Bogeyman
Jan 25 2005, 11:56 AM
NATO Meets E.T.
Name: Robert O. Dean, retired Army command sergeant major Claims:
Back in the Sixties, NATO issued a classified report stating
that UFOs were real, of extraterrestrial origin, and had
visited the earth. This extraordinary report was said to come
out of NATO's command center the Supreme Headquarters Allied
Powers, Europe (SHAPE), located then just outside of Paris, France.
Background: Dean, a highly decorated veteran, served on the
front lines in both Korea and Viet Nam. In 1963, while
assigned to the Supreme Headquarters Operataions Center (SHOC),
SHPAE's war room, headed up by then supreme allied commander of
Europe, General Lyman Lemnitzer, Dean claims he was able to
read the detailed 12 inch thick NATO reports on UFOs.
The Story: "SHAPE was one of those choice assignments. You had
to have a spotless record and pass security background checks.
I applied on a whim and got it. I was very proud and please.
At SHAPE, I was put through more security checks, given a
COSMIC TOP SECRET (yes this is a real term) clearance, the
highest NATO has, and assined to the SHOC (the NATO war room).
In those days, the activity would run hot and cold and much of
it would depend on how the Soviets wanted to play it. The most
intriguing thing to me was that we were continually having a
problem with large, metallic, circular objects that would
appear over central Europe; these were reported as visual
phenomena by our pilots and appeared on radar as well. Some
flew in formation, and most of the time we spotted them coming
out of the Soviet Union, over East Germany, West Germany,
France, and then they would often circle somewhere over the
English Channel and head north, disappearing from NATO radar
over the Norwegian Sea. These objects were very large, moving
very fast, at very high altitudes--higher than we could reach
at the time--and they seemed obviously under intellient control.
I was told this had been going on for some time and that in
February 1961 there had been quite a scare. Fifty of these
objects were spotted on radar and headed in formation from the
Soviet Union toward Europe, flying at about 100,000 feet. The
Soviets had closed all borders. Everybody went to red alert.
All hell broke loose. We really thought the War had started.
We scrambled. We knew the Russians were scrambling. It was the
largest number of these objects that had been seen. Fortunately--and
only by the grace of God--we didn't start bombing and neither did the
Russians. In nine minutes they were gone.
I was told that then Deputy Supreme Allied Commander of Europe,
Sir Thomas Pike, had been repeatedly requesting information
from London and Washington about these objects, but nothing
woold ever come. We found out later that the Columbine-Topaz
spy ring in Paris was intercepting everything and forwarding it
to the KGB, which often got intelligence information even
before we did. So Pike decided, I was told, to develop an in
house study to determine whether these objects were a military threat.
In the meantime, the UFO matter literally brought about the
establishment of direct communication between the East and West
in 1962, which I have always found interesting and ironic. We
had pretty well determined by that time that these were not Russian craft,
and the Russians had determined they were not ours. So, we came to an
understanding, and a direct telephone line was opened between SHOC
and the Warsaw Pact Headquarters Command. Of course, a setup was
always a possibility, so we had backup ways of checking out whether the
Russians were being truthful. But since we were both armed to the teeth
andWWIII was just ticking away, it was a logical step in the right direction.
That idea developed into the hotlinebetween the president of the US and
the soviet premier, following theCuban Missle Crisis.
Well, by the time I arrived in 1963, everybody had been talking
about the study and I had heard the rumours, seen the blips on
radar, witnessed the commotions and some of us occasionally
even talked about the possibilities. But nothing really
prepared me for what I started to read in the early morning
hours one night in January 1964.
It was about 2:00 a.m. and a relatively quiet night when the
SCHOC controller on duty went into the vault and came out with
this huge document. 'Take a look at this,' he said. The title
was simply: ASSESSMENT: AN EVALUATION OF A POSSIBLE MILITARY
THREAT TO ALLIED FORCES IN EUROPE. It wasnumbered, #3, stamped
COSMIC TOP SECRET, had eight inches worth of appendices, dozens
of photographs and had been signed into the vault by German
colonel Heinz Berger, SHOC's head of security: I quickly
learned that it was based on two and a half years
of research, was funded by NATO money, and that only 15 copies
were published -- in English, German, and French. Each one was
numbered. All were classified and ordered to be kept under
lock and key.
Every time I got the chance, from then until I left, I would
read a section or two in it. It was the most intriguing
document I'd ever read. It was put together by military
representatives of every NATO nation and also included
contributions from some of the greatest scientific minds.
These objects were violating all of our known laws of physics
and the study team had gone to Cambridge, Oxfor, the Sorbonne,
MIT and other major universities for input on chemistry,
physics, atmospheric physics, biology, history, [psychology,
and even theology, all of which were separate appendices.
I read about theories on Einstein's sought after unified field
theory, the high radiation at various landing sites and UFO
reports that dated back to the Roman era and up to our own F105
pilots' sightings and encounters, and on and on. I had always
been a skeptic, but this report, well...it concluded that this
stuff was not science fiction.
I read about contact encounnters. One incident that had just
happened in 1963 involved a landing on a Danish farm.
According to the report, the farmer went aboard with the two
little beings and two more human looking men who spoke to him
in Danish. The report included parts of his interrogation by
government authorities and their conclusions that he was
telling the truth. In another incident, according to the
reports, a craft landed on an Italian airfield and offered to
take an Italian sergeant for a ride. He wet his pants--that's
what it said--and was so scared, he didn't go.
The appendix that really got to me was titled 'Autopsies.' I
saw pictures of a 30 meter disc that had crashed in
Timmensdorfer, Germany, near the Baltic Sea in 1961. The
British Army, according to the report, got there first and put
up a perimeter. The craft had landed in very soft, loamy soil
near the Russian border and so hadn't destructed, but one third
of it was buried in. We and the Russians who also quickly
showed up had both tracked it.
Inside there were 12 small bodies. All dead. There were
pictures of the bodies, which looked like the beings known as
the 'grays,' being laid out and then put on stretchers and
loaded into jeeps, and autopsy photos, too. Some of the little
grays appeared to not be a reproductive capable species. The
autopsy guys concluded, according to the report, that it looked
as if they had been cut out of a cookie cutter -- clones with
no alimentary tract. They did not ingest or process food as we
know it, nor did it appear that they had any system for
elimination.
The craft itself was cut up like a pie into six pieces, put on
lowboys and hauled off. Scuttlebutt was that it was given to
the Americans and flown to Wright-Patterson Air Force base in
Ohio. I looked at these picture and couldn't believe it. My
skin got cold and I thought, My God. I had never really
believed we were all alone in the universe, but this was hard
to swallow.
The major conclusions in the NATO report blew me away. There
were five:
1) The planet and human race had been the subject of a detailed
survey of some kind by several different extra terrestrial
civilizations, four of which they had identified visually. One
race looked almost indistinguishable from us. Another
resembled humans in height, stature, and structure, but with a
very gray, pasty skin tone. The third race is now popularly
known as the grays and the fourth was described as reptilian,
with vertical pupils and lizard like skin.
2) These alien visitations had been going on for a very long
time, at least 200 years--perhaps longer.
3) The extraterrestirials did not appear hostile since if that
were their intent they would have already demonstrated their
malevolence.
4) UFO appearances and quick disappearances as well as the
flybys were demonstrations conducted on purpose to show us some
of their capabilities.
5) a process or program of some sort seemed to be underway
since flybys progressed to landings and eventually contact. I
wanted so badly to copy this thing. I did take a photograph
of the cover sheet, which wasn't in and of itself classified.
But I didn't want to wind up in Fort Leavenworth. So instead I
would go to the bathroom and take notes--surreptitiously, very carefully.
I have been through an awful lot in my life, but I've never been able
to just walk away from that report. I know that I'm taking a
chance by violating my oaths. But this is the most important
issue of our times--so damn important that I can't think of
anything more important, and the public has been deceived
and completely kept in the dark about all of this for all these years.
It's the biggest scientific political scandal ever.
Besides, what Have I got to lose? I'm 64 years old now.
Are they going to bump me off? I have told the truth and my
integrity and credibility stand. When is our government going
to tell the truth?"
Zepher_One
Jan 25 2005, 10:32 PM

Read your article was very intriged by it! Yes, the government is still covering up anything that deals with Ufo's, I am a Ufo Buff, and i do know that Ufo's Exist today, we are not alone, on this planet! Wait! till the day comes, when an actual S

pace Ship lands, there will be mass Hysteria, Why? Because of the govenment keeping things from the public, when they should of been told! Come on, whats the big deal!?? Everyone knows of Ufo's either they believe or they don't, it's your choice! And God Bless you for telling the truth!!!
Bogeyman
Jan 26 2005, 10:53 AM
Blazea58
Jan 26 2005, 12:21 PM
QUOTE
Because of the govenment keeping things from the public, when they should of been told! Come on, whats the big deal!??
Religion would crumble apart if the government told the truth about this. Like the saying goes "Some things are better kept secret"
I really do belive Robert O. Dean, is telling the truth, as there has been many people that simply cant hold in all they have seen or been told. Think how hard it would be to be at such a high clearence. Your entire life would be a secret, your family wouldn't know much about what you do at work, and you would probably end up spilling out some information.
I remember hearing about alot of Ufo sightings in Russia during this period of time, and there is alot of pictures of recovered Ufo's that had crashed.
These types of things were happening on more then a regular basis.
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We really thought the War had started.
We scrambled. We knew the Russians were scrambling. It was the
largest number of these objects that had been seen. Fortunately--and
only by the grace of God--we didn't start bombing and neither did the
Russians. In nine minutes they were gone.
I really wish i could find more information on this sighting, as i have not found any about it. It must have been documented somewhere, as it seems like something that would have had serious effects if they were to have started shooting at these objects.
Can you post the link to the site you got this information from?
Here are some of the russian ufo pictures.
Also a bit of info on the second and Third picture.
Something enormous and fiery crashed, resulting in considerable Soviet government cover-up. Films have been obtained and verified by experts revealing the possible crash of a flying saucer and the finding of a badly mutilated alien body, also filmed during autopsy. This incredible information was featured 9-13-98 on TNT (Turner Network Television) program "The Secret UFO Files of the KGB".
I also wish Robert would have just stolen that book that he had kept reading, and just went nuts photocopying them and publishing them up on every internet page possible

lol. Seems a bit weird, but at the same time the story is backed up with alot of real information also.
Bio-Mage
Jan 26 2005, 03:38 PM
I find it particularly interesting that this report mentions all the different types (major ones at least) of alien morphologies seen throughout the years. I suppose it could explain the difference between the variety of craft in those reports too.
However I can not help but wonder. If this is true, is their agenda the same as well? I mean we get more abduction stories for example associated with greys but I never heard about reptilian ones before. On the other hand we do hear a lot about "reptile" people being human impostors in many stories told in books and published online. Do they study or infiltrate us in different ways? Either this is true or not, the goverments in my opinion have more to account for than just alien diclosure which is why they may find it hard to come out with the truth.
Richdog
Jan 26 2005, 03:45 PM
Jeez well if that is at all true, the racethat is physically identical to us could have been among us for some time...
Possibly even some of the "great" minds of human history...
Hypothetically speaking of course...
pete juffalo
Jan 26 2005, 04:07 PM
the race that are identical to us?
are they goths?
zandore
Jan 26 2005, 04:09 PM
QUOTE(Bogeyman @ Jan 26 2005, 10:53 AM)
I will be standing right beside you.
Zepher_One
Jan 26 2005, 11:41 PM
QUOTE(Bogeyman @ Jan 26 2005, 06:53 AM)

Like no one has ever heard of UFO's get real here! What does the Government have to hide? That most of us already have guessed on our own??? yes, you are correct it would be the Best thing if one ever landed, think of the high Teck things we could aquire, let alone the knowledge, we could sure use it!! I just hope, like you, that it might happen in our life time, But i am pretty sure that we will get a Signal from Seti sometime soon, with such a vast Galaxy, for sure there is life out there, looks to me, we are not the stupid ones! It's the Government!! Na-na-na-na-na-na!! We are the world here, along with those Aliens!!! Bring 'em on, that's what i say!!!!

Zepher_one
Blood Angel
Jan 26 2005, 11:49 PM
I have read this article before, its contents is however skeptical, the only thing i can verify are the clearance codes. Had them verified by someone who used to frequent NATO HQ quite often back then. But the rest - i can't confirm.
(if you want to know more about these "humanlike" ETs, read my MJ12 article)
QUOTE(jeceris @ Jan 26 2005, 08:29 PM)
now there's a cover up, involving rcmp, navy, norad and i'm sure nato.
from the 1960's.
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I always suspected the mounties...with their huge hats and red coats...
zandore
Jan 27 2005, 02:12 PM
QUOTE(Blood Angel @ Jan 26 2005, 11:49 PM)
I have read this article before, its contents is however skeptical, the only thing i can verify are the clearance codes. Had them verified by someone who used to frequent NATO HQ quite often back then. But the rest - i can't confirm.
(if you want to know more about these "humanlike" ETs, read my MJ12 article)
QUOTE(jeceris @ Jan 26 2005, 08:29 PM)
now there's a cover up, involving rcmp, navy, norad and i'm sure nato.
from the 1960's.
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I always suspected the mounties...with their huge hats and red coats...
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Don't forget the MIB (Men In Black)
Bogeyman
Jan 27 2005, 03:46 PM
I have to ask (and i'm only being devils advocate here)...if so so many people from all over the world (thousands) have been involved in such a massive international cover up for so many years .....60 ? shouldnt we have at least one piece of rock solid evidence by now...statistically i think we should !
Im not nae saying here but doesnt it make you wonder ?
I mean rock solid evidence such as smuggled out films that cant be debunked or photo's with known military personell meeting the critters ...stuff like that....what ja rekon ?
Zepher_One
Jan 28 2005, 01:13 PM
QUOTE(Bogeyman @ Jan 27 2005, 11:46 AM)
I have to ask (and i'm only being devils advocate here)...if so so many people from all over the world (thousands) have been involved in such a massive international cover up for so many years .....60 ? shouldnt we have at least one piece of rock solid evidence by now...statistically i think we should !
Im not nae saying here but doesnt it make you wonder ?
I mean rock solid evidence such as smuggled out films that cant be debunked or photo's with known military personell meeting the critters ...stuff like that....what ja rekon ?

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Down with all the cover ups and lies! Yes!! someone out there has proof as to what's going on, it's time for them to fess up to the public!!! For years we have known about Ufo's, aliens and the such, but we need a NO Spin Zone here with Fair and Balanced truth to this matter!!!

It's about time for our Blinders to be taken off about this! What say you??? Get with the program. i say!!! We Need Evidence and truth!!!!

Victory goes to those who are willing to fight!!!

It's like haveing 20 20 vision, but we are walking around blind!!!
zandore
Jan 28 2005, 02:53 PM
There has been evidence gathered over many years. Yes some of them have been proven to be fake but not all. What about those that could not be identified as fake or real? Astronauts/Cosmonauts have seen things that they could not identify, Taken pictures and video of moving objects in space at an angle away from the Earth. In orbit to see a meteorite you have to look down. There have been objects photographed on the moon that are unexplained. these men are highly trained to observe there surroundings because the mission and their life depends on it. There is evidence, It has to be looked at all of it. Every single shred of it.
Zepher_One
Jan 28 2005, 04:56 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Jan 28 2005, 10:53 AM)
There has been evidence gathered over many years. Yes some of them have been proven to be fake but not all. What about those that could not be identified as fake or real? Astronauts/Cosmonauts have seen things that they could not identify, Taken pictures and video of moving objects in space at an angle away from the Earth. In orbit to see a meteorite you have to look down. There have been objects photographed on the moon that are unexplained. these men are highly trained to observe there surroundings because the mission and their life depends on it. There is evidence, It has to be looked at all of it. Every single shred of it.
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Yes, i do agree with you, that we were told of some things to which they want us to know, but there is more reports that are being stored behind closed doors, Lool at the crash of an Ufo that was in Roswell, New Mexico, did they not cover it up, by saying it was a weather balloon???? When the owner of the land seen it for himself? amoung others?? What about the aliens aboard,? We know one survived and was kept alive for almost 5 yrs, that was hushed up too You can't tell me that those Rover's up on Mars have not captured pictures of UFO fly by's either, they airbush them out, so we the public do not see them. Even the astonoauts have i am sure,

out for a space walk have seen them, i'm sure, but it will not be televised,

If any higher up's have been conversing with an actual Alien, we'll never hear about it! I thank you for your reply... Zepher_one
zandore
Jan 28 2005, 05:58 PM
We have been and we are being visited by UFOs piloted by aliens. It is only a matter of time before they show themselves.
MedicTJ
Jan 28 2005, 08:14 PM
QUOTE
The appendix that really got to me was titled 'Autopsies.' I
saw pictures of a 30 meter disc that had crashed in
Timmensdorfer, Germany, near the Baltic Sea in 1961. The
British Army, according to the report, got there first and put
up a perimeter. The craft had landed in very soft, loamy soil
near the Russian border and so hadn't destructed, but one third
of it was buried in. We and the Russians who also quickly
showed up had both tracked it.
I have asked this question more than a few times, and I'll ask it again......
These craft can work outside the boundaries of our known laws of physics. They are extraterrestrial in nature so that means that they must come from another planet.
So....they get off of their planet...travel all the way here doing all this crazy "breaking the laws of known physics" stuff, only to realize that they forgot how to land..........
Does that seem very plausible to you?
That there may be "other-worldly" beings in craft visiting us may very well be true. But for them to travel all this way and then forget to put the landing gear down is a bit much.
Zepher_One
Jan 28 2005, 10:00 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Jan 28 2005, 01:58 PM)
We have been and we are being visited by UFOs piloted by aliens. It is only a matter of time before they show themselves.
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Yes, and it's so-oo Hard to wait for that day! I feel they are just not ready for a personal touchdown just yet, they are waiting for the right time , till they believe the time is right!!! And we learn to except them for whom they are!!! And i believe it will not be long! Zepher_one
Zepher_One
Jan 28 2005, 10:03 PM
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I say, Come on down, Welcome. we've been waiting!!!

Zepher_One
Zepher_One
Jan 28 2005, 10:09 PM
QUOTE(MedicTJ @ Jan 28 2005, 04:14 PM)
QUOTE
The appendix that really got to me was titled 'Autopsies.' I
saw pictures of a 30 meter disc that had crashed in
Timmensdorfer, Germany, near the Baltic Sea in 1961. The
British Army, according to the report, got there first and put
up a perimeter. The craft had landed in very soft, loamy soil
near the Russian border and so hadn't destructed, but one third
of it was buried in. We and the Russians who also quickly
showed up had both tracked it.
I have asked this question more than a few times, and I'll ask it again......
These craft can work outside the boundaries of our known laws of physics. They are extraterrestrial in nature so that means that they must come from another planet.
So....they get off of their planet...travel all the way here doing all this crazy "breaking the laws of known physics" stuff, only to realize that they forgot how to land..........
Does that seem very plausible to you?
That there may be "other-worldly" beings in craft visiting us may very well be true. But for them to travel all this way and then forget to put the landing gear down is a bit much.
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These Alien's, are not Dumb, don't kid yourself, remember they are very High Teck, it must be as far as i consider or ponder the issue, they are just not ready for a touch down, they probably think we Earthlings can't handle it yet, remember we are kept from the media as to whats going on, and i think untill things are opened and we learn the truth about these aliens

They will not touch down!

Zepher_one
Blood Angel
Jan 28 2005, 10:35 PM
QUOTE(MedicTJ @ Jan 28 2005, 09:14 PM)
I have asked this question more than a few times, and I'll ask it again......
These craft can work outside the boundaries of our known laws of physics. They are extraterrestrial in nature so that means that they must come from another planet.
So....they get off of their planet...travel all the way here doing all this crazy "breaking the laws of known physics" stuff, only to realize that they forgot how to land..........
Does that seem very plausible to you?
That there may be "other-worldly" beings in craft visiting us may very well be true. But for them to travel all this way and then forget to put the landing gear down is a bit much.
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Your working under the assumption, that because their machines are "perfect" so to must be the pilot. Don't we often crash our own vehicles? Pilot error can happen even if you
are a "alien". Not only that but their could have been technical difficulties, if they can break the laws of physics (of which i might add are our laws and limitations - doesn't automatically mean that they cannot be broken with the aid of technology.) they must be higly complex, like our own aircraft - and thus are prone to malfunction. Try not to think of everything which is eons before us as ultimately perfect.
Zepher_One
Jan 28 2005, 11:27 PM
QUOTE(Blood Angel @ Jan 28 2005, 06:35 PM)
QUOTE(MedicTJ @ Jan 28 2005, 09:14 PM)
I have asked this question more than a few times, and I'll ask it again......
These craft can work outside the boundaries of our known laws of physics. They are extraterrestrial in nature so that means that they must come from another planet.
So....they get off of their planet...travel all the way here doing all this crazy "breaking the laws of known physics" stuff, only to realize that they forgot how to land..........
Does that seem very plausible to you?
That there may be "other-worldly" beings in craft visiting us may very well be true. But for them to travel all this way and then forget to put the landing gear down is a bit much.
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Your working under the assumption, that because their machines are "perfect" so to must be the pilot. Don't we often crash our own vehicles? Pilot error can happen even if you
are a "alien". Not only that but their could have been technical difficulties, if they can break the laws of physics (of which i might add are our laws and limitations - doesn't automatically mean that they cannot be broken with the aid of technology.) they must be higly complex, like our own aircraft - and thus are prone to malfunction. Try not to think of everything which is eons before us as ultimately perfect.
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Ok, you have me there. after some thought, and reading, yes, they have crashed when trying to land on our planet, please excuse the statement i made, like you said they are very high teck, and it must be very complex in trying to land such a spaceship[, i read that they can fly at great speed, and it's probably hard for them to downgrade,, however you say it! And they just can't land anywhere it has to be presice. So i will agree with you on this aspect.....

Zepher_one
MedicTJ
Jan 29 2005, 03:28 PM
Okay, let me try to explain a little better.
Here's the list of supposed "known" UFO crash sites:
http://www.unex-t.com/thetruth/crash.htmNow come on. Not even NASA themselves has that kind of margin for error. These guys are this technologically advanced, yet NASA has a better record? NASA has had 2 manned space flights which have taken flight that have resulted in "crashes". They've had one flight which
should have crashed or failed at some point (Apollo 13) yet they were able to save the crew.
And NASA has a better record than the aliens do?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zepher_One
Jan 29 2005, 03:47 PM
QUOTE(MedicTJ @ Jan 29 2005, 11:28 AM)
Okay, let me try to explain a little better.
Here's the list of supposed "known" UFO crash sites:
http://www.unex-t.com/thetruth/crash.htmNow come on. Not even NASA themselves has that kind of margin for error. These guys are this technologically advanced, yet NASA has a better record? NASA has had 2 manned space flights which have taken flight that have resulted in "crashes". They've had one flight which
should have crashed or failed at some point (Apollo 13) yet they were able to save the crew.
And NASA has a better record than the aliens do?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am not saying that Nasa has a better record than the Aliens, when it comes to landing. i am thinking it might be because of the gravity pull in our Atmospere that might make it difficult for a spaceship to land, remember these are Huge and high teck like you said, i understand your point here, they would need to find a really cleared out area to be able to land,you know they return to their own planet, with sucess i believe, but our planet is a whole new ball game here, our air is probaby different all kinds of things could be involved with landing

I am no Rocket Scientest here

just surmizing what could go wrong ok?
Blood Angel
Jan 29 2005, 05:03 PM
QUOTE(MedicTJ @ Jan 29 2005, 04:28 PM)
Now come on. Not even NASA themselves has that kind of margin for error. These guys are this technologically advanced, yet NASA has a better record? NASA has had 2 manned space flights which have taken flight that have resulted in "crashes". They've had one flight which should have crashed or failed at some point (Apollo 13) yet they were able to save the crew.
And NASA has a better record than the aliens do?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To compare a "spaceship/saucer" to nasa's shuttles and rockets (of which are very few in number, compared to the amount of sightings of "UFOs") is very fallable. A better way for comparision would be to compare to every flying vehicle in the world, since i would estimate there to be just as many sightings of UFOs per year as terrestrial aircraft in the skies. Try comparing say....saucers to boeing planes, that would more accurately reflect "safety records" of "aliens".
zandore
Jan 29 2005, 05:39 PM
QUOTE(MedicTJ @ Jan 29 2005, 03:28 PM)
Okay, let me try to explain a little better.
Here's the list of supposed "known" UFO crash sites:
http://www.unex-t.com/thetruth/crash.htmNow come on. Not even NASA themselves has that kind of margin for error. These guys are this technologically advanced, yet NASA has a better record? NASA has had 2 manned space flights which have taken flight that have resulted in "crashes". They've had one flight which
should have crashed or failed at some point (Apollo 13) yet they were able to save the crew.
And NASA has a better record than the aliens do?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nasa has had more accidents than this. There was one rocket that burned on the pad that was ready to launch for one.
Zepher_One
Jan 29 2005, 06:10 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Jan 29 2005, 01:39 PM)
QUOTE(MedicTJ @ Jan 29 2005, 03:28 PM)
Okay, let me try to explain a little better.
Here's the list of supposed "known" UFO crash sites:
http://www.unex-t.com/thetruth/crash.htmNow come on. Not even NASA themselves has that kind of margin for error. These guys are this technologically advanced, yet NASA has a better record? NASA has had 2 manned space flights which have taken flight that have resulted in "crashes". They've had one flight which
should have crashed or failed at some point (Apollo 13) yet they were able to save the crew.
And NASA has a better record than the aliens do?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nasa has had more accidents than this. There was one rocket that burned on the pad that was ready to launch for one.
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What ever???I thought the issue was over, why so many crashes for the Aliens? So your saying Nasa has a better record Ok!! Probably so! But what is the reasons for so many crashes with UFO's, that is what i am asking you!

Totally copnfused!!!

Now!
Athenian
Jan 29 2005, 06:13 PM
Why must space aliens explain their actions to you humans...
Maybe crashing their UFOs onto alien planets is some cultural tradition or an advanced sense of humor bizarre to us.
zandore
Jan 29 2005, 06:20 PM
QUOTE(Athenian @ Jan 29 2005, 06:13 PM)
Why must space aliens explain their actions to you humans...
Maybe crashing their UFOs onto alien planets is some cultural tradition or an advanced sense of humor bizarre to us.

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I hope it isn't something we start to take up.
malakiem
Jan 30 2005, 07:33 AM
QUOTE(Bogeyman @ Jan 26 2005, 06:53 AM)
I'm starting to think that it's not about mass hysteria, i definately see the alien getting factured into the christian religion. they can do that, instead of killing themselves, that goes for every religion, belief system and person. Sometimes i think it's either A. The government has long forgotten about ufo's and just doesn't care anymore if there faced with it, B. Alien info is there property, there the ones that found the info, so it's there's in general, or C. It's all about national security, we supposedly have threats in the world, like those strange little people above south korea. And those cubans and loatians can bite your head off.