The Bermuda Triangle has received intensive coverage and attention from the media world.ountless theories proposing how and why the triangle exerts such deadly power been aired.........

what is ur guys theories about the bermuda triangle

here some information about the triangle The Triangle

I think there has been way too much activity in such a concentrated area for there to be only one explanation. The most part of them could easily be just what they appear: Unskilled boaters/pilots, accidents, possibly pirate activity, or just plain exaggeration. But there are still enough cases that cannot be explained away like that. Flight 19 is one of my favorites, though it does take some rooting to cut out the "extras" that have been added over the years.

Aliens? Vortexes? Spirits of Atlantis? Ghosts of cursed ships? All are possibilities. To paraphrase a good friend of Solar Pons: "...whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

QUOTE (schadeaux @ Apr 21 2003, 07:57 PM)

.  To paraphrase a good friend of Solar Pons: "...whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

That reminds me of Achom's Razor.
(but it's been awhile since I've seen 'Contact')

Well the debunkers say that if you draw some triangles in other places around the oceans of the world, you'll get the same perceived effect.. in other words, it partly has to do with what naturally happens when you combine a lot of ships and the terrible reality of the great manswallower, the sea..

But apart from that, which I expect does have a lot to do with it, there are some really strange reports that come from that area and I think the mystery is far from solved. I don't hear of these effects arising in other places..

In 1975 Lawrence Kusche published 'The Bermuda Triangle Mystery - Solved'. He analysed shipping losses in the area from about 1800 onwards, as well as aircraft losses and found that many reported incidents never occurred or were explainable. Genuine losses in the Bermuda Triangle did not exceed statistics for similar ocean areas.

Examining US Navy reports of the 'Lost Patrol' incident, his findings can be summarised as follows:

- Of the 5 pilots, 4 were inexperienced airmen.
- The flight leader, Charles Taylor, was unfamiliar with the area.
- Neither of the reported radio transmissions from the patrol to Fort Lauderdale appeared to have been made. The actual transmissions indicated that Taylor's compass was malfuntioning and that he was thoroughly lost.

It would appear that the Avengers eventually ran out of fuel and crashed into the ocean somewhere.

The Mariner aircraft that supposedly disappeared as well most likely exploded shortly after taking off. Apparently this aircraft was notorious for these kind of accidents. (Can anyone confirm this?)

It could very well be that much of the Bermuda Triangle mystery is myth.

I think Sageghost has summed it up pretty well there, The facts are pretty damning to say the least, but, as they say..."Don't let the facts stand in the way of a good story".

Well said, T.O.

I've never let the facts stand in the way of my stories...

It's in an area and a part of the world where a parallel world and earth come close together. People from earth are attracted into that area and vice versa. At least one other area also exists and that is in the Japan Sea.

QUOTE (wlorac @ Apr 29 2003, 07:42 PM)

People from earth are attracted into that area and vice versa.

wlorac,
By saying 'vice versa', are saying that 'that area' is attracted into people from earth?

TheOracle,

Or as 'Chopper' would say "never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn!"

Dowdy,

wlorac said

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It's in an area and a part of the world where a parallel world and earth come close together. People from earth are attracted into that area and vice versa. At least one other area also exists and that is in the Japan Sea.

You speak with such authority but where is your evidence? As far as I know 'parallel worlds' are theoretical.

I had heard a theory that the area around the Bermuda triangle and other locations around the globe in a kind of ring pattern had certain magnetic anomalies, but it was conjecture and not proven.

Well Loonboy, you may have to take a seat in your Tiger chair for this one:

At present, the prevailing evidence indicates that we do indeed exist in a world with parallel "universes". This is the most satisfying theory for most physicists, and some recent experiments bear the theory out.

However, the parallel universes are all mostly the same, with tiny variations arising from differences in how quantum superpositions are resolved into the "one thing" we observe.

One of the consequences of the "many worlds" hypothesis is that quantum computing should work. So far, the trials indicate a positive here as well.

So what do you think about that? And think about this while you are thinking about it.. if this theory is correct, there are mulitple *copies* of you thinking about it, many coming to a different conclusion than you will!

My point in that last posting was to question where the evidence is to back up the statement that wlorac made.

Sidhe, all you have done is reiterate what wlorac alluded to. Please take a moment to explain where this 'prevailing evidence' and 'the trials' have taken place and who did them.

I agree that parallel universes are a possibility but as such are only theoretical. Where is the proof? Where is the evidence? Or are you going to answer a parallel posting to this one that does not include my request for more info?




Oh, by the way, I'll be in my tiger chair if you need me...

QUOTE (Loonboy @ May 2 2003, 09:38 AM)

Or are you going to answer a parallel posting to this one that does not include my request for more info? Oh, by the way, I'll be in my tiger chair if you need me...

Hilarious

Ok, here's a short list of places to look for relevant information, though none of these is *about* parallel universes, most of them mention "the many worlds hypothesis" and all of them are excellent books for understanding modern physics:

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Three Roads to Quantum Gravity, by Lee Smolin, Basic Books 2001 The Fabric of Reality, by David Deutsch,  Penguin Books 1997 The Whole Shebang, by Timothy Ferris, Touchstone 1997 The Elegant Universe, by Brian Greene, Norton 1999 The End of Time, by Julian Barbour, Oxford 2000

There are many others who write in the field of "popular science" and they are very good.. Paul Davies, for instance.

I wholeheartedly recommend, for anyone interested in the kinds of ideas that have arisin from the advent of postmodernism, the classic work:

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Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, by Douglas R. Hofstadter, Vintage Books 1979

And for a short but sweet treatment of the topic of "parallel universes" I've saved the best for last; the coverstory for the May issue of Scientific American:

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"Infinite Earths in Parallel Universes Really Exist," by Max Tegmark.

I hope that will prove more satisfying than my mere overgloss of the whole thing.

Humour a layman in the world of quantum physics for a moment.

So that is where some information is held regarding the theory of parallel universes but can you run through what's in those books as briefly as possible to explain what their evidence is?

I'm sure there are various theories regarding the whole subject and I'm sure the theories have been expounded in a few books, but what evidence is there to verify those theories. Until concrete evidence is uncovered, then they are still only theories. Yes?

Confused, in England.

I think you would be better served going over here:

SciAm article on Parellel Universes

This is an old theory, but is this theory experimentally testable?

More to the point, is this the reason behind the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle, as has been suggested? If so, where is the evidence that supports this?

Thankfully, I have not had any difficulties any time I have been through the Bermuda triangle.

I was wondering Homer , when I saw just how close it was to florida

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The simplest and most popular cosmological model today predicts that you have a twin in a galaxy about 10 to the 1028 meters from here. This distance is so large that it is beyond astronomical, but that does not make your doppelgänger any less real. The estimate is derived from elementary probability and does not even assume speculative modern physics, merely that space is infinite (or at least sufficiently large) in size and almost uniformly filled with matter, as observations indicate.

So this article is saying that parallel universes are thought to exist, but it does not offer any evidence - only speculation and more theory, which was my original point.

It's a theory but it's not proven.

Well don't let it bother you.. Call it bunk if you like! Just don't expect me to feel as if you've dented the theory with your doubts. It's making some serious headway in physics right now, and it's dern entertaining to boot.

So the only evidence is the size of the universe? Interesting.
But still, how does this relate to The Bermuda Triangle? Are you suggesting that The Bermuda Triangle is somehow a window to a parallel universe?

If you are not suggesting this, then why was it brought up in this thread? If you are suggesting this, then where is the evidence?

Where do you get the idea that the only evidence is the size of the universe? I had thought you said you were conversent in quantum mechanics..

Anyway, rereading the thread, it seems perfectly obvious why I posted what I did. I don't have to apply the facts to the case. There is no rule against making them available for others to use. wlorac said a thing and got the third degree, when perhaps he shouldn't have; at least, not where he did.

I've got to say I'm a little shocked at the way some ideas are taken in without much vetting, and others, which probably have *at least* as good a claim to reality, have such a hard time of it.

I suppose one can only be just *so* willing to embrace the unknown before it gets awfully tempting to caress the comfortable edges of our native beliefs.

I'm not out to give anyone the third degree on this, I merely want to establish what the facts of the matter are.

wlorac originally posted this:

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It's in an area and a part of the world where a parallel world and earth come close together. People from earth are attracted into that area and vice versa. At least one other area also exists and that is in the Japan Sea.

Now this was written as if it's a well known fact that a parallel world and earth are linked at this point - which is speculative, not factual. Also the point about another link existing in the Japan Sea is also made as if it were a factual point, but it is once again speculative.

Those were my points that I wanted to make. And I still stand by them.

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don't expect me to feel as if you've dented the theory with your doubts.

I was not attempting to dissuade you in your beliefs and I was not attempting to dismiss the possibility of parallel universes. I was endeavouring to establish what evidence there is for such theories and if any proveable facts have been established.

So far no evidence has been presented and I can only conclude that the theories remain just that: theories.
Take it how you like.

QUOTE (Sidhe @ May 5 2003, 12:12 PM)

Where do you get the idea that the only evidence is the size of the universe?  I had thought you said you were conversent in quantum mechanics..

Because that is the only evidence. Everything else, such as the probability theory, are all based on the size of the universe. The link you posted also specifically referred to this. Btw, I am familiar with quantum mechanics, which is why I post the way I do.

You, on the other hand, attack me(again) without even answering a single question(again). So I ask again about parallel universes, is this the reason behind the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle, as has been suggested? If so, where is the evidence that supports this? If not, then why was it brought up? This is the third time I ask this question in this same thread.

Your reply: "...it seems perfectly obvious why I posted what I did. I don't have to apply the facts to the case."
Indicates you are as clueless on this as you were in our last 'discussion'

This is how the Bermuda Triangle 'myth' started up:

At just after 2pm, on 5th December 1945, Flight 19 - made up of five US Navy Avenger torpedo bombers - flew off into the crisp, clear blue skies over Fort Lauderdale Naval Air Station in Florida, US. The patrol leader was a new face on the base, Lieutenant Charles C. Taylor, and this was the first step on a routine patrol over the Atlantic Ocean. Shortly before 4pm, Taylor radioed home with unfortunate news that his compass had failed and the patrol was lost out of sight of land. The control tower told him to fly due west - into the sun - until he reached land.

Being new to the area, Taylor failed to realize that he was actually almost exactly on course. Instead, he called the control tower again to tell them that he thought he was over the Florida Keys. Believing that Taylor had found his bearings, the controller told him to turn again and take his patrol north. And with that, the fate of the five pilots was sealed.

Even as they were turning, several of the airmen were convinced that all they had to do to reach home was follow their original instructions and head west, but their military training meant that they all stayed together and followed their commander.

   
A radio fix was made on the patrol at around 6pm, putting its position way out over the open waters of the Atlantic Ocean. Taylor, however, had become convinced that he was in the Gulf of Mexico, and turned east in the hope of reaching land. Flight 19, by now running rapidly out of fuel, was heading further out to sea.

Although the patrol had flown out of radio broadcast range, some of the radio conversation between the pilots was overheard. The control tower staff listened in hopeless despair as Lieutenant Taylor changed course yet again. By now the planes had barely enough fuel to stay in the air. A rescue plane was dispatched from the Air Sea Rescue Station at Banana River, calling in its departure report just before 7.30pm. It was due to call in again at 8.30pm. Nothing was heard.

The captain of a ship patrolling the area reported seeing an airborne explosion at 7.50pm. He said that the plane appeared to catch fire in the air, hit the water and explode. The following day, the US Navy carried out an extensive search of the area, but no debris, either from the patrol or the rescue plane, was ever found.

This story is often presented as a classic Bermuda Triangle 'mystery'. It is always emphasized that the weather was fine and the visibility unlimited when the planes disappeared. It was - over Fort Lauderdale. But over the Bahamas, the weather that night was bad, and the seas were rough. There's no such thing as a good night to crash an aeroplane into the ocean, but this was most definitely a bad night, a night when the sea would have torn any ditched aircraft to pieces before swallowing the remains.

Despite this, the story of the 'mysterious' disappearance of Flight 19 remained afloat because one officer made a chance remark to the board of inquiry. He said that the planes had 'vanished as completely as if they had flown to Mars'. In reality, the only mystery surrounding this tragic incident was why a relatively inexperienced officer was allowed to lead his men to their deaths.
Growing Mythology.   

Over the next five years there were many such 'mysterious' disappearances in the Atlantic region around Bermuda - all contributing to the growing mythology surrounding the area. In each case there was, in fact, a perfectly rational explanation for what had occurred.

In September 1950, however, Associated Press put out an article linking the disappearance of a freighter - the USS Sandra - with the loss of Lieutenant Taylor's patrol. The article mistakenly said that the Sandra had gone missing in June. Fate magazine picked up on the story and pointed out that the weather in the area had been calm throughout the month. In fact, the Sandra had actually gone missing in April, during a hurricane. Nevertheless, the modern myth of mysterious disappearances in the area around Bermuda had been born.

Thanx Althalus . I think that clears this whole thing up. Like I said in an earlier post "Don't let the facts stand in the way of a good story". All that anyone has to do is read the facts and there really isn't a story there at all.

I agree TO. Al you really set it out there nice and simple. It's
really a shame that it was due to human error, no mystery there.



(btw, TO, I really like your signature)

Thanks for the post Al, that clears it up.

Like TO said, though, it’s still a good story

Thank you KC

You're welcome TO. I wish everyone thought that way.

I heard somewhere that the Bermida Triangle was a time warp.

I love all of those theories.

I watched a Discovery Channel thing on it the other day and it showed that if you make a triangle in any other ocean in the world, the amount of stuff happening is about the same. It is just that people really take notice if it happens in that area.

CASTOR

QUOTE (Homer @ May 5 2003, 07:17 PM)

QUOTE (Sidhe @ May 5 2003, 12:12 PM) Where do you get the idea that the only evidence is the size of the universe?  I had thought you said you were conversent in quantum mechanics.. Because that is the only evidence. Everything else, such as the probability theory, are all based on the size of the universe. The link you posted also specifically referred to this. Btw, I am familiar with quantum mechanics, which is why I post the way I do. You, on the other hand, attack me(again) without even answering a single question(again). So I ask again about parallel universes, is this the reason behind the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle, as has been suggested? If so, where is the evidence that supports this? If not, then why was it brought up? This is the third time I ask this question in this same thread. Your reply: "...it seems perfectly obvious why I posted what I did. I don't have to apply the facts to the case." Indicates you are as clueless on this as you were in our last 'discussion'

Homer, where do you get the idea that I have attacked you? Rereading what I wrote, all I can see that you might think an attack is "I had thought you were conversant with QM." That is not a personal attack, though it is an "attack" on your credentials. Seeing what you wrote in reply to me, I happen to think I was probably on the money there.

I have actually answered each of your questions, Homer. I had answered them sufficiently before you even asked! The fact that you don't see it doesn't make it not so, you see?

I just took a three week break because you insulted me and my poor artistic sensibilities, and when I come back, I see, wow, you did it again!

But let me explain everything about my last post so you might get a clue that I am not exactly clueless..

Someone mentions parallel universes, and then there is a question whether these actually exist. I happen to know that there is a lot of evidence (apart from your erroneous assertion that "it is the only evidence..") and I share what I know. Then people want to bust on me as if I made it up. That's ok, maybe I did so far as anyone knows, so I show a lot of sources to back it up, including a magazine article in a respected science magazine. That's all I was doing, adding to that part of the debate: "yes, it is possible there are other dimensions" which is *totally* legit. I don't have to advance the argument that these alternate dimensions described by science have anything to do with the Bermuda Triangle. I'll leave that to whoever wants to.

Was that clueless?

I don't think so.

Here is a theorie that my friend told me about the BT, that he was contacted in a dream through a spirit...The bermuda triangle is a warp to a dimension called Artzechtia...Where all the people disappear to, and that all of the fabled creatures like bigfoot, yeti, and he loch ness monster all were scattered from the dimensions other side...their warp here. I am not sure if it's true or not, but it sounded kinda good to me...hope that helps you out.

The Bermuda Triangle's somewhat flexible borders encompass the most heavily traveled airway and waterway near the United States territory. Considering how many hundreds of vessels that pass through there on a regular basis without as much as a hiccup in their compass, the amount of lost ships and planes is actually on the low side of accidental losses.

This--bz--is--workmonkey---bzzz---posting--from--a---parrallel--Bzzz-universe--

--This--thread---Bzz--wzzz--is---Stupid.

End.

The first post asked for everyone's personal theories not scientist's

Just to add the confussion....

http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/myths...hs___facts.html

.. but a Psychic Penguin doesn't

Doesn't what?

That 'warp' idea, dragonflamer, is good. I saw on tv where there are several spots like the Burmuda triangle, in the world, where ships and planes disappear. I think there is a spot in the Pacific. So, the Burmuda triangle isn't the only one.