Saru
Feb 25 2005, 04:26 PM
QUOTE(Graylady @ Feb 25 2005, 03:09 PM)
I have the video and hopefully next week I will upload it in here so that everyone can see it..

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Unfortunately hosting the video here would mean we'd be in violation of copyright, as we do not have permission to offer it to people for download.
Sorry about that.
EditI've merged this topic with the other topic started about the show, all posts made to there will now be part of this thread instead.
Walken
Feb 25 2005, 05:06 PM
Oh, clever. Crafty, some would say!
Surely you can show clips though? Just clips, I mean.
eckogangsta
Feb 25 2005, 07:48 PM
QUOTE(jeceris @ Feb 25 2005, 03:19 PM)
more evidence from the air force to
disprove roswell.
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Not really. Same old MOGUL Project reason. Already been proven wrong

The amount of debris reported at the crashsite by military personel would have been much more than operation MOGUL. Also- there wasn't a big probability that it could have been Project MOGUL anyway.
The government also said "the
bodies were dummies and not aliens
As you can see they are not saying bodies at the Roswell crashsite were false.
Did MOGUL carry bodies, human, animal or extraterrestrial?
NOPE.
Sorry, wasnt MOGUL. Get over it.
DanL
Feb 25 2005, 08:30 PM
I taped it but will run right over it the first time there is a good cartoon on! It's a total waste of tape space.
darkmoonlady
Feb 25 2005, 09:58 PM
I never thought I would see the day that Bryant Gumbel ends up doing a better job investigating UFOs than Peter Jennings. That Jennings thing was a total waste of time, I have gotten more info out of a TIME LIFE paranormal book than in that whole two hours. I did enjoy the physicist Michio Kaku. Other than that totally the same crap, and not even well done.
I was way more impressed with the SCI FI channels series of UFO sightings investigations with Bryant Gumbel. Far more was done in way of research, with extremely credible witnesses.
I can't believe I missed survivor to watch that ....
nightcat
Feb 25 2005, 11:44 PM
It sucked and is a total embarrasment in my opinion. If they can't say the whole truth then they shouldn't say anything at all. It was nothing but the same old crap that we've heard about mixed with a lot of little clever lies.
I think this editorial written by someone who has had much expeirience in the UFO field is a must read for anyone who feels the same way about the lousy program like I do.
http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=177Read it. I give it a double thumbs up
Athenian
Feb 26 2005, 02:17 AM
Why do they always show the Space Aliens as monsters in these propaganda shows?! You never see the abductees talking about pleasurable encounters with the Space Aliens, only traumatic and unpleasent encounters...
What is the government trying to pull?
What are they trrying to imprint into peoples minds?
gl2
Feb 26 2005, 03:57 AM
Jennings' show was just a teaser, a strong 30 minute start, then it fell flat with weak research about Roswell: no mention of high ranking military sources on Roswell (which could have been recapped in 15-20 seconds), no mention of an actual disk, just shards of balloons and a fake-seeming strip of symbols (why would the USAF put strange symbols on a balloon?). The worst part was putting only Budd Hopkins up as an abductions theorist, coupled with an ambitious blonde-haired young Harvard psychologist who explained that, in her analysis, it is all nightmares and rapid eye movement moments of waking, confused. NO MENTION OF JOHN MACK, to counter the woman, at all (pathetic).
No mention of CSETI, Corso, and NO FEATURING OF JAIME MAUSSAN'S MEXICAN METALLIC ORBS--DOZENS OF THEM IN FORMATION MOVING BEHIND CLOUDS FOR MINUTES. It was okay on the Phoenix lights and okay on Hynek. But what about Corso, Gordon Cooper and other astronauts, Steven Greer's briefing of Clinton and the UN Secretary General, plus the CIA chief Woolsey? No mention.
In short, we can see where Jennings' crew cut corners, maybe trying to save money, maybe playing to the narco-cabal crowd and a few dumb-struck cows out there in TV land. When you know these subjects and can quote them off of the top of your head, Jennings' quick take looks like a local TV crew putting together a fast, if not weak segement, stuffed with opposite sides of a few well-known controversies. Roswell as a "myth," nothing more.
So sad that, 60 years after Roswell, this show got a good start and could have been historic, but failed when it got to Roswell, then literally flagged therafter. Cable TV does a better job with actual documentaries, not corporate news jobs on a subject that is greater than epochal in significance---because of its vast, multi-historic and enormous social, population implications, the subject is multiply more than epochal. Jennings reduced much of it to trivia. He probably thinks he cracked the regime ice, just a little, so that people at least got ideas, certainly about the Phoenix lights. But, in the end, the old top three networks no longer establish the mindset, here.
The irony in all of this is that nearly 100 million US citizens know the truth. We were watching the show to see how the propaganda goes, not to see new facts. Score one for mediocrity. Pass me the Air Bud movie and get me some potato chips, yowzuh!
Loaded_Revolver
Feb 26 2005, 04:30 AM
I said it was gonna be a white wash, and it was.
Especially parts where Jennings hammered home that Roswell was a myth, and when he said the military doesn't investigate UFO's... If it was really about exposing something, Jennings would have at least showed evidence that the military IS still in the business of investigating UFO's and just denies doing so.
jeceris
Feb 26 2005, 05:21 AM
QUOTE(eckogangsta @ Feb 25 2005, 07:48 PM)
QUOTE(jeceris @ Feb 25 2005, 03:19 PM)
more evidence from the air force to
disprove roswell.
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Not really. Same old MOGUL Project reason. Already been proven wrong

The amount of debris reported at the crashsite by military personel would have been much more than operation MOGUL. Also- there wasn't a big probability that it could have been Project MOGUL anyway.
The government also said "the
bodies were dummies and not aliens
As you can see they are not saying bodies at the Roswell crashsite were false.
Did MOGUL carry bodies, human, animal or extraterrestrial?
NOPE.
Sorry, wasnt MOGUL. Get over it.

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exactly. that's what i meant. the air force and their new elaborate expanation for roswell, the 500 ft balloon array to detect russian missile experimants. it's crap.
but it's updated, to make things fit.
what was the point of this special. on prime time. i'm not sure i get it, are the big networks trying to desensitize us for when they finally introduce the aliens on primetime. (french keyboard at home i can't find the question mark)
this was a piece of crap and those of you in europe and australia didn't miss a thing.
vulturetotem
Feb 26 2005, 03:46 PM
excellent observations people!!!
notice how they left out all the people
from roswell who's lives were threatened??
question: do you think the show was
censored?? (we're they told what could
and what could not be aired?)or were
they merely trying to inform or inundate
total novices by getting their foot in the
door with prime time, major network
rehash?
shannon2
Feb 26 2005, 05:18 PM
mr. Jennings was not so clever, and dragged the show out too long. I love UFO shows, but his was weak and just used the stuff from other peoples already done research.
He did leave out the cotinuing differing stories re: Roswell from the government over the decades (si, inclusing the "oh, yes, people saw bodies....uh, but those were crash dummies") only showing the most recent "mogul" attempt, conveniently pre-designed to fit the evidence....sans dummies, though....i guess they figure we fit that part.
I also know the paper the officer is holding (the guy showing his "weather Ballon" fragments )has been computer enhanced to show it's contents ordering him to debunk, and mentioning a craft and bodies. Also, if the alleged "mogul" weather balloon had the same security clearance as the atom bomb, why would this man be showing it to the media....who on earth would authorize THAT? It was just a pile of aluminum crap, hastily assembled.
The "mogul" story, too, is just a pile of crap. Hastily assembled.
Remember, sr. jennings, a journalist needs "who, what, when, where and why" to have a good story.
eckogangsta
Feb 26 2005, 10:50 PM
its not only a peice of crap it has been mathametically proven that it was virtually impossible for it to be project MOGUL.
the government= jus got pwnt.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Feb 26 2005, 10:51 PM
Doesn't mean it is aliens either.
eckogangsta
Feb 26 2005, 11:39 PM
Any other explanation?
et's daddy
Feb 27 2005, 12:12 AM
i agree the show was 90% crap.
though i was very impressed with the scientist at the end about the wormholes
unless of course by doing that he shot his career on a rocket through a wormhole into the crapper
Saru
Feb 27 2005, 12:27 PM
For those who missed the show, you can buy a copy on DVD or VHS from the online store at ABC News -
Click Here
Loaded_Revolver
Feb 27 2005, 02:01 PM
QUOTE(SaRuMaN @ Feb 27 2005, 07:27 AM)
For those who missed the show, you can buy a copy on DVD or VHS from the online store at ABC News -
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Personally, I have been seeing far more revealing UFO shows on History Channel, lately. Wouldn't waste my money on it, it was nothing more than a recap of already known UFO stories, and a poor recap at that.
The show Strange Universe did a far better job on the Phoenix Lights in a 5 minute segment than this show did in 10 to 15 minutes... The show didn't even offer a side by side comparison between a video of flares being dropped and the lights, the "Expert" said they were flares, he's seen them before, he's dropped them himself, and that was all there was too it, yet I've seen a video of flares being dropped and the Phoenix Lights look nothing at all like them... The flare light is red and orange, the Phoenix Lights were white, and the flares don't line up perfectly like that... The military also said they had no air activity going on when called about it, and in fact scrambled fighters to intercept, which of course they deny but several residents near the base heard fighters being scrambled at the time of the calls and the lights were there... Why would they scramble fighters to intercept one of their own planes dropping flares that they claim wasn't even in the air to begin with? You mean to tell me Peter Jennings, one of the biggest names in news, didn't think to raise that question? Of course he didn't, because he had nothing to do with the show! I guarantee they put his name on it, and put him in front of the camera, but had no knowledge of what was gonna be talked about until he read it off the teleprompter.
Babs
Feb 28 2005, 05:01 PM
An interesting article talking about the show by the senior editor of
Phenomena magazine.
hereI disagree with this guy....the 'Arizona lights' couldn't have been airplanes, unless airplanes can stay in one spot for minutes or hours at a time.
Babs
Feb 28 2005, 05:10 PM
Yes, I agree with the person who said we were lucky to have it on prime time. That is very important ...hope Jennings does another show. A lot of it was re-hash, but as I said, it's good it's in the mainstream now.
gl2
Feb 28 2005, 09:21 PM
Budd Hopkins says the Harvard psych grad student got it wrong. 30 percent of abductees' reports about an abduction are taken outside of hypnosis, and many interviewees were abducted from outdoor, daylight activities. Hopkins says all his abductee-interviews during his first two years research reported that they were abducted while wide awake.
Uri Dowbenko (Conspiracy Planet) argues that Jennings is a Bildergerg shill. "The Bilderberg Group is an invitation-only secretive Global Cabal of Illuminati Gofers, Politician-Minions and Mega-Corporate Honchos who are sworn to secrecy not to reveal the conspiracy which binds them all. Their US based Media Shills include --
* Mort Zuckerman, chairman US News and World Report
* Arthur Sulzberger, editor New York Times
* Conrad Black, chairman, The Telegraph
* Lesley Stahl, CBS 60 Minutes
* George Will, James Reston, Joseph Kraft, political columnists
* William F. Buckley, National Review (also a Skull and Bones member, as is his son novelist Christopher Buckley)
* Thomas L. Friedman, New York Times columnist
* William Kristol, editor/ publisher Weekly Standard
* Peter Jennings, ABC World Tonight
* Jim Hoagland, Washington Post
* George Stephanopoulos, media pundit"
Sure, Jennings' production company PJ slightly opened the subject to further scrutiny (those millions watching may lead to other millions), but Whitley Strieber suggests that Jennings did weak work on Roswell and abductions by choice, not solely due to weak research. Bilderberg looks for rich, pliant media elitists who make friends with and invest in elite corporate projects. Such people are rewarded for keeping with the game plan: money, rich friends, invitations to elite yacht parties and to hob with billionaires, plus the royals. Heady stuff, isn't it? No wonder they look down on commoners who want disclosure. Bilderberg wants slow, controlled, market-dominated adjustment to the alien subject.
Which is why Jennings has that tight faced, chiding quality when dismissing Roswell and abductions. No competent newsperson in the swim at Jennings' level can live without being included in private chatter and networking that points toward the alien subject. He likely knows that both Roswell and abductions are valid subjects, but is taking the military industrial side in this argument: electrogravity could be used for weapons, so let the elite weapons makers monopolize it first, fixing an aristocratic economic dictatorhip into power--forever, "they" seem to think. Aliens are all equalitarian, aren't they? None of those Bilderbergers are, NONE of them.
Worse yet, there's literally a Frankenstein in our midst, here on Earth, and some of it has direct federation loyalties. That would be people who have supported death squads, the laundering of narco money and the brutalization of humankind to bring us, on our knees, into the federation. Like The Allies of Humanity (a book) suggests, such operatives are lacking vital human qualities. If Jennings is only half awake, he may, by now, know this, hence he has to cover his flank by watering down his report. He can't make the biggest move in human news history alone.
The ugliest irony in Jennings cool regime tilt is that it allows abductions to continue, as though they are petty, like street crime. Meanwhile, a tightly planned abducting alien agenda proceeds, apace. The breeding program reportedly has led to deep insertion of hybrids into human economic elites, people who may go unnoticed for yet another 18-36 months, due to Jennings' cake walk. Maybe that's the plan... (not necessarily Jennings', but that of the Rothschild strain in human-alien relations, for example).
Then again, maybe Jennings just isn't strong enough to do a clean take, a minor outsider with a mini fortune--lucky to even get unreported, "off the record" info about aliens, an actual witness to private details (i.e. the discussions at Bilderberger in '04). Jennings was just another upper-middle class upstart--who knows that he has no real power. The moment he steps off the range, he's out of a job at ABC. Which may be why he did a good intro hour, then dumped the Roswell and abductions disinfo into our laps with a vaguely token quality. The first hour's clips and Phoenix lights are starkly better stuff than is the second hour. Maybe that's Jennings' plan: do the regime's dirty work, i.e. the Oswald as lone gunman report, but then buy back his soul with an even bigger story: aliens are here, BUT... *Jennings was raised in Canada. He may think that the US regime might frown on a newly-naturalized person breaking the big story. What if they think he's a Canadian spy? (weird as that may sound to those of the non-paranoid persuasion) Those who witness the piggishness, the murders that take place within the princes' castles aren't always adherents. Sometimes they secretly feel that it is deeply wrong, that change is necessary.
Anyone who saw the first half wouldn't dismiss the possibility of Roswell and abductions easily. So, maybe Jennings' plan was to continue ABC's higher than normal standard (ABC actually discussed CSETI's 2001 press conference on its web site and sent cameras there, unlike NBC and CBS). ABC also did reasonable Nightline specials on the JFK assassination, which Jennings may think cancel out his regime-like apology more recently.
Maybe it's a little give and take. Meanwhile, watch your children carefully and check them for unusual "dreams" about riding with aliens.
*So, who are those elite actors who work as "direct federation operatives?" Get up to speed on remote viewing and "look" for unusual, high-energy (electrogravity) streaming to any such personnae. Remotely view an entire city, the entire globe to scan such out. It's easier than you might think. Just find a known alien-related site or craft and practice remotely viewing/scanning it for energy streaming of the sort. You can learn to do so quickly. It stands out starkly!
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