Someone brought this up to me earlier...

If the US government is so corrupt as millions of people worldwide and at least 90% of the posters on these boards believe...

Then why didn't they just PLANT weapons of mass-destruction in Iraq? Why go through all the fuss of being proven wrong and the resulting mess that would be remembered for decades to come?

Even the corrupt can learn from their mistakes, and they have made many

maybe the reprocussions of being caught planting WMD were thought to be worse than not finding any at all. I think that the 3 day "we're gonna start bombing" warning the US gave to iraq was intended to cover the fact that no WMD may have been found.

The forces of Bushon grow stronger...


All of our fates now lie in the coming messiah with the One Ring...

the Pretzalman already failed, and he had 3 rings:)

its because they are intentionally trying to prepare the globe,mentally,to hate america so that when they nuke us and release the small pox they can blame it on our foreign policy and the hate for america-tptb control both sides of the war and its a ploy designed to sink both sides into debt-they dont care who wins because either way lockheed.halliburton,and many others will have their contracts and the people will be thinned at the same time as owing millions-

Planting WMD is not as easy as some would think, and I don't know why you think it is, it could take years and millionsof dollars to prepare a site for those types of weapons, and the media is already flocking all over Iraq they would not of been able to be so discrete, and they obviously did not want to spend even more money on useless S@#T

But Gmac1000 this is a government that some people thing have pulled off some of the greatest, most complex, and brilliant hoaxes in history: the moon landings, JFK, 911, etc.

'Finding' WMD should have been a snap for them. It really is the same old idiot-savant scenario that so many conspiracy theories invariably produce; the ability of the evil American empire to fool the world and pull off the invasion of Iraq to further their satanic plans of world domination, but the inability to simply fake their way out of it--when anybody capable of the depths of brilliant deception they are supposed to have should have easily solved the problem--makes them complete bumbling idiots.

IMO that is just a way for people who believe the US is behind everything bad in the world to have an intellectual out when their theories are challenged.

Hey everybody, I'm almost positive the government was created as an OPIATE for the masses and is bent on making your voice, vote, and life worthless! Yeah, down with homework, and down with Bush!

Please grow up. The government is doing the best it can with what it has to work with, and the presidency is one of the hardest jobs in the world, even without a handful of whining morons on your parade route.

I'm almost positive the government was created as an OPIATE for the masses
The Government was created, to serve the colonists. Not to control them.

and is bent on making your voice, vote, and life worthless!
No, what it is. Is bent on making as much money as it can. Human life is unimportant except for when it affects the publics opinion. Keep people "Satisfied"
And they will not revolt. America has a overabundance, and yet we have people starving to death. Or missing there mortage for taxes.
Yeah, down with homework,
Down with homework? No, How about down with forced education.
and down with Bush!
My sentiments Exactly.

Please grow up.
I would rather further my own intelligence, than fulfill your ideas of maturity.
The government is doing the best it can with what it has to work with,
And what persay does it have to work with? From what I can tell, the bush administration turned a 5 billion dollar surplus into a 55 billion dollar debt. Oh and lets not forget the national debt per citizen rose from just $500 dollars to $27000 dollars.
and the presidency is one of the hardest jobs in the world,
Your right, Makes me wonder how a bumbling idiot could slip through.
even without a handful of whining morons on your parade route.
Handful? There were around 200'000 people on the route. I think 7000 people out of that small a number is less than a handful. I know tons of people who tried to go, but were not allowed through. Or couldnt make it in time.

All the Governments of the world are corrupt...

at least thats what I think...

Correct, and the USA their grand king!

Not all the Governments of the world have the fire power of the US

Uh oh. Just had a scary thought:

"The WMD's present in Iraq were secretly removed to neighbouring <Insert as appropriate>. We now have undeniable proof, attack imminent, etc, etc".

Anyone else see this one coming?

What would of been the point of planting WMD?
they would of been better off just say that they "suspect" that Iraq had WMD, after all it worked didn't it? And they didn't have to spend any more loot, and risk the chance of anyone noticing when the dust settles that the planted WMD were American made, then they would definitely have some explaining to do.
They knew that after 9/11, they would have enough support to go after any country that was supporting terrorists, I am from Belfast N.Ireland and even the IRA and UVF, UFF etc. and all the other terrorist groups were actually fearing for the first time, not knowing what George W. Bush was going to do with his "War on Terror" but luckily the only country that where supporting terrorists was IRAQ!!!, What? the only country, (other that Afghan.) the same country daddy tried to take 15 years earlier but couldn't do without starting a third world war, too risky for the old man, but he is sticking close to Georgie boy now isn't he folks? Why isn't he off enjoying retirement like ever other nice old guy? playing some good golf and going to bed at 7pm. Guess he's got some good tips for the Big W. Makes sure he gets the job done right. Could he be sick of the re-runs of Seinfeld as well?

Does all that answer your question Manfred?

I couldn't help but notice that the hard core conspiracy theorists have avoided this thread. But the "they are intentionally trying to prepare the glode, mentally, to hate america so that when they nuke us and release the smallpox they can blame it on our foreign policy and the hate for america" part was very inventive.

What makes you think it's so easy to plant these weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and not be found out? Besides, it could also be an excuse to prolong their stay in Iraq and also plan their next move against Iran :claiming to be in search for these weapons.

Exactly! well said Bone Collector,

Thanks Dude!

The WMD excuse worked for them didn't it?The damage is already done.
Why would they bother pulling off such an elaborate hoax? Even If they don't find any WMD in Iraq at all, then can easily focus their talk on terrorists and make it their primary excuse.

Even if they manage to plant WMD in Iraq and tell the world that Iraq had them, would it really make a big difference, would they then leave Iraq to itself and return?Certainly not,they would then turn their talk towards terrorists and plan
their next moves against other anti US countries blaming them for harbouring
these terrorists.

Tell me Mad Manfred, do you really think they care what the world thinks? do you really think they feel the need to justify their actions?

Things would have at least been no worse if Bush had told the real reason for the invasion of Iraq. The whole WMD thing was an attempt to placate as much of the world as possible.

IMO the real reason was to drop a huge American force into the heart of a region incredibly hostile toward us, sort of a Normandy Invasion of the war on terror, and fight them in their neighborhood.

One can disagree with our Middle East policy and blame our foreign policy for how we got into this war all one wants, but if I was a general in charge of trying to figure out how to beat this new kind of enemy I wouldn't even think about that; it's a moot point.

What I would do is find a nation that is already on shaky ground with the world community, that has a leader who many of its citizens despise, and whose military was as weak as possible and insert some power there. Enter Iraq. Since most of the international intelligence services already suspected very strongly Saddam had WMD, I would concentrate on that angle instead of doing what was, although strategically appropriate, not quite on the up-and-up legal wise by invading Iraq.

Much to their consternation, it turned out that Saddam's WMD program seems to have been grossly exaggerated, not just by American intelligence but by intelligence services world wide. Getting caught planting WMD's in Iraq would have made a bad situation worse. Regardless, the deed was done anyway.

So I agree with you somewhat Bone Collector, as far as why planting WMD in Iraq may have not been necessary or desirable. But where I disagree is your attitude of complete illegitimacy.

If one treats the war on terror as a simple diplomatic issue, then perhaps the US is coming on a little too strong. If, like many Americans, you were to consider it to be an actual war, then how exactly would you expect it to be pursued?

There is no war! you don't Iraqi's flying into America deploying troops, bombing houses, killing people at check points, that is not happening in America and probably never will. What you got going on here is a one sided bulling, were American troops go into a country and start destroying everything in sight, that to me is not a war, and I feel for the American troops who are over there not knowing if they can come home, fighting in what they think is a war but in fact they are being used as mercanaries, killing so someone somewhere can get even richer. Work of the devil himself.

I agree. It's not so much that Bush lied, but that he was acting on faulty intelligence. This was even backed by intelligence sources from other nations(nations who's leaders lacked the back bone to act on the sources from their own intelligence).


There is a war, and it's against terrorism. Iraqi's and the coalition troops are fighting against the terror trying to tear the country apart. Suicide attacks, road side bombs, mortar attacks…this isn’t a conventional war, but an unconventional war. The Iraqi’s and the coalition against the terrorists. If you think it isn’t a war, perhaps you should go over there and talk to the Iraqi’s.


Occupation forces have check points, if those points are in jeapardy, defensive measures must be taken. Coalition forces, working with Iraqi forces, have to destroy homes sometimes to kill the terrorists. Unfortunately that is the nature of this unconventional war.

None of this is happening in your country though.
Just seems a little one sided war to me.
The so called terroists in Iraq aren't really attacking the world or even any other country thats not occupying their country that is, seems that they are defending more than they are attacking. Not much of a War, IMO. But I could be wrong

Good questions Mad Manfred?...... I have asked this to people before.

Well, the essential problem is that you seem to be talking about something called a "fair" war. There is no such animal. Wars are no longer fought by two armies taking the fields, and the kings and generals sitting on the hillside drinking tea and directing the troops. Our side no longer considers death a necessary part of honor, but rather an inevitable part of war and one hopefully avoided whenever possible. If we have planes, and they have planes, then we do not send our planes out after theirs; rather, we shoot missiles from 200 miles away and destroy their planes before they ever threaten our planes and ground personnel.

Now, in a war, one is playing the offense, and the other is playing the defense. Very rarely, in this world of modern transportation and communication, will a field advatage gain an army enough to make it worth massive casualties. No, the insurgents are not invading our soil; yes, we are indeed the invaders, however, while we did invade and destroy their government, do not forget that they themselves did the exact same thing less than three generations ago, and were nowhere near as merciful as we in their take-over. Is a thief entitled to defend the money he stole? Of course, but who would feel sorry for him?

This war could have been over in two weeks, without a single loss of American life. We could have simply carpet-bombed a 50,000 hole golf course into the Iraqui desert and been done with it. But we didn't. We chose to take this route, and we chose it knowing that the price for our mercy would be the lives of our American soldiers. I cannot think of any other time in history when a country has chosen to do this, nor can I think of a time when the full brunt of a nation's weapons industry was focused not on wanton destruction, but on minimalization of unnecesary damage. We have come a long way, and, no, wars are not now, nor will they ever again be, fair.

He made it up. Obvisously. The Bush family comes from oil. He wanted the oil!

Terrorism is a tool, the war its self is a war against an ideology, the west vs islamism. Unfortunately Bush etc can't just come out and say that because too many uneducated dimwits will take that to mean its a war on islam.

Yes you are wrong, and this is the reason why:
We aren’t fighting in the U.S. because there are no terrorists actively attempting to destabilize the country by blowing up our infrastructure or kill innocent people on a massive and organized scale. You don’t seem to understand we aren’t fighting the Iraqi’s, but the terrorists. The people we are fighting are also occupying Iraq, and they are mostly on the offensive. The coalition forces are occupying, but are mostly on the defensive.

The terrorists aren’t attacking the world, but they are attacking Iraq, who is without a real government, without a security force to defend itself, and in some areas without homes and basic amenities because of the terrorists. The Iraqi's don’t have the means to defend themselves against the occupying forces of terrorism.

There isn't a country in te world thet could attack the U.S, not with their technology and there high financially supported military, the biggest in the world I may add, maybe thats why your taxes are so high. The only way a country or terrorist for that matter could ever be able to attack America is if America lets them, I mean you can't even fart in America without the goverment knowing about it.

My hunch on this is the same as everyone elses . If the US gov got caught planting WMD in Iraq the repricussions along with the near infinite amount of shame would be unbearable . The disgust other nations have for America would multiply by at least 10 .

Exactly it would not have been worth it, after all they allowed the 9/11 attacks to hapepen to get support from the people and the world, and luckily enough the terrorist attacked the WORLD trade centres, with more foreigners in those buildings than natives to the country they stand in, coincidence? maybe.

I agree. I think it's ridiculous to even think such nonsense.


That was hilarious
But seriously, we weren't prepared for such an attack, and our intelligence is still a long way from preventing another attack, in my opinion.

Well first, no one is supposed to be ready for an attack, thats why you don't let your enemy know when you are going to attack, thats common sense when in a war, Thats why George senior couldn't take Iraq before, He didn't know that Saddam had CNN news and new when America was going to attack.
And second, Bush and his Admin. new about the attacks way before the attacks ever took place, failing to act on it, and also, when the first plane crashed and CNN was covering the story, the title for the story was "U.S under attack" and that title was posted before the second plane even came near, so, why did they not think that it was just a plane accident? who called the news room and said that U.S was under attack? before the second plane came in and then everyone realised that it was no accident.
There will not be another attack like that ever again, trust me, that is of course the government wants to be attacked.

Since this thread is in the conspiracies section of the board, I just had a thought. ( I do every once in a while, bad habit I know).

One interesting byproduct of the thoughts on this thread about how there's no way the US would have risked being caught planting WMD in Iraq because of the repercussions

There are a lot of silly conspiracies attributed to the US by wild-eyed people, such as the moon landings, JFK, 911, etc where the repercussions would have been even worse, and the conspiracy even harder to achieve.

Those of you who actually believe in all those supposed grand conspiracies by the US government, and who are nodding at those in this thread who suggest the us wouldn't have wanted to plant WMD in Iraq, should keep that in mind.

Planting weapons od Mass Destruction at this day and age, would be allot harder to pull off than, paying a couple of hillbillies to shoot your president from afar, or build a cheap ass set to stage the moon landing, these all took place on American soil as well and when you control the rules of the game then the game is real easy to play.

How the hell do you wake up one day with WMDs under your pillow? If you randomly hide WMDs here and there, what will prevent them from falling into the wrong hands and being used...?

Oh please. The US "let" it happen.

Oh and btw, do you know that the WTC is a very culturally diverse workplace? Not only on 9/11, but pretty much every day!



Same as what happened with Pearl Harbour... they didnt believe it would happen.



Because maybe they saw the plane banking INTO the tower? What, you think all the news companies were in on the conspiracy?



Too bad the "evidense" has been shot down many times...

Like someone already said "They got the support to do what they needed to do. Think about it, most people would be less likely to think they were corrupt, but instead incompetent, like the one who posted this message. People would say "see they planted the weapons!" Instead they only look a little incompetent. They have had this "oops , my mistake" mentallity all along. "oops, missed the 911 thing", "oops, No WMD's" That's much better than being predictable" I assure you, they are kicking our ass!

Rigz

They definately new prior, and you would need to be pretty ignorant to think otherwise.
The unasked question about 9/11...

If the FBI and the Bush administration had no information regarding an attack on the World Trade Center then why was the FBI inspecting the WTC complex with bomb sniffing dogs on September 10th 2001?

Answer this question and you will know the truth. Ask the people who worked in the WTC. Ask NYC Police who may have worked in coordination with the FBI. Ask the FBI agents who were conducting the inspections. That’s the key to the entire question of foreknowledge of the attacks.

"My sister worked in the World Trade Center. Fortunately she had worked late the night of 9/10 so she decided to go in a little late on the 11th; a decision that saved her life.

She lost 300 of her friends and coworkers on that infamous day.

Interestingly enough she had told me that on 9/10 there were FBI agents with bomb sniffing dogs all over her building. Her boyfriend who worked at the WTC told me the same thing. So have several people who have e-mailed me.

If you worked in the WTC and can add your voice to this claim please e-mail me.

George Bush FAILED us on 9/11
And now he wants us to rehire him!"

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_10.html

Whoops, it seems you already did...

This is especially for you Stellar. US Received Warnings of
“Airplanes As Weapons”
By Dana Priest
Washington Post
September 19, 2002

Congress will be told Wednesday that the U.S. intelligence community had received a surprising number of credible reports of a coming attack before Sept. 11, including some threats to domestic targets, according to a congressional source familiar with a joint intelligence panel report.

Preliminary findings to be released Wednesday by the staff of the joint Senate-House intelligence panel investigating the Sept. 11 strikes will also show that some intelligence analysts had already focused on the possibility that terrorists might use "airplanes as weapons" in the attacks, the source said Tuesday.

Condoleezza Rice, the national security advisor, said late in June that before the attacks analysts did not seriously consider the use of planes as bombs and therefore had not seriously considered the kind of strike that occurred. "All this reporting about hijacking was about traditional hijacking," she said at that time.

The 30-page unclassified report also will "raise serious questions" about whether the U.S. government shared enough information with the public about what it knew to be a grave threat coming from Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network, the official said.

After reading and analyzing thousands of pages of documents from the CIA, National Security Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency and others, the official said, "You start thinking: Did any one really explain to the public how serious this stuff was? Did the American people really realize the strength of the threat out there?"

Although the staff found no definitive reporting on the exact date, time and place of the coming attack, the official said there were numerous credible reports of possible domestic attacks and suggested that some of them may have been played down because the intelligence agencies were too focused on threat overseas.

"There was reporting on domestic attacks, even though a lot of people were focused overseas," the official said.

The official said that even in the summer of 2001, when intelligence officials were describing a dangerous spike in threats against the United States, at least one agency had already adopted "a declaration of war against Osama bin Laden." But, the official suggested, the seriousness of the threat from bin Laden may not have been uniformly recognized throughout the government.

"At least some part of our intelligence community recognized what is out there," the official said. But, he added, "there are issues about information sharing with the intelligence community and between the intelligence community and the rest of the federal government."

The House and Senate formed the joint panel shortly after Sept. 11 and charged it with detailing the performance of the $35 billion intelligence community and with recommending ways to report and improve the system. The panel got off to a rocky start. Members could not agree on its scope and its first staff director was forced to resign. It repeatedly delayed holding open hearings. The first one, in fact, is set for Wednesday.

A second public hearing is still in question. The panel is having a hard time convincing intelligence officials to appear in open session while the U.S. war on terrorism continues. "There are people who don't want to do public hearings on this at all," the official said.

The meeting Wednesday will not delve into the extensive information that the panel has collected on the hijackers themselves: their background, their training, and to what extent U.S. intelligence agencies were monitoring any of them.

The members of the panel have met 10 times in closed hearings, and the staff has culled through 400,000 documents at the various intelligence agencies and found roughly 70,000 pages it considered relevant to the investigation.

A working group at the CIA was set up to streamline the normal declassification process.

While hundreds of documents have been declassified, the official said there continued to be active disagreements between the panel staff and intelligence agencies over declassifying more.

Bin Laden aides still plotting

U.S. counterterrorism officials have identified two key lieutenants of Osama bin Laden - including an alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks - as the most active plotters of several Al Qaeda attacks during the past year, The Associated Press reported from Washington.

While many top Al Qaeda leaders went into hiding after Sept. 11, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abd Rahim Nashiri have taken the lead in arranging new attacks with cells in the field, U.S. officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Gmac, what made your sister think they were bomb sniffing dogs? They couldn't have been...let me think...uh...looking for survivers?

She wasn't my sister, it's a quote from the website below it, from people who work at the WTC, it was in quotation marks but I guess I should of been clearer, and also the dogs and FBI agents that where talked about were there the day before 9/11, as it says on the post Michelle 9/10, so I don't know what surivers you are refering to.

Sorry, I misread that... my bad.

the us govt did not ONLY let it happen they "orchestrated" the attack! bin laden and saddam are both cia assets and have been for many years-we put saddam in power for gods sake!-from norad standing down on 9/11 to wtc7 mysteriously "imploding" to the very telling fact that the pentagon was actually attacked after the second plane hit-anyone who thinks that the pentagon got caught off gaurd 48 min after the second plane hit the wtc is delusional-search operation "tripod II" or "vigilant gaurdian" to find out what cheney was up on 9/11-the story about the towers collapsing due to the heat from jet fuel is just as crazy as bush's and the secret services reaction to the second attack on the wtc-he was sitting in a classroom reading a book about a goat while his security did "nothing"-this fact is one of the "most" revealing aspects of his true knowledge-his visit to the class was announced a day in advance in the local papers and the instant that the second plane hit there was no doubt we were under attack yet the secret service did nothing to protect him or the children from a possible assasination attempt or attack-because they "knew" they were in no danger-at this point we can also bring up the republicans own pnac plans which detailed how their advancement towards an energy driven defense program would be a slow and tedious process unless another "pearl harbor" event were to occur-this was printed in aug,2000-the fact that the ownership of the wtc as well as a new insurance policy(first time since it was built) being implemented by silverstein just 60 days before the attacks are another red flag-he was awarded a double settlement by the way resulting the largest ever insurance pay out to date over 3 billion to be exact-one last thing to mention is the NESARA data that has recently surfaced-please read this thread concerning this-
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=32949
here is a sample of the act and some facts concerning its announcement-

what is NESARA?

please folks its time to wake up-you are really making yourselves look foolish in this time of crisis

I totally agree Sunafone

They thought they knew the plans, and it seems that they also thought it wouldnt happen for whatever reason... like Pearl Harbour.



There could be many reasons, ranging from "Nothing to do with the 9/11 plot" to "Having to do with the 9/11 plot."

For the first, they could have recieved bomb threats or suspicions from people.

For the second, they could have done it because, while they didnt put much stock into an attack happening, they decided to check on it anyway.



So answer this, if they "let" the attack happen, why did they need to sniff the building for bombs?



I never said they didnt get warnings of attacks... That doesnt mean they expected them.



Did you know that Kerry had as much power to limite the attacks as Bush (more or less)? Neither of them, and I dont think the majority of americans or even westerners, thought the US would be attacked!



Yes yes yes, we know what your paranoid beliefs are. "The US is responsible for everything! They're out to get us all! 9/11? It was the US! The tsunami? It was hte US! The person who ran over my cat? THAT WAS PRESIDENT BUSH HIMSELF!!!"





Yes, they were, at one time. That doesnt mean they always are.



Give me one credible source which proves that norad "stood down".



Mysteriously? Please. Even if it did, does that prove that the US orchestrated the attack? Nope.



Uhh... so?



Umm... it looks like you're the one thats delusional...



I thought I heard you say that there were no aircraft in the air before?

However, I remember hearing an interview with a commander that even ordered unarmed pilots from the training excercises to intercept and collide with a hijaked flight to take it out.



So I see you're saying it isnt crazy at all!



What was his security supposed to do? Start arresting the children?



Only in the minds of those who are convinced that everything is the USs fault.



So what if his visit to the class was announced a day in advance?

And what do you propose the secret service do? Start frisking the children for guns? I'm pretty sure they would have had him safe is someone decided to run into the school with a gun looking for Bush, but that didnt happen.



Yes, just as I would have known that I wasnt in danger as long as I'm in a class full of children and no armed assassins running into the school looking for me.



Yes yes, thats proof I suppose?




Yes, because, apparently, when the US is pulling off such an incredible conspiracy, they tell everyone about it except me, you, and 5 other people.





You're making yourself look delusional you mean.

Worst come back ever! and I expected something much better from yo stellar, your quoting sunafone but answering it to me

when a deviation from standard operating procedures is implemented there is no difference-In May of 2001, by presidential order, Cheney was handed direct control of all wargame and drill operations. This meant he was solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11, that prevented Standard Operating Procedure from being implemented, and any of the hijacked planes being intercepted.
intentional distractions used -
1) OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.

2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January , Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

3) OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, "It must be part of the exercise." This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn't be intercepted in time.

4) OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.

5) OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.

coincidence? lets ask Norman Mineta-
Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta was in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as Flight 77 approached Washington, D.C. On May 23, 2003 in front of the 9/11 Commission, Secretary Mineta testified:

"During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

As the plane in question hit the Pentagon, what else can we conclude but that the 'order' was not to shoot down the aircraft and to let it find its target.

Mineta stated that he did not know what the 'order' was because he wasn't there when it was made.

this comment speaks for itself-you admit an unexplained collapse yet find nothing odd about it

you do realise that the pentagon is our defense headquarters right?are you aware of the SOP concerning hijacked aircraft?obviuosly not

you thought wrong-can you ever reply without putting words in peoples mouths?

hmmm...just a thought but if his appearance was announced and the nation is under attack dont you think they would want to rush him and the children to safety?

im sorry you lack common sense

the threat that day was supposed to be from hi-jacked planes-

sadist!

im really curious as to your motive for "blindy" defending every anomaly as coincidence- i suppose its coincidence that cleanup efforts discovered molten pools of steel and concrete 6wks after the attack?

i guess its all perspective and opinion-but neither affect the ultimate truths obtained by applying common sense and scrutiny

I was concentrating on cutting up his argument into seperate points so that I can respond to it. Its damn hard when a person doesnt know how to punctuate correctly!

Here you go stellar more Info, thing is I could do this all day, the evidence is clearly stacked against you and your argument, there for it is much easier for me to prove you wrong than you pathitic insults and sarcasim, I thought you where smarter than that
They even got Warnings from foreign governments.


"The governments of at least four countries—Germany, Egypt, Russia and Israel—gave specific warnings to the US of an impending terrorist attack in the months preceding September 11. These alerts, while fragmentary, not only combined to foretell the scale of the attack and its main target, but indicated that hijacked commercial aircraft would be the weapon of choice.

According to an article in one of the major daily newspapers in Germany, published just after the destruction of the World Trade Center, the German intelligence service BND told both US and Israeli intelligence agencies in June that Middle East terrorists were “planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture.”

The newspaper cited unnamed German intelligence sources, who said that the information came through Echelon, the US-controlled system of 120 satellites which monitors all worldwide electronic communications. Echelon is operated jointly by the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand, although its existence is not officially admitted. (Source: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, September 14, 2001)

The government of Egypt sent an urgent warning to the US June 13, based on a video made by Osama bin Laden. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak told the French newspaper Le Figaro that the warning was originally delivered just before the G-8 summit in Genoa. It was taken seriously enough that antiaircraft batteries were stationed around Christopher Columbus Airport in the Italian city. According to Mubarak, bin Laden “spoke of assassinating President Bush and other heads of state in Genoa. It was a question of an airplane stuffed with explosives. These precautions then had been taken.” (Source: New York Times, September 26, 2001, “2 Leaders Tell of Plot to Kill Bush in Genoa,” by David Sanger)

According to Russian press reports, Russian intelligence notified the CIA during the summer that 25 terrorist pilots had been specifically training for suicide missions. In an interview September 15 with MSNBC, Russian President Vladimir Putin confirmed that he had ordered Russian intelligence in August to warn the US government “in the strongest possible terms” of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings. (Source: From The Wilderness web site; MSNBC).

The London-based Sunday Telegraph —an arch-conservative newspaper usually highly supportive of the Bush administration—reported that the Israeli intelligence service Mossad had delivered a warning to the FBI and CIA in August that as many as 200 followers of Osama bin Laden were slipping into the country to prepare “a major assault on the United States.” The advisory spoke of a “large-scale target” in which Americans would be “very vulnerable.” The Los Angeles Times cited unnamed US officials confirming this Mossad warning had been received. (Source: Sunday Telegraph, September 16, 2001, “Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks,” by David Wastell and Philip Jacobson; Los Angeles Times, September 20, 2001, “Officials Told of ‘Major Assault’ Plans,” by Richard A. Serrano and John-Thor Dahlburg)

The Independent, a liberal daily in Great Britain, published an article asserting the US government “was warned repeatedly that a devastating attack on the United States was on its way.” The Independent cited an interview given by Osama bin Laden to a London-based Arabic-language newspaper, al-Quds al-Arabi, in late August. About the same time, tighter security measures were ordered at the World Trade Center, for unexplained reasons. (Source: Independent, September 17, 2001, “Bush did not heed several warnings of attack,” by Andrew Gumbel)

Despite this series of alerts, no US intelligence agency issued any warning of a possible attack on a target on US territory in the months leading up to September 11. The CIA and FBI had issued warnings about likely attacks on American military bases or embassies in the Middle East, Europe and Asia. On September 7 the US Department of State issued a worldwide alert about an impending attack by bin Laden followers, although it was focused on US-related targets in east Asia, especially Japan, not within the US itself. As the ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Richard Shelby, admitted, “This obviously was a failure of great dimension. We had no specific warning of the US being attacked.”

Moreover, the FBI’s decision to take no action on Zacarias Moussaoui must be considered in the light of this continuous stream of warnings from overseas. The US government was being repeatedly alerted to the danger of devastating attacks using hijacked commercial aircraft, yet the FBI decided to conduct no serious investigation into a man, believed by French intelligence to be linked to Osama bin Laden, who wanted to learn how to steer a 747 jumbo jet, but not to take off or land. Moussaoui was not even turned over to the FBI by the Immigration and Naturalization Service until after September 11."