes. This topic is fiction. Yes bugs and very basic things (flies) can survive this, but the fact stands that we are "way to complex" for this to ever work.

Yes lisa, and I guess we'll never learn to fly, or see the bottom of the ocean, or land on the moon, or......

Death, one of the many fronteirs humanity has yet to explore!

You are 100% correct with respect to the issue of cell bursting.
What you may find of interest, Lisa, is that your concern is being directly addressed:
The search is on and quite active for a fluid compound that can be safely used in humans and act as a "cellular anti-freeze" with none or manageable toxicity. That aspect is the "Holy Grail" of human cryogenics.
Some progress has been made, and more progress is surely in the future.

The problem is a lot of people, actually the majority of people are uneducated in new technologies and the potential of them. They also dont have a clear idea of what cryonics is REALLY about and the science behind it.

Cryonics is not about perserving a *DEAD* person. If their brain is completely dead, then there is no point.

The faster you can get a person into a state where biology stops the more chance you will be revived in the future.

Its probably like being in a COMA where Conscious thought has stopped.
But when your heart stops, you aren't "dead". Your brain cells continue to funciton for a few minutes. Even after aerobic respiration is no longer possible, due to lack of oxygen, there is still quite a bit of time, hours at least, before your brain's neurons degrade irreparably

We dont expect that a person can be revived after a few days of death. If they were, it would not likely to be the same person at all.

Without wishing to get into a religious debate here but....
What worries me about Cryo-etc is what about the soul ?!
If we have one and the body et al is frozen what happens
to the soul ?-Are you in limbo, do you go to "Heaven"
and if you go to Heaven and they thaw you out
pressumably you'd have to pop back again...


On a different note there's a Sci-fi tale about this guy
who's thawed out in the future and his estate folded
(ie his funding) or something and he's "bought back"
so that some future guy can have his heart....I forget
the title sorry, but I bet they DON'T have copies of it in
the waiting rooms of "We Will Freeze You" clinics...!!

If this were to work, then I guess our thoughts on the afterlife would need to be looked at in a different light.

i believe this has a great chance of working someday

though what i cant seem to get past is having your head cut off
that seems to be as large possibly even a larger challenge to overcome

i mean what if they find a way to thaw bodies out tomorrow and a cure for the cancer or whatever comes the next day
well thats great for the frozen bodies

but what about the frozen heads ?

I believe it will work and you will see it sometime early-mid 21st century. The technology is being developed now and its not some science fiction tech, Its really happening.

Unfortanatly people that have died already and used cryonics might have a less chance of actually being revived. Methods are not perfect yet and damage is still happening to the brain structures and cells in the body.

Although we will have molecular machines that will go inside cells and repair them the person that wakes up may not remember much or anything of his life because there might be too much damage. I think theres around a 30-50 % chance of people that have had cryonics will be revived the same person.

Advances are happening daily in all fields that will benifit cryonics, Biotech, nanotech especially... Every day we are getting closer.


Now cryonics have been available for quite a number of years and its actually not that expensive, around 15.000 pound in some places thats around $30,000 for whole body.

150,000 people die everyday by the disease called " ageing " Now what if cryonics is to work. I have repeatedly suggested cryonics to a number of people in my own family, friends and people on the net. If Cryonics is to work, it will be a big shame that they didnt go for it while they had the chance.

Its really hard for anyone to take cryonics as a serious thing right now, but believe me it will become big in the future once its proved possible.

There might be a lot of pi**ed off people when they learn its been available for more than half a century.

Hehe, sounds like an awesome way to get rich quick... just tell people they will live forever and freeze them for insane amounts of money.